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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Greetings and welcome to the National Storage Affiliates Trust second quarter 2025 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If you require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce you to your host, George Hugland, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you, George. You may begin.

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George Hugland
Vice President, Investor Relations

We'd like to thank you for joining us today for the second quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call of National Storage Affiliates Trust. On the line with me here today are NSA's President and CEO, Dave Kramer, and CFO, Brandon Tagashi. Following prepared remarks, management will accept questions from registered financial analysts. Please limit your questions to one question and one follow-up, and then return to the queue if you have more questions. In addition to the press release distributed yesterday afternoon, we furnished our supplemental package with additional detail on our results, which may be found in the investor relations section on our website at nsastorage.com. On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties and represent management's estimates as of today, August 5th, 2025. company assumes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement because of changing market conditions or other circumstances after the date of this conference call. The company cautions that actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement. For additional details concerning our forward-looking statements, please refer to our public filings with the SEC. We also encourage listeners to review the definitions and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures such as FFO, Core FFO, and net operating income contained in the supplemental information package available in the investor relations section on our website and in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to Dave.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Thanks, George, and thanks, everyone, for joining our call today. During the second quarter, we generated sequential improvement in occupancy, moving contract rates, and our rent roll-down spreads. However, our same-store NOI and core FFO per share results fell short of our expectations for several reasons, including First, there's been no meaningful improvement in the overall macroeconomic conditions, including housing transition, as interest rates remained elevated and affordability remained challenged. Second, the interest rate and overall inflationary environment have been more challenging than what was contemplated in our guidance, which has weighed on interest expense and repair maintenance expense. Third, there is continued pressure from new supply in several of our markets that is having a greater impact than expected. Fourth, it is taking longer to realize the benefits from the pro-internalization as we work through the changes to revenue management strategies, grant consolidation, and management procedures. Finally, the elevated use of concessions during the quarter was a near-term drag on revenues. Taking all these factors into account, in addition to our assumptions that we'll now be net seller of assets for the year, we've adjusted our guidance ranges accordingly, which Brennan will detail in his remarks. Moving to the transaction environment, we sold 10 properties, which were all former pro properties in non-core markets, where we did not have scale and were therefore inefficient to manage. We exited four states with this transaction, making a total of five states that we've exited year to date. We also acquired one property in Texas and an annex to an existing property in California, which was completed as a 1031 exchange. During and subsequent to the quarter, our 2023 JV acquired two properties, one in New York and one in Tennessee. After acquisitions, net proceeds of $40 million were used to pay down the revolver. Although there remains a steady flow of opportunities coming across our desk, we remain very disciplined in the use of our capital and are focused on improving our balance sheet metrics. Overall, we remain confident in the outlook for NSA. We still expect to realize the full benefits from the pro-internalization, and as the housing market loosens, We expect to realize outside benefit given our geographic exposure to Sunbelt and suburban markets that will be more impacted by housing recovery. Lastly, new supply is projected to decline over the next few years to levels well below historical averages, which will support in improving supply demand backdrop. We continue to focus on improving our portfolio and occupancy position with increased marketing spend and the use of concessions. We've increased repair and maintenance spend as we address needs in the portfolio that will enable us to improve performance. Although these actions add near-term pressure to revenues and expenses, we believe these are the right decisions in light of our current operating environment. With that said, I do believe that we've hit bottom in fundamentals and that we're just starting to hit our stride operationally. Some of the positive trends that we saw in the quarter and into July are as follows. Occupancy increased 140 basis points sequentially during the second quarter, to finish at 85%, and further increased in July to 85.3%. This is a noticeable difference from July last year when we lost 40 basis points of occupancy from the current same-store pool. The year-over-year occupancy has narrowed to 150 basis points at the end of July from 220 basis points at the end of June. Redpath has grown for five consecutive months ending July, with the year-over-year delta improving down from 4.2% in February to 2.2% in June and now down to 1.6% in July. On a same-star NOI basis, two of our reported MSAs, Houston and San Juan, inflected positive for the quarter. Bad debt expense improved on a year-over-year basis and remains in line with historical averages. We are seeing the benefits of technology in our call center, with 15% of our total incoming call volume now handled by AI, and the evolution of our paid search model is driving more opportunities and leading to higher-value rentals. Further, our existing customer base remains healthy. We continue to be pleased with the overall success of the ECRA program, and the length of stay remains above historical averages. While the pace of our progress was slower than expected in the first half of the year, we are encouraged by the positive trends that we experienced in June and July. We are focused on maintaining that momentum throughout the rest of 2025 and into 2026. I'll now turn the call over to Brandon to discuss our financial results.

