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spk02: Thank you for standing by and welcome to the third quarter 2022 Investor Relations Conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode into the question and answer session. At that time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I'd like to turn today's meeting over to your host, VP of Investor Relations, Mr. Whit Kincaid. Thank you. You may begin.
spk07: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Mueller Water Products' third quarter 2022 conference call. We issued our press release reporting results of operations for the quarter ended June 3, 2022, yesterday afternoon. A copy of the press release is available on our website, MuellerWaterProducts.com. Scott Hall, our President and CEO, and Marty Zakis, our CFO, will be discussing our third quarter results and our current outlook for 2022. This morning's call is being recorded and webcast live on the internet. We have also posted slides on our website to accompany today's discussion and to address forward-looking statements and our non-GAAP disclosure requirements. As a reminder, we have changed our management structure and segment reporting effective October 1st, 2021. We filed an 8 in January that provided the recap of historical quarterly results for 2020 and 2021. At this time, please refer to slide two. This slide identifies non-GAAP financial measures referenced in our press release, on our slides, and on this call. It discloses the reasons why we believe that these measures provide useful information to investors. Reconciliations between non-GAAP and GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental information within our press release and on our website. Slide three addresses forward-looking statements made on this call. This slide includes cautionary information identifying important factors that could cause actual results that differ materially from those included in forward-looking statements. Please review Slides 2 and 3 in their entirety. During this call, all references to a specific year or quarter, unless specified otherwise, refer to our fiscal year, which ends on the 30th of September. A replay of this morning's call will be available for 30 days at 1-800-834-7000. The archived webcast and corresponding slides will be available for at least 90 days on the Investor Relations section of our website. I'll now turn the call over to Scott. Thanks, Whit.
spk08: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. This quarter we delivered record net sales with both water management solutions and water flow solutions contributing to the growth in the quarter. We generated double-digit net sales growth in iron gate valves, specialty valves, and repair and installation products. Order levels remained healthy again this quarter, driven by end-market activity, and we ended the quarter with a record backlog. As expected, the growth in the quarter came primarily from the continued improvement in price realization across most of our product lines. We are benefiting from the multiple price actions taken over the past year and we're pleased with the sequential increase in the third quarter. While the improved price realization led to a sequential improvement in our adjusted EBITDA conversion margin, our third quarter margin was below the expectations discussed on our last earnings call. We faced many of the same operational headwinds we experienced in our second quarter, including ongoing supply chain disruptions, inflationary pressures, and manufacturing performance. Our teams are focused on improving production levels and operational performance as we manage healthy demand and record backlog. We expect continued benefits from improved price realization in the fourth quarter, and we'll continue to execute initiatives to manage the operational headwinds, which I will discuss later in the call. I'll now turn the call over to Marty to review our third quarter financial results.
spk00: Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. I will start with our third quarter 2022 consolidated GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. After that, I will review our segment performance and discuss our cash flow and liquidity. Our third quarter consolidated net sales increased 7.3% to $333.2 million compared to the prior year, with growth in both water flow solutions and water management solutions. For both segments, higher pricing across most of our product lines was partially offset by lower overall volumes. Gross profit this quarter decreased 6.7% to $98.3 million compared with the prior year. Gross margin decreased 440 basis points to 29.5% compared with the prior year as the benefits from higher pricing were more than offset by higher costs associated with unfavorable manufacturing performance, inflation, and warranty obligations. We increased our warranty accrual based on our historical warranty experience and costs, resulting in a $4.5 million charge. Excluding this charge, the gross margin was 30.9%, which sequentially improved 100 basis points compared with our second quarter gross margin as we improved our price realization. Selling, general, and administrative expenses of $60.8 million in the quarter increased 3.4% compared with the prior year. The increase, which was primarily driven by inflation in investments and personnel, T&E, trade show activity, and professional fees, was partially offset by foreign exchange gains. SG&A, as a percent of net sales, improved to 18.2% in the quarter as compared to 18.9% in the prior year quarter due to the leverage from higher sales. Operating income of $36.9 million decreased 13.6% in the quarter compared with $42.7 million in the prior year. Operating income includes the $4.5 million warranty