Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd.

Q4 2023 Earnings Conference Call

2/27/2024

spk10: But as you can see on slide five, consumer demand was quick to rebound in full, and we were pleased to return to full ships and full year profitability. It is so incredibly rewarding for our staff and crew to be able to operate full ships and deliver vacation experiences of a lifetime to our happy guests. While that in and of itself would have made for a spectacular 2023, we were further bowing by the introduction of three new world class ships into our fleet, one for each of our three award winning brands. This was an unprecedented achievement and a first in the 57 year history of our company. We welcomed Oceana Cruises Vista in May, Norwegian Diva in August, and most recently the highly anticipated Regent Seven Sea Grandeur in November. The successful launch of three vessels in one year would not have been possible without the hard work and unwavering commitment of crew and team members across the globe. Thanks to their dedication and passion for providing an unmatched guest experience, the reception for these new ships continues to be overwhelmingly positive across the board. This reception, combined with the strong demand environment we continue to experience across all three of our brands, has enabled us to successfully absorb an 18% increase in capacity in 2023 versus 2019 levels at record pricing levels. As a result, we have driven revenue per passenger cruise day of 17%, allowing us to finish the year with year end advance ticket sales of $3.2 billion, up an incredible 56% compared to 2019. At the same time, we continue to maximize onboard revenue generation as shown by gross onboard revenue per passenger cruise day, which is up 27% over 2019. A main driver of this large improvement is through enhanced pre-sold onboard revenue so our guests come onboard with a fresh wallet. But none of this is new news, as we have been and continue to be the industry leader in net yields. We are proud of the work our teams do day in and day out to drive the highest yields in the industry. But today, I also want to emphasize that we are equally passionate about the plus side of the business. Our relentless focus on cost optimization has produced four sequential quarters of year over year adjusted net cruise cost per capacity day reduction, with full year 2023 coming in 21% lower than the prior year. We achieve this by focusing our efforts on optimizing spend and investments across all areas of the business, from fuel to food and consumables and marketing. We are committed to continuing to optimize our margins by balancing product, revenue and cost considerations through better leveraging data and analytics to drive decision making and accountability. The net results of these healthy revenue and cost metrics allowed us to get back to driving as we generated $1.9 billion in adjusted EBITDA in 2023, allowing us to generate the adjusted free cash flow to further strengthen our balance sheet with the repayment of nearly $2 billion in debt. On the product front, we are strategically enhancing the guest experience by identifying smart, ROI driven investments and decisions to profitably maximize guest satisfaction. Our recent success has been the rollout of Starlink high speed internet. We moved quickly and have been able to roll out this cutting edge technology across half of our fleet since the spring of 2023 and expect to finish the full fleet by year end this year. In addition to significantly elevating the guest experience aboard our ships, we have been focusing on improving the pre-cruise guest experience and better leveraging digital tools across all three of our brands. For example, we have been making improvements to our pre-cruise planning functionality at Norwegian to allow guests to book even more before they leave their homes and we rolled out a flexible air program at Oceana sharing an innovation which began at Norwegian earlier in the year. This innovation gives guests a few day window to deviate their air at the beginning and end of their cruise so they can have more time to explore and enjoy destinations before and after they sail with us while at the same time allowing us to spread air demand over multiple days and save costs. A true win-win for us and our guests. On the digital side, we recently launched the Regent onboard mobile app on 7C's Grandeur and we continue to see strong adoption of the NCL mobile app which reached record high in the last year. These improvements are not only resonating with our guests, giving them a better and more frictionless experience before, during and after their cruise but are also generating positive returns. Finally, we announced important interim sustainability commitments, announcing our target to reduce greenhouse gas intensity on a -a-day basis by 10% by 2026 and by 25% by 2030 versus 2019 levels. The company is truly firing on all cylinders. These solid operational and financial results have laid the foundation for a strong 2024 and positioned us to deliver sustained profitable growth in the future and incredible vacation experiences to the millions of guests who sail with us every year. In addition to these priorities, a key cornerstone of our long-term strategy is delivering measured capacity growth and optimizing our fleet to drive strong financial results. Our new-build pipeline of five ships, which you can see on slide 7, represents a capacity growth of 28% from 2023 to 2028 with a 5% haggard over the period. Historically, capacity growth has led to outsized revenue and EBITDA growth, and we expect this capacity growth to be no different and deliver meaningful top and bottom line growth. We believe that these measured capacity additions will enable us to further enhance our long-term profitability and continue to significantly strengthen our balance sheet while providing guests new and innovative experiences. Shifting our discussion to the current booking environment, shown on slide 8, we continue to experience strong and resilient customer demand across all three of our brands. The strong momentum we saw in 