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Dave. Yesterday afternoon, we reported core per share of 55 cents for the second quarter, an 11 percent decline from the prior year period, due primarily to a decrease in same-store NOI and an increase in interest expense. For the quarter, same-store revenues declined 3 percent, driven by lower average occupancy of 240 basis points, and a year-over-year decline in average revenue per square foot of 30 basis points. Expense growth was 4.6% in the second quarter. The main drivers of growth were property taxes, marketing, R&M, and utilities, partially offset by a decrease in personnel costs. Property taxes were elevated mainly due to a tough comp as we had successful appeals in the prior year period. Marketing was up 39% versus the prior year given the competitive environment and targeted spend on markets with rebranded stores. R&M was higher, largely due to cost inflation, addressing deferred maintenance, and some weather-related items. These revenue and OPEX results led the same-store NOI growth of negative 6.1 percent. Going forward, we expect some of these expense pressures to ease, and we expect sequential improvement in the year-over-year revenue growth, which is reflected in our guidance. Now, speaking to the balance sheet, we have ample liquidity and maintain healthy access to various sources of capital. We have no maturities of consequence until the second half of 2026, and our current revolver balance is $400 million, giving us approximately $550 million of availability. As Dave referenced earlier, we expect to be a net seller for the year, and the use of near-term asset sale proceeds will pay down the revolver, which, combined with improving fundamentals, will help to bring leverage down over time. Net debt to EBITDA was 6.8 times at quarter end, down slightly from 6.9 times in Q1. Turning to guidance, based on year-to-date actuals and taking into consideration the factors impacting performance that Dave highlighted in his remarks, we have adjusted our guidance ranges for 2025 for same-store growth and core FFO per share and now expect same-store revenue growth of negative 2 to 3 percent, same-store OPEX growth of 3.25 to 4.25 percent, same-store NOI growth of negative 4.25 to 5.75 percent, and core FFO per share of $2.17 to $2.23. Additional guidance assumptions are detailed in the earnings release. Thanks again for joining our call today. Let's now turn it back to the operator to take your questions.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Operator? Thank you. You will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. So that we may address questions from as many participants as possible, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, you may recue, and time permitting, those questions will be addressed. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed.

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Michael Goldsmith
Analyst, UBS

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. My first question is on the updated guidance. When you started the year, you laid out kind of the different scenarios underpinning, you know, the midpoint and the higher end and the low point. Just based on this updated range, can you kind of walk through the scenarios contemplated to hit the different, the high end, the low end, the midpoint, and what sort of macro expectations for the back half is required to kind of fall within that range? Thanks.

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Michael, this is Brandon. Thanks for the question. So, you know, our revised, I'll anchor my comments really to the same store revenue growth because that was, you know, from a magnitude, the largest change, which flowed through obviously to same store NOI, and that's the biggest driver of the total core FFO per share adjustment in our ranges. So regarding same store revenue in terms of the operating fundamentals, what's assumed at the midpoint is, you know, Us being at or near the top of occupancy, as you typically would seasonally this time of year, and then having sequential decline as we progress for the back half of the year. Dave mentioned at the end of July we were down 150 basis points in occupancy, so we are forecasting at the midpoint. an occupancy trend that is not too dissimilar from what we experienced last year, which was, you know, some of that typical seasonal sequential drop off such that, you know, we would, we would hover around that year over year Delta of minus 150 basis points plus or minus. And then similarly, you know, we would see some seasonal sequential decline in street rates that would have its own impact on the rate roll down between move ins and move outs. But generally like our contract rate we're estimating will, follow a similar pattern as last year. You saw in the documents year over year, we were flat on the in-place contract rate to last year. And so if what I just described plays out, we would remain relatively flat on a year over year basis. And then you have the impact of higher discounts and concessions, which we talked about earlier as well. And we expect that on a year over year basis to continue. So those are the big building blocks that get you to the the back half of the year being down 2% year over year, which combined with our first half negative three, it gets you to the midpoint for the full year of that negative two and a half. And then, you know, on the high and low end, it's really obviously, you know, things being better or worse than what I just described, but that's, you know, I wanted to focus my comments on really that core midpoint. The last part of your question, I would say there's a lot less dependent on the macro with this mid-year revision as there was at the beginning of the year. I mean, we obviously have six months of reported information. We've got seven months of operational data in front of us, excuse me, seven months of operational data in front of us with July. And so, you know, you're only projecting five months of the year and you've really seen what's going to transpire in the key spring and summer leasing season. Whereas at the beginning of the year, you know, there was a lot more predicated on some macro improvements.

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Michael Goldsmith
Analyst, UBS

Thanks for all that, Brenda. Just as a follow-up, you know, given where your shares are trading, how are you thinking about share repurchases? And, you know, there was a little bit of a maybe lower volume of acquisition, so maybe walk through kind of the capital allocation thought process between share repurchases and acquiring new properties. Thank you.

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, sure. I mean, look, the opportunity to repurchase our own shares is there for us. We have a plan that we reestablished late last year. Certainly the stock price today we view as very attractive and at quite a discount to, you know, a fair value. But you hit it on the head. You know, we're going to balance those decisions with our capital plans and sources and uses. The acquisition environment, you know, Dave touched on it. He can expand on it further, but it's very competitive. And so the prices that are required to win single deal, single property deals versus making a more diversified investment into your own company that you have, you know, better underwriting on. I mean, I think those are all the things that factor into those decisions. But we're going to be judicious and disciplined about it and keep our balance sheet metrics in mind as well.

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Michael Goldsmith
Analyst, UBS

Thank you very much. Good luck in the back end.

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Shamir Canal with Bank of America. Please proceed.