charge as well as the strategic reorganization and other charges of $600,000, which primarily relate to the previously announced plant closures. Turning now to our consolidated non-GAAP results. Adjusted operating income of $42 million decreased 9.9% compared with $46.6 million in the prior year. The benefits from higher pricing were more than offset by higher costs associated with unfavorable manufacturing performance, inflation, and SG&A expenses. Adjusted EBITDA of $57.8 million decreased 7.7% in the quarter, leading to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.3% compared with 20.2% in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved sequentially by 100 basis points compared with 16.3% in the second quarter. For the last 12 months, adjusted EBITDA was $201.5 million, or 16.6% of net sales. Net interest expense for the quarter declined to $4.2 million compared with $6.8 million in the prior year. The decrease in the quarter primarily resulted from lower interest expense associated with the refinancing of our 5.5% senior notes with 4% senior notes in May 2021. The effective tax rate this quarter was 21.1% as compared with 28% during the third quarter of last year, primarily due to benefits from R&D tax credits. For the full year, We now anticipate our effective tax rate will be between 22% and 24%. We increased adjusted net income per diluted share 5.6% to $0.19 in the quarter, compared with $0.18 in the prior year. Moving on to segment performance, starting with water flow solutions, which consists of iron gate valves, specialty valves, and service brass products. Net sales of $195.9 million increased 10.7% compared with the prior year, primarily due to higher pricing across most of the segment's product lines. Iron gate valves and specialty valves experienced double-digit net sales growth compared to the prior year. Volumes decreased compared with the prior year as sales of service brass products were impacted by manufacturing inefficiencies. Adjusted operating income of $38.1 million decreased 5.2% as higher pricing was more than offset by higher costs associated with unfavorable manufacturing performance, inflation, and SG&A expenses. Adjusted EBITDA of $45.7 million decreased 5%, leading to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23.3% compared with 27.2% last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was flat compared with the second quarter. Turning now to water management solutions, which consists of fire hydrants, repair and installation, natural gas, metering, leak detection, pressure control, and software products. Net sales of $137.3 million increased 2.8% compared with the prior year, primarily due to higher pricing across most of the segment's product lines and the addition of I2O. Repair and installation products experienced double-digit net sales growth compared to the prior year. Volumes decreased compared with the prior year as sales of hydrants, meters, and control valves were impacted by manufacturing inefficiencies and the ongoing supply chain disruptions. Adjusted operating income of $16.5 million decreased 22.5% in the quarter as higher pricing was more than offset by higher costs associated with unfavorable manufacturing performance inflation, and SG&A expenses. Adjusted EBITDA of $23.7 million decreased 16.8% in the quarter, leading to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.3% compared with 21.3% last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved sequentially by 220 basis points compared with 15.1% in the second quarter. Moving on to cash flows. Net cash provided by operating activities for the nine-month period was $20.5 million compared with $123.3 million in the prior year. The decrease was primarily driven by higher inventory and payments for other current liabilities, including customer rebates, income taxes, and employee incentives. Average net working capital using the five-point method as a percent of net sales increased to 26.7%, compared with 25.9% in the third quarter of last year, primarily due to the increase in inventories and receivables. Inventories of $250.9 million at the end of the third quarter were $21.7 million higher than the end of the second quarter and $66.2 million higher than the end of fiscal 2021. For the nine-month period, we have invested $36.7 million in capital expenditures compared with $46.1 million spent in the same period in the prior year. Free cash flow for the nine-month period was negative $16.2 million compared with $77.2 million in the prior year, primarily due to the decrease in cash provided by operating activities, partially offset by lower capital expenditures. For the full year, we anticipate that free cash flow will be positive. Additionally, during the quarter, We repurchased $5 million in common stock and have $110 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization. As of June 30th, 2022, we had total debt outstanding of $447 million and total cash of $154.9 million. At the end of the third quarter, our net debt leverage ratio was 1.4 times. We did not have any borrowings under our ABL agreement at the end of the quarter, nor did we borrow any amount under our ABL during the quarter. Our 4% senior notes have no financial maintenance covenant, and our ABL agreement is not subject to any financial maintenance covenant unless we exceed the minimum availability threshold. Based on June 30, 2022 data, we had approximately $160.7 million of excess availability under the ABL agreement, which brings our total liquidity to $315.6 million. We currently have no debt maturities before June 2029 and continue to maintain a strong, flexible balance sheet with ample liquidity and capacity to support our capital allocation priorities. Scott, back to you.
