4/30/2020

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Operator
Conference Operator

Good day and welcome to the annually first quarter 2020 conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Purvi Kamdar, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Purvi Kamdar
Head of Investor Relations

Good morning and welcome to the first quarter 2020 earnings call for Analy Capital Management Inc. Any forward-looking statements made during today's call are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including with respect to COVID-19 impacts, which are outlined in the risk factors section in our most recent annual and quarterly SEC filings. Actual events and results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. We encourage you to read the disclaimer in our earnings release in addition to our quarterly and annual filings. Additionally, the content of this conference call may contain time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date hereof. We do not undertake and specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise this information. During this call, we may present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in our earnings relief. As a reminder, Annaly routinely posts important information for investors on the company's at www.analy.com. Content referenced in today's call can be found in our first quarter 2020 investor presentation and first quarter 2020 financial supplement, both found under the presentation section of our website. Analy intends to use our webpage as a means of disclosing material, non-public information for complying with the company's disclosure obligations under Regulation SP and to post and update investor presentations and similar materials on a regular basis. Annaleigh encourages investors, analysts, the media, and others to monitor the company's website in addition to following Annaleigh's press releases, SEC filings, public conference calls, presentations, webcasts, and other information it posts from time to time on its website. Please note this event is being recorded. Participants on this morning's call include David Finkelstein, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer, Serena Wolfe, Chief Financial Officer, Mike Fania, , Tim Gallagher , Tim Coffey , and Ilker Ertas . And with that, I'll turn the call over to David.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Porvy, and good morning, everyone. Since we last spoke on our market update call on March 16th, we've seen the COVID-19 pandemic spread rapidly. We would like to again extend our deepest sympathies to those directly impacted by the virus, and we hope everyone joining us for the call today continues to stay healthy. Keep ourselves, our families, and communities safe. Annaleigh continues to work remotely until it is appropriate for us to return to the office. We are grateful to have had well-established business continuity planning in place prior to this crisis to ensure the well-being of our staff without disruption to our operations. Now, on today's call, I'll briefly provide an update on the market and how we managed our portfolio during the extreme volatility in March. Then leaders of each credit business will go through their respective portfolios. Serena will discuss the financials, and I will follow up with our positioning and outlook going forward. Now, as the COVID-19 outbreak wreaked havoc on financial markets and the economy, we witnessed the Fed and Congress intervene in unprecedented ways. The Fed has enacted policy stimulus at a record pace, announcing larger and broader-based measures than during the 2008 financial crisis. They reduced the policy rate to the zero lower bound, provided ample liquidity in repo and U.S. dollar swap markets, conducted record asset purchases in treasuries and MBS, and established lending facilities to support a broad array of markets. To contextualize the sheer magnitude of the Fed's actions, its balance sheet has grown by more than 50% in the past six weeks. These measures have helped support financial markets and should prove beneficial for the economic recovery once we find ourselves on the other side of the virus.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Congress has now passed four rounds of fiscal stimulus measures with more than 10% of US GDP. We believe that the extraordinary steps that policymakers have taken to address the problems have been and will continue to be effective in normalizing markets and the economy. But this will require patience given the magnitude of the virus impact. Now turning to markets in our portfolio specifically, I'll begin with the agency market. The liquidity vacuum we experienced in March was akin to the financial crisis, but it was the velocity of the risk-off move that was most notable. Normal trading relationships among asset classes almost instantly decoupled, volatility spiked, and spreads gaps substantially wider. Specified pools were particularly impacted as pay-ups went from all-time highs as the market approached an impending refi wave Thank you for joining us today. In fact, throughout January and February, in addition to a modest outright reduction in NC assets, we were shifting out of generic pools into lower coupon TVAs, such that one-third of our reduction in our pool portfolio came prior to the volatility we experienced in March. We reduced our leverage over the quarter from 7.2 times to 6.8 times in order to preserve capital amidst the erratic price action. The decline in our portfolio by over $28 billion over the course of Q1 was largely driven by sales of generic, non-story collateral. And the composition of our pool portfolio improved as a result of these decisions. Percentage of what we define as, quote, quality specified pools now represents 85% of our portfolio, up from 69% in the prior quarter, with the remainder made up of seasoned collateral. The shift in portfolio makeup has proven prudent thus far as specified pools have had a strong rebound in the second quarter with the average pay up on our portfolio improving by nearly a point since quarter end. Looking forward in an environment with uncertainty around housing and prepays, we are confident that our portfolio is better positioned to perform throughout a range of different outcomes. Of additional note, vigorous Fed actions have dramatically improved the technical landscape for MBS. Net supply to private investors was forecasted to be roughly $500 billion at the start of the year, but with the Fed pivoting from runoff mode to becoming the largest buyer in the market, the net supply outlook for 2020 has turned sharply negative. The impact of Fed purchases has tightened spreads and reduced volatility meaningfully, while settlements will continue to clean up the TDA float benefiting role markets. In addition, repo financing remains ample for the product as it was even during the height of the volatility in March. Fed actions serve as a tailwind for the entire sector both on the asset and financing side and thus we are very constructive on agency going forward. Now regarding our hedging activity, In light of the significant rally in rates, we took proactive steps throughout the quarter to manage the contraction in the duration of our portfolio. First, we exited our Treasury futures positions prior to the widening in swap spreads that occurred at the end of the quarter. Second, we added receiver swaptions at the beginning of the quarter, which proved effective in managing the sharp decrease in duration in our agency assets in March. We were able to exercise or exit many of these options at a notable gain and continue to deploy more option-based hedges given the cheapening in volatility that has occurred thus far this quarter. Adding these options is a beneficial way to manage the risk of longer-term rates moving higher further out the horizon. And finally, we extended the hedges further out the curve as front-end hedges offer little value now that the Fed has anchored short-term rates at the zero lower bound. As a consequence, the decline in our swap portfolio is primarily attributable to the reduction in short-term swaps, in turn, extending the average maturity and lowering the notional amount of our hedges. Our decision over the past few quarters to keep most of our swaps in LIBOR-based hedges benefited the portfolio as LIBOR widened meaningfully above overnight rates throughout the latter part of the quarter. However, we expect the spread to normalize as we have seen in similar widening episodes and feel comfortable heading into the second quarter with the majority of our swaps now in OIS. Shifting to the credit side, while no portfolio is immune to the impacts of the pandemic, we feel we are positioned to withstand current volatility given the composition of our portfolios and the relatively low leverage across our businesses. Our cautious view on the economic cycle and credit pricing over the past number of quarters has somewhat mitigated our exposure to high data products. We are pleased with the conservative stance our residential and commercial teams have taken with respect to credit quality, as well as the strategic approach that our middle market lending business has taken as their focus has been on financing non-discretionary, non-cyclical companies where the vast majority of the portfolio is invested in essential businesses. Our origination and underwriting teams across all three credit teams have been focused on actively monitoring our existing loans and maintaining close contact with our borrowers and sponsors as the impact of the virus continues to play out. And now with that, I will hand it over to Mike to begin with the residential credit sector.