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Shamir Canal
Analyst, Bank of America

Good afternoon, everybody. I guess, Brandon or Dave, given some of the pressures you've talked about in the markets, whether it's Atlanta or Phoenix, how are you addressing your ECRI strategy? Have you seen any sort of customer behavior changes and maybe even an increase in churn? I guess just around your ECRI strategy would be helpful. Thanks.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, thanks for the question, and thanks for joining today. I'd say on a whole we've seen no significant changes in the program. The acceptance of the level of expected turn created by the ECRI program and then the net output of the revenue gains we're getting out of it as a whole, no changes. We've actually bowed in a little more areas where maybe we could be a little more assertive on, maybe a magnitude just based on risk factors and things like that. I would tell you as we went through the pro transition, the back half of last year and really the first quarter of this year, the team worked very hard at working through that backlog of customers that hadn't had a rate increase, and so we pushed quite a few rate increases through really the last couple months of last year and the first part of this year. and had good success there. But I think we learned a couple things just as we worked through the magnitude of those customers and how many rate increases we pushed and understanding, you know, what that churn looked like. We were able to dial in a little bit more in our risk scores about maybe pushing some longer-term tenants in that existing pro base. But we're happy with the outcome. But, again, every time you get more data points, you learn. But the program as a whole is still very stable and doing what we needed to do.

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Shamir Canal
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Thanks. And another topic that has come up is the dividend, right? I mean, given, we'll see where our numbers shake out for next year from an AFFO perspective, but how should we think about the dividend given where the AFFO payout ratio is? Thanks.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, good question. We certainly know that we're at a higher payout ratio than we've ever been, and we're currently above the payout that we're earning. And I would tell you, Our board's very thoughtful, as we are as a leadership team, on how we evaluate the dividend policy and the payout ratio. We routinely discuss the current state of our business as well as the near and long-term outlooks. Our board has insights to our initiatives, our strategies, what the company's deploying. They have very deep knowledge of the self-storage sector and the dynamics of the self-storage sector. I would tell you, I think the board understands the long-term plan as well as the impact of the cycles of the sector. You know, I think it also plays into our ability to really make a meaningful improvement in a relatively short timeframe because of the short contract rates that we have, the short month-to-month leases we have. And I think our board has a long-term view and has a good understanding of where we're at and where we're headed.

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Shamir Canal
Analyst, Bank of America

Thanks a lot, Dave. Appreciate the color.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Wolf with Citibank. Please proceed.

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Eric Wolf
Analyst, Citibank

Hey, thanks. For your move-in rent data on page 21 of your SUP, I was just curious if you could tell me sort of what concessions or promotions are included in that number and whether you think that changes in that number are a good forward indicator of where your average annualized rental revenue will eventually go. So effectively, if we look at the sequential or year-over-year changes in those move-in rents, does that kind of eventually tell us where you think that annualized rental revenue will eventually go?

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Eric, this is Brandon. So, you know, I don't have a specific adjustment to that move-in contract rate number since that's an annual number on the discounts. You know, the way that we look at the discounts internally is just kind of like on a total dollars basis. And historically we've talked about it as just, you know, how much are discounts as a percent of total revenue that we're earning. And that discount percentage, you know, was lower for a long period of time, you know, during the pandemic and when fundamentals were much stronger. And basically, we've been returning back to more normalized levels of discounts. So something in like the 2% up to 3% of revenue range. You know, I think our use of discounts more recently, I would tie that together with Dave's earlier comments about ECRI as well. I mean, we've strategically been using discounts in part to kind of lessen the amount of ECRI that we maybe have to push most immediately to a customer, especially in this tough environment over these last few years. You know the narrative. There's been a lot of, you know, reputational risk I think has been introduced to the industry and to certain operators with the way those are processed. So it's just we're testing a lot of different ways of acquiring the customer and then moving their in-place rates up. The second part of your question, I would not say that the move-in rate is an indicator of where the long-term in-place contract rates necessarily going to go just because of how dynamic the street and move-in rates can be, as well as just the power of the ECRI. So the way we think about it, now that we started disclosing the move-in and move-out rates that are on that page 21 or sub-Schedule 7, you can see the rate roll down, and you can also see that we've been stable on the contract rate. It's not improving a little bit these last several quarters, and that's just through the power of the ECRI. So I think you can still maintain long-term, you know, a strong in-place contract rate, even if those street rates are below that, you know, the moving rates are below that.