2023 has continued into 2024 with an all-time high book position and pricing, buoyed by strong wave season demand. This has led to some of the best booking weeks in the company history, which began with successful Black Friday and Cyber Monday promotions. In general, we continue to see healthy demand across all markets, brands, and products. Let me walk you through some recent trends. First, close in demand for Caribbean sailing is particularly strong, prompting the redeployment of Norwegian Epic and Norwegian Getaway from offering shoulder-season fall 2024 voyages in the Med to offering Caribbean sailings from Port Canaveral and New Orleans respectively, beginning in October. As a result, our Caribbean capacity for the NCL brand is expected to increase by approximately 300 basis points in 2024 versus the prior year. Our industry's advantage lies in our ability to redeploy our ships and adapt to changes in consumer demand and preferences. These changes demonstrate our team's responsiveness to our guests' preferences. We have also seen demand return for sailings in Hawaii. While only accounting for approximately 4% of capacity in this period, these sailings are performing exceptionally well in 2024. Next, our Norwegian Cruise Line brand continues to see exceptionally strong demand, and our for all four quarters of 2024. Oceania region also continues to see strong demand across all geographies, with the exception of redeployed voyages due to cancellations in the Middle East and Red Sea. Turning to the Middle East, last quarter we made the preemptive decision to cancel all calls to Israel in 2024, and recently we have announced the rerouting of our cruises sailing through the Red Sea for the rest of the year. As a reminder, just 1% and 4% of our capacity in Q1 and full year 2024 respectively was expected to visit the broader Middle East region. However, the Middle East represents a larger percentage of our capacity for our Oceania and region brands, making up 12% and 8% respectively. We now have no calls in the region in 2024, and all replacement cruises have been or are in the process of being put on sale. Overall, we are encouraged by the strengths in our book position for 2024, which remains at all time highs with commensurate higher pricing. As a result, 2024 is shaping up to be a solid year. We expect healthy full year net yield growth of approximately .4% this year on a constant currency basis, driven primarily by improved occupancy and pricing strength. Onboard revenue continues to be a bright spot, with strengths seen across the board an encouraging indicator that our target consumer remains healthy and resilient. We are continuing to see strong demand for pre-cruise purchases, which typically result in higher overall spend throughout a guest's cruise journey. And while we have talked about our strong cost focus during 2023, we want to emphasize that this was not just a one year exercise for our team. Rather, it is a cultural shift in the
spk09: way our entire company looks at costs to ensure that our customers experience what our guests truly value.
spk10: This company-wide focus should allow us to not only continue to reduce costs, but even more importantly, create operating leverage to enhance profitability, which will be foundational for our long-term success. Our recently established Transformation Office is allowing us to monitor and track these changes, holding each area accountable for their initiatives. We believe this is apparent in our guidance, where we expect our core costs to be flat in 2024 versus 2023. In conclusion, our strong top-line growth combined with our continued focus on cost and margin enhancements are expected to drive 2024 adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS to grow by 18 and 76% respectively over last year. We are very excited about the future and we plan to discuss our multi-year targets with the investment community in Mid-Med. We look forward to meeting with you all then. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark to walk you through our financial results and outlook. Mark?
spk11: Thank you, Harry, and good morning everyone. My commentary today will focus on our fourth quarter 2023 financial results, 2024 guidance, and our financial position. Unless otherwise noted, my commentary on 2023 and 2024 net per diem, net yield, and adjusted net cruise costs excluding fuel per capacity day metrics are on a constant currency basis, and comparisons are to the same period in 2019 and 2023 respectively. Let's begin with our fourth quarter results which are highlighted on slide 11. Starting with the top line, results were strong with net per diem increasing approximately .5% and net yield increasing approximately 8.6%. As discussed last quarter, several factors contributed to the exceptionally strong growth we saw, including the favorable comp from the rapid exit of Cuba in 2019 as well as a very strong close in demand for Caribbean sailings. Looking at costs, adjusted net cruise costs excluding fuel per capacity day was in line with guidance at $151 in the quarter, marking our fourth consecutive quarter of improvement on this important metric. As expected, this included approximately $1 of certain non-recurring net benefits realized in the quarter. We have made significant progress streamlining our cost base during 2023, demonstrating our focus and commitment to our margin enhancement initiatives and expect to continue this focus in 2024 and beyond. Adjusted EBITDA was approximately $360 million in line with guidance, while adjusted EPS was a loss of negative 18 cents, slightly below guidance due to a six-cent impact from FX below the line. Overall, we were very pleased with results we generated in the fourth quarter in full year. Strong top line growth combined with continued progress on reducing costs enabled us to generate full year adjusted EBITDA just short of $1.9 billion and adjusted EPS of 70 cents, all which drove strong adjusted free cash flow of $1.1 billion. I am confident that our improved financial performance in 2023 has set the foundation for a solid 2024 and beyond. Moving on to expectations