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Mike Fania
Head of Residential Credit

Thank you, David. The residential credit market, similar to the broader fixed income and equity markets, experienced significant disruption in late 2001. as the downstream impact to the economy due to the COVID-19 virus became increasingly apparent. Residential credit spreads started to widen in the second week of March with significant asset price decline and liquidity temporarily evaporating from the market. Credit markets were extremely turbulent over the following two weeks given a vicious cycle of deleveraging, margin calls, forced liquidations, and redemption concerns as technicals weighed on asset prices. Similar to the broader credit markets, the resi market began to stabilize with spreads moving tighter in early April as sports deleveraging subsided and market participants turned to evaluate assets upon fundamental value. Most sectors within the resi market, while tightening significantly from mid to late March, still remain wider than pre-virus levels. For context, AAA Prime Jumbo spreads, trading in the low to 100s to swap pre-virus, touched 600 to 650 to swaps at the wides before tightening in to the low-mid 200s currently. New Origination CRTM2s trading at par dollar price pre-virus hit mid-high 50s at the lows and are currently trading in the low 70s dollar prices. The non-agency legacy market, generally a source of stability trading in the low-mid 100s to swap pre-virus, hit 10% yields before stabilizing in the 4.5% to 5% yield area. The new origination non-agency whole loan market also experienced significant disruption as securitization was no longer accretive or viable and market participants repriced assets given industry-wide forbearance policies and economic disruption. This in turn forced a number of non-agency aggregators and originators to close their operations, stop accepting new locks, and being forced to liquidate holdings on warehouse facilities. Moving to our portfolio, we priced two securitizations in January and February, OBX 2020 INV1 and OBX 2020 EXP1, with total deal sizes of $375 million and $468 million, respectively. Those transactions priced at a weighted average cost of funds of $133 and $105 the swaps, with Analy retaining approximately $110 million market value of securities across those two deals. and Emily has now securitized 10 residential whole loan transactions since 2018 representing our discipline and commitment in obtaining term non-mark-to-market financing. The economic risk of our residential credit portfolio ended the quarter at approximately $2.6 billion down from $3.9 billion at the end of Q4 given the aforementioned whole loan securitizations, paydowns and targeted security sales consistent with the deleveraging of the agency portfolio. Turning to the residential whole loan portfolio, we ended Q1 with approximately $1.3 billion of economic risk. The loan portfolio is conservatively positioned as it consists of 100% first lien new origination collateral with strong credit characteristics, including a weighted average 762 original FICO, 67% original LTV, and a 37% DTI. Layered risk within traditional credit metrics is also minimal within the portfolio as less than 1% of our loans have an original FICO less than 700 and original LTV greater than 80%. At quarter end, our residential securities portfolio sat at approximately $1.3 billion with $530 million of those holdings representing positions in our OBX securitizations. Similar to our whole loan portfolio, we believe our securities portfolio is conservatively positioned with 55% of our assets and many more. In addition to the strength and conservatism of our portfolio, Annaly's presence as a programmatic securitization issuer, the ability to transact in either securities or whole loans and the current lack of a legacy operating platform puts Annaly in a new Thank you for joining us today.

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Ilker Ertas
Head of Commercial Credit

and Shelter in Place Orders. Hospitality and retail saw an immediate impact on operating performance. Initial data from multifamily office and industrial are better, but even these more stable asset classes are not immune to near full economic shutdown. Commercial credit spread started to widen in the second week of March in line with other credit markets, and certain CRE market participants such as money managers, REITs, and hedge funds were forced to raise cash due to fund outflows, margin calls and redemptions. By the third week of March, several mortgage REITs and other funds could not satisfy margin calls, prompting them to seek forbearance with lenders while some vehicles were liquidated altogether, adding to pressure on spreads through these forced liquidations. Similar to the broader credit markets, the liquid commercial credit markets began to stabilize with spreads moving tighter in early April as forced deleveraging subsided. While AAA paper has significantly tightened from its March wides, credit continues to languish without a clear buyer base or financing option. In addition, servicers' ability to ramp up staffing, their liquidity to provide advances, and their assessment of special servicing and workout fees continue to be top of mind in industry discussions. According to research reports, more than 2,600 CRE borrowers totaling nearly $50 billion in loans have requested forbearance as of the end of March. This backlog will be an ongoing headwind to existing credit bonds in the CNBS market. The new origination market remains largely frozen as market participants await further clarity on the macroeconomic impact of the disruptions and the resulting direct impact on the commercial property sector. The uncertainty has shut down debt fund lending as their existing financing execution remains unknown and the new issue CRE CLO market is closed. Warehouse counterparties are either on hold or have had to adjust pricing and haircut so materially that new direct lending is largely absent. Balance sheet lenders such as banks and insurance companies are focusing on their existing portfolios as forbearance requests have swamped institutions that have significant CRE exposure. Turning to our portfolio, prior to the dislocation, we had originated three whole loans in the quarter for a total of $172 million to bring the overall CRE portfolio to approximately $3 billion in assets with a billion of economic risk. We continue to maintain more than $1.2 billion of unused capacity on our term warehouse facilities, and the majority of our loan portfolio is financed through a term non-recourse, non-mark-to-market CRE CLO we issued in February 2019. As of payment dates in April, across both our loan and securities portfolios, we received 47 out of 50 payments. Our CMBS portfolio is mostly comprised of industrial, multifamily, and office assets, as we chose to invest primarily in the single asset, single borrower market where we could underwrite each asset. Moreover, underlying loans and single asset, single borrower transactions are the larger sponsors and are secured by higher quality, stabilized real estate. Finally, our equity portfolio is comprised of need-based real estate, including grocery-anchored shopping centers, health care, and net-lease assets financed with long-term fixed-rate loans. Our portfolio is positioned with a focus on strong sponsorship, a premium on cash flow, and executable business plans and best-in-class operating partners. We have a dedicated in-house asset management and legal team. and the leadership of the CRE business have been through multiple CRE cycles dating back to the 90s. Prior to the dislocation, the portfolio was performing according to our business plan and we expect the vast majority of our assets to weather the storm and rebound when the economy reopens. And with that, I'll hand it off to Tim Coffey, Head of Credit.