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Eric Wolf
Analyst, Citibank

Understood. And then I think it's sort of a follow-up. I think in the opening remarks, you could have had it wrong, but I think you went through monthly what the revenue per available square foot was. And I think it was accelerating through the second quarter and reached negative 1.6% in July. I think RevPath is usually a pretty good indicator for sort of revenue growth, but maybe there's a difference. But I just wanted to make sure that I sort of understood it correctly that, you know, effectively your same store revenue was getting better throughout the second quarter and reached calling around negative 1.6% in July.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, you heard it correctly. This is Dave, Eric, and you're right. We were down 4.2% in February, down 2.2% in June, and then the 1.6% in July. And so for us, RevPath is a pretty key ingredient to the overall revenue output. Obviously, your comment about, you know, what's happening with concessions plays into that. And to add on to what Brandon was talking about earlier is, you know, one of the things we've done with our asking rents and position in the market is we've tried to position ourselves to get a little easier manageable rent roll down and then also keep the customer count where we want it and attracting the right customers. And so adding in a discount is short-term. I mean, so if you're getting – a little bit better asking rent and you're keeping the move-in volumes you want and you use that one time once a month or half off for the first month, it just burns through. But that does not show up in the rate. I mean, it's just a pure drag on revenue. But we do like the position of the, you know, our rent roll down is pinching down to like 20 now versus, you know, our high point last year was at 38 in October. So we certainly are working on finding the right path to make sure that from an ECR perspective, customer account perspective, use of discounts that we're attracting the right customer we want and getting the value we want out of that rental. Yeah.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes to the line of Juan Sanbria with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed.

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Robin Handel
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hey, this is Robin Handel. I'm sitting in for Juan. I'm just curious, could you discuss the competitive landscape from public pairs and institutional portfolios in your markets?

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, certainly. This is Dave. Thanks for the question and joining. We would tell you this year, there's a couple things that we, you know, new supply and the amount of supply being added we think has probably peaked in a lot of our markets. And so, you know, that from a competitive standpoint, you're not getting a ton of new supply adding into your markets. You're just trying to absorb what has already been positioned in the markets. That, I think, has led to a little bit more stability around asking rents. This, you know, we'd say the first six months of this year and really into July has been a little more stable around, you know, the competitiveness of asking rents. It appears that a lot of the occupancy levels maintained through the first six months of the year. So I think that allowed everybody to have just a little bit more pricing position as far as that stability. And we've certainly seen that in our portfolio as well. For us, we actually were able to grow occupancy in July, which is something we didn't do last year. And we actually had street rates maintain and improve. And for us, the street rates will flip positive on a year-over-year basis in the months of October and September and August, those three months, just because of competitive comps from last year. But I would tell you overall, we're happy with the stability in the asking rents and the way we're able to position those asking rents in the market.

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Robin Handel
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

And could you elaborate on the green shoots in your new marketing strategy and what gives you the confidence on the implied second half sensor revenue to accelerate?

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, it's a, it's a good question. You know, part of the pro pro transition, um, you know, we rebranded in a lot of markets and one, we introduced NSA storage.com. So that is a singular domain name for all of our brands live. And so anytime you start fussing around with domain names and rebranding and rebranding of stores, uh, there's certainly an element of disruption within your position and how Google sees you and how your visibility scores come and your ability to really be seen by the customer overall. And so from our marketing spend perspective, we've really spent more dollars, really targeted around those rebranded markets. A lot of those were in the pro markets, and we've really elevated from a paid search perspective where we're positioning our ads, how we're positioning our ads, and really using a little more automation and a lot more technology than was used in the past. It's led to the elevated marketing spend, but I can tell you what we're seeing is top of the funnel demand improving significantly, and now we're working – that top of the funnel demand through the actual funnel and working on conversion rate. And I'd say some of the green shoots of that is the fact that we did grow occupancy in July. It's something that didn't happen last year. We put more customers into our portfolio at the back half of June and the full month of July. And so far in August, early in August, we were very happy with the stability we've seen in August. So all those things combined, we believe that we're in a better position to attract and find new customers.

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

And Robin, I just want to add, just back to your question about our confidence and what's implied in the back half, I'll tie it to what we were just discussing with Eric, just to make a clarification point. You know, that rev path year over year negative number 1.6 that we were talking about, you know, that's a good example of, you know, that number doesn't include concessions. And so I don't expect the year over year revenue growth in July to necessarily be it'll be something worse than that because of the use of discounts. That RevPath number also doesn't include a bad debt and some of the fees and other ancillary income. But I do expect the July year-over-year revenue growth to be better than the negative three that we posted for the first six months. And so I just want to give some specific data points in combination with what Dave said just to give you a sense of why we feel good about the general trend and that sequential improvement.

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Robin Handel
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. Very helpful. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Griffin with Evercore ISI. Please proceed.

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Michael Griffin
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Great, thanks. Maybe you can give a little more color on maybe just kind of the delayed, not necessarily implementation, but the pushing back some of the benefits of the pro-transition. I mean, it seems like the properties are all kind of centralized on one platform. So it doesn't necessarily seem like they're competing with each other from a revenue perspective, but I mean, is it, is it backend synergies? You know, I'm just trying to figure out what is, what is sort of delaying, you know, the benefits that you were expecting maybe earlier in the year.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah. Thanks for joining. Good question. It really, in our opinion, um, we really got the nuts and bolts buttoned up really December of last year. Um, I can tell you from our team's perspective, This is the first time I can, since I've been with the NSA publicly, come away from the private side of secure care. In five years, we haven't had some kind of transition going on where we weren't absorbing stores or had some kind of pro-internalization going on. So the team has actually had four or five months of heads down now. And I think that's important to think about as we went into this pro-transition. We took a large number of stores over a small time period, five to six months, and added them to Centralized portfolio doesn't change all the technology out. I think why we're, you know, as I look at it, we thought maybe we'd be a touch further ahead because of conditions that were out of our control, the economic conditions, the housing turn. A lot of these pro stores are in the SunMelt market. Those SunMelt markets are also very challenging. You've got Florida, Gulf Coast of Florida, West Coast of Florida. You've got Phoenix, where a large position of these stores were. You've got Dallas-Fort Worth, which was a large position of these properties, Las Vegas. So a lot of these pro stores are in very challenging markets. And as we talked about in the last question, the rebranding takes time. It takes effort. It takes a lot of effort. I think the team's executed well. I think there's still room for us to improve, and we will continue to focus on that and gain more traction. But, you know, a new domain name, consolidation of brands, consolidation of new brands in markets, all those things combined I think has just put us a little bit behind where we thought we would be.

