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spk04: Thank you for standing by. My name is John and I'll be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the second quarter NYSource earnings conference call 2024. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Chris Turnier, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk01: Good morning and welcome to the NYSource Second Quarter 2024 Investor Call. Joining me today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Lloyd Yates, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Sean Anderson, Executive Vice President of Strategy and Risk and Chief Commercial Officer, Michael Lures, and Executive Vice President and Group President, NYSource Utilities, Melody Birmingham. The purpose of this presentation is to review NYSource's financial performance for the second quarter of 2024, as well as provide an update on our operations and growth drivers. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. Slides for today's call are available in the investor relations section of our website. We would like to remind you that some of the statements made during this presentation will be forward looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the statements. Information concerning such risks and uncertainties is included in the risk factors and MD&A sections of our periodic SEC filings. Additionally, some of the statements made on this call relate to non-GAAP measures. Please refer to the supplemental slides, segment information, and full financial schedules for information on the most directly comparable GAAP measure and a reconciliation of these measures. I'd now like to turn the call over to Lloyd.
spk07: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on slide three. The NYSource investment thesis is simple. We serve our customers by delivering safe and reliable energy at an affordable price. Affordable energy requires efficient capital deployment, safe asset operations, and constructive regulatory recovery mechanisms. These fundamentals generate competitive returns while enhancing our balance sheet position. A trailing 12-month earned ROE at the NYSource level was 10.3%, demonstrating our focus on shareholder returns despite rapidly growing deployed capital. This is a gap number with an adjustment made only to normalize weather. Slide 4 shows our key priorities. We reported second quarter 2024 adjusted EPS of 21 cents. We are reaffirming 2024 adjusted EPS guidance of $1.70 to $1.74, and we now expect to achieve the upper half of this range. We are also reaffirming annual 2023 to 2028 guidance for adjusted EPS growth of 6% to 8% for all years of the plan and rate-based growth of 8% to 10%. We continue to target SFO to debt of 14 to 16% in all years of the plan. Our superior regulatory and stakeholder foundation is differentiated. We have a long history of working collaboratively to deliver value across diverse constituencies. A huge effort is made to communicate proactively with stakeholders and demonstrate the value of our operations and investments on an ongoing basis, both during and between full rate cases. while also incorporating a balanced perspective from many of our participating stakeholders. Engaging with stakeholders enhances alignment, providing advanced notice of upcoming changes, often helping to pave the way for stakeholder support. Balance sheet flexibility remains on this page for a reason. Late last year, We raised over $2 billion in minority interest funding and projected up to $600 million of common equity issuance for 2024, to which we've made great progress. We have also been active in the hybrid security market last quarter. NYSource is prepared for unforeseen challenges and opportunities. We have regularly discussed our upside CapEx investment programs for the past several quarters. Recently, we have seen an acceleration of customer interest in our northern Indiana service area. In June, Governor Holcomb of Indiana announced plans for a significant new data center in the NIPSCO footprint following granting of a state sales tax exemption. This is the fourth data center announcement statewide this year and just one of the many indications of customer interest and stakeholder support for NIPSCO. Indiana offers many attractive features to data center developers. Access to infrastructure, including roads and water, land, predictable climate and weather, low cost of living, stable and low taxes, and supportive regulation in government are just a few. We believe data center development can enhance our local tax base, diversify the employment base across the state of Indiana, and provide greater value to existing customers and shareholders. We are also uniquely positioned to be the convener of key stakeholders in serving the broader public interest. This puts us at the precipice of discussions on data center advancement in a balanced and thoughtful manner. Vertically integrated utilities like NIPSCO are part of an interdependent group of communities and stakeholders, and we'll be thoughtful about our system safety, reliability, and cost allocation for all our customers. We will move as quickly as possible while maintaining the integrity of our commercial planning, regulatory procurement, and operational execution processes. Please turn to slide five. In July, several new IT applications went live at NIPSCO Electric Operations. These are the first stages of rollout across categories of technology investment and are the culmination of work beginning back in 2022. Major software programs such as these support safer and more efficient work practices. The new systems were quickly put to the test during severe July weather and performed as designed. I am pleased to report on this successful launch and look forward to upcoming rollouts across different areas of the organization. This is only one piece of our Operational Excellence Initiative. Project Apollo continues to find efficiencies throughout the organization after ramping up last year. Stable O&M over our plan horizon continues to be a part of achieving our financial commitments. Last month, a major windstorm impacted our Indiana service area, bringing tornadic activity, wind speeds up to 90 miles per hour, and heavy rainfall. Our electric operations team monitors evolving weather patterns and prepares resources in advance of storms, including engagement of contractors and mutual aid crews from neighboring utilities in Michigan and Wisconsin. Our preparation and around-the-clock response involved 400 line workers and 86 tree trimming crews, enabling a successful restoration. I want to thank each and every employee and contractor for their tireless dedication to restoring service and safety across our communities. In summary, the NYSource business plan offers a differentiated opportunity to return value to all stakeholders. Our teams continue to deliver on our commitments, financially, operationally, and being a trusted business partner to customers and employees. Beyond keeping our plans on track, our teams are vigilantly seeking enhancements to an already premium plan and ways to enhance value as we move forward. I'd now like to turn the call over to Melody.