for 2024, our outlook for the first quarter and full year can be found on slide 12. Starting with the full year, adjusted EBITDA is expected to be approximately $2.2 billion and 18% improvement versus 2023 with adjusted EBITDA margins expected to improve by almost 250 basis points. Adjusted net income is expected to be approximately $635 million with adjusted EPS expected at approximately $1.23, a 76% increase versus 2023. Before I get into our top line expectations, there are a couple important points to keep in mind for your models. First, given our strong expected net income growth for the year, shares related to our exchangeable notes are expected to be dilutive and are included in our share count for 2024. As a reminder, we must settle the exchangeable notes due in 2024 and 2025 in shares while both of our exchangeable notes due to 2027 can be settled in cash or shares at our sole election. However, the accounting treatment requires we consider all notes as if they were settled in shares. As a result, we assume our full net income is expected to be $116 million. Secondly, we successfully migrated our tax residency from the UK to Bermuda as of December 31, 2023, and we do not expect recently enacted Bermuda corporate income tax legislation to have a significant impact on our overall tax rate as this was already assumed in our planning. Taking a closer look at the components of the outlook, occupancy is expected to be approximately 105%. Net yield is expected to increase approximately 5.5%, inclusive of the headwinds from the impact of the Middle East and Red Sea on our Oceane and Regent brands primarily in the second and fourth quarter. For modeling purposes, our yield growth will be highest in the first quarter as we are lapping lower load factors and a non-optimized itinerary mix in the first quarter of 2023. In addition, we are seeing strong demand for Caribbean sailings in the first quarter of 2024, which represents approximately 58% of our total deployment in the quarter. For the remainder of the year, yield growth is expected to return to more normalized levels despite the pressure from the aforementioned Middle East and Red Sea headwinds. Moving to costs, adjusted net cruise costs excluding fuel per capacity day is expected to average approximately $159 for the full year. This represents a .4% increase versus full year 2023, but which includes the incremental impact of more dry dock days in 2024. Excluding that impact, our core costs are essentially flat on a -over-year basis. To put this in perspective, this effectively represents approximately $100 million of cost savings, given our expected core inflation rate of around 3% for next year. For modeling purposes, keep in mind that 2023 had less dry docks than normal as we took the opportunity to dry dock ships while they were out of service. This year, we are returning to a more normalized dry dock schedule and expect roughly 175 dry dock days in the year. This will impact adjusted net cruise cost x-fuel by approximately 325 basis points on a -over-year basis, or approximately $5 on a unit cost basis. This includes both the impact of dry dock costs and the related reduction of capacity days. Excluding the impact of that, we expect full year adjusted net cruise cost x-fuel would be approximately $154 essentially flat on a -over-year basis. Note that the timing of this impact is expected to be weighted more to the first half of the year with approximately two-thirds of our dry dock days occurring in that period. This year, we will continue to be relentless in our efforts to enhance margins and reduce costs. We are leaving no stone unturned and are continually identifying opportunities, big and small, across the business. Our transformation office is running full speed ahead in identifying operating inefficiencies and opportunities for improvement across all areas of our operating platform in order to enhance the acceleration of our margin recovery and related cash generation. One key focus area for us has been optimizing both our fuel consumption and bunkering strategy. Fuel costs are one of our largest expense line items and our teams have been hard at work at fostering partnerships with the likes of DNV on decarbonization and long-term agreements with industry leader ABB to drive new opportunities to lower our fuel consumption per capacity day. In addition to the consumption side of the equation, we have made a big leap in the optimization of our fuel bunkering strategy that allows us to maximize price leverage across the various ports and suppliers we use during a season and in many cases even during a single voyage. We believe this will drive double-digit millions in savings in the first year alone. This is just one of the many examples that support our relentless drive to improve our unit costs and leverage our scale, all without impacting the guest experience. I look forward to sharing many more tangible examples in our upcoming investor day in May. The combination of our more efficient cost structure and strong expected top line growth through the year is expected to drive the expansion of our full year adjusted EBITDA margins up by approximately 250 basis points. Now let's take a look at our expectations for the first quarter. As I said earlier, net yield is strong in the first quarter and is expected to increase approximately 15.5%. Adjusted net cruise cost X fuel per capacity day is expected to be $165 or approximately 3% versus the same quarter last year. As mentioned, we expect an increase in dry dock days in the quarter, which will have a $6 or 350 basis point impact on adjusted net cruise cost in Q1. Excluding that impact, adjusted net cruise cost would be $159, essentially flat on a year over year basis, demonstrating our ability to offset the impact of inflation with our cost savings. As a result, adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter is expected to be approximately $450 million, adjusted net income is expected to be approximately $50 million, and adjusted EPS is expected to be approximately $0.12. Given the quarter is essentially complete, we do not expect significant