Olin Corporation

Good morning and welcome to Olin Corporation's third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. Following today's brief opening comments, there will be an opportunity to ask a question. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Steve Keenan, Olin's Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Steve.

Thank you, Grant. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, let me remind you that this discussion, along with the associated slides and the question and answer session that follows, will include statements regarding estimates or expectations of future performance. Please note that these are forward-looking statements and that the actual results could differ materially from those projected. Some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ from our projections are described without limitations in the risk factors section of our most recent Form 10-K, the third quarter 2020 Form 10-Q, and in yesterday's third quarter earnings press release. A copy of today's transcript and slides will be available on our website in the investors section under past events. The earnings press release and other financial data and information are available under press releases. With me this morning are Scott Sutton, Olin's President and Chief Executive Officer, Pat Dawson, Executive Vice President and President of Foxian International, Jim Varlick, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, and Todd Slater, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We will begin with brief remarks, and thereafter we will be happy to take your questions. I'll now turn the call over to Scott Sutton.

Yeah, thanks, Steve, and hello to everybody. You know, I've been Olin's CEO for a couple months now, and I can tell you that I'm just plain lucky to be here in this great company and working with this passionate team. In fact, I'd ask you to watch carefully what this team is going to do with this company, as it will surely be exciting. My role is to lock arms with this team and win our way back to a much higher equity value. Let me start my comments with slide number three in the presentation and an update on market and business fundamentals. Look, I would say the summary is that global industry fundamentals are still intact, though currently pressured by COVID-19. In our chemicals business, the supply-demand balance is expected to push back toward demand as only limited, meaningful supply additions are foreseen on the horizon. In fact, 80%-ish effective industry utilization rates with a sophisticated player is a really good place to be as long as that player is focused on driving value. So we are that player. We're going to be that leader. For example, competing in a way that represents the value we bring to the market, as we will discuss further today. In our Winchester business, demand in the U.S. far outstrips supply because of long-term positive demand attributes. Sporting participation, new firearms owners, and self-defense readiness is way up. Military programs have multi-year growth needs under long-term commitments. I mean, we are the absolute small-caliber ammunition leader. In fact, you know, I'd say that under John Fisher's leadership, Olin has built undisputable number one global leadership positions in every single business, core alkali, epoxy, and Winchester. And when you break down the businesses into specific sources of value, the list of number ones expands to numerous product and geographic positions. John and the team did that. I mean, the necessary spending to complete that building process of approximately $1.4 billion for IT, ethylene payments, and transition cost is done. It's finished. So, what is next for Olin? We are leaping from building to leading in terms of value. So building to leading. So I'm moving to slide number four now. The next step in that evolution takes off today. Our value is not determined by industry trade indices or other items like asset utilizations and changes in input costs. Those may well be influencers. but they will not be main drivers of Olin's value. We are more eager to talk about and implement our own Olin initiatives to create main drivers. I mean look, we're committed to showing outcomes from those initiatives too. That means financial outcomes as well. So we are accelerating the implementation of an Olin unique winning model. All of