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Thanks, Tim. As a reminder, the middle market effort was the first of the firm's three credit strategies to reside on Annaly's balance sheet. with the arrival of the group's current leadership team in 2010. At the time, the firm's founders, Mike Farrell and Wellington Denahan, sought professionals in the middle market space with a solid track record not just through the 2007 to 2009 period, but over multiple cycles. Today, Analy Middle Market is a $2.3 billion business comprised of 51 borrowers that are 100% backed by top-tier private equity sponsors. Despite recent volatility and heightened uncertainty, we believe the Annaly middle market portfolio is uniquely positioned, given our tightly wound approach to a narrow industry set, dedication to private equity firms with well-established track records aligned to our industry set, and deep first-order due diligence. I cannot emphasize enough, we do not compromise on due diligence. The composition of the middle market portfolio is 70% first liens, 30% second liens. The number of borrowers in the portfolio and our percentage mix between first and second lien has not changed materially over the past two years. The group's asset expansion has been driven by growth from within our portfolio across multiple vintage investment years, as opposed to the rapid addition of new borrowers. Much like how we handled past periods of intense convergence in the loan marketplace, and I can assure you the past three or four years were as intense as any period we have seen. We tackle this convergence by pruning. We prune the number of industries to which we are willing to lend from 16 to eight over the past four years and correspondingly we culled the number of private equity sponsors with whom we partner to better align with the sectors we believe are counter-cyclical, non-discretionary and defensive. consequently reduced the number of our Tier 1 private equity relationships by almost two-thirds since 2010. This careful, concentrated approach has resulted in the aforementioned borrower count remaining virtually static for two years. We readily admit our pruning was quite early. However, the middle market loan space is illiquid in the best of times. Consequently, pruning must come early in our view. In addition, the middle market group has always been a peer-play direct lending business. Every dollar of our $2.3 billion book is a direct loan with no exposure to securities or securitizations. We use very little third-party non-recourse leverage, as our past disclosures indicate. This did not change in the first quarter of 2020, and each of our three primary financing counterparties have been consistent with their approach since the relationships were initiated. On average, each of our term facilities maintain a maturity of at least 4.6 years out from today. We have not experienced a change in value adjustment on the portfolio for quarter end, nor in the days subsequent to quarter end. As it relates to the specifics of the portfolio, the weighted average unlevered return of the first lien book is approximately 7.6% fully floating. The weighted average unlevered return of the second lien book is approximately 11.2%. Yielding an amalgamated, unlevered return for the portfolio of approximately 8.8% fully floating. In addition to the modest third-party leverage of 0.7 times I referenced previously, we are also differentiated in the underlying leverage profiles of our investments. The weighted average detachment point through our first lien exposure is approximately 4.6 times EBITDA, and the weighted average detachment point across the book is approximately 5.1 times EBITDA. While this weighted average detachment point is comparatively low, it reflects the substantial free cash flow generation inside our second lien exposures specifically, whereby our second lien leveraged today reflects in many instances where first liens was originally executed at those deals inception. Consequently, we are comforted against spread duration risk. This point is further amplified by a portfolio aggregated across past integers with short effective durations, 21 months on the first lien and counterintuitively 20 months on the second lien. The earlier mention of a static portfolio borrower account further illustrates this point as asset growth from existing borrowers is accompanied by required lender consent and support. mitigating against spread duration risk. Lastly, 85% of our portfolio is comprised of new cash equity transactions. To clarify, where new cash equity comes in to buy a business with median equity contributions representing 44% of the capital structure underneath us. Moving to portfolio fundamentals. The fundamentals of the portfolio have in many respects been aided through the month of March due to the mission-critical nature of our underlying borrowers. 90% of Analy's middle market group exposure resides within industries and borrowers categorized as essential under federal guidelines, enabling these borrowers to continue operations. Further, an additional 9% of our aggregate exposure, not deemed essential, has operated unimpeded and grown through the month of March. We proactively have been in contact with all 51 borrowers in our portfolio and received one interest forbearance request on a $14 million first lien exposure. Interestingly, $153 million of the $222 million we have categorized under our quarter end watch list witnessed considerable benefit in March, given the nature of these borrowers' operations, and we suspect that should continue in the coming months. As you will hear from Serena, the middle market group's loans are classified as held to maturity level three and subject to recently imposed CECL reserves. Reserves taken in this quarter alone are multiples of what the middle market group's cumulative actual losses have been over our nine and a half years at Analy. We are certainly concerned with the prospects of deteriorating fundamentals and its potential impact on the middle market space generally. Not surprisingly, a variety of influencers now stifle new issue activity with the exception of a few select industries that have been sources of opportunities for Analy in the past. These select industries are currently well represented in our middle market portfolio and likely to expand going forward. Trends within the CLO market portend difficulty on the larger end of the middle market, both new issue and secondary. The volume of amendments, forbearance requests, and workout activity in a condensed period generates a supply to personnel imbalance without precedent in a market that is now operating with a non-bank majority in charge. This signifies a prolonged reduction in new issue for the traditional middle market. We are very cautious about secondary market participation, although very narrow opportunity sets do exist. Given Annaly Middle Market's biases, which mandate intensive due diligence, as I mentioned earlier, we expect our involvement will be weighted toward primary both new issue and tack-on acquisition activity alike. Wider pricing will certainly accompany these lower levered transactions. In wrapping up, it can be said unequivocally, the middle market group will be as measured as we have been in our nine and a half years at Hanley. And for many of us individually, that caution has been a staple of our behavior in our prior 15, 20, 25 years before joining Hanley. I know that our experienced team will continue to execute a defined strategy shared by a group with an entrenched credit culture and no turnover since formation. With that, I will turn it over to Sarita.