outperformance in the top line versus expectations as the vast majority of our inventory is already sold. Any limited upside would result from our onboard revenue generating performance during the month of March. Moving on to our balance sheet and debt maturity profile on slide 14. In 2023, we generated almost $2 billion of net cash from operating activities, which included $500 million return of cash collateral, and we repaid $1.9 billion of debt, including the full pay down of our $875 million revolving loan facility. Most recently, we successfully negotiated a refinancing of our $650 million backstop commitment from a secured to an unsecured basis, and in connection with the refinancing, the $250 million nine and three-quarters secured notes due in 2028, our highest interest rate debt, is expected to be repaid. The refinancing, which is expected to close in early March, will reduce interest expense, improve leverage, while also releasing all of the related collateral. Another important step forward in improving our balance sheet. Moving to leverage on slide 15. The company has a solid track record of delevering the balance sheet. From 2014 to 2019, we successfully delevered by over three turns. We will continue to be opportunistic and look for further ways to strengthen our balance sheet. We are confident we can make meaningful progress on this front going forward. At year end 23, with reported net leverage of approximately 7.3 times, or approximately six and three-quarter times when excluding the impact of ships delivered in the second half of the year, we continue to expect significant improvement in this metric over time, driven by our organic cash generation and scheduled debt amortization payments. Over the course of 2024, we expect to reduce our reported leverage by almost one and a half turns, with sequential improvements in each quarter. This improvement does not assume any prepayment of debt apart from the aforementioned takeout of our 250 million notes expected in early March. Going forward, we are refining a multi-year plan to further accelerate the reduction of leverage and de-risk our balance sheet in order to drive shareholder value. With that, I'll turn it back to Harry for closing remarks.
spk10: Well, thank you, Mark. Truly encouraging results. Moving forward, our entire team will be focused on the most important work. First, we will continue to execute on our near-term priorities and capitalize on the strong demand from cruising from our target upscale demographic. Second, we will build upon the progress we've already made with our ongoing margin enhancement efforts with further improvements in costs. And finally, we will continue to improve our balance sheet and reduce leverage over time. In closing, I couldn't be more excited about the year ahead. I am confident that we have the right resources in place to capitalize on the strong demand environment and deliver exceptional vacation experiences for our guests across all three of our brands, execute on our operational and
spk09: financial goals for 2024, and ultimately deliver long-term profitable growth and shareholder
spk10: value. I look forward to sharing the results of our strategic assessment of our business and defining our vision for the future of the company, including long-term financial targets at our investor day this coming May. With that, I'm happy to turn it over to the operator for questions.
spk01: Thank you. If you have a question at this time, please press star, then one on your touchtone phone. In order to get as many people through the queue, please limit your time to one question. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press star two. Our first question is coming from Brandt Montour of Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk08: Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question.
spk10: Good morning, Brandt.
spk08: Good morning. So looking at your one queue guidance and the full year net yield guidance, there obviously is a pretty big detail or sort of a more conservative implied growth in the back in the sort of two queue to four queue net yield, but it's not out of line with your longer term algo on that two queue to four queue. So I guess the question is, one, would you be willing to, Mark or Harry, willing to sort of quantify the disruptions from the Middle East and the repositioning of those ships and sort of give us a sense for what the core business outside of those disruptions, how you see that sort of growing in the back half of the year?
spk10: Yes. Thank you, Brandt, again for that. So I do think you have the right thought pattern. You know, Q2 to Q4 are in line with our long term express goals where we look to have low to mid single digit yield growth, of course, measured capacity growth, strong cost controls, all leading to outsized EBITDA and margin performances, which should allow us to continue to strengthen our balance sheet. I think you are right that the situation in the Red Sea, Suez Canal had some impact on our Oceania and region brands, not on NCL. NCL is extraordinarily strong in all four quarters as we see the booking patterns now. But for the Oceania and region perspective, since it was 8 and 12 percent of their respective capacities, we would expect that to have an impact of about one to two points on yield in the back three quarters of the year. What that means, all that's taken into consideration in the guidance we provided. So we stand by our numbers. And what that means is we should have a modest tailwind in 2025 when we lack those items.
spk08: That's super helpful. That's great. And then as a follow up, you know, taking the Middle East disruption, direct disruption out of it and just thinking about core Europe, staling's core Norwegian branded Europe, staling's Americans traveling to Europe. You know, that's an area that people that some of us have been a little bit more concerned about. Maybe talk about the evolution of the bookings patterns you're seeing in that specific that specific segment. And should we be taking that into account when we think about the cadence for the for the for the three Q?