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Michael Griffin
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks, Dave. Appreciate the context there. And then I know you mentioned, at least in your call center, sort of trying to leverage AI to see some benefits there. But I'm curious from a customer acquisition standpoint, I mean, I imagine that most of your inbounds are still through kind of traditional Google search means. But are you able to kind of see, you know, any impact or benefit from searching with AI tools, whether it's ChatGPT or anything of the like? Just wondering kind of how that customer is attracted to potentially renting a storage unit.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, it's a really good question. I think it's early to really understand all of the implications of chat, you know, and AI technology on how the consumer is shopping. Certainly the consumer, you know, has changed their shopping patterns because they speak to their phone now and ask more sophisticated questions, and obviously the technology has to have a better answer and a more sophisticated answer I will tell you from our seat, our team has spent a lot of time and is continuing to spend a lot of time analyzing how. How do you get to the end result? I mean, that's what Google ultimately wants to do is they want to listen to what you say to it and get you to the end result. And so we're spending a lot of time going back through our content that sits on the website, how it's worded, what it's worded like. Is it chat friendly? Are we doing the right things to make sure when a customer is looking for a storage facility, we have the ability to show up well? I think it's evolving and it's evolving quick and it's going to be very dynamic. And for us, you know, I think, you know, we'll do our best to stay on top of what's going on around that arena and adapt to it. I also say within our company, we were very happy with our use within our own platform and the fact that the call center was able to contain, you know, through our agent, we call her Alexis. She was able to contain 15% of all the phone calls that came to our call center and actually solve and end the result. So what we mean by contain is that agent or that platform actually solved the consumer's question and handled the call without it going to somebody else. We think there's room to grow there, which gives you efficiencies and also keeps your people focused on the real calls that need a personal touch. We like that. And then we also launched at our stores what we call My Storage Navigator, where you can walk up to the store, you can take your cell phone, you can scan a QR code, and you can completely transact with us 100%. without having a manager at the store. It's right now running in a web-based solution, but that can also be turned on as an app that's downloadable. And so we are certainly focused a lot around how the consumer wants to transact with us and modifying our technology to adapt to it.

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Michael Griffin
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Great. That's it for me. Thanks for the time. Yeah, thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Todd Thomas with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please proceed.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Hi, thanks. I just wanted to follow up on a few things related to the pro transitions and the consolidation of banners. With regard to the web search and some of the comments that were made, where are search rankings and conversion rates today relative to where they were before the pro transition? Can you give us a sense how far maybe some of those metrics fell off and sort of where they stand today?

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, Todd, it's Dave. Thanks for the question. We certainly have improved our visibility score, and that's one of the methods we look at substantially in all of the markets where we've consolidated brands and then brought brands onto the single domain name. And statistically, that's allowing us to show up significantly better in keyword searches and the amount of times that we're showing up where a consumer wants to find us in an overall ranking. But You know, if you can think about, you know, some of the progress we've made, we've used this a few times in some of the decks that we've put out. But, you know, we want to be in that, you know, top three range. And statistically, we're moving nationally to that piece of it. We've had like Florida be an example where maybe our visibility score would have been before the transition almost 11, if you think about the metrics around the visibility score, and now it sits at six. So we're certainly making improvements in the markets we want to make. It's a process. It's not all about paid search. It's about all of the things that go into being found and it's review scores and it's, you know, where you are at in around the map process, the Google, my business process, how you work on your organic treatment. And so we are making significant improvements there. Um, because we switched platforms, we don't have all consolidated data from the old pros websites to ours, but I can tell you that in our own platform of where we had visibility, We're driving about 13%, 14% more people to the top of the funnel today than what we were doing a year ago. So that's an improvement that we like. That means we're being found more and more folks are coming into our website and looking for a shopping experience with us. That's led to about a 6% to 7% improvement in opportunities. So top of the funnel to opportunity, which would be like a reservation, a quote, that's up about 7% on these stores that we have year-over-year data on. And so I think all the things we do are improving. And so we're happy with it. Certainly need to be better. We want to continue to refine and get better, you know, as we learn and go through it.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Okay. And then with regards to the use of concessions and discounts, did that increase throughout the period and into July, or have you now been able to ease up a little bit, and was the implementation and response from the use of concessions, was that, you know, more broad-based across the portfolio, or was it primarily in the markets, you know, that remain a little bit softer?