spk00: All right. Thank you, Lloyd. I want to spend a few moments updating each of you on the important regulatory activity we have across our companies, which is profiled on slide six. Our focus on operational excellence, coupled with the softened commodity pricing has driven lower bills over the last 12 months across our gas businesses, despite the critical investments our teams continue to make. During the 12 months, which ended June 30th, our average residential gas customer bill declined over 16% from a year earlier on a total bill basis. In Indiana, last week, the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission approved the NIPSCO gas rate case unanimous settlement, which was reached in March. The approval incorporated $1 billion of additional capital investment versus our last rate case, a new weather normalization adjustment, and approval of NIPSCO's automated metering infrastructure, or AMI, project. In Kentucky, our general rate case was filed in May, and we expect intervener testimony later this month with hearings in October. Also wanted to note the Kentucky Public Service Commission Chair Kent Chandler recently vacated his post at the end of his three-year term, which ended on June 30th. Our work in Pennsylvania is a great demonstration of the value of our risk reduction strategy and alignment with our stakeholders. Columbia Gas of Pennsylvania met with the Pennsylvania Utility Commission in late 2022 and was the first gas utility to seek the Commission's approval for the replacement of vintage plastic pipe in our long-term infrastructure plan. The Commission approved Columbia Gas of Pennsylvania's request early in 2023. Just recently, the Chairman of the Commission made a motion directing other natural gas companies to amend their infrastructure plans to prioritize the replacement of vintage plastic pipe on their systems as well. Meanwhile, our Pennsylvania rate case continues to progress on schedule. after initial intervener testimony was filed in June and hearings were held last month. We remain confident in achieving a constructive outcome to support our stakeholders and the value of our energy investments for Pennsylvanian customers and communities. In Virginia last month, the Commonwealth was named the top state in the country for business by CNBC for the third time in the last five years. The survey considered factors ranging from education quality to the cost of doing business. Also, recently, our Columbia Gas of Virginia team reached a preliminary settlement with a customer to build a gas pipeline to serve onsite generation for the customer's data center operations. This project has the potential to be one of the largest multi-tenant data center operations in the world. This is made possible by the highly reliable and on-demand characteristics of natural gas, which will fuel the generation necessary to house this critical data. It's projects like these that can contribute to economic growth and lead to increased demand for energy and infrastructure services. In Ohio, our team was able to find a solution to help keep advanced manufacturer and extruder of aluminum, Pennix, as a valued customer and vital employer in the state. Both Columbia Gas of Ohio and Pennix will now invest millions of dollars into the local economy supporting hundreds of jobs and expanding manufacturing operations in an area that does not have many development opportunities. Projects such as this one, it's helping our communities and helping our communities thrive. These developments also create upside in our plans, growth on our system, and create more opportunities for residential expansion within the region. Early last month, NISource released our 2024 Environmental, Social, and Governance, or ESG, report. The report demonstrates progress on key initiatives designed to make a positive impact on the communities we serve while valuing our customers. Highlights include continued reduction in fugitive methane emissions from gas, main, and service lines, increased diverse supplier spending, and advancement towards our top decile safety performance. NYSource continues to achieve top quartile ESG performance when aggregated across five key ESG raters. In May, NYSource was awarded the top AAA ESG rating for the third consecutive year by MSCI ESG rating. The AAA rating is reserved for the top 10% of utilities, and the company was assessed as an ESG leader in corporate governance, corporate behavior, human capital development, and toxic emissions and waste. In July, we received our annual Financial Times Stock Exchange Index, or FTSE, ESG scores. and we now rank in the 89th percentile of global utility companies. Our FTSE ESG score increased two deciles since July of 2023. Last but not least, I would like to highlight the work our teams are doing to improve our overall customer satisfaction. In the J.D. Power Gas Residential Mid-Year 2024 Customer Satisfaction Survey, Columbia Gas of Ohio, Columbia Gas of Kentucky, and Columbia Gas of Virginia outperformed the industry average within their respective segments. Quite notably, Columbia Gas of Virginia was named number one, the top gas utility brand in the country. I'll now turn things over to Sean.