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Serena Wolfe
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. I'm sure you all agree with me after that overview that we have the best team in the business. I'm pleased to join you today for this earnings call and provide you with color on our financial results and the success of our remote close. I will provide brief financial highlights for the quarter ended March 31st, 2020 and and while our earnings release discloses both GAAP and non-GAAP core results, I will be focusing this morning primarily on our core results and related metrics, all excluding PAA. As David mentioned earlier, given the great shutdown, the latter part of Q1 was challenging. However, we are proud of the results given the enormous headwinds that management and the company faced as we closed out the quarter. Our book value per share was $7.50 for the first quarter, a 22.4% decrease from 2019 year end. And we generated core earnings per share excluding PAA of 21 cents for the quarter and a gap net loss of $2.57 as compared to 26 cents and 82 cents for the fourth quarter of 2019. The decrease in book value is attributable to the increase in unrealized losses on the SWAPS portfolio of approximately 3.2 billion. due to lower forward rates compared to a gain of $778 million in the prior quarter, as well as higher unrealized losses on instruments measured at fair value through earnings of $730 million down from losses of $6 million in the prior quarter, which is offset by unrealized gains in OCI of $997 million from our agency portfolio. It is important to note that the vast majority of our assets and liabilities are at fair value and our book value reduction illustrates the significant market disruption that occurred prior to quarter end and the impact on fair value measures. Our book value decline was not a function of forced asset sales, but rather unrealized mark-to-market losses with potential fall recruitment. Kim Gallagher and Tim Coffey provided an update to our ACREG and MML businesses earlier and the impact of COVID-19 on their portfolios. Given the market turmoil and uncertainty around the long-term economic picture, it was certainly an interesting quarter to adopt the CECL standards. We recorded reserves associated with our credit businesses of $139.6 million during Q1, consisting of $39.6 million of opening balance CECL reserves and $100 million of additional reserves during the quarter, primarily resulting from the impacts of COVID-19 on our borrowers, of that being $62 million, or more general reserves related to forecasts for a deterioration in economic conditions of 38 million. In totality, these reserves comprise 3.7% of our ACREG and MML portfolios loans as of March 31st, 2020. As we've discussed on previous earning calls, we have implemented an extensive process to determine appropriate reserves to the ACREG and MML businesses, which includes developing policies, systems and controls, including the use of two third-party models. We have found that the key inputs into the CECL model that have material impacts on the reserve are the credit attributes of the loan, life of the loan driven by prepayments, and the economic scenarios, with the latter representing a considerable challenge given variability in data this quarter. We spent additional time with the businesses analysing the results of the reserve calculations and ensuring it's consistent with our expectations given the quality of the portfolio and the performance of the borrowers. The full impact of the shutdown to the economy is yet to be seen and we will continue to monitor specific asset performance and economic projections as we determine future CECL reserves. We view it to be critical in the current environment to consider the adverse economic scenarios available in this process and we remain comfortable with our existing credit portfolios even given the thoughtful approach outlined by the ACREC and MML business leaders. It should also be noted that our residential credit businesses have elected fair value accounting, and thus the entirety of that portfolio is recorded in market value, including our whole loan holdings, consistent with the vast majority of our assets. Turning to earnings, the largest factors quarter over quarter to core earnings, excluding PAA, were higher premium amortization on agency investment securities on 41.9 billion of agency security sales. as well as lower average balances on our credit portfolio. However, Core did benefit from a reduction in financing costs with lower average repo rates down to 1.77% from 2.10% combined with lower average repo balances down to 96.8 billion from 102.8 billion. We expect continued reduction in financing costs with a repo rate of 1.23% at quarter end. The portfolio generated 118 basis points of NIM down from Q4 of 141 basis points, driven primarily by a decrease in coupons from lower average interest earning asset balances and the increase in premium amortization that I mentioned a moment ago. Analyzed core return on average equity, including PIA, was 9.25% for the quarter in comparison to 10.56% for fourth quarter 2019. There will be many factors at play over the next quarter with respect to expectations for unemployment, forbearance and other issues being experienced by the mortgage market that will likely mute prepayments relative to what we would otherwise expect given the low rate environment. The change in our efficiency metrics relative to Q4 2019 being 1.98% of equity for the first quarter was primarily driven by our reduction in equity rather than any material increase in operating expenses. Also to note, our internalization transaction is on track and we expect to close by the end of the second quarter. Annaly was able to weather the storm from this dislocation and end the quarter with an excellent liquidity profile due to our high-quality asset composition across the businesses, our strong repo counterparty relationships and reputation, our broad diversity of financing arrangements, and the ability to tactically utilize our broker-dealer Acola for incremental liquidity. While numerous firms experienced difficulties meeting margin calls and other funding disruptions, the stability and resiliency of our funding sources was on display as our repo funding operations were uninterrupted. We continued to have good access to repo financing and our direct lending businesses did not experience any meaningful funding pressures with term facilities. To protect the health and well-being of our employees, their families and communities, Remote work requirements began in phases in early March, culminating with a company-wide exercise on March 13, 2020, to test connectivity and functionality. All employees were able to successfully perform their duties in this testing, and we have operated remotely since that time. As a result, we completed our quarter close remotely without any interruption or significant changes to our normal processes or controls, resulting from remote work requirements. This is a testament to the quality of our personnel, processes and IT systems. Finally, I would like to acknowledge David for stepping into the role seamlessly and uncharted waters. Despite the backdrop, he has demonstrated incredible poise and character throughout this time and we're all thankful of his leadership. Challenging times can bring people together and we as a management team have cemented strong relationships in a short time and we look forward to brighter horizons and continuing to bring value to our stakeholders. and so in conclusion with that, I'll turn over to David who will provide commentary on our outlook and positioning.