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

I think certainly it was in the markets that were softer. We were certainly more assertive in those markets. I would also tell you the last couple of months, as we talked about in NAIREAD, we were very specific about a unit type and a unit size as we were having not only a, you know, we focused on the price rate roll down, but we were actually having a square footage roll down of about five or six square foot per rental. I think we talked a lot of you at NAIREAD about it. So we got very specific around concession use around type of unit and size of unit. And we actually ran some sales on our website around particular unit sizes. And we were very happy that it worked. I mean, we certainly found some traction and were able to rent and target, you know, specific unit types and sizes. And a lot of the concessions were around that piece of it.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes to the line of John Peterson with Jefferies. Please proceed.

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John Peterson
Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Thank you. On the same store revenue guidance cut of about 250 basis points, are you able to parse out, like, how much of that is related to the housing market being weaker than your initial forecast and how much of that you would ascribe to the pro-internalization challenges?

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Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

It's tough, John, as you can imagine. But, you know, what I will say is that when we introduced guidance in February, we did talk about the low end of guidance, assuming you know, no meaningful improvement in housing and demand still being kind of more muted on a relative level versus like the midpoint and high end of our guidance assumes much stronger occupancy gains. If you recall, I think at the midpoint, we said 250 basis points of occupancy gain peak to trough, which we obviously didn't experience this year. So that alone, I would say, you know, the macro, hopefully we were clear enough in February that, you know, if you're looking at the existing home sale data as one data point, right? Of course, not all of our demand is coming from that source, but using it as a correlative data point based on all the six months of information that's been reported, we all know that it hasn't materially improved. So I think that alone, you're at least at the low end of our previous range. And then I think you compound that environment with some of the unexpected, elongated challenges that they've described on the pro-transition front and that walks you the rest of the way to our revised range now.

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John Peterson
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. All right. That's really helpful. And then I guess on the pro-internalization challenges, is it specific pro-portfolios that are harder than others maybe to integrate, or would you describe the challenges as more broad-based across all the pro-portfolios?

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

I think we've had success – It's probably more market-driven than it is particular pro properties. You know, if you think about, as I mentioned earlier, some of these portfolios, a larger concentration of pro stores are in very challenging markets. And then you throw on a rebrand on top of it. Phoenix, for an example, you know, we did not only have two stores down there that we operated, you know, as a corporate. And then the rest of those stores were managed by pros. And so we had to go down and obviously bring our, you know, we hired as many of the team members as possible, but we had to bring in leadership into that market and then go through a rebrand, establish ourselves in the rebrand. And then on top of it, it's a tremendously competitive market, right? There's a lot of new supply, a lot of things going on in Phoenix. And so I think all those things couple it. So I wouldn't categorize it as, you know, one particular pro set of stores were more challenging. It's probably more market-based, I think is what we would say. Okay.

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John Peterson
Analyst, Jefferies

All right. Thank you.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes to the line of Spencer Gilmacher with Green Street. Please proceed.

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Spencer Gilmacher
Analyst, Green Street

Thank you. Maybe just one from me. On the disposition front, can you just talk about how many properties you currently have earmarked for sale just over the near term? And then where is pricing then in terms of tap rates on recent acquisitions or dispositions? Excuse me.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah. Hey, thanks for joining. Appreciate the question. We do have a list of stores that we have identified in addition to that we're evaluating for either some kind of disposition strategy or can we spend some capital on them and prove the way they're positioned in the market. I think we'll have probably some more color on that in calls to come. We're still working with our board and our leadership team around a strategy around how do we reinvest in the portfolio, how do we you know, really think about the portfolio as long-term health and long-term success. And then how do we position that with the assets we have? So we'll have some more coming out on that. I would tell you the stuff that we are selling, we're having great success with. I mean, we just sold a total of 10 properties that were very single market properties. A lot of them are in locations in states where, You know, not large markets and not a lot of scale for us to have. And, you know, those properties sold sub-six. So, I mean, it's not a trailing basis. We're just having good success around what we're selling and the type of asset we're selling and the attraction of people who want to buy it. And so lots of buyers out there looking for a lot of the product that we're working on. And so, you know, we're happy with that piece of it.

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Spencer Gilmacher
Analyst, Green Street

Great. Thank you.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ravi Bhatia with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed.

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Ravi Bhatia
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Hi there. Hope you guys are doing well. I wanted to ask a bit about the Portland market. It really stood out as a positive thing for revenue growth and maybe just wanted to know what are some of the demand drivers here and maybe what led to that outsized result versus maybe some of your other markets that are reflective of higher supply.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, good question, Ravi, Steve. You know, I think Portland is really a story if you think about self-storage as a sector and what happens in self-storage. We have a lot of well-positioned assets. It's a market we've been in for a long time, starting back with the original borough and Northwest Self-Storage. A lot of knowledge there, a lot of success there. But Portland went through an overdevelopment cycle just prior to COVID there in 19, where there was just a tremendous amount of new supply built. And supply got out in front of demand. And Portland had to cycle through. COVID helped mask it for a couple of years, but Portland really had to cycle through a tremendous amount of new supply. The reason I say that is it shows you the strength of the sector when everything comes back in balance. Portland itself, as a market seems to be stabilizing and, and, and, you know, it seems to be a little more healthy than maybe it has been in the past two or three years. But what really has come back in balance is the supply bet demand ratio of product and consumer looking for product. And, and it's allowed us to obviously get occupancy back. It's allowed us to have some pricing strength, not just us. I think everybody, if you heard calls reported that, you know, Portland was one of the markets that was starting to perform well. So, you know, I, I, probably why I like this sector. I mean, if you keep supply and demand in balance, things work very well. And when you get it overbuilt and the building slows down, like a cycle we're going to head into where new supply is starting to come off its highs, the sector will grow into itself and you'll have good output when you're done.