spk10: So, you know, we talked last year a little bit about some of the challenges we had coming out of covid with some of our itineraries that require a slightly longer booking period like Europe. And I think that had impacted some of our results in Q3 or Q4 of last year. I'm sorry, Q2 or Q3 of last year. My apologies. When we gave the results in our in our earnings calls, we learned from And we've absolutely extended our booking curve for Europe, primarily for Americans going into the twenty twenty four season. So we're very happy with what we're seeing across all three brands, with the exception of those cruises that had previously been going to Israel and the Middle East on the Oceania region brand.
spk08: Great. Thanks, everyone.
spk10: Thank you, Grant.
spk01: Thank you. The next question is coming from Andrew Dodora of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good morning, everyone. But, Harry, I guess just when I think about the visibility into the first half of twenty four and maybe for the full year, just curious how kind of your booking curve has changed over the years. And I think Mark spoke about one Q obviously being fully booked here. Kind of where do you stand in terms of two Q being booked at this point? And how should we think about where you stand for a full year, twenty four based on your budget and capacity?
spk10: Well, thank you, Andrew, for that question. You know, we don't give specific guidance on our book position for each quarter. Yes, Mark did say we are entirely booked for Q1 because we're sitting here on February, late February, February twenty seven. So we're not going to get any more meaningful bookings for Q1. But for the other three quarters, we continue to be, with the exception of those Red Sea and Middle East cruises, which I've referred to before, in record book positions or we're referring to as all time high book positions across the three quarters and especially on the NCL brand.
spk05: OK, Mark, just on the balance sheet, you know, obviously you're addressing the expense of maturity. I guess I thought you couldn't prepaid debt before all the deferred amortization was done. Was I wrong about that? And I guess, you know, is there any other debt due between now and, say, twenty twenty eight that you can also kind of proactively pay down? I know it's not in your assumptions, but just curious if it's possible or is it just too costly to do at this point?
spk11: Thanks. Good morning, Andrew. You're right. Technically, we we we do not have the capability to technically prepaid debt until we have all of our deferred amortization caught up. However, with this particular transaction, it is a it is deemed a refinancing. And as such, we do have the ability to take out that portion of the debt. As we look forward, you know, over the course of the remainder of the year of twenty four, we have some notes that are maturing in December, our five sixty five three and five eight notes and which are very very cost effective. But we will be looking to address those between now and sometime, obviously well before the end of the year. And then outside of that, a little bit too early for us to be thinking about or giving guidance in terms of what we may or may not take out. But I think the point to be made here really is that we are now starting to actively address the balance sheet and address the leverage. And we've always said this will be a little bit of a chip away each year. And we're happy that coming out of the gate for twenty twenty four, we've been able to start that. So we're we're very excited about that. It's definitely a solid path to in our journey. Great. Thanks, Mark.
spk01: Thank you. The next question is coming from Steve Basinski of Stiefel. Please go ahead.
spk06: Yeah, guys, good morning. So so Harry or Mark, you know, first off, congratulations on the on the cost improvement. It's been pretty impressive. And, you know, as we move through this year and we think about costs then for the out years, you know, I mean, how do you guys think about cost growth or lack of cost growth in those years as we move as we move past 2024? I mean, I would assume it's going to be tough to keep costs in that flattish range. So just maybe some color around your your long term cost outlook moving forward would be would be helpful. Thanks.
spk10: So thank you, Steve, for those kind words on cost control. It's something that we're extraordinarily proud of. And as Mark mentioned, it's for peer comments represents, you know, over one hundred million dollar improvement versus versus core inflation. Listen, I we're not here to give specific guidance yet on 25 and 26. So we won't. We'll do that in when we give our long term financial metric outlook in our investor day in May. But but I will say that this goal of being able to grow costs at less than the rate of inflation is certainly something that we inspire to do on a long term basis. So I know that's not exactly what you're looking for, but hopefully gives you some indication of our direction.
spk11: And Steve, to just further highlight what Harry's saying is I want to make it very clear, we've been laser focused on this. We are looking at all different ways how we can improve and more importantly, improve and get more efficient to leverage our scale. We said time and again, this is not a one time exercise. This is what we've actually established a transformation office, which I imagine would become something like a continuous improvement office. But things, you know, we're setting up performance dashboards. I talked about some of our bunkering strategies. There's a lot of ways where we can improve the overall underlying fundamental cost structure all without impacting the guest experience. I talked about our fuel. I talked about our bunkering strategy. Food waste, you know, that, you know, food waste is just a big area that when you start really monitoring the waste side of it has significant upstream benefits. When you think about the waste side of it. So, again, we are we're focused on this. We got the message. We've been taking this serious and we believe there's multi-year benefits here. But we look forward to certainly sharing more details around that in our May investor day.