speaker
David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Serena. And we hope the relatively deeper dive into the credit businesses this quarter proves informative in light of current market conditions. Now, as with any period of extreme market volatility, there are three conceptual stages of stabilization and recovery as it relates to how we manage our portfolio. Phase one involves preserving capital, insuring up liquidity, which we have successfully completed this through the measures I have already discussed. In phase two, which is how I would characterize where we are currently, there are opportunities to deploy capital in the agency sector while we obtain more information on the long-term outlook on the economy. We are looking forward to transitioning from a defensive posture to a more offensive one, But dislocations and constrained liquidity do persist, and as a levered participant, we must remain focused on the stability of financing available for our investments, and agency MBS currently provides the most surety. And even as the Fed shifts to a more measured QE pace aimed at lowering mortgage rates and economic stability, the agency sector will continue to benefit. We view the outlook for volatility to be lower and with easier regulations to facilitate dealer intermediation in the treasury market, market functioning should continue to stabilize. While a great deal of uncertainty remains, the environment for managing interest rate and convexity risk is much more favorable heading into the second quarter. Now, phase three, which we believe is near, involves strategically allocating capital to best position the company in a new environment. As we look ahead, we will benefit from having numerous ways to capitalize on the dislocations across markets, and those with ample capital will have many opportunities to choose from, and we sit in a healthier liquidity position today than we have over the past few quarters. There will be abundant prospects across our businesses, which again highlights the benefit of our model as we are able to most optimally balance the best risk-adjusted returns available. Episodes of extreme volatility, as witnessed in March, are pivotal moments for the growth of Analy and our team. We have reaffirmed the principal ways in which we've always managed our business. Liquidity is paramount. Scale is critical. And relationships matter immensely, particularly on the financing side. And lastly, we have been of the view that historical leverage levels for our sector are elevated. and we expect them to decline in the coming quarters, which is not specific just to the agency market. And lastly, I wanted to thank our team. I had the honor of stepping into this role as the world as we had all known it turned upside down. Our team has truly worked tirelessly and collaboratively to successfully manage the unprecedented markets we have experienced. The NLE culture has been a bright light amidst the turmoil and I'm excited for what is ahead for our firm. And now with that, we can open up the call for questions, operator.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. At this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble the rock. And our first question today comes from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities.

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Steve Delaney
Analyst, JMP Securities

Please go ahead. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Boy, it was great to hear from each of the individual credit heads, given the environment we're in right now. And I would say you all came across sounding very comfortable with what you own today. I guess the question that raises is your posture towards credit generally as a team. A lot of people seem to be running from the hills to the hills because they, I think, more because of financing weaknesses. But do you see this as more, over the next six to nine months, more an issue of managing what you have and minimizing losses, or do you actually see potential opportunities from the dislocations that have occurred? Thanks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Hi, Steve. This is David. Hello, David. Good to hear from you, Steve. and thank you for your comments on the credit businesses in terms of the more informative approach. We did want to make sure that everybody understands exactly how these businesses are operating and the portfolios are performing. And to your question, you know, there obviously is a lot of uncertainty still remaining with respect to how the economy and credit evolves. As I said in my prepared comments, agency is the core of the portfolio. That does represent the best shelter in the storm here. And the sector is obviously quite attractive. Now, with respect to credit going forward, each of our three credit businesses very likely will have opportunities. You know, there's three components of of the repricing of credit that we've experienced and are experiencing. There's a technical cheapening, which we saw in March when there was overhang in resi credit and some commercial assets. There's the fundamental component of price, which is still yet to be determined. And then there's a risk premium. Given the uncertainty, to what extent are you just getting compensated for bearing more variability in return? So we kind of think we're beyond The technical component, now we're figuring out the fundamental price and credit and whether it's warranted given current pricing and what kind of risk premiums we should expect to achieve for making these investments. And so there is still work to be done and we have to have more information. But the way I would characterize it is, you know, Starting with the residential credit business, when we started the year, we felt that that would be a growth area given the fundamentals of the residential landscape. We still think it will be a growth area. There's obviously been a dislocation and loan origination is confined to prime jumbo pristine loans and the GSEs, and there's been a little bit of a drop. Thank you for joining us. Our middle market lending business, as Tim discussed, that we believe will perform admirably through this and will be differentiated from other businesses in the middle market lending space. And so we do anticipate more opportunity and we have the liquidity of the REIT. to potentially add assets if it's warranted. But again, we still need to figure it out. With respect to the commercial sector, I will say that the focus over the near term is going to be a little bit more on the asset management side. But it is from an economic interest standpoint, it is the smallest business or has been the smallest business in our credit industry. Allocation, and we've been very conservative both with respect to allocating capital as well as the assets that we've acquired. So I think we're kind of waiting in the wings here. We will see shortly how pricing really shapes out. And if we think it's cheap relative to the fundamentals and the risk premium, we don't have a problem allocating capital. But in the meantime, agency is the shelter in the storm.

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Steve Delaney
Analyst, JMP Securities

Understood and super helpful. And just one question on that is your favorable early 2020 outlook for residential based on the strength of the housing market, etc. Obviously, we don't have a securitization market today. We'll see if the Fed adds AAA, RMBS to TALF. But are you Thank you very much.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

I think seeing that execution will give more comfort that there is liquidity to banks, but I will also say that we're starting to see some aspect of warehouse lines actually open up. It's at a higher cost, but nonetheless, we're at a point now a month out of the real Thank you. And our next question comes from Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Market. Please go ahead.

