Blue Owl Capital Corporation

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Blue Owl Capital Corporation's Third Quarter 2024 earnings call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mike Mastichio, head of BDC Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and welcome to Blue Owl Capital Corporation's Third Quarter earnings conference call. Yesterday, Blue Owl Capital Corporation issued its earnings release and posted an earnings presentation for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024. These should be reviewed in conjunction with the company's 10Q filed yesterday with the SEC. All materials referenced on today's call, including the earnings press release, earnings presentation, and 10Q are available on the Investor section of the company's website at blueowlcapitalcorporation.com. Joining us on the call today are Craig Packer, chief executive officer, Logan Nicholson, president, and Jonathan Lamb, chief financial officer. I'd like to remind listeners that remarks made during today's call may contain forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that are outside of the company's control. Actual results may differ materially from those in forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described in OBDC's filings with the SEC. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Certain information discussed on this call and in the company's earnings materials, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. The company makes no such representations or warranties with respect to this information. With that, I'll turn the call over to Craig Packer, chief executive officer of OBDC.

Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. We delivered strong third quarter results driven by continued portfolio performance and robust investment activity. We achieved ROE for the quarter of 12.4%, our seventh consecutive quarter of double-digit ROE and dividend yield, reflecting our attractive asset base and the resilient credit quality of our portfolio. As of quarter end, our net asset value per share was $15.28, just off from historical highs. The fundamental performance of the portfolio remains strong and our non-accrual rate remains well below the industry average. OBDC continues to over-earn the base dividend, enabling us to pay 5 cents per share supplemental dividend, and Jonathan will share more on our financial performance in a moment. We're very pleased with our results this quarter and we think it's important to put them into context of what we're seeing in the broader markets. Since we spoke to you last quarter, the interest rate outlook has shifted considerably. The market is now recalibrating based on an expectation of additional rate cuts over the remainder of the year as inflation has eased. When rates increased over two years ago, we took decisive action to ensure our shareholders would benefit from expected earnings momentum while maintaining ample cushion on our base dividend. We introduced a variable supplemental dividend framework and modestly increased the base dividend. Both of these initiatives were designed to deliver predictable cashflow to our shareholders. As floating rate investors, we recognized that the elevated rate environment would not last forever and by implementing a programmatic supplemental dividend, it allowed OBDC shareholders to benefit from the higher returns associated with the increased rate environment while providing the predictability of our base dividend. This move has proven beneficial since launching the supplemental dividend structure two years ago. OBDC shareholders have received a total of 47 cents of supplemental dividends per share, reflecting our commitment to ensuring our shareholders benefit from our earnings momentum. In the third quarter, OBDC's base dividend coverage was 127%, one of the highest among BDC peers providing us with ample confidence in our ability to navigate the rate environment ahead. To put this in context, given current market rate expectations, we believe our base dividend will be covered throughout 2025. Depending upon how fast rates decrease, we may continue to generate excess income and pay modest additional supplemental dividends. Turning to the market environment, while M&A activity remains subdued, we continue to find attractive risk adjusted opportunities to deploy capital and stay at our optimal portfolio leverage for enhanced returns. Even during times of muted industry deal activity, we leverage our differentiated scale and broad origination platform to maintain strong deal flow and selectivity. Our growth as a platform has resulted in a large number of incumbent lending positions. With our $128 billion of assets under management and credit, we have a deep pool of existing borrowers and sponsor relationships we could draw upon for deal flow, even in a period of modest new buyout activity. Across our platform, we are a lead or co-lead lender on roughly 90% of deals, administrative agent on approximately 65% of our investments, and have the ability to commit over $1 billion to any single investment. This significant presence typically makes us the first call when a new financing for one of our portfolio companies is in the works, driving significant deal flow. To that end, roughly two thirds of our originations this quarter were deployed into our 435 existing borrowers and refinancings or add-on acquisitions. We believe this reflects not only the confidence we have in our portfolio companies, but also the trust that private equity sponsors place in us as a preferred financing provider. We also have one of the largest direct lending teams in the industry with over 120 investment professionals coupled with several complimentary credit strategies at Blueout. The scale across both Blueout Capital and our credit platform is one of our most significant competitive advantages that provides us the ability to generate significant deal flow through our sourcing capabilities. This has allowed us to remain highly selective, even as we deployed over $9.5 billion across the platform this quarter. In addition, our growing footprint has made Blueout an attractive home for leading asset managers, which has helped drive the recent acquisitions of Adelaide Capital Management, which closed in September, and the announcement of IPI partners in October. The global investment manager focused exclusively on data centers. These acquisitions expand our platform into alternative credit, broaden our capabilities, and enhance our overall deal flow across the platform, ultimately strengthening our ability to drive originations at the fund level in the coming quarters. Looking ahead, as we think about our investment approach, we remain focused on direct lending to senior secured investments in the upper middle market. We're seeing strong results from our portfolio companies and the number of challenged positions within the portfolio is small. These achievements reflect the durability of our strategy and our continued focus on credit selection and proactive portfolio management, which remains unwavering even as economic conditions shift. Finally, I wanna provide an update on our previously announced merger with OBDE. As we discussed on our last earnings call, we expect this merger will streamline our direct lending platform, enhance our scale with a high quality diversified portfolio that offers significant investment overlap, improve our trading liquidity profile for current and prospective shareholders, increase our access to lower cost sources of debt, and finally drive operational efficiencies and cost savings. We also anticipate that it will drive NII accretion over both the near and long term with an opportunity for NAPA share accretion. We achieved an important milestone in the merger process in mid-October when the joint proxy statement of OBDC and OBDE was declared effective by the SEC. The proxy solicitation process has begun and will conclude at each of our shareholder meetings scheduled for January 8th. Our current expectation is that the transaction will close in January, 2025. We encourage all shareholders to review the proxy materials and vote your shares accordingly. As a reminder, the OBDC board of directors, myself included, has unanimously recommended shareholders vote in favor of the proposals on the ballot. With that, I'll turn it over to Logan for additional color on portfolio performance.