spk08: Thanks, Marty. I'll discuss our third quarter performance and markets and updated expectations for this year. After that, we'll open the call up for questions. In our third quarter, we faced a variety of the same operational challenges that impacted our conversion margins in the second quarter. These included inflationary pressures, higher costs associated with the ongoing supply chain disruption, and manufacturing inefficiencies. Inflationary pressures continue to be challenging, especially in relation to materials, freight, energy, and labor. Obtaining raw materials and purchased parts remains a top priority for our teams as they work to meet production schedules while dealing with long lead times and price premiums. Challenges in the scrap steel market have caused us to shift to a more expensive mix of steel and iron in order to get timely materials. This phenomena is playing out in many of our purchased parts, where we continue to see long lead times. While we believe a decrease in commodity prices will eventually lower our raw material costs, We expect the benefits will take longer than usual to impact our conversion margins. Due to the magnitude and breadth of inflation in this economic environment, we anticipate higher costs will continue into 2023. Unfavorable manufacturing performance at our foundries was the primary reason for the lower than expected conversion margin in the quarter. Our Chattanooga and Auburnville foundries, which purchased energy from the Tennessee Valley Authority, were both impacted by emergency load curtailments. These actions impacted melt capacity, which lowered production volumes for hydrants and iron gate valves. Machine downtimes at our brass foundry in Decatur significantly impacted melt capacity in June. This downtime decreased shipments for service brass products and led to water flow solutions year-over-year decline in volumes. We did experience healthy order activity during the quarter and ended the third quarter with a record backlog for service brass products. While we would typically be able to get the machines back in service in less than a week, the supply chain disruptions continue to extend lead times for critical replacement parts. To help address the backlog and improve lead times, we have increased our use of third-party maintenance personnel and outsourced it to achieve higher production levels. Our teams also remain focused on completing our new brass foundry, which will eventually replace the existing foundry. replacing the century-old plant with our new state-of-the-art facility that we believe will provide many lasting benefits. The new facility, which will use a new lead-free brass alloy, will increase capacity for melting, machining, and assembly. It will expand product development capabilities. The facility will help achieve many of our sustainability goals because it will lower energy usage per pound, reduce waste, improve the product life cycle, and enhance safety. It will also provide cost savings relative to the current facility with enhanced productivity sourcing and product design capabilities. While we have made significant progress, the supply chain disruptions and labor availability challenges have pushed our construction completion date to the end of fiscal 2023, with the production part approval process extending into 2024. We continue to anticipate that the three large capital projects we have previously announced will account for a combined $30 billion annualized incremental gross profit when all are complete and at full run rate. With a record backlog and healthy demand, our teams are focused on maximizing production levels at our foundries. These actions include adding shifts, upgrading equipment, and investing in inventory, all to ensure that we have the materials, labor, and machines needed to increase production and improve delivery times. To support our efforts, we have proactively invested in our hourly production teams members by working with the unions prior to contract renewals. To help address the impact of inflation that workers are experiencing, we are implementing wage increases for union and non-union hourly production teams. While these labor investments will add near-term pressure to our margins, We believe our teams can deliver improvements in 2023, which will come from the continued price realization, more manageable inflation, and improved operational performance. Additionally, we continue to monitor the overall inflationary environment closely and will take price actions as needed to help offset the ongoing cost pressures from materials, labor, and supply chain disruptions. I will now briefly review our end markets and updated outlook for 2022. As mentioned earlier, order levels remained healthy during the quarter. We believe municipal repair and replacement end market activities remained very strong. Overall, the market continues to benefit from healthy budgets, especially at larger municipalities. As a reminder, we estimate that approximately two-thirds of our debt sales are related to repair and replacement activities of utilities providing resiliency for our business. The infrastructure bill, with $55 billion of new funds dedicated to water, wastewater, and stormwater infrastructure, represents the highest level of federal spending since the mid-1970s. While there appears to be a high level of interest in the infrastructure bill for