spk09: Thanks, Melody. I'd like to begin by discussing the status of our generation assets under construction, which are being developed to support the Integrated Resource Plan preferred portfolio from the 2018 and 2021 IRPs. In May, we completed Cavalry Solar, which is our third solar project owned by NIPSCO. It will provide power to approximately 60,000 homes in White County and is expected to generate $25 million of tax revenue for the county over its life. Construction continues on our remaining three solar build transfer projects and four PPA projects. All of these projects under construction remain on track and on budget to support the energy transition NIPSCO has been executing since 2020 and which will retire our Schaefer Generating Station by the end of 2025 and Michigan City by the end of 2028. NIPSCO filed unopposed proposed orders for two of these projects, Fairbanks and Gibson, in CPCN amendment proceedings, and the records are now closed in both. We expect final orders later this month. The record is also closed in the Gaspeaker CPCN proceeding, and a final order is expected in the fourth quarter. In total, these ongoing generation investments add $2.1 billion of capital expenditures to support our retiring coal plants and are fully represented in the $16.4 billion base capital plan and satisfy the preferred portfolio from the 2021 IRP. Turning our attention to the latest IRP process, in late June, the NIPSCO team held the second of five stakeholder meetings, leading up to an anticipated filing in November. These discussions outlined scenarios which included an incremental need for generation by 2035 of 2.6 gigawatts for the reference case and 8.6 gigawatts in the emerging load sensitivity case. It is important to note that the potential load growth assumptions built into these scenarios are not the total or maximum range of new load growth, but rather a risk-adjusted case using assumptions of how much of each project could be executed by each date. Note, the IRP process looks at a 20-year load forecast for our region and is not a direct forecast of future NYSource generation projects or investment. With that said, the interest demonstrated from new customers to develop in the Northwest Indiana region is significant, and presents a tremendous opportunity for our customers and communities to enhance tax base, diversify employment opportunities, and participate in the technological innovation data centers bring to our nation. Consistent with last quarter, this potential opportunity is not included in our base case or upside financial plans, and we will continue to advance commercial discussions to enhance visibility in the coming months. As we review our five-year base investment plan on slide eight, it's important to note the diversified nature of these investments, which span across electric generation as well as gas and electric distribution modernization, system hardening, and customer growth. Our projects lack concentration risk by fuel type or by operating company and are highly executable given the skilled labor and partnerships we've developed. Let's move forward to slide nine. We also continue to work through the planning, design, regulatory, and timing considerations for projects not yet included in our $16.4 billion base capital plan. Automated meter reading, or AMI, investments commenced recently in Indiana. It is expected to drive operational efficiencies and enhance our customer experience. A portion of total AMI spending across the NYSource companies is included in our base capital plan, with the potential to expand across the rest of our gas companies. We are developing MISO Long Range Transmission Planning, or LRTP, Tranche 1 projects, expected to come online late this decade. The three projects are the Indiana portion of a major multi-state line and are included in our base financial plan. Preliminary engineering has been conducted and points to higher costs, which exceed original MISO estimates. Our base plan does not include the additional CapEx potentially necessary to complete these projects. LRTP tranche 2 continues to be a longer-term investment opportunity that would likely commence beyond the timeline of our current financial plan. These projects skew towards higher voltage transmission and would not begin operation until early next decade. We have right of first refusal on projects in our service territory and expect a final MISO plan late this year. Now I'll transition to our financial results. Second quarter adjusted EPS was 21 cents per share, a 10 cent per share increase versus the 11 cents per share reported in the same period last year. Net revenue increased 15% year over year, including $8 million of incremental normalized customer usage. Our regulatory weather normalization mechanisms continue to protect both customers and shareholders from volatility. In the second quarter, these constructs had an approximately $6 million revenue impact versus normal weather. Our states are growing, helping to reduce customer costs and support safety and reliability improvements to our system. Customer count and total weather normalized gas throughput for residential and commercial customers grew in the first half across our system. Virginia and Ohio were standouts, with an average first half weather normalized throughput growth of 7.1% for residential and 5.7% for commercial customers across both states. And while the load growth forecasts from the IRP