Thanks, Craig. We continue to find attractive opportunities to commit capital in the third quarter, driving strong origination activity and solid earnings despite the persistently low M&A deal flow. During the quarter, we deployed approximately $1.2 billion in new investment commitments, which was roughly in line with repayments. As Craig mentioned, our scale and incumbency creates an advantage, resulting in the majority of our originations this quarter coming from existing borrowers. We were able to achieve larger allocations in some of the largest, highest quality new borrowers in the market. And for our refinancing flows, we were actually able to grow our share in many deals across the platform. I would contrast this to the first quarter where we saw elevated second-lean repayments that did not present us with a reinvestment opportunity. We added 11 new names into the portfolio and funded Audio Tonics, an LBO that Blue Owl committed approximately $1.5 billion to across our platform. Over 96% of this quarter's origination activity consisted of first-lane investments. As we continue to believe that first-lane and unit-tronch loans provide the most attractive relative value in the market today. As a result, our first-lane investments have grown to 76% of the portfolio from 69% in the prior year. We believe our longstanding and disciplined approach to investing in upper middle market businesses with significant operating histories in non-cyclical sectors has resulted in an attractive, highly diversified portfolio. Our average investment represents less than one half of 1% of the portfolio, minimizing our exposure to any single company. The median EBITDA of our portfolio borrowers is $112 million and weighted average EBITDA is $197 million with an average LTV of 43%. We believe this scale can provide strategic benefits and operational stability as many of our borrowers are market leaders within their sectors. As Craig mentioned, our borrowers are performing well, having navigated the higher rate environment. Across the portfolio, our average interest coverage improved to around 1.7 times, up from 1.6 times last quarter. This is in line with how we thought about our trough coverage in the prior quarter, and we expect to see the benefits of lower base rates flowing through the portfolio companies over the next quarter. Based on the declining forward rate curve, we should expect to see continued gradual growth and gradual improvement in interest coverage. One year from now, we project our average interest coverage ratios will be in the high one times to low two times, assuming these forward rate conditions remain as forecasted and portfolio company performance remains stable. Within our portfolio, the sustained earnings growth of our borrowers continues to be the most significant driver of credit health. Overall, our borrowers are growing revenues and EBITDA in the mid single digits year over year. We'd note that earnings growth of our borrowers ticked up modestly quarter over quarter as well. Our portfolio companies have the advantages of size, scale and sponsored support, which we believe will continue to serve us well. We remain confident in the resilience of our portfolio across varying economic environments and the changing rate landscape. Our non-accrual rate in our debt portfolio remains low at 70 basis points of fair value, reflecting the removal of one name from non-accrual and no new additions this quarter. One of the primary indicators of health of our portfolio is our internal rating system. In the third quarter, our investments internally rated three to five actually declined modestly, which is another encouraging sign of the underlying health and stability of our investments. And finally, the subset of names on our watch list remains steady quarter over quarter, and we do not see any material pick up in amendment activity or other signs of stress. I also wanna spend a moment on our pick exposure, an area of heightened focus in the market. As we have said before, over 80% of our pick income was structured as such at initial underwrite, and more than half of our pick exposure is in the form of first lien investments. In addition, pick exposure remains stable year over year and quarter over quarter in the portfolio. In fact, these pick names represent some of our best investments. A recent example in the quarter was our preferred equity investment in Citrix, which was originally underwritten with PIC in 2022, carried PIC interest at inception of S plus 12%, and recently had flipped to cash pay. Due to the company's strong performance, Citrix refinanced the preferred equity with senior debt, and we generated an IRR north of 20% and a MOIC of 1.5 times. Our portfolio continues to be stable and resilient, giving us confidence in our ability to deliver attractive risk adjusted returns for our shareholders. And now I'll turn over the call to Jonathan to provide more detail on our third quarter financial results.