spk06: OK, gotcha. And then second question, you know, you mentioned in the release that pricing and bookings are, you know, are higher for the Norwegian brand for all four quarters of this year. Just, you know, just just wondering if you can give a little more color about what you're seeing in terms of what kind of price action you can take for more second half of this year into 2025. Then maybe also a little bit of color around the luxury brands, which obviously are being somewhat impacted by what's going on in the Med. But any color there would be helpful as well.
spk10: Thanks. Yeah. So listen, on the NCL brand, we have very robust and sophisticated revenue management systems. And when we see demand as it is today, you know, we take price action or promotional action, which is sort of an opaque way to take price action in order to generate the highest yields for the company. And we're doing that so that nothing has changed in our core philosophy from that perspective. When demand is good, we take advantage of it. And I think it's it's reflected in our oversized gains for Q1 and our reasonably strong gains for Q2 to Q4, especially on the NCL brand. Oceania region, I want to be clear, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the model at the luxury space. We see demand for luxury being very high. But when you have to take 60 or 70 days out of service on two ships out of a regularly small fleet for two brands, it does have an outside impact on the ability to grow yields at those two brands. We hope that to be a one time thing. You know, all the new voyages for Oceania region with the new deployment already on sale and starting to fill will all be at, you know, because we're filling them closer in it at lower pricing than we normally would have gotten. But it's just limited to those areas. We are very happy with the performance on Oceania region in the other regions of the world.
spk11: And Steve, in terms of Norwegian brand, you know, not apart from our sophisticated revenue management systems, you know, let's not forget our, you know, models around onboard revenue. We are in a continuous improvement mode in terms of expanding our pre-sale of onboard revenue and getting more share of the wallet over a longer period of time from the point a customer enters our ecosystem. And we continue to refine that. We continue to look at that. And that plays a key part as we going forward, as we look at our revenue opportunities. So that's something we are we are very, very focused on.
spk06: OK, great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
spk01: Thank you. The next question is coming from Dan Pulitzer of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dive a little bit deeper, just make sure I'm understanding your comments on terms of how you're thinking about the yield growth for this year. So the Middle East sounds like the impact is largest in the second quarter and fourth quarter. So is it fair to assume the third quarter, you know, in terms of the yield growth, first quarter, third quarter and then two Q four Q about the same in terms of greatest to least?
spk11: Yeah, Dan, I certainly you know, when you look at the impact of the Middle East on the on the O and R brands, it's definitely impacting us more in the in the second and fourth quarter, as mentioned in our results. So I think as you look across the three quarters, as we said in our prepared remarks, you're going to see more of a normalized, consistent yield growth. There's always some puts and takes within each quarter, but I wouldn't expect any significant lumpiness necessarily, so to speak, across the the remaining three quarters.
spk03: Got it. And then just for my follow up, this is maybe an add on to Brand's question. But as we think about that second quarter to fourth quarter and kind of getting back to a more normal algo, I think, Harry, you mentioned geopolitical was maybe one or two points of a headwind, but I think you've also been pretty adamant that, you know, you guys were going to guide a fairly conservative outlook for the year. So I guess as we think about that, that, you know, the two Q through fourth quarter outlook, like to what degree you're baking in conservatism and any impact from itinerary and mixed shifts.
spk10: You know, I think if we told you what level of conservatism we were making into our guidance, I would be giving you new guidance. So, listen, it's a place to say that we are providing numbers that we're confident in. You know, we have, of course, incredible visibility into future book positions. So I'm not saying there's no upside there, but I certainly wouldn't expect huge upside to the numbers that we provide. We're going to manage our business to the best of our abilities and we're providing you numbers that we are confident that we can hit.
spk03: Understood. Thank you so much.
spk01: Thank you. The next question is coming from James Hardeman of Citi. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. So I don't want to belabor the point, but just this sort of dichotomy between... I'll do it anyway. Sort of this dichotomy between one Q and the rest of the year on the yield front. Obviously, some of that is just occupancy, right? That catch up. But if I think about what I get to as being maybe at 800 to 900 basis point detail from one Q to the rest of the year, how much can just be explained by mix? Right. I mean, you've got the slide that shows Europe going from, you know, zero percent to thirty four and fifty one while the Caribbean is coming down from fifty eight to eighteen. Obviously, Caribbean pricing is a lot more robust than what we're seeing out of Europe. Is there any way to quantify, you know, how much of that detail just stems from that? And I guess is there a way to think about sort of how you're seeing like for like pricing in North America and Europe as we get past the first quarter and into the rest of the year?