municipalities, There is a process, mostly driven by the states, to access the money that has not been directly earmarked by the bill. We don't anticipate any benefit this year and believe benefits for next year could be limited due to ongoing supply chain constraints and labor availability challenges that could impact the timing of projects. We expect that beyond that time period, we should benefit from the infrastructure bill spending. For the new residential construction end market, specifically lot and land development activity, we believe that demand continued to be at healthy levels during the quarter. However, based on the most recent monthly housing start data and other data points, the increase in interest rates is contributing to slower new residential construction activity. We continue to anticipate that this will lead to lower levels of lot and land development activity. We expect activity will slow for the rest of the year relative to strong levels during the pandemic. Low inventory, demographics, and population shifts suggest that we could return to normalized activity that is above pre-pandemic levels. Due to strong municipal demand levels, we believe a lower level of new residential construction activity could help municipal repair and replacement activity given challenges with labor availability for construction. Moving on to our updated outlook for 2022. With one quarter remaining, we are pleased to be on track to deliver our second consecutive year of double-digit consolidated net sales growth. For the full year, we are narrowing our forecasted range for consolidated net sales growth to be between 11% and 12% as compared with the prior year. This forecast takes into account the current expectations for orders, price realization, and end market demands. We expect the benefit from improved price realization to continue in the fourth quarter, resulting from the multiple price increases we have already announced. We also anticipate that our conversion margin in the fourth quarter will be lower than previously anticipated, primarily due to the operational challenges previously discussed. As a result, we now expect adjusted EBITDA will be comparable to the prior year. Looking beyond 2022, we anticipate delivering better conversion margins with improved operational performance and higher price realization from pricing actions we have already taken. With the ongoing economic uncertainty, we will benefit from our strong, flexible balance sheet and our disciplined and balanced cash allocation strategies. We will continue to reinvest in our business as appropriate and return cash to shareholders through our quarterly dividend and share repurchases. We have repurchased $35 million of common stock over the last 12 months, including the $5 million repurchased in the third quarter. And we have $110 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization. In closing, water utilities face many challenges, including accelerating aging infrastructure, climate change, and unfavorable workforce demographics. We have a broad product portfolio primarily serving the drinking water network that is well positioned to benefit from a strong municipal demand environment. Our product development, operational, and commercial strategies are focused on capitalizing on key trends in water. These include the accelerating adoption of technology-enabled products and increased demand for products that qualify for the American Iron and Steel and Build America, Buy America requirements. The most important priorities for our teams are to execute our operational improvements and deliver the benefits from our ongoing capital investments. In conjunction with a favorable municipal end market and continued price realization, we expect to deliver sales and adjusted EBITDA growth in 2023 and beyond. And with that, operator, please open this call for questions.
spk02: Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then 1. Remember to unmute your phone and record your name clearly when prompted. If you'd like to withdraw that question, you may press star 2. The first question comes from Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.
spk01: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
spk02: Good morning.
spk01: Good morning. Given your record backlog in order of momentum, your fiscal 4Q growth seems pretty locked in barring major disruption. I assume the same goes for early 2023. and maybe offer a little more color on the puts and takes of market activity and demand drivers as we look forward for municipal repair and replace and resume construction, respectively.
spk08: I think the net price realization expected to improve sequentially, which is really the driver of growth in our Q4, we would expect. some more improvement as it relates to quarters in the future. The backlog at the record level at the end of Q3 I think is a bigger function of throughput at the plants that we had opportunity to ship more. To answer the question directly, I expect an improving environment from a volume performance. The backlog is there to support it. I believe that the mix of price will contribute to that growth in demand. And I think the biggest driver is that the community budgets remain extremely strong. And I think that the larger municipalities, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, Brian, have in front of them, you know, a pretty large menu of projects.