Thank you, Logan. Our financial performance for the third quarter demonstrated the consistency of our earnings despite the changing market environment. We ended the third quarter with total portfolio investments of $13.4 billion, outstanding debt of $7.8 billion, and total net assets of $6 billion. Our third quarter NAV per share was $15.28, reflecting the impact of credit related markdowns on a select few investments. We believe our NAV demonstrates the resilience of our portfolio as it remains near our historical highs. Turning to the income statement, we earn net investment income of 47 cents per share, down one cent from the prior quarter, driven by maintaining leverage toward the higher end of our target range and stable repayment related income. Similar to prior quarters, we meaningfully over-earned our base dividend, resulting in the board declaring a five cent supplemental dividend for the third quarter, which will be paid on December 13th to shareholders of record on November 29th. The board also declared a fourth quarter base dividend of 37 cents, which will be paid on January 15th to shareholders of record as of December 31st. As Craig mentioned earlier, we believe OBDC is well positioned for a lower rate environment. OBDC's base dividend is well covered by our earnings with 127% dividend coverage. Further supporting our distributions is our spillover income. We finished the quarter with approximately 41 cents per share of spillover as a result of meaningful over-earning of our dividends, which is a strong advantage that provides stability going forward. Terms of our asset sensitivity to lower rates, if rates are cut by an additional 50 basis points and assuming no other changes to our portfolio, we would expect NII to decrease two cents per share over the next quarter. Despite these potential headwinds, we feel very comfortable with our base dividend level amid the evolving rate environment, and any reductions in rates will take time to impact our earnings. We encourage investors to refer to the interest rate risk section of our 10Q for additional information on OBDC's asset sensitivity. Moving to the balance sheet, we continue to optimize and enhance our liability structure to deliver strong performance to shareholders. We finished the third quarter with net leverage of 1.23 times within our target range of 0.9 times to one and a quarter times based on originations that were generally in line with repayments. During the quarter, we enhanced our liquidity position by increasing our revolver capacity by approximately 30% or $585 million across six lenders, bringing OBDC's total revolving facility to $2.6 billion. This reflects the strong relationships we have built with our bank partners and represents the importance of the Blue Owl platform. As of quarter end, total liquidity stood at $2.1 billion, well in excess of our unfunded commitments. Additionally, we believe we can further reduce costs through the synergies and liability optimization resulting from our anticipated merger with OBDE. We remain very pleased with our results and with what we have accomplished with our liability structure. And now I'll hand it back to Craig to provide final thoughts for today's call.