spk10: You know, James, I appreciate the question as always. Listen, I don't think there's really much of a mixed issue here from the perspective of that our deployment in twenty twenty four is not that much different than our deployment in twenty twenty three, with the exception of the couple of big NCO ships that we moved out of Europe a month or two early in in early Q4. So I wouldn't necessarily say to Q4, I think there's two primary issues that we've discussed, which I'm happy to articulate. Q1 of twenty three was was particularly weak coming out of covid. There was short booking curves. There were disruptions, especially on the Oceania and region brand with our itineraries that visited Asia, Australia. Both those brands have a world cruise, which was very difficult to sell, you know, given, you know, the time commitment that guests have to make and the fact that they would have had to make those decisions in early twenty two when covid was still alive and well. So we're coming off, you know, a reasonably weak comp in Q1. That being said, we're still very, very happy that we were able to get Q1 of twenty four back to where it is with a 16 percent growth year over year. So obviously there's some strength in Q1. It's not this year, not just a weakness of last year. I think the other three quarters, the only issue that we're seeing, you know, when we look across the the brands, across the quarters, across the geographic areas, it's simply this issue with the Red Sea and Suez, which I won't elaborate because I've talked to it before. We believe we have the right mix of Caribbean product for our guest set over the summer. We do have ships in the Caribbean. We don't go to a zero percent capacity, but we have seen higher returns out of Europe and Alaska and Bermuda than we do out of the Caribbean, which is why we position our ships there. So it's possible that the growth in the Caribbean could have been more, but the end result would have been less. You know, I repeat what I said in my prepared remarks. We still have the highest net yields within the competitive set. So, you know, maybe we would have grown more on a like for like basis, but it would have resulted in a lower overall number if we positioned more of our capacity
spk11: in the Caribbean. And, James, just keep in mind, when you think about 2024, obviously we're getting the benefit in Q1 versus Q1 of 23, an outsized growth algo because of the aforementioned factors. But then you roll that forward and you look at Q4 of 2023, where we had roughly eight and a half, nine percent yield growth. We're going to be lapping over that in the fourth quarter of this year. So there is a little bit of, you know, of lapping issues going on. But I think, as Harry said, the underlying strength and pricing in the business is looking good across all sectors and all geopolitical areas. I'm sorry, all geographical areas apart from the Middle Sea and the Red Sea area.
spk02: Got it. And maybe just to follow up there to that geographical point. So if I just think about, you know, five and a half, call it, yield growth for the year. I guess that's probably if we just thought about pricing, right, the occupancy piece, maybe four, four, two, call it. Is there, the Red Sea and the Middle East impact, is there a meaningful difference in terms of how we should be thinking about pricing growth for Europe versus pricing growth for the Caribbean? No, I don't think there's any. But maybe not.
spk11: I don't think there's any meaningful difference between the markets, James. I think we're again, we're seeing strong pricing for all of those markets and other markets. So obviously, you have a total difference in net per diem depending on the area of operation. But in terms of growth, we're not seeing any sort of significant differences between markets.
spk02: Got it. Very helpful. Thanks, guys. And good luck. Thank you. Thanks, James.
spk01: Thank you. The next question is coming from Vince Cepil of Cleveland Research. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to dig into the margin a little bit. Helpful, your color on, I think, close to two and a half points of improvement. That gets you back to about the mid-20s. But you're still a handful of points behind where you were pre-COVID. And maybe you could help walk through some of those moving pieces. I think selling more air is probably just a headwind as it's more of a pass through. I think that fuel is probably a point or so of headwind. But just help us kind of understand and bridge the margin differential versus pre-COVID times. And give your confidence on a path back to getting close to something near 30 percent over time.