our initiatives will involve principally around two foundational elements. Number one is exercising and getting value from our undisputable leadership positions as Olin is critical in this world. And number two is driving and prioritizing productivity from a large, motivated, and engaged employee base. Some new things that you should look for from our winning model, particularly from the number one foundational element of exercise in our leadership, include that we will start talking about how Olin can increase the value of the ECUs itself, and we will measure that through an Olin ECU Profit Contribution Index. This type of ECU metric is the best indicator of our success. I mean, it's really the number one indicator of our success. And that's what Olin does, increases returns on ECUs, and we are the clear global leader. Merchant-costed soda is only one element of our business. Maybe up to 25% by sales, thinking prospectively. In fact, and really as a side note, caustic is certainly not a singular driver. There are no independent caustic dynamics. If the caustic market quality is exceptionally poor, we might back down caustic and change our trading and inventory mix, resulting in slowing chlorine chain sales in order to maximize the Olin ECU value as we proactively manage our landscape. We will be sharing that ECU Profit Contribution Index with you quarterly. In fact, take a look at slide number five now. And it will represent the unit contribution value of chlorine and caustic soda through our complete and broad derivative chain, even including epoxy, and of course, including merchant sales of chlorine and caustic too. Our index will be used to set an ever-rising floor on the unit ECU profit we will accept. It is the number one marker of us resetting business value and exercising our leadership, and it covers about 75% of this company's total business. You know, a companion discussion is that unfortunately, Some industry trade indices have come to be thought of as leading indicators of our business. We plan to make them a trailing indicator only as we control our own destiny. We will do this by shifting more of our business to be based on a freely negotiated basis and negotiating directly with customers for our value. We just don't feel the industry trade indices represent the full value we will transact at. Our view of a timely example of this is the miss of the North American chlorine pricing by an index here over the last month. You know, obviously this unwinding of some industry trade indices gives us more ability to positively control the O and ECU profit contribution index. You know, as a point of reference, In Q3, we sold some rail car chlorine at the highest price since 2003. And we lifted some spot EDC pricing by more than 10 times the Q2 low price. In early Q4, we just asked for and received the largest Winchester commercial ammunition price increase in many years. And this comes on the heels of two other successful commercial price increases this year. So what's the expected outcome from our new unique winning model? Well, this is on slide number six. You know, of course, we're thinking in terms of multiples of our current equity value. But in terms of 2021, you should expect us to target an EBITDA margin roughly in the mid-teens. Composed of the following elements. One is an expected $100 million of improvement from confirmed items. So that is our Lake City Army Ammunition contract in operation and a new VCM deal. Another expected $100 million of improvement over 2020 from not repeating the second quarter COVID shutdown. Additionally, we expect up to $100 million of net, and that is net, productivity savings as our gross actions more than offset inflation pressures. And the big one is up to $200 million expected from our acceleration of leadership activities, as I just previously described. So, our levered free cash flow, and so that's after all of our capital spending, It's expected to be quite positive, somewhere between $2 and $3 a share. You know, I'd say at today's stock price, it's a huge return. So we need for every business to deliver in 2021, and every business is positioned to do so. So with that introduction, you know, I look forward to your questions on these next steps and how we will be controlling our own destiny. and how we will significantly lift our equity value. That completes the opening comments.