spk01: Yeah, understood. I guess to To level set a little more on the margin pressures that your team has faced in recent past, can you maybe isolate the impact of price versus material cost, then parse out the headwind from unfavorable manufacturing performance in Q3, compare that to the second quarter, and then walk us through how your team's thinking about these variables and the timeline to more normalized conversion margins going forward?
spk00: So overall, we did continue to see strong price realization this quarter, probably slightly improved sequentially from the second quarter and up close to double digits. That did more than cover inflationary expenses that we experienced this quarter. I think the real pressure there came from the unfavorable manufacturing performance that we saw, as well as the continued supply chain disruptions. Some of the challenges during the quarter, some of our foundries where we purchased energy from the Tennessee Valley Authority were impacted by some emergency load curtailments, and that impacted our melt capacity. But the main driver that we talked about was the machine downtime at our century-old brass foundry, which limited our pounds of production. And what that contributes to is we end up with sort of inefficient labor as well as overhead inefficiencies when the machines are down or materials aren't in place, et cetera. A lot of that impacted the shipments of our service brass products, and that was one of the key drivers of the year-over-year volume decline that we experienced. You know, I'd say looking out, we have got a number of initiatives to address the equipment failures. We have increased our use of third-party maintenance personnel, as well as we've engaged in outsourcing for certain products to help with the availability. Certainly longer term, once we get our new graph boundary coming online, we think that will help. Additionally, I would say as we look forward out into our 2023, I think as Scott talked about with what we've got from a backlog and outlook for the municipal segment, we think we've got opportunity as we look into 2023 for improving margins.
spk01: Okay. All help will come. Thanks again.
spk02: Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Dean Dre with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk06: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Dean. Hey, I'd like to continue that line of question, just trying to reconcile what came up in the third quarter, what was the tipping point in terms of saying you've got a lower EBITDA guidance as Supply chain kind of didn't change. It's still a big head when we get that. Same thing on inflation. And, Marty, just to clarify, it sounded like it was the manufacturing inefficiencies at the foundry was more of the tipping point that you were not going to make up that EBITDA shortfall to hit your guidance. Is that fair?
spk08: Yeah, I think that's fair, Dean, and I'll turn it to Marty. But I want everybody on the call to understand there's basically brass product in every product we make. So if you think about a gate valve, there's brass components in it. If you think about a hydrant, there's brass components in it. The brass foundry downtime, I think, was the tipping point for looking at the rest of the year. And certainly, you know, we're experiencing – downtime issues with auto pours and things like that as we speak. And so what does that force you to do? Once you have that supply problem, yes, the service brass sales is part of it, but it forces outsourcing of components for gate valves and for hydrants as well. And that was the biggest driver as we thought about providing insight for investors into what we think will happen in the fourth quarter that really made us reevaluate. And we're assuming in our fourth quarter that we will have some outsourced supply chain issues through the fourth quarter as we work through these equipment issues in the Decatur foundry.
spk06: So when you have the new foundry in place, how much of these operational manufacturing inefficiencies go away?
spk08: I would say all of them because the reality is that, you know, things like our form machines and cores and things like that, they're all made on equipment that's older than both you and I. So I think that there's opportunity. Yeah, there's opportunity for improvement. You know, we got to go tour the progress on the new foundry. Last month, I think it's going to be a step change improvement, both from a worker environment, a throughput capability, early warning detection systems, the availability of machine data for running machine learning, things like that. I think they're all really, really positive, and I'm excited to get it open. looking for ways to try to accelerate the PPAP process so that we can get there sooner. But we are facing the headwinds associated with contractor labor and facing the headwinds associated with the supply chain and getting all of the parts for the new foundry in.
spk06: All right. That part is really helpful, and thanks for that additional color. Just to clarify, on the cut in CapEx, what projects or initiatives are getting pushed?