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Ken Lee
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Wondering if you could just share with us any updated thoughts on your current dividend coverage. Thanks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Sure. So thanks for joining us today, Ken. You know, we will have more formal guidance at a point in the future with respect to the dividend. What I will say is We recognize there certainly have been cuts in the sector and we're aware of the guidance that analysts have come out with. What I can tell you is that we do expect to maintain a competitive dividend yield. relative to peers, which has been in the low double digits over the past number of years on book value. So we're comfortable with conveying our competitiveness of our dividend yield. And we really want to spend the time over the very near term and not just look at the second quarter, but look at multiple quarters out and determine what we think the appropriate dividend yield is. Obviously, our core was a little bit lower in Q1, and as Serena mentioned, there was some catch-up amortization associated with asset sales that dragged that down a bit. We do expect our quarter to be a touch higher in the second quarter, and we'll have more formal guidance with respect to the dividend later in the quarter.

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Ken Lee
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, very helpful. And just one follow-up, if I may, this one just on the middle markets lending business. Is there any potential benefit or do you see any potential benefit from any of the various Federal Reserve lending programs for the portfolio companies within that business?

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thanks. I'll turn it over to Tim to answer that.

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Yeah, I think, you know, as it relates to the variety of programs that are out there, I think given where we play, we're less influenced. by what goes on with a lot of those programs as they have been contemplated today. Certainly the one area that has not been a part of a lot of these programs has been leveraged loans. You certainly have seen it on the AAA CLO side where they have announced some action. But I think, long story short, we are certainly not banking on it. I don't think we need to bank on it. and I think as it relates to the AAA CLO portion of it, I think the benefit there is probably ultimately going to be outweighed by the fact that the CECL I think is going to have a more profound effect ultimately on how things get priced off of the cheapest aspect of the capital stack and the cheapest form of prime brokerage activity that feeds and the entire ecosystem and leverage lending.

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Ken Lee
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Very helpful. Appreciate it. That's it for me and hope everyone stays safe. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks, Ken. And our next question comes from Rick Shane with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

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Rick Shane
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions and I hope everybody's well. A couple things. I don't know if I missed it. Did you provide a quarter-to-date update on book value at this point?

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

I haven't, Rick, but I will tell you as of yesterday, our book was up roughly 7%, right around $8. Our leverage has declined modestly, primarily as a consequence of higher equity value. We are right now at about 6.6 times, maybe 6.5 times. and our liquidity is $5 billion in terms of cash and agency MBS.

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Rick Shane
Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thank you for that update. And we really appreciate the deeper dives into the credit businesses and wanted to follow up a little bit on the MML business. Look, your competition in that space to some extent has some very different constraints. they're subject to fair value accounting versus your CECL reserves. They typically have hard leverage limits related to their 40-act status. I am curious if you are seeing any sort of arbitrage created by those differences and also wanted to talk a little bit about the 3.7% CECL reserve in the context potentially of some of the and many more, spread widening that we've seen in the space that will impact fair value accounting companies.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Well, this is David. I'll start and then hand it over to Tim with respect to the CECL accounting on the middle market book. I think, you know, when Tim went through the metrics and the portfolio upper A's yield with the detachment point at 5.1 times EBITDA, we feel like that is a very comfortable level, you know, from our and many more. So, from the standpoint of fair value on the MMO book, I think we feel pretty good about it. And I'll hand it off to Tim.

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Yeah, Rick, I think just as it pertains to us, which is the first part of your question, I walked through where we were with our watch list categorization names, which is approximately 220 million bucks, you know, 150 million of that number. The borrowers actually experienced some substantial growth in the month of March. So clearly an outlier for the names that one would consider to be the most sensitive to everything that's been going on. But March was a very productive month for a large portion of those watch list names. So I think what we try to marry up are the fundamental aspects of the portfolio, coupled with what you're ultimately describing the spread duration issue that certainly goes into any FBO calculation. I will tell you I think the middle market space generally speaking has been largely and most of them systematically not particularly concerned with spread duration risk because it's something that hadn't been in its head. for basically seven or eight years until Q4 of 2018 when it first hit. And then obviously with this most recent bout beginning in Q1 of 16, Rick, we became very, very focused on that. And I think Dave, David spelled out the numbers and the attachment points. But I think the real telling one is as it relates to our effective durations. You know, we carry a second lien book that's got a shorter effective duration. than our first lien book, which is a clear anomaly, but it's also a function of the types of credits that we play in. And so we've been very, very conscious of spread duration risk. Unfortunately, I think 99% of the space is not particularly concerned with it, and you only really find out until you have periods like today. So certainly, I think How people are going to have to assess that is going to be a big part of the FBO calculations and prospectively potentially the hits. I would also tell you that where you play is very, very important in terms of how you manage effective duration risk. And so when you take a look at our book, I think one of the things that does stand out is the fact that we have shifted our focus over the last two or three years to more leader range opportunities that are sub 50, sub 60 of EBITDA and they tend to be platform investments where sponsors are rolling up a specific space and they have to come back to us to obviously ultimately complete any prospective acquisition opportunities. And that allows us the optionality to either, the binary optionality to either stay in the deal or ultimately exit stage left commensurate with any prospective acquisition opportunity. And so that particular segment has really been the most powerful thing that we've strategically done to mitigate spread duration risk.

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Rick Shane
Analyst, JPMorgan

Tim, that's very helpful and it really does come through. I apologize to my colleagues listening, but I am going to ask one last question. Can you just talk about LIBOR floors on that portfolio and is the benchmark rate for those investments three-month LIBOR?

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Borrowers have an option, Rick, basically one, three, six, etc. Since the crisis, the 12-month option has been less relevant in a lot of the underlying credit agreements. We do have live war floors on our portfolio with approximately 80% of our book has a live war floor. How we are financed, our counterparties with us on the third party leverage side do not have live war floors with us. So there is a bit of an arm there. And I think as it relates to the one three month option, what I can tell you is recently the trend has been to the overwhelming majority being at the one month end.