demonstrate a massive long-term increase of 11% compounded annually from 2024 to 2035 in the reference case, normalized electric load grew 5% in the second quarter from our existing customers alone. Residential and commercial classes were particularly strong. And further, existing data center customers have grown year-to-date uses by five times versus the same period last year and are projecting further growth through the remainder of this decade. Our long-term financial guidance commitments are shown on slide 11. As Lloyd indicated, we are reaffirming 2024 adjusted EPS guidance of $1.70 to $1.74, but we now expect to achieve the upper half of this range. All of our five-year commitments are reaffirmed today as well. This includes the year-over-year adjusted EPS growth rate of six to eight percent annually off of the achieved results in 2024. We remain confident in achieving our long-term growth rate in all remaining years of the plan. In particular, Year-to-date execution on the financing and regulatory fronts has increased visibility into 2024 and 2025 results. For example, approximately 97% of expected 2024 rate recovery is now finalized. Our forecasts incorporate continued use of long-established capital trackers in nearly all of our jurisdictions and are based on what we believe are realistic regulatory outcomes and do not forecast material changes in the interest rate environment. More importantly, we are still able to deliver our $16.4 billion rate-based investment to customers while keeping average annual residential total bill growth at or below 4% across the five-year period. As we look forward to November, we expect to continue with our annual cadence of updating our five-year financial plan, reflecting these updated assumptions, as well as our capital allocation and investment portfolios. Slide 12 details our financing plan. We are reaffirming 14 to 16% FFO to debt in all years of the plan, as well as our guided annual equity needs in each year through 2028. consistent with prior updates the figures shown on this page support our base capital plan in may we issued 500 million of 30-year junior subordinated notes at a 6.95 coupon for the first five-year period in june we issued 600 million of five-year senior unsecured notes at a 5.2 coupon and our equity financing is limited to the use of our at-the-market ATM program. In all years, and consistent with previous indications, we prefer to utilize a forward ATM structure. Through June 30th, we are happy to report we have priced $500 million of our up to $600 million 2024 guided amount. We are capitalizing on favorable absolute and relative market dynamics within the capital structure to minimize the overall cost of capital. Our credit metrics are gradually moving higher, and we retain the flexibility we've built into our plan. I'll conclude with highlights of our growing track record on slide 13. Our financial commitments are on track for 2024, and we now expect to achieve the upper half of our $1.70 to $1.74 adjusted EPS range. Our near-term and long-term guidance remains resilient to market and other forces outside our control and are based on realistic and executable assumptions. Execution on numerous capital trackers, the conclusion of our Indiana gas rate case, and progress on CPCNs underscore our execution of recovery for critical investments to ensure safety and reliability of our systems. Year-end financing activity including pricing of the majority of our forward ATM plan for the year and diversification utilized in the junior subordinated debt marketplace, demonstrates our balance sheet flexibility. Lastly, our base and upside CapEx estimates demonstrate the programmatic investment plans alongside accelerated upside for customers and investors. To reiterate, our rate base and adjusted EPS guidance includes neither the upside CapEx nor any data center load or investment and is built upon the known and socialized regulatory programs which have contributed to the 8.1% adjusted EPS growth rate we've executed since 2021. The value proposition NYSource continues to offer investors is diversified and fully regulated utility assets with the opportunity to invest in both programmatic gas infrastructure and the long-term energy transition story of a fully integrated electric business. These elements have been core to our story for some time. But the emerging opportunity to support economic development, onshoring, and new data center development truly differentiate our value proposition relative to many alternatives in the market today. I'd now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.
spk04: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our question and answer session. If you have doubt in and would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touchstone phone. If you would like to withdraw your questions, you can press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question.
spk03: As a reminder, we will pause for a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Shar Preza from Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good morning. Morning, Shar.
spk05: Morning, Lloyd. Lloyd, I just want to drill a little bit further on sort of the MISO opportunities. Just on tranche 2.1, can we get maybe a bit of a sense of how much of the 23 to 27 billion for the total tranche is relevant for you? And then 2.2, obviously, it's coming in 25. What are we looking at there from a spend perspective? Thanks.