spk00: You know, I'd say overall in terms of looking at the lower guidance on CapEx, I think some of what we have seen is just some project delays. Some of that is coming from supply chain disruptions. You know, a portion of the spending for the new Decatur Brass Foundry, we've got a portion of that pushed into our 2023. And I think additionally some of the delayed projects are – a result of the teams focusing on some of the operational challenges. So I think that's certainly one of the reasons. Additionally, if we continue to look at the various capital project opportunities, we have elected to deprioritize some of them going forward.
spk06: Okay. And then last one on the warranty charge. So what triggered it? Are there particular products? And I just want to get a sense of how broadly this covers the warranty experience that you've had.
spk00: Yeah, so with respect to the warranty charge, it relates to the sales of our metering products. And just as a reminder, that is part of our water management solutions segment. And what we do on an ongoing basis is we monitor and analyze our warranty obligations periodically and revise any accruals as necessary. We did increase our warranty accrual and that was primarily due to the historical warranty experience on certain products as well as some higher product replacement costs.
spk06: Has there been any noticeable claims experience is there is this the first of many or is this more routine just based upon uh whatever time period your uh accountants say that you're supposed to change that um that reserve yeah so what i would say is you know look the the warranty periods i would say generally within the industry tend to be very long you know we do review them regularly and uh
spk00: It's an estimate that we have based on the judgment with the best information we have available at the time. So as we get more information and experience, we'll evaluate and update the estimates and adjust as appropriate. And that was what we did this quarter.
spk06: Okay. Thank you.
spk02: Thank you. The next question comes from Joe Giordano with Cowan. Your line is open.
spk05: Hey guys, good morning. Good morning. So, just want to like think into next year. You know, the foundry gets pushed to, you know, end of 23, hard approval into 24 now. Like, what gets better, like from a, just from a margin for like a manufacturing productivity type setup? Like what gets, what is under your control to get better into 23 and what offsets that by delays in the push out of the project?
spk08: Yeah, I think that, you know, certainly notwithstanding the highly uncertain economic environment, given the interest rate rises and the supply chain disruptions, we, you know, we acknowledge and believe that, you know, the ongoing inflationary pressures offset by the monetary policy the Fed has taken could lead to a recession. But I think the biggest thing that we think about is that we are going to benefit from significant carryover price that's already locked in the backlog for actions we've already taken. We expect to end 2022 with very high backlog levels, especially for our short cycle products, which will help offset expected decreases in demand relating to the slowdown in the resin construction market. So we anticipate municipal repair and replacement market continue to benefit from the healthy budgets at municipal level. We expect to improve the adjusted EBITDA conversion margins as commodity prices remain below peak levels. Since we didn't implement any of the surcharges as part of our pricing action, we would not expect to have any raw material adjustments for the items that have already been ordered. And I also believe that we'll have improved manufacturing performance, which will contribute significantly to the year-over-year improvement. You know, certainly we're in the dog days of summer from an uptime perspective, but I do believe that, you know, these will improve as a result of the initiatives which Marty and I in the ELT review pretty much on a weekly basis to see what we're doing to make sure our throughputs get back to levels that they were at prior to this summer. We're mindful of the headwinds from ongoing inflationary pressures relating to higher wage rates, utilities, and freight. But as I said in my prepared comments, I expect that we will take the actions in a rational market that will offset those. And so that's the basis for, I guess, our bullishness for 43 from a margin improvement, conversion margin performance perspective.
spk05: And then just Thinking about the housing data that's come out on single families, it's not looking great. You referenced that. What kind of actions or plans are you drawing up internally to kind of adjust your business to a world where housing is potentially decently worse than it is now?