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Rick Shane
Analyst, JPMorgan

Makes sense. Thank you guys very much.

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

You bet.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thanks, Rick.

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Operator
Conference Operator

And our next question comes from Eric Hagan with KBW. Please go ahead.

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Eric Hagan
Analyst, KBW

Hey. Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys, and hope you're well. And, hey, David, I enjoyed the interview on the website.

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Oh, thanks.

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Eric Hagan
Analyst, KBW

Following up on the adjustments in the hedge book, all in, are you guys running a positive duration gap right now? And what's the message you think for investors with respect to the spread and duration exposure they can expect to receive right now in Analy going forward? Yeah.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Sure, it's a good question. So to the first question, the duration we are running right now is a half a year as of this morning, 0.54 years. And the message I think we would convey is that it's not the quantity of hedges, it's the quality. You know, with the Fed clearly in play for the foreseeable future in terms of policy accommodation, we don't expect short-race hedges. Thank you for joining us. is to make sure that we had protection out the curve to the extent that the market became somewhat complacent and we did see a bit of a sell-off in the longer end just given the fact that there is going to be a lot of treasury issuance and oftentimes we think the Fed is providing a put option on the market. They're not always doing that. and so we wanted to make sure that our hedges were out the curve because you know like in the summer of 2013 which we all remember in those types of episodes where the market gets tripped up you can't see a meaningful sell-off and a steepening curve so that's where we felt the most risk was I think the average life is a little over nine years on the hedge book and you know our assets are much shorter and that brings our duration down to about a half a year and if anything we would we would shorten the duration a little bit more potentially and and we're also a little bit more inclined to use options here just given that volatility has come all the way back to the levels in January and we think that's a worthwhile investment. When the tails get cheap, you want to buy them and so we have added a number of payer swap options out of the money payer swap options to the portfolio as well in the second quarter.

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Eric Hagan
Analyst, KBW

Thanks for that market color. That was great. And just one on prepays. Some people think we're effectively just kicking the can down the road, so to speak, because of the operational liquidity challenges that have obviously made mortgage spreads and rates very wide right now. Does your prepay assumption assume some normalization in mortgage spreads and mortgage rates? And just help us contextualize the prepay assumption. I think it would be really useful. Thanks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Yeah. Are you talking about the longer-term prepay assumption that we published?

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Tim Coffey
Head of Middle Market Lending

Yeah.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

So that's the average of, I believe it's five dealers and their average prepays, long-term prepays on our portfolio. We look at that relative to our model, for example, and it's more The reason why we use it is it's arm's length insofar as we're not influencing that. We think that all models have real issues right now given we have not been at these rate levels Before number one, you can't really model the uncertainty with respect to this virus and the ability for loans to close, etc. The primary, secondary spread should contract over time as more capacity is added. We do anticipate that to be the case. And so it's a little uncertain with respect to what the model impact will be or whether or not models are completely accurate. But we think 17-odd CPR is a reasonably good long-term estimate given the rate environment. And if anything, over the long term, perhaps a little bit conservative. Given the quality of the collateral we own, which is now the vast majority of it, I think 99% now is either medium or high-quality specified pools or season bonds. So we're comfortable with it.

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Eric Hagan
Analyst, KBW

Got it. So since it's a long-term estimate, it does take into account some normalization of spreads over time. Yes, exactly. Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then just one on housekeeping. How much are you guys funding overnight right now through Arcola?

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Yeah, I'd say right now it's 25% of our overall repo book, right around there, maybe a touch inside of there of our overall financing. With respect to Arcola, it was a very valuable tool during the month of March. That's where a considerable amount of the liquidity was with respect to the Fed providing liquidity in repo markets. A lot of it ended up in... and FICC, and so we appreciate having that. We have more capacity if we wanted to increase our COLA balances, but we also heavily appreciate the bank counterparty relationships, and we have to balance that tradeoff between overnight financing at 10 basis points and going out a little further, whether it's one month, three months, and paying just a little bit of term premium on that.

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Eric Hagan
Analyst, KBW

Got it. Thank you so much and stay well. Thanks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thanks, Eric.

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Operator
Conference Operator

And our next question comes from Doug Harder with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Thanks. David, if you could talk about kind of your outlook for leverage, you know, kind of as we move into the phase two, phase three, that you described in your prepared remarks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Sure. Are you speaking with respect to us or

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

and more broadly.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Okay. So, you know, obviously our leverage is a touch lower on the quarter and even lower now and we do think that it is an environment where leverage will be lower. There is more spread in the agency market and the economics are and more favorable than they have been given the fact that we're at the zero lower bound. The Fed is obviously in play in buying assets and we're certainly comfortable with the agency market, but you can take two approaches. You can say, okay, let's add leverage because we think spreads are gonna tighten, which we do on the agency market. That just tends to be the case when you have this type of environment as we saw in the earlier QEs. or you could take the approach that we can earn a competitive yield with a little bit lower risk. And I think we're more on the side of lower leverage and a slightly lower risk portfolio. And a lot of that is informed by what we just experienced in March. Liquidity was obviously highly constrained. for agency investors. It wasn't just the REIT sector. I mean, if you look at the amount of assets the Fed purchased, which is in excess of $500 billion, the fund redemption DeLeveraging and other sales of agency MBS obviously provided a lot of supply in the market. And we learned a lesson from that experience. And I think it does inform how you look at leverage on a go-forward basis. And generally speaking, I think it's a little bit lower.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

And then just sticking to leverage, what are you thinking about the borrowings currently against FHLB and kind of what the outlook is? You know, there is, you know, as we kind of approach the sort of the end of that, of your ability to access that.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Sure, sure. So as you suggest, our line does end currently in February of next year. We did reduce our borrowings from the FHLB last quarter. given the fact that we were financing a fair amount of agency MBS in addition to our whole loans on the line and it actually became more economical to use our bank counterparties to finance the agency MBS. So we reduced the line by about two-thirds. We still maintain our whole loans on our FHLB line, but we are preparing for the eventual Thank you for joining us. Again, the economics of whole loans right now are more favorable. And so when you look at the balance, we do think that converting over to bank warehouse lines, assuming a securitization market redevelops, and we anticipate it to do so. We think the economics will not be quite as good as FHLB, but they'll be competitive in the fact that we've already built a brand in the securitization space. Thanks to the FHLB line and that helping us incubate our whole loan business, I think we're in good shape going forward, not relying on FHLB if it's not there.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Great. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

You bet, Doug. And our next question comes from Matthew Hallett with Nomura. Go ahead.