spk11: Yeah. Thanks, Vince. While I don't want to give too many details because I think we're going to give some significant visibility at our May Investor Day. But look, the bottom line is really that we have to continue to improve on our pricing. That's key number one. But it all comes down to leveraging our cost base and our unit cost and leveraging that scale. We've made significant progress, what I would say, in the last 18 to 20 months when we really first started addressing this back in the second half of 2022. So we're going to continue to look at that. We have to improve. When you think about overall cost from 2019, when we look at it, I think we were somewhere about a 3 percent CAGR over 2019 through 2024 guidance. So we think we can definitely improve on that. Obviously, there is some incremental drag from fuel given new regulations versus 19 and 24 and so on. But we have to do a better job of leveraging our scale. We're doing that. As I said, we've been able to confidently mitigate over $100 million of expected inflation in 2024. It's no small feat that I want to reiterate. When we look at our cost base, excluding the dry dock and the reduced capacity days, our cost base is flat, expected to be flat for 2024. So I want to make sure everybody understands that. It doesn't end here. We're looking at everything and we think there's continuous opportunity there. So we're going to chip away at that. And I think in a combination between, again, strong top line growth and moderate cost growth or improvement, we think definitely there's opportunity for significant margin
spk10: expansion over time. You know, and just to add to that, I know we talk a lot about metrics, NCC, excluding fuel or NCC, excluding fuel and dry dock. But I want to emphasize that fuel expense is not something we ignore. Mark talked about it extensively in his prepared remarks. And our goal is to find ways to reduce consumption. You know, ultimately, obviously, that's great for sustainability goals, but it's also great for our overall profitability. So I don't want to, despite the fact that we don't necessarily report on that metric extensively, I want to assure everyone that that is one of the main focuses. I mean, we spend something like 700 million dollars a year on fuel. And Mark talked about the multi, multi, multi million dollar things that we're going to do to to improve fuel from bunk, bunk ring to better monitoring and things like that. And those numbers are real and, of course, are reflected in our EBITDA numbers.
spk07: Thanks. And maybe one more for thinking about this kind of more normalized growth to Q3 for Q. Maybe walk us through how you envision on board versus ticket versus occupancy gains kind of contributing to that growth. And if it's equal, if one is a bigger driver, any additional color there would be helpful.
spk11: Yeah, look, on board revenue is always a significant generator of our overall revenue profile. You know, when you look at the quarters two through four, yeah, I think we're getting probably what about a point and a half of of occupancy benefit. And those three quarters and the rest is really coming on the back on the back of pricing. So on board is an important component and it always is and it always has been. We'll continue to improve on that. Our goal, again, is to get more of that wallet share well prior to the customer ever stepping on foot any one of our vessels. And we continue to improve on that. And that but I don't think there's going to I don't think we're expecting any meaningful outsize growth from that particular revenue stream versus necessarily our core ticket price across the three brands.
spk10: Donna, I think we have time for one more question, please.
spk01: Thank you. Our final question today is coming from Connor Cunningham of Milius Research. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hi, everyone. Thank you. Maybe I could just sneak to and just on on the cost trajectory in twenty twenty four trying to understand a little bit more. I understand the dry docks and the inflation, but it's. What's the offset that's happening there? Is it is marketing spend kind of trending down and maybe secondly to stick with Mark on that as well. The comments around the balance sheet improvement, the tone is definitely changing. So that's positive. Simple math says you're going to six times leverage. You know, are we going to get back to the street or four times that you did pre, just any thoughts that would be helpful. Thank you.
spk10: Go ahead. Yeah, so I'll let Mark talk about our balance sheet number because we're very proud of that. I'll let him finish up the commentary and that. But on the close side, you know, this isn't this isn't specifically related to marketing. We obviously will look at. Improvements in efficiencies and marketing in the same way we look at efficiencies everywhere else. But any improvement we find in marketing will be strictly around efficiency. The volume, if you will. Of marketing will remain the same. We're very happy with the demand we drive. We carefully track it through, you know, web visits, lead generation and all the other type of metrics that that are necessary in order to keep both top and mid funnel. Of our of our marketing alive and well, and that volume will continue any any benefit we have will be on efficiency, not on volume. But really, that the cost is everywhere. I mean, we talked about fuel. We talked about food waste. But I mean, we could go through every line item of the P and L. There's nothing off the table. I mean, we've made improvements in air costs. We made improvements in Consumables in maintenance really across the way and SGA expenses. So I really want you to think about it as a whole P and L and not that we're going to in any way focus on marketing in order to reduce those important demand metrics. And Mark, take it away. Connor on
spk11: on leverage, you know, you know, look, we've said we are very focused on it and we've said that this will improve significantly over time. We're very excited that we expect our leverage current leverage levels at year end. We expect to at least decrease that by by one and a half turns. And again, that's going to read that slowly, but surely restoring our balance sheet back to pre coded levels. So obviously that that three to four range is something we're focused on. I would not certainly would not expect that to happen in twenty twenty four, but we are starting the, you know, sequential improvement quarter after quarter this year, you will see significant improvements and leverage. And we're excited to see that same thing happening over the course of twenty five and twenty six. So we're on the right path.
spk10: The only thing I'll add to Mark's comment is just a simple math one. If we were at seven point three and we plan to reduce it by one and a half. I think the number would be in the five something range, not the six something range just to keep them in the back of your mind. That being said, I want to thank everyone for joining us today. We'll be around to answer any questions you may have. We look forward to seeing you all in May. We wish you a great day and all the best.
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