spk08: Yeah, I think in Q3, new residential construction and market, specifically lot and land development, uh activity continue continue to be at healthy levels um which is also reflected in our q3 order book so you know i understand that the permits pulled um data would indicate that but i think you know as i remind everybody you really have to look at lot inventories because we use housing startups as a surrogate but certainly it will follow in the future that that we could have lower levels um as expected i think the increase in interest rates It's leading to slower new residential construction activity. And in June, total housing starts declined slightly, to slightly less than, I believe, about 1.6 million pace, with single-family starts decreasing, but interestingly, multifamilies increasing. And so I think, you know, that there's still some underlying housing demand. Single family starts now running at a lower pace, but it's still higher than the pace in the decade before the pandemic. So, you know, if you were to convert, if you were to compare the average annual, we're still significantly above it. And I think the sharp rise in borrowing costs, clearly leading home builders to scale back production plans, will continue this downward trajectory. And so I anticipate that we'll see more a lag for us just as we were slow to get in once housing started. There will still be a lot of curb and sewer put in in the land lot development. And I believe that a lower level of new resi construction could help municipal repair and replacement activity. And, you know, let me spend a minute on that. Not long, but, you know, the home builders tend not to be the people to put in the curb and sewer. So they tend to be contractors, and they tend to be the exact same contractors that the municipalities contract to put in to do repair and replacement work. So a lot of the trenching and a lot of the repair work are the same people. And so, you know, given the squeeze on labor, we expect that those healthy beauty budgets will pick up some of that slack, and we remain bullish about that. And I think the biggest indicator is the healthy order activity we saw in the third quarter. And I think July orders were in line with our expectations. So I feel confident that while there will be some slowdown, the tailwinds we have from IIJA, the tailwinds we have from muni budgets will more than offset.
spk05: Thanks for all the color.
spk02: Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Walt Littek with Seaport. Your line is open.
spk03: Thanks. Good morning, guys. I wanted to ask about the outsourcing and some of the temporary workers. Are those, you know, can you give us an idea of the incremental cost from that and maybe the expectation for how long those costs will be in place?
spk08: Yeah, that's harder to parse out, you know, when we're looking at performance. You know, we look at, you know, what it would have cost us versus, you know, what the actual cost was. It kind of shows up in a couple of different places. But long story short, you know, manufacturing performance, you know, was the biggest reason for us. you know, our cost increases experienced in Q3. Part of that is machine uptime. Part of that is outsourcing. Part of that, frankly, is freight. And so it's hard to parse it. I'm not sure that it's something I would want to get into in the long run.
spk03: Okay. All right. That's fine. Let me ask it this way because, you know, it all comes down to gross margin. In the fourth quarter, what – and, you know, I'm sorry if you mentioned this already, but What gross margin should we be thinking about for the fourth quarter? And then how do you think the gross margin ramps as you maybe get on stronger footing with some of these manufacturing issues?
spk08: I think gross margin is going to be under pressure in Q4. I think that the reason we took it down, if you do the implied, adjustment to our fourth quarter EBITDA, you know, going from 7% to 10% down to flat. You can see that Q4 will be at or near the significant pressure that we've seen in Q3. And so, you know, might even have a little, you know, a couple of basis points of pressure. I think the other thing of note in our Q4 is that we will expect to have higher SG&A just based on the seasonal way, you know, our national sales meeting takes place and some of those other things that, you know, are significant expenses in our fourth quarter. And, you know, so I think if you were to take a little bit higher SG&A and then infer what would have to happen in the fourth quarter to be flat from a EBITDA perspective, you would determine that there's, you know, little or no improvement in gross margin in our Q4. I think the turning point comes in the first half of next year as we get more of these things put behind us as far as throughput, reliance on outsourcing, some of these free premiums we're paying today in order to get materials expedited. I would like to remind everybody that at the end of the day, we're in the business of satisfying customers and satisfying customers. build schedules for municipalities, and that is job one for us, is that we are going to do the things necessary to hang on to our share. We're going to do the things necessary in order for our customers to maintain and have a preference for newer water products. And sometimes that comes from the cost. Certainly in the third quarter, we expect that to kind of continue in the fourth quarter before improving.
spk03: Okay, great.
spk08: Thank you. That helps.
spk02: I think our next question comes from John Ramirez with DA Davidson. Your line is open.
spk04: Good morning. This is John speaking for Brent Tillman. How are you? Good, thank you. How are you? Good. So historically, MWA has had very defensive decisions and market share in your core products. Have some of the product challenges impacted that at all? presumably your competitors are facing the same issues. But I'm wondering if some share shift is still occurring as a result.