Thanks, Jonathan. Since inception, we have delivered strong ROEs and constructed a resilient portfolio with a very low loss ratio of approximately 20 basis points. We believe this performance reflects our commitment to credit quality and a long-term approach in managing our credit business and OBDC. We've built our direct lending platform with this long-term mindset, ensuring our portfolio and dividend framework will perform well across all interest rate and economic environments. Looking ahead, we are confident that our strong origination capabilities will allow us to maintain a fully invested, high quality portfolio. While lower rates will impact OBDC's earnings, they will also reduce interest expense for our portfolio companies, enhancing their performance and potentially leading to increased M&A activity. New activity has been light in recent quarters with historically tight spreads driven by strong capital inflows into both public debt and private credit funds. This has put pressure on pipelines across the BDC sector, resulting in new joint ventures between direct lenders and established banks as they seek to expand origination efforts. At Lulau, we have not needed to pursue these strategies. As you've heard me say today, our investment team, our investment in our team, our scale, our sponsor relationships, and our long-term investment thesis have carried us through both outsized market activity and more challenged economic cycles. We believe the current market trends will not persist indefinitely. Eventually, the supply demand imbalance will improve. Lower rates could result in increased deal activity as companies invest more in growth initiatives, potentially spurring a wave of M&A and improving pricing as deal activity increases. In the meantime, while we wait for the market to recalibrate, our portfolio remains healthy, credit quality is strong, and we're confident in our ability to continue to deliver attractive returns to our shareholders. We're pleased to be entering this changing macroeconomic environment from a position of strength. With that, thank you for your time today, and we will now open the line for questions.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment while we pull for questions. Our first question is from Brian McKenna with CitizensJMP. Please proceed.

Okay, great. Good morning, everyone. So just a question to start on yields and spreads for new deals today. The average yield on new commitments totals 10% in the quarter. I know there's a few different drivers kind of within that, and it's also more challenging to predict in the near term. But where do these go from here? Do you think we're close to the bottom in terms of spreads? And then what makes you confident that private credit yields will continue to be in excess of public credit markets?

Sure. Good morning, Brian. Thanks for the question. Spreads on new deals today are as low as 475, some are 500, probably one or two that are 450. But I would say 475 is probably the center of gravity for the tight spreads for attractive deals. We're certainly doing deals that are wider than that. My sense is spreads are troughed there. Based on just activity in the last three months or so, I think that's about where it's troughed. You're not seeing things come tighter than that. I don't think there's meaningful risk that it will come tighter than that. Still, given where SOFR is, that's still, as you noted, still generates a 10 plus percent absolute return, which we think is very attractive. But I do think we're at a cyclical trough. And my hope is in the next year or so, if M&A picks up and the public markets cool a bit, that spreads will widen to a more normalized level. As to your question relative to the public markets, and I think you know this, but maybe some of the listeners don't, public market spreads are significantly tighter than 475 over. Public market spreads are 300, 325 over. And so the private markets continue to offer 100 plus basis point premiums, ignoring the fact that we also get underwriting fees that are not available to the public market investor. So the private markets continue to generate substantially higher returns, differentiated returns, versus the public markets. And I'm hopeful that spreads at some point will normalize.

Okay, that's super helpful. And then just for my follow-up, the Blue Owl platform more broadly continues to expand capabilities, including within alternative credit, and then in other higher growth areas like infrastructure and data centers. There's clearly going to be quite a bit of capital needs within both of these markets. So what does this ultimately mean for lending opportunities? Across all your BDCs, do you think you'll look to lean in here over time? And then is there any way to frame the yield opportunity here relative to regular way direct lending?