spk09: I'm going to throw that ball to Sean. Hey, Sean. Good morning. So Tronch One projects, we began the process working with MISO and have estimated MISO's original estimate around $300 million of Tronch One for the portfolio projects that plan to be executed. We think that it will take a little bit more to be able to execute those projects safely and reliably the way MISO is expecting that energy to be able to be moved across the multi-state region. So we're in engagement right now with MISO, sharing those plans and identifying what that will look like. We plan to have more of an update as we step towards our next call in the November refresh of our capital plans. And then on Trunch 2, it's still early on those. We haven't really formally put those estimates out. We do expect to see something at the very end of this year with MISO and plan to be able to estimate those thereafter once we've had a chance to really look at those plans. But reminder there, most of that is going to be beyond the plan horizon as it's in service dates or early 2030s. Okay. Perfect.
spk05: And then, Lloyd, just last thing maybe just for you is the messaging kind of around the data center opportunities and those conversations hasn't really changed since you started to talk about it at the start of this year. I guess, at what point do you think you'll have some level of confidence where some of these discussions you're having can start to kind of be embedded in plan? So as we're thinking about either the growth perspective, the CapEx perspective, because some of your peers have begun to quantify it, you've seen Load numbers tick higher. You've seen some numbers around CapEx opportunities, depending on the size of the DC or the hyperscaler. I guess at what point could we get a little bit more confidence around putting this into the plan? Is EEI kind of the right podium, or are you thinking more like as we get to the back half of this year? Thanks.
spk07: So a little bit of a long-winded answer here. Let me start by saying we're really excited about the data center opportunity. We think it is a significant opportunity to grow the company. we also understand that northern indiana is just a very attractive location for data centers so we we're getting a lot of interest that i talked about in my script you know great public policy indiana passed legislation for sales tax exemption for data centers in 2019 we have great infrastructure in terms of roads access to energy transmission so people are very interested in uh putting data centers and really big data centers in the state of Indiana. What we've been doing is meeting with various stakeholders, and I'm talking about the people from the governor's office, legislators, utility commissioners, and making sure that we understand, you know, in detail what their concerns are and, you know, what needs we need to meet. And I would say probably three important things came up. One is I think data centers have to work for the current customer base. meaning that the customers, our current customer base, can't absorb any excess risk or long-term have any significant strand in investment as a result of this opportunity. Second thing is no compromise in reliability. I think that's really important to all of our constituents and stakeholders. And then for a nice source, it has to work for our shareholders. I mean, this is a big initiative, but if we're going to take risk, it has to be the appropriate amount of reward on the other side of that. so if you think about all those things you said and we talked earlier we have a real strong plan we're going to grow six to eight percent we've actually out executed that growth over the past three years so we feel good about the plan we have with our data center so anything we else anything else we do has to be upside to that plan so with all that being said shard now we are in conversations with the various counterparties i think we're really aligned on all the things that we kind of need to accomplish as a result of those conversations, as a result of trying to get various transactions out about data centers. I think if you start to look for an EEI or later in the year, we'll put out a lot more clarity about what that looks like.
spk05: Okay, perfect. Thanks, Lloyd. That last part was important. Appreciate it.
spk04: Thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Nick Campanella from Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk13: Hey, good morning. Thanks for all the updates.
spk07: Good morning, Nate.
spk13: Hey, so appreciate the comment on 2024 guidance tracking to the high end of the range. Just acknowledging Sean's comments about the visibility in the fiscal 25, the fact that load is already trending 5% in this quarter alone, and then you have more capital coming into the plan. As we kind of extrapolate our models out to 25, 26, just What are the offsets that are keeping you at 7% growth, like the midpoint of that year-over-year 6% to 8% range, or could you be higher? Could you just kind of expand on how we should be thinking about this? Thanks.
spk09: Why don't you take that one? Yeah, sure, Nick. Thanks. Good morning. So, obviously, the headwinds that we always face, a volatile capital markets environment, which we're all experiencing right now, brings uncertainty around financing and the costs associated with financing. So, always a concern for us. Obviously, regulatory outcomes and making sure that we're pathing these investments in line with our stakeholders and keeping customer affordability in mind is always top of mind. in terms of how we'll be able to execute the sequencing of these programs. As you said, one of the things that de-risks the execution of this plan is growth in our customer count volumes and helping to spread some of those costs across a larger base. so right now experiencing some tailwinds but hopefully the economy continues on the path we're on that's helping to enable that growth and we'd love to see that play forward we don't project that growth to always continue so it ends up providing a bit of a tailwind when it does continue to stick and move itself through the plan Those are the major drivers of uncertainty. I would say we are still financing a lot of overall CapEx, especially when we think about the full ownership opportunity of projects at NIPSCO, and a lot of that financing will occur in 2025, and we'll need to be thoughtful about making sure we do that commensurate with the returns that would be required to get us into that 6% to 8% annual year-over-year growth rate.