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Ravi Bhatia
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Got it. That's really helpful. Maybe just one more here on your acquisitions guidance. I guess why lower it right now and maintain the disposition guidance? And why not match fund the two of them, or do you see better opportunities to use the disposition capital at this time? Thanks.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, good question. You know, I think there's a couple things going on. We're certainly being very, very patient and disciplined with our capital. Would we buy if we find the right properties? Absolutely. You know, and we see a lot of deals that come across the desk. We underwrite a lot of things. Just given today's environment, it's been very challenging to match our cost of capital with the type of products that we're seeing come across our desk at this point. As I mentioned earlier on the previous question, we are also looking at reinvesting in our portfolio and what can we do within our portfolio to make sure that we can optimize performance within our portfolio. So we start thinking about investing capital dollars and matching it to the best investments. some of the money will be used to invest in our portfolio, and that will be a better return than trying to buy a property on the outside that you don't know. We're going to be very active. Our JV wants to buy properties. That's a good source of capital for us. It's a good cost of capital for us. I think with the JV we'll remain active. I think the balance sheet piece just is a little more challenging at this time.

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Eric Wolf
Analyst, Citibank

Got it. Thank you. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ron Camden with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

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Ron Camden
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hey, just two quick ones. Going back to sort of the pro internalization, maybe can you just remind us what the sort of the occupancy and rent delta was that you were trying to close? And I can appreciate that maybe a little bit delayed, but how far along are you on? Are you 20%, 30% of the way? Just trying to get a sense of how much more upside there is to go.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, Ron, thanks for joining. Good question. I'll start with the occupancy. We've not been able to meaningfully close the gap on occupancy yet, broadly. We've had some markets where we've had success, but overall, as you can see, you know, from our initial guidance to where we're at today with our full portfolio, we did not see the spring leasing season we thought we'd see in volume. And obviously the pros are in more challenging markets, so obviously a lot of pressure around building occupants there. So I think there's a lot of upside there. as things turn and as opportunities present themselves and, you know, the conditions change to close that occupancy gap. We still believe in that. We still believe there's room to grow there. And, you know, in the marketing spend and the rebrand starts to take hold, some of those things will start to help that. From a rate perspective, we did a good job getting through the existing tenant base and we're able to work fairly well through the ECRI piece of that, you know, and so we're able to move contract rates in those particular, you know, pro stores and move RevPath from those stores because of the existing database. So I'd say we're probably 70% through with the first wave of that, and then we'll start to roll them into the traditional platform where you have cadence and magnitude following what our platform is. So more upside on occupancy, but still something to go on rate.

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Ron Camden
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Really helpful. And then my second question was just on expenses. I think we've talked about sort of the marketing spend, but maybe just updated thoughts on just property taxes and any other sort of line item. I know it was a pretty small move on the same-store expenses, but just any color there.

speaker
Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Ron, so on property taxes, you know, I mentioned in my opening remarks we had a difficult comp because there was a one-time benefit in the second quarter numbers last year. So if you strip that out, the 8.5% year-over-year growth, on that line item that we reported for the second quarter, it would be closer to 3%. And then for the six months, I think we reported nearly a 7% increase year over year. But again, if you strip out that one-time benefit in the prior year period, it's closer to like a 4%. And so that 3% to 4% range is kind of in line with what we're projecting still for the full year, meaning on a year-over-year basis, you know, that growth will come down in the second half of the year. Marketing was elevated. Dave touched on that earlier. It was definitely a lever that we were pulling in combination with the discounts. We spent a lot of time evaluating the success of those different paid search campaigns by market, and we do think there's opportunity in the back half of the year for us to dial back in some of the markets where we maybe just didn't quite see as much relative success versus some other markets. So on a year-over-year basis, it's still going to be the largest market growth of all the expense line items, but I don't think it'll be quite to the same magnitude that you saw in the second quarter. For the full year, I think we're still talking 25% to 30% year over year on that line item.

speaker
Eric Wolf
Analyst, Citibank

Really great comment.

speaker
Brandon Tagashi
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks so much. Ron, actually, sorry, one last one. On personnel, I did want to add, you saw that line item be lower in 2025 versus prior year. Some of that was adjusting staffing levels of the legacy pro-managed stores that we started that effort last July. And then we also, through taking over those stores, we just had a little bit of attrition in employee base. And so we kind of got fully staffed at the beginning of this year. So as we enter the back half of the year, and you see this on the trailing five-quarter data in the back schedules of the supplemental, the comp becomes tougher. So we were negative growth initially. first half of the year on personnel, I expect it to be low to mid-single digit positive growth in the back half of the year. Got it. Makes sense.

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Ron Camden
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks so much. Yep. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Wes Goloday with Baird. Please proceed.