Sure. As folks know, Blue Owl has done a small number of strategic acquisitions or mergers in the last year or so, as you noted, including a significant expansion into the alternative credit space with our acquisition of IOLIA, or recently announced transaction of a large hyperscale data center, business IPI, or expansion in the insurance space. I think these are all really terrific opportunities for our direct lending platform and our BDCs. We're not changing the strategy of our BDCs. We're going to continue to be focused on upper middle market, sponsor-backed lending, and recession assistance sectors, as we have since inception. But we are going to now have just a meaningfully larger ecosystem in both the sponsor and non-sponsor world, and really high quality assets, working with teams that have generated very significant returns to investors in their respective asset classes. Having that all under one roof, one credit platform, and one asset manager platform, it's going to significantly expand our deal flow. And I think there will be opportunities, select opportunities, where we can invest in scale across the Blue Owl platform that will create select opportunities to put high quality, predictable income generating assets into our BDCs. That's a strength we haven't had before, and now we're going to have it. Again, I don't want to create a concern about strategy drift, but I do think that the scale of having a $120 billion credit platform now is going to create just new avenues for deal flow. Sponsors that might not have thought we had a relevant source of capital will now call us for new deals. Companies that may not have thought of us as a financing source will now be able to call us. Founder-owned businesses will call us. And those folks don't always necessarily know where their capital needs can best be met on our platform. And so it could just also generate regular way direct lending opportunities as before, but now people are calling us and we can direct it to the right place. Not to mention all the additional underwriting resources we'll have under one roof. So I'm quite excited about this opportunity. In terms of the return profile, each of those businesses I mentioned, the insurance business is a little bit different because it's investment-grade orientation, but the investment, the alternative credit business generates returns, really in excess of the direct lending model. And the data center business returns have been very attractive. And more importantly, the credit quality and counterparts they have in that business are extremely high. So it's a huge positive to OBDC shareholders to have this under one roof and no negatives as far as I can see.

Okay. I'll leave it there. Congrats on another strong quarter. Thank you.

Our next question is from Casey Alexander with Compass Point. Please proceed.

Hi. Good morning, Craig. Thanks for taking my questions. I kind of whiffed on the combination of dividend income and fee income this quarter, and that's on me. But I'm kind of wondering where you feel sort of the correct cadence is in sort of the run rate of the second quarter or the run rate of the third quarter, at least for the next couple quarters, until you're able to consummate the merger, then the answer to that question might be different.

Sure. I'll start and not say. Well, Casey, we would never say that you whiffed. You might have hit one off the bat into the stands, but I wouldn't call it a whiff. We do recognize that your numbers might have been a bit different than ours. Jonathan can add some additional color. You know, I think there were a couple components maybe in your model that might have been a bit off and other investors may have the same questions. One is that we do have a really significant amount of dividend income from some of our investments either in businesses like Williams Fire or Senior Loan Fund, as well as investments in some preferred stocks and the like. In the second quarter, approximately that generated about $51 million of income. On this quarter, it was down a few million dollars. There's nothing particular there. Really all of these, I think, or most of them, most of it, it's not contractually defined income. It's based on the underlying performance of an individual pool of assets or it might be a variable dividend that a particular company declares. So it can move around quarter to quarter based on what's going on in those underlying assets, a few million dollars positive or negative. Historically, the first half of this year is about $50 million. This quarter is $47 million. Next quarter, we'll just have to see. It could be up a bit. The other piece, I think, in your numbers was some fee income, primarily related to repayments. As folks know, second quarter, we had significant, really exceptional repayments, given the low rate environment, there's a lot of refinancing done. This quarter, we had some nice income generated by repayments, but it was off of that accelerated number in the second quarter. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, the fee income, excuse me, the dividend income, probably be in the same zip code. It'll pull up a bit higher. The repayment income, we'll just have to see how the quarter ends. It could be in the same zip code, maybe a bit higher, a bit lower. So I don't know, Jonathan, if any of this may... I think you hit on everything right there,

Casey, that helps you. I think you had really effectively projected an up number relative to the prior quarters. I think hopefully that straightens it out.

All right. Well, listen, thank you for taking my question. I appreciate the clarity, and the only people who don't whiff are people who don't swing. So I'll still take it as a whiff. Thank you. All right, Casey,

thanks a lot. Our next question is from Mickey Chee-Lan with Lattenberg Dowman. Please proceed.

Yes, good morning, everyone. Craig, I just wanted to touch on the non-sponsored market. Everybody's talking about how spreads are so tight in the sponsored market, et cetera. But you do have a non-sponsored segment. I was wondering if you could just review how large that is within your organization, what proportion of your portfolio is non-sponsored, and how do the economics compare there?