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Matthew Hallett
Analyst, Nomura

Thanks, everyone. Good morning. On the margin, you know, you give us really good color on what happened there in the quarter and where repo is at the end of the quarter. One of your peers, I think, guided to over 150 base point net interest rate second quarter. Is there sort of a cadence or any type of forward guidance you can give us on what to expect on that margin, that net interest rate next several quarters?

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Yeah, and you know, obviously, it's fluid, both financing, what we do on the asset side and how we reposition hedges, I will say that the net interest margin is higher. Our repo expense is going to be inside of 100 basis points, certainly. We can, you know, and have repositioned our swaps to reduce the net interest spread. All I can tell you right now, because it's obviously fluid, Matt, is, you know, from a NIM standpoint, I would view Q1... as a trough relative to Q4 and Q2. And now that being said, it is on a lower overall asset base, so you do have to take that into consideration.

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Matthew Hallett
Analyst, Nomura

Right, absolutely. So is the biggest variable clearly, is it just speeds? I mean, is that the sort of clarity on where repo is and where the swap rates are? Is that the biggest variable we think about modeling this next several quarters?

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Yeah, and it's, you know, repo I think is relatively – Stable and predictable. And they're what we do on the asset side and speeds obviously can influence that. But and what we do on the swap side, and there's a lot of small variables that I think can make up the overall game. But, you know, I'm comfortable telling you that Q1 is a trough on that front.

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Matthew Hallett
Analyst, Nomura

Okay, great. And then, then David, your grads on the on the on the role of companies internalizing here in the second quarter, I want to obviously ask you about buybacks going forward. Can you maybe just spend a second to address your vision of Analy? Maybe give us an update on the internalization, what changes and cost savings are going to happen, and just overall anything you'd like to say in terms of where you think you're going to take this company in the next several years. And congrats again.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Okay. Let's talk a little bit about that. And thanks for the question, Matt. In terms of the vision in Analy, what I'll say is I've obviously been with the firm for nearly seven years, and I've overseen the businesses for the past number of years. So there is a level of continuity, as I've obviously had an influence on how these businesses have been directed. Now, what I'll say is, first and foremost, Analy is an agency-oriented REIT. and I'm not just saying that because it has been a port in the storm over the volatility. That's the DNA of the company. You know, it was founded by two bond traders and nurtured by those individuals and that happens to be the DNA that does exist today, both on the asset and liability side. So, agency oriented, but that being said, we do have three very solid credit businesses and they all performed admirably through this volatility. on a go-forward basis in terms of how we see the world. As I was discussing earlier, looking at these three credit businesses, we came into the year thinking that the resi sector probably had the most promise given fundamentals and what we've been able to do in that business. We still do think that. Tim, in the middle market lending business, will differentiate that business, I think, through this volatility relative to his peers, as I said. I That is something we're certainly happy about. And the commercial business has a capital markets focus. It's been conservative, both with respect to capital allocation and what we think the sectors that they've invested in. But the commercial business, I think the sector as a whole is probably characterized over the very near term as more precarious given the uncertainty with respect to the commercial real estate. So My view is that we're an agency firm. We have all of these options. We have incredibly talented people, and we have brands in each of those businesses. Some level of continuity. We will make incremental changes as we get more information in terms of how this episode plays out. I wouldn't characterize anything we anticipate as transformational, but you can expect that when we go through an environment like this with disruption, that we have the capital and the liquidity to take advantage of opportunities. And we're absolutely looking to execute on that, but it's a little early to really predict how that plays out. Now, in terms of bigger picture, Annaly will be very relevant in real estate finance, both in markets as well as in policy circles. We've built a strong brand in D.C. We're looked upon as a thought leader down there and we anticipate continuing that because there's a lot of policy work that we think needs to happen over the next number of years to make sure that real estate markets are well functioning and liquidity goes to borrowers, etc. So we will be relevant on that front. In terms of managing the company. We will look a little bit more organically, I think, relative to the recent past. This means more focus on portfolio management, looking within to create opportunities and generate growth. And ultimately, my view and our view is that we will attract capital through performance. That's what's going to be the key ingredient here. You know, we won't need to buy growth. We anticipate performing and capital coming our way. And so that's the general philosophy of how we're going to run this company, a little bit more portfolio focused, organic growth. It's not to say we wouldn't be acquisitive, but we think we have all the ingredients within the company to be able to do what we want to do. And now over the near term, we obviously have the tailwinds. in the agency market. And so we are a little bit centric toward that business, but we'll see how everything plays out. And continuing on, your other questions again, Matt?

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Matthew Hallett
Analyst, Nomura

And I appreciate the buybacks. I know they'd be premature, but just wanted to throw it in there.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Yeah. So with respect to buying back stock, obviously in March and even into April, liquidity was paramount. How we look at buying back stock is it's a capital allocation equation. On one hand, you have the very near-term immediate accretion when your stock price is at a discount, and you trade that off with liquidity in what we might think to be better longer-term investment opportunities to use that capital. So what I'll tell you is we have the authorization. It is a and many more. And we'll evaluate it relative to both liquidity and other options that we have. Thanks. I really appreciate it. You bet. Thanks, Matt.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to David Finkelstein for any closing remarks.

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David Finkelstein
Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer

Well, thank you, everybody. We hope everybody stays healthy and safe throughout this We look forward to talking to everybody shortly.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lunch.

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