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Wes Goloday
Analyst, Baird

Hey, everyone. I just want to go back to the My Storage Navigator. Has that been rolled out at all the properties? And what is your goal for that over the next two or three years for percentage of leases done through that system?

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, good question, Wes. It has been rolled out, and it's just in its infancy. And right now, I can tell you, you know, just watching, we're really studying customer behavior, how many times they walk up to the door, you know, different office hours, different times of the day. I do believe that is a goal or a tool that we can use to really offset How the customer transacts with us. I mean, I think, you know, if we looked at it right now, I think that tool could probably do, you know, four or five percent of our rental volume at the store level here in the next six months. So people who went to the store will use that tool probably, you know, four to five percent of the time. And I think that could grow substantially more than that. It's easy. It's easy to use. It's effective. And really the consumers are telling us that's, you know, more of the way we want to transact today. If you think about where we're at pre-COVID until now, you know, pre-COVID we weren't leasing at all online. And today, you know, about 65% of our total rental volume is coming through some touch point on that, you know, digital platform where it's never reaching the store at all. And about 40% is just pure retail. customer doing it all by themselves. So we do think there's a great opportunity there.

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Wes Goloday
Analyst, Baird

Okay. And then one more on the AI. Is it still too soon to put numbers on the aggregate opportunity, whether it's the cost savings from the call centers or the leasing you just talked about? What are you thinking about as far as the total opportunity?

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

It's too soon. I'm excited about it, so I'm going to be careful here. I just think it's too soon. There's so many things you can do with it from you know, just, you know, pure call volume, success of call volume, having it step in and, you know, help your call center agents do a better job, your store personnel do a better job. I think we just let's watch it evolve, and we'll keep trying to give you the tidbits of stats we see, but I think it's just too soon to where that can go.

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Wes Goloday
Analyst, Baird

Okay. Thank you for the time.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Omptomayo Ogosanwa with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.

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Sam (for Omptomayo Ogosanwa)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, guys. This is Sam on for Tayo. I hope I didn't miss this, but can you guys talk about, you know, how synergies come in versus the initial expectations as it relates to the pro-integration?

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yes, Sam. Thanks for joining. You know, I think we've talked quite a bit through the call about we've had good, you know, if you think, let's start with operations and costs. We've had good payroll savings. We certainly experienced the G&A savings we thought we'd see around the pro-internalization. So, you know, Some of those nuts and bolts right off the bat we were pleased with. I think from an upside synergies around really revenue and NOI improvement, we have not realized yet what the potential is there, and that stems a lot around from a rebranding, how long the rebranding is taking to catch hold. Obviously, market conditions in a lot of these markets are still very challenging, so we haven't been able to significantly move the needle around that revenue and NOI improvement. Once that does happen, you know, that is a meaningful chunk of our NOI. Those stores are. They're probably close to 40%, 45% of our NOI. So there is an opportunity for us to see that. But at this point in time, that revenue NOI synergies is just not materialized at the pace we thought it would yet.

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Sam (for Omptomayo Ogosanwa)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it. That's all I have on my end. I appreciate the time, guys.

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, Sam, thanks for joining.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Brendan Lynch. with Barclays. Please proceed.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thanks for taking my question. You had a lot of good color in there about My Storage Navigator and the AI agents and the new website. When you think about your technology suite as a whole and your data analysis and the algorithms, how effective do you think it is now versus where you want it to be at some point in the future when it's honed to perfection, for lack of a better term? What is the gap between where it is now and where you're trying to get it?

speaker
Dave Kramer
President and CEO

It's a really good question. I always use a baseball term here. We're in the beginning to middle innings on a lot of that stuff. Having the tools built is a huge, huge checkmark for us. And having it behind us where we're not developing is a huge checkmark for us. Now when you put data to it and let it learn and you adapt and you modify and you tweak, that's where you really get the performance. And so in some of those ways, even like our paid search bid model is I mean, and so I just think there's a lot of opportunities yet for us to realize around all of the things you just mentioned, website, AI technology around the call center, and particularly how we are found and how we transact on the internet.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Maybe just to follow up on that, if I understand correctly, it sounds like what you need more so than anything else now is data. Given the size of your portfolio, is it just data collection over a longer period of time relative to maybe some of your larger peers that can collect a wider swath of data at any given point in time? Like, are you going to be able to catch up to them just with the passage of time?

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yes. And I think, you know, I think in today's world we'll catch up quicker because of the systems that are available. You know, if we were doing this 10 years ago, you would not have the sophistication of modeling, sophistication of machine learning that we have today. So, yes, time will help. Every time you run a month worth of paid search and you watch the keyword results and the success of the results and where your money went, that model adapts and it learns, and it learns at a very fast pace. So, yeah, time will certainly help us, and it's always beneficial to have an extra data point, but I think we can close the gap very rapidly versus if we were trying to do this 10 years ago.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thanks for the call, Dave.

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Dave Kramer
President and CEO

Yeah, thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to pass the call back over to George for any closing remarks.

speaker
George Hugland
Vice President, Investor Relations

Thank you all for joining our call today, and we look forward to seeing many of you at the various conferences in September.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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