Sure. We've done non-sponsored deals since inception. That's part of our business plan. Associated as one of our single largest investments. It's not a sponsor-owned company. And so we do have regularly, although we generally strongly prefer sponsor-backed companies for the reasons that are obvious. They bring significant capital, governance, resources, and they can particularly, if the business is struggling, they can add all those features. That's typically not the case in a non-sponsored deal. We're going to continue to prefer a sponsor, but we will do non-sponsor selectively, really track the companies, where we get to know the ownership group and the management team extremely well. It probably goes without saying, but all BDCs focus on sponsor business because the velocity of capital and investment opportunity in the sponsor world is much higher than the non-sponsor deal. Sponsors have significant pools of capital and spend every day thinking about ways to deploy that capital generating lending opportunities for us. Non-sponsor companies can go years without generating any activity, so it's much more idiosyncratic. It's very difficult to invest capital on scale in a non-sponsor space. So we seek those opportunities. We make investments, but I think our bar for non-sponsors is just higher given the lack of some of the sponsor oversight. I think that's true today, as we started the business. In terms of the terms that you can get for non-sponsor, it varies based on the credit opportunity. I don't think it's inherently, meaningfully wider. I think that on the margin, the sponsors have a deep expertise, and law firms have deep expertise in negotiating, and so they'll push maybe in a way that a non-sponsor might not always have the same goals. A non-sponsor company cares an awful lot about who their lender is, because typically a founder of business and that relationship is critical for a number of reasons, and so there will be other goals. It may not be the last basis point for the last credit protection, but I don't think you're going to see a dramatically wider spread for non-sponsor opportunities. It's not a really different market, and so I think we'll continue to focus on sponsor.

Okay, I think I understand. Thanks for that explanation. My follow-up question relates to page 16 of the presentation. I'm just trying to triangulate some math. In the middle of that, sort of the two middle rows where we look at the weighted average interest rate on the new commitments and the weighted average spread, the weighted average interest rate on new commitments dropped by 1.2%. Spreads dropped 30 basis points, and SOFR dropped 50 basis points. I'm trying to understand the math there, and it may have something to do with my last question, which is I think if I'm reading it correctly, your allocation to Unitronch has declined pretty dramatically the last few quarters, and maybe that's the answer to the question, but I want to understand if there was something else going on there.

We're happy to follow up offline and get really detailed. Obviously, this is just focused on new commitments, so it's a relatively small portfolio, a target of 10% of the portfolio. As we've been talking about, spreads have come down over the last couple quarters, and so you can see that. A minute ago, the question was where a new deal is coming on a spread basis, and this 5.1 is not far off from what I said a minute ago, 4.75. That's just where the market migrated to in the third quarter, and the lower base rate, the lower weighted average interest on new investment commitments is obviously a combination of the lower spread and lower base rates. To your question on Unitronch, no change there. You'll continue to focus on Unitronch. Spreads on Unitronch are lower than they were, and so as you know, the term Unitronch is a bit of a term of art meant to describe a first name term loan through a leverage level higher than a typical first name term loan, and so that's where we continue to play, and that's where I think most VDCs continue to play. The spreads on that product have just come in a bit. That's certainly where our focus continues to be, and we will also evaluate, there's some reporting we put in our filings of exactly how much Unitronch we have. We go through a pretty robust process every quarter to look at every loan and determine whether it's still a Unitronch. As they improve in credit quality, they often graduate to be a first name term loan, and so quarter to quarter, if you're looking at that disclosure, that'll be not only a function of new deals, but also just how we're freshening up the analysis quarter to quarter. So again, back to your question, what happened in the quarter? New deals coming in, honestly lower spread, base rates coming down, generates lower weighted average rate on new investment commitments of about 10%.

All right, thanks for that, Craig. I appreciate your time.

All right, thank you.

Our next question is from Maxwell Frischer with Truist Securities. Please proceed.

Hi, good morning. I'm on for Mark Hughes. The average commitment in new portfolio companies was lower than it's been past several quarters as well as the maturity on those. Any purposeful or strategic shift there or just the specific investments made?

Sure, thanks for the question, it's Logan. Specific to this quarter, it was mostly relative to us being at our target leverage, and so our available capital to invest was simply lower. And so our average investment size was lower accordingly, where in the prior quarter, given what had happened in the first quarter with the second lien repayments that we mentioned, we had more available capital to reinvest, and so our bite size was a little bit bigger.

Okay, thank you. It looks like OBDE has a lesser priority on common equity investments than OBDC. I was just wondering how the combined company will prioritize these common equity investments?