spk13: Okay, great. And then just... On bill growth specifically, because I know you're keeping affordability in mind here, the current plan targets, I think, 4% or less through 2028. When you factor in the NIPSCO load projections that you kind of talked about, the 11%, and then the capital plan refresh, what's the outlook for bill growth?
spk09: Well, we haven't actually run those analyses just yet as we haven't incorporated the load growth associated with data centers into any of the financial plans. We're still thinking thoughtfully about how that will be reflected and ramp on the customer side for these data centers will matter greatly into the timing of when we would need to incur CapEx or when the systems would come online in the first instance. So we haven't actually run that, but when we talk about that customer affordability, we're focused on the residential customer path and we're focused on keeping residential customer bills at or below that four percent we think that data centers can provide a bit of an upside to the way that our current plan is built in that there will be a sharing of system cost in some level for us to be able to support data centers as they come online but we haven't quantified what that looks like okay no problem and then i guess just one last one for me on the financing side you know um
spk13: As we kind of think about wrapping in additional capital, is there a certain percentage of every dollar of CapEx that you would need additional equity? I know you kind of mentioned modest ATM increases here as you wrap in additional capital, but just wanted to check on that. Thank you.
spk09: Yeah, great question. No, there's no rule of thumb here simply because the cash flow profile for each project really warrants how it would be financed, how much FFO can come off of any given project varies, especially when you think about when the opportunity could be something that has direct flow through at a higher rate than a regulated return just in the form of economic development compared to what we would have to put in to hook on those new customers. That's just an example of where you might be able to get a higher FFO relative to the way the rest of the base plan is Another example would be the tax profile associated with solar, which has created some tailwinds for us. So we need to look at the projects before we can get to the financing and how it would impact equity. It also matters where we're at within the range in any given year of the 14% to 16%. So our commitment is to be thoughtful about the financing and to focus on the lowest cost of capital we can achieve while maintaining our commitment to 14% to 16% of all years of the plan.
spk13: All right. Have a great day. Thank you.
spk09: All right. Thanks, Nick.
spk04: Your next question comes from the line of Julian DeMolin-Smith from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hey, good morning, Tim. How are you guys doing?
spk07: Morning, Julian. Welcome back.
spk10: Thank you so much. Appreciate it, guys. Good to chat. Maybe picking up where Nick left off, I mean, you guys, you know, obviously very keenly focused on bill affordability for your customers, rightly so. Can you talk a little bit about how you think about industrial tariffs for this emerging customer class? I think you guys have been pretty innovative in the past in tackling these kinds of issues with your industrial customer class in previous years. So could this be part of like a subsequent rate case coming up here? Or how would you think about trying to preserve the bill integrity and inflation trajectory for the core customers while enabling and ensuring that these new customers pay their fair share, if you will. I'm just curious on when and how that plays itself out.
spk08: Michael? Thank you, Julian. So, yes, as Lloyd mentioned early on in his comments, the customer protection piece is a critical component associated with it. So we are working through the mechanisms associated with tariffs and other regulatory components that would enable that and be able to do that, to one, be able to provide the customer protections, be able to provide the appropriate allocation of the system associated with it, be able to help ensure the reliability due to the large loads that come in with data centers and the high load factors. We are looking at ways to help make sure that we're doing that in a timely and effective manner to be able to help accomplish the timelines that data centers want associated with their activities. So we want to be very customer-centric on that. But at the same time, as you mentioned, we have found innovative ways to do that in the past, and we continue to look at those innovative ways moving forward. And, you know, we will bring those support, you know, both in the current activities and in future regulatory filings.
spk07: Yeah, and just to add a little bit to that, we're not sure whether or not this is something that we do in a rate case through the regulatory process or through the legislature process. So we're still evaluating those things.