spk08: Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of share shift going on, either us being losing share or us gaining share. I think that there's a, you know, a sprint, if you will, going on to make sure that the projects that are scheduled to get worked on get worked on. I would say on hydrants, our lead times, are outside um our competitors and i would say our gate valves we're um inside um our competitors as far as lead times and so you know the uh the the reality is is that um the the material costs are a small piece and so i don't think there's a huge share shift going on i think that uh When you look at the municipalities that we are supplying under supply agreements and those in the spot market, it's the same cast of characters. I think that when you think about where we've been and where we are, it's been kind of a market that's kind of that, I don't know, 1,200, 1,300 valve a day kind of gate valve market that's significantly higher than that, over 2,000 valves a day today. I don't think that anybody has flexed much more than we have flexed. I feel good about where we are from a share shift perspective.
spk04: Just to follow up if I could, could you provide more color on how much the availability issue has worsened since the last quarter? I'm sorry if you already mentioned, but what strategies are being taken to secure those raw materials, you know, for following quarters as well as going into next year? Thank you. That's a great question.
spk08: So, look, I think that we've seen some softening in raw material prices, but peculiarly, we've also seen some availability challenges. So, normally, you know, you can't get shred or you can't get plate material. you know, there's pressure, upward pressure on the price, but we've actually seen it come down. As I've explained in some previous quarters, you know, when availability or the quality, you have too much shred, not enough plate, you know, we lose efficiencies in what our yield per flask are. And so we've had to substitute things like busheling, you know, at a high-cost premium into our recipe in order to keep yields up. And those costs are certainly in our near-term view to what Q4 looks like as we will continue to ensure that we get what we can get into the market from a finished goods perspective. And so I think that these recipe premiums that we're experiencing today, especially in the steel market, will continue. So your question then is, You know, how forward are you buying? We're basically buying as much as we are allowed to under the agreements we have with our supply base, people like Progress Rail and others. And the reality is that you can only buy forward in those markets right now about 21 to 30 days.
spk04: And just a quick follow-up. So you said 21 to 30 days. In a normal environment where you didn't have the availability issues, were these, you know, how much you were allowed to buy higher than that, or is this just the top?
spk08: I think that I understand what you're asking. I think you're thinking about it incorrectly. When we have one to two days of backlog on what we call our high-term materials, You know, there's a just-in-time mentality around the supply chain. As we take orders, we look at what the pounds required are, and then we go ahead and order those materials. And, you know, it's a daily ordering, daily shipment kind of even flow. But now that we're months away from, you know, basically backlog of what we call short-cycle materials, the need to buy forward increases, obviously. And so... You know, we're in an unusual time, and that's why we're trying to match our forward buy with the pounds we have in backlog so that we can lock in our margins. And, you know, when we get back to let's call it a more normal state, we would expect the supply chain to get back into ordering today for what we sold yesterday. And I want to make sure you understand that relates to steel, not brass. Brass is a different animal where you buy your ingot. 30 to 90 days in advance.
spk04: All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate the additional information you provided. Thank you.
spk08: Okay. There's no more questions. I'd like to thank you, operator. Thanks to everyone for joining today's call. While we're pleased with our net sales growth and price realization at this point in the year, we are disappointed with the lack of progress this quarter in addressing internal and external challenges, most importantly, the machine downtime issue we've discussed. I really want to say that we continue to be inspired by our team's dedication as they deal with an unprecedented external environment while also executing initiatives to transform our manufacturing capabilities and service our customers. We are well positioned to improve margins in 2023 as we continue to get price in the market, address operational challenges, execute our capital projects, and increase production volumes. We're sealing healthy orders and have a record backlog for our shorter cycle products. Finally, we're excited about the tailwinds for the water infrastructure and markets and our ability to help municipalities address their accelerating challenges. So I'd like to thank you all for your continued interest. And with that, operator, please conclude the call.
spk02: Thank you. And that concludes today's conference. You may all disconnect at this time.
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