It's primarily a function of the strategic equity investments that we have, like investments in our senior loan fund as well as in Wingsfire that don't exist in OBDE. So as a combined company, obviously both companies will have, obviously all shareholders will have access to that, but you'll see an immediate decline, but it gives you the room to grow those strategic investments over time.

Okay, thank you.

Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed.

Hi, guys, and I often have a funny whiff, but I haven't struck out yet. So I'm in the same mouth with Casey there. On the interest coverage, obviously, so up to 1.7, it was 1.6 last quarter, but I think the bigger part is in the beginning of the year, there were 17% of the portfolio excluded from that calculation. That's now down to 10%, so it's almost been cut in half. So the share of the portfolio where EBITDA is maybe not applicable is much lower today than it was at the beginning of the year. So can you give us any color on, you know, was that a deliberate rotation? Was that performance at the companies? Or should we expect that to shift further and focus more on, you know, cash flow, EBITDA is relevant businesses rather than where the portfolio was maybe positioned, you know, a year ago?

Thanks. Well, I don't think there's too much to draw, but I do think there's a positive to draw. I mean, when there are companies getting excluded from the calculation, it's typically because we might have invested in the company at a point in its life cycle where it's investing in its business and the cash flow is depressed. And so, you know, it would skew the calculation. We see this particularly in the software space. Or there's some other structural reason why, you know, from our underwriting standpoint, we don't think it's comparable and would skew the analysis. But our investment approach is pretty clear and simple. You know, we do that in the expectation of those companies will eventually normalize and get to a very normal range of interest coverage. And so I think you're just highlighting model works. It's working. Investing companies, they improve their credit quality over time, and they became included in the calculation because, you know, because their statistics are now, you know, not going to skew the results. We're going to continue to make those kinds of investments, though. So I don't want to signal it's going to continue to get better because we're going to continue to do deals that where we can get an attractive, risk-adjusted return, but they may have artificially skewed reported results for a few quarters. You know, I think that's something we do well, work well, continue to do it. Right now, we're probably, you know, at a low point. And it's also probably reflecting the portfolio skewing a little bit more to refinance things and re-pricing and not enough new deals. When we get an environment with new deals, some of those may have those same, non-comparable measures and the statistic might go up a bit.

Got it. Thank you.

As a reminder, just star one on your telephone keypad if you would like to ask a question. Our next question is from Phinney and O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Please proceed.

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Craig, seeing if you guys can talk about the post-quarter rehash in the SLFs, if that will sort of change in strategy or composition or anything else to think about.

Hey, Phin, it's Jonathan. No real change in the strategy at all. What we're doing is really effectively taking our historical JV, which had long, long ago been a direct first lien portfolio that's evolved to a mix of some directs and then also some broadly syndicated loans as well. And we're effectively creating, we've created a multi-BDC joint venture where effectively we can allocate out of all of our different BDCs in a much more efficient manner

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much more efficient financing from an advance rate and from an interest cost perspective. And so what's happening over here is we're effectively moving the assets from the original JV into that multi-BDC JV. And there should be very, very little friction in terms of really any friction in terms of the returns to OBDC because they're effectively taking back a prorata portion of that multi-BDC JV with the transfer of those assets over.

Okay, so we'll thank you. And as a follow-up, I have you on unsecured mix. I know things change and everyone's opportunistic, but I guess let's say today as we look through the merger and the 25 maturities, how should we think about the unsecured composition if that will go up or down in a substantial way?

Well, there are a few variables that go into that. We've got the merger closing. So right now we're about 55% on a funded basis in unsecured. That'll come down a little bit as we bring the two companies to about 50%. We've got around a billion that's coming due next year. And so what you should expect from us is that we will definitively refinance. We don't want to bring that unsecured percentage down too much. That being said, we definitely see the secured financing markets as extremely attractive from a pricing perspective as we see the unsecured markets as well. But there is a gap there. So I don't think you should see too much of a material movement in terms of the percentages. But we definitely have the opportunity on the security side to reprice some of our higher cost CLOs and other secured financing structures to lower cost over time.

Thanks so much.

With no further questions in the queue, I would like to hand the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Okay, well, thanks everyone for joining. We're really pleased with the quarter. As always, we're here to answer any of your questions. So please reach out separately if there's any follow ups. And hope everybody has a great day.

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.