spk10: Got it. And then related, I mean, it goes back to what Nick was asking a little bit, right? You've got this CapEx budget, NIPSCO, roughly $2, $2.5 billion here in the near term. The later years drop off a little bit. How do you think about, you know, the affordability question and the ability to raise CapEx? Said differently, to the extent to which that you see opportunities emerge, could there be some element of deferral through the years? I get that there's sort of a step function lower in 26 as presented, but still given the 4% number. there sort of a need to defer some of the some capex potentially within the nipsco construct here is it not yeah thanks i appreciate that question
spk09: Yeah, I see where you're going with that. I do think there's some offsets to that, right? We do see some O&M tailwinds that can come back to help moderate the bill impact associated with the infrastructure investments. Most notably, there's much lower commodity prices as we move to a platform of 70%, if you will, renewables, which helps stabilize some aspects of the bill for customers. I think as we shut down our coal plants, we have two more units next year that will shut down. That presents an opportunity for lower O&M to flow back to customers. uh project apollo also continues to progress for us it is achieving great results that's helping us stabilize overall onm and while we target that flat onm on an absolute basis we have the potential to see higher onm savings if you will and associated with something like the the shaver shutdown it could be more specific in Indiana to the electric company in those circumstances. So we're thoughtful about it. I think there's opportunities for us to look across the system to grow. And the faster we can grow, obviously, the more we can bring down the cost of that flow to flat O&M on a per-customer basis across the broader network. And that scale across NYSource is something that becomes attractive for all customers, and specifically customers in Indiana, which then benefits from the growth that we're seeing in a state like Ohio or Virginia, which is growing on the gas side and bringing down the cost on a per-customer basis in Indiana.
spk10: Thank you, guys.
spk09: Appreciate it.
spk04: Your next question comes from the line of Dergis Chopra from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
spk12: Hey team, good morning. Congrats on a solid quarter here. I just had one question and that is related to the Pennsylvania Ray case. Melody, thanks for all the color you shared up front. Maybe just a lot of focus, investor focus on the state. You know your pier water utility got a decision where ROE was substantially lower than their previous decision. Just wondering if you could share more color on how things are going there. a potential for a settlement and then how does that timeline look like? Thank you.
spk00: Yes, thank you for the question. You know, we do monitor what is taking place within each of our states with the utilities and, you know, we understand some of the outcomes or the outcomes with the water utility. As far as our rate case, we're continuing, you know, to meet with the stakeholders, all of our interveners. and we are working towards settlement discussion. We don't know if there will be a settlement, but our teams always try to work towards the win-win outcomes for our customers as well as our stakeholders. So at this point, we continue in those discussions, and we will determine if a settlement is possible.
spk12: Okay. That's really all I had. Thanks again.
spk00: Thank you.
spk04: Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hi, good morning. Thank you for your time today. Thank you. Thinking about the large power opportunity through another lens, what type of load growth could you see through Blackstone investment given the partnership at NIPSCO?
spk07: Michael, why don't you take that one?
spk08: So what I would say is, you know, we continue to look at economic development opportunities across our regions. And when we look at those investments and opportunities, obviously our partners are able to share in that within the NIPSCO region associated with it. But really it's the collaboration that we have with our communities that we have associated with our states, with our governmental entities and bringing in that economic development that lead to that investment. Maybe the one thing I would point to relative to potential is as we're going through the current IRP process and working with the different stakeholders on that and walking that through, we have shown in our reference case an incremental 2,600 megawatts of potential as we look through to 2035 associated with that. And we are running through those scenarios and cases now, but that would represent, you know, basically 100% increase to our peak load of the system. So I think that gives a perspective relative to the potential with it. And in that potential is obviously the opportunity for our partners to be able to share in that upside.
spk06: Got it. Thanks. That's helpful commentary. And then similarly, given the Indiana data center tailwinds across the state and your commentary on reliability, do you see any potential for utilities to partner up on generation to upsize new plants? How do you think the state overall might think about ensuring supply to meet new load?
spk07: So we do. I think this is Lloyd. We do see it as an opportunity. We'll work with our peer utilities and also with MISO. We think that's a significant opportunity for efficiencies between the various utilities. And I think it would also make the interconnection agreements on transmission a little bit easier.
spk06: Great. That's all for me. Thank you.
spk04: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Fleischman from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
spk11: Yeah, hey, good morning. Good morning, Steve. Hey, Lloyd. You mentioned this agreement to supply gas to a data center. Could you give a little more color on that? Is that for backup power, or is that to actually... the core power of the data center? Just maybe a little more color on that and whether there might be more of those. Melody, why don't you take that one?
spk00: Yes. That's to provide power to the FINR directly.
spk11: Okay. Okay. And do you see – so basically it's being fueled by gas? fired power, and are you seeing more trends of that happening for your gas business too?
spk07: Yeah, so we don't talk a lot about that, Steve, but one of the opportunities we have, especially in Ohio and Virginia, is the opportunity to build more gas infrastructure to support data centers. So more gas infrastructure, going to generators, provide energy to data centers, building a gas pipeline for us is another opportunity that doesn't show up on our CapEx plan right now. Got it. Okay.
spk11: And maybe just a minute, I know you did this as part of the discussion at the Commission, but remind us a little more of the color between the 2.6 gigawatts, the 8.6 gigawatts, and I think there was a number of like 30 gigawatts, and like how are you defining what these different cases are? Michael?
spk08: So when you look at the IRP, basically what you see is our peak load right now is roughly about 2,300 megawatts associated with it. The 2,600 megawatts that you're seeing was included in the reference case. And the reason that was included in the reference case is because as we're working through with multiple counterparties associated with their interests within the state, we feel like that is a reasonable expectation relative to qualified counterparties and potential, which we want to reflect in our scenarios. Above that, we also then have another 6 gigawatts above that that would be included in scenarios based on not only the potential for data centers that we've seen in interest within the areas, but also what we're seeing in additional economic development and growth just from, you know, baseload capabilities, what we're seeing being on-shoring, what that continues to be developed within our system. So we will run through that reference case, we will run through that scenario case associated with it, and then we will do on top of that, honestly, additional scenarios that allow us to look at different potential outcomes. But the big chunks are that base, you know, where we are today, 2,300 megawatts, 2,600 megawatts added to it, and then 6,000 on top. Okay.
spk11: Okay, just high level, should we think about, I mean, I think about the territory there is just historically the very heavy industry of, you know, have been there in the past and probably a lot of that shut over time. So is there like a lot of excess transmission and sites related to that that just make it particularly, you know, kind of good spot on top of the taxes and all the other stuff? Is that... Is that part of this?
spk08: This is Michael. I'll hit that one as well. But when you look at that Indiana territory, Lloyd hit on many of the attributes. But, yes, I would say when you look at the combination of how it's near to large areas such as Chicago and others that have great fiber runs, you look at our transmission capacity and infrastructure through that part of the territory, it has very strong characteristics associated with it. We have multiple sites that have, you know, 345 KV lines running through them and multiple 345 KV lines, so there's good transmission capacity and opportunity. In addition, you add on top of that that there's accessibility of land as well as water, roads. All those are positive characteristics, but then I would say one of the most beneficial is how the state, the governmental, the economic development activities of those bodies is helping to facilitate the opportunities in the state as well relative to the diversification of tax base load, et cetera. Got it.
spk11: Okay. Thank you.
spk04: question comes from the line of Paul Freeman from Leidenberg. Please go ahead.
spk02: Thank you very much. When I look at the 500 million junior subordinated debt that you issued in May, that should have 50% equity credit, so that's roughly 250 million of equity. Is that included in the 600 million that you sort of identify as part of your ATM? or should we think of that as incremental to the 600?
spk09: Thanks, Paul. This is Sean. I would think about that as incremental to the 600. We're still expecting to issue up to $600 million of ATM equity in 2024 and continue to maintain that balance sheet with $200 to $300 million of ATM equity for each year of the plan thereafter. The use of the junior subordinated notes for us is a diversifier that helps us raise credit quality, potentially giving us even more cushion relative to the downgrade threshold of 13%. It also helps us manage the overall maturity curve that we have long-term on the debt profile of the business.
spk02: So was it just in terms of upsizing then sort of the equity this year, is it just to sort of increase the level of cushion or Was there some, you know, something that changed sort of in the capital spending profile that caused you to sort of increase the amount of equity?
spk09: Yeah, it's a great question. I think it's really more to enhance the cushion that we have in the current year. We've also seen other headwinds come through our plan, such as weather, lower receipts, cash receipts coming from warmer than usual weather in the first quarter, as an example. And you still need to incorporate that into the overall FFO to debt that the rating agencies are asking us to maintain. So it gave us an opportunity to look across the curve and find a different way for us to source that equity content without having to go to a traditional equity marketplace.
spk02: Great. Thank you very much.
spk03: Thank you.
spk04: And that does conclude the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Lloyd Yates, CEO and President, for closing remarks.
spk07: So thank you for your questions. We're excited about the opportunity with NIPSCO. Thank you for your interest and look forward to seeing you guys next quarter.
spk04: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation.
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