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask your question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Please go ahead.

Morning, Scott, and congratulations on the new job.

Thanks, Hassan.

You know, question around strategy, you know, appreciate some of the color that you gave, you know, in your earlier remarks. You know, can't help but sort of think about your past life and your time at Celanese and the sort of similarities between the acetyls chain and the chloro vinyls chain, you know, in terms of oligopolistic nature and the like. And, you know, as I sort of sit there and think about The evolution of the asset use chain, there was a step change in profitability over there, call it from 2011, 2012 onwards. And if one thinks about some of the strategic changes that were implemented, I broadly think about four silos. There was utilization rate management that was exercised, doing more with the network, as you guys used to call it, feedstock optimality, and commercial flexibility. And it seems all of those things are pretty applicable to chloro vinyls and it seems that that's the direction you guys are headed in. So is it fair to assume that each and every one of those things can be hit and this 50 to 200 million number that you're talking about in terms of exercising your leadership position over the long run actually could be far greater than that?

Yeah, you know, thanks, Hassan. I mean, I guess what I would say is, look, I mean, we're going to go out and lead with this winning model, right? You described some parts. You know, the main feature of it is we're going to exercise our number one positions. And so, you know, how are we going to do that, right? We're going to be interacting with global supply demand. We're going to be impacting our own global supply demand. And, you know, that means we're going to be Surging inventory when it's appropriate, releasing inventory when it's appropriate. We're likely to do more trading as we reach into pockets of global liquidity that are already out there. We're not going to be selling into poor quality markets. And, you know, when we do that, we're going to be overlaying a price increase, and that lets us That's the main elements of how we're going to go out and manage our landscape. And underneath all that, we'll certainly have rigorous commerce. We use the terms edgy commerce in here to make sure we get the best price that we can get and get the best deal in place at every customer. Overlaying all this in the future, you'll hear us talk about using forward intelligence, you can think of it as AI almost, to predict the best point that we should run at. So where are we going to set our ECU knob and know that three months in advance? So it really contains a number of elements, right? You've got that umbrella of where to set our ECU knob, how we manage our landscape, and then our edgy commerce activities. and the numbers we've quoted.

Very helpful, Scott. And as a follow up on the near return side of things, you know, obviously you touched on the chlorine price hike that has been announced. So question is that how sustainable do you think in the near term that price hike is, keeping in mind, you know, some facilities in the U.S. coming back online and then, you know, chatter about a Brazilian facility on the chloral chloride side coming back online as well. And part and parcel with that is we're talking about some of the pricing moves. On the raw side of things, how are you guys thinking about the recent move up that we've seen in natural gas prices?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, from our side and for our business, right, I think the sustainability and materialization of that chlorine price increase are – Good. If you looked at our portfolio, certainly in our small amount of spot business, we've achieved both price increases and more. Where we have contracts and negotiate every month, I want to say that we've generally achieved it as well. Some customers have not picked up all the volume they normally do. And I would say even further evidence of that, Hassan, is that where we have contract business on an index and we have Thank you so much. Sure.

Our next question will come from Mike Sisson with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Mike, your line may be needed on your end.

Yeah, sorry, guys. I apologize about that. Scott, welcome back and look forward to working with you. In terms of exercising your leadership position and correlating that with the ECU contribution index, how do we think your variables or your actions will change depending on where that index sort of lies?

Yeah, well, thanks, Mike. And, of course, you know, our intention is to steadily move that index up over time. And, yeah, there could be some quarters where it flattens. and many more. We can talk about what we're doing on fixed cost and productivity in a bit, and Jim will comment on a question on that later. We'll be watching volume carefully, but once you lose unit contribution across something that represents such a large part of your company, it can take you months and years to recover it. So here's what you should expect us to do, Mike. If some part of our whole ECU value chain, whether it's on coring derivative side or the caustic side, is showing bad quality out there in the marketplace, we're very likely to withdraw, right, or slow down inserting material into such, you know, a bad quality market for us. And therefore, you know, the repercussions of that will be that it'll likely torque us on the other side and we'll have to decide what derivatives we're going to put it in and we're going to put it into the derivatives with the best opportunities for Olin. So that's one way that it'll guide us.

Got it. And then when you think about that 50 to 300 million, those are drivers for 21, right? So what do you think that potential is over a cycle over the next five to six years and then It doesn't seem like there's any major capacity coming on so maybe your thoughts there over the next several years.

Here's what I would say to that. First of all, global dynamics only get better. Demand is going to continue to increase. There's no meaningful supply coming online and therefore the application of our unique model only gets Great. Thank you.

Our next question will come from Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Scott, I was wondering if you could address your go-to-market strategy around the ECU in some practical terms. So, for example, would the mix of contract versus spot business change? And to the extent that you have contracts, Would the percentage linked to benchmark assessments go down? And then finally, what are your initial thoughts about price protection? It seems that convention in the industry has been that many large buyers enjoy quarterly price protection. What do you think about quarterly versus monthly versus spot?

Yeah, thanks a lot for that. I mean, they will absolutely all evolve to be much more open and much more freely negotiated. Because in order to be effective to run this kind of model, right, we've got to have knobs that we can turn that are totally under our control every day, right? It's an essential component of that. So today, we're much too heavily weighted towards having contracts that are tied to perhaps an external industry. So we're going to be working to reduce that, right? And we're going to try to even pull forward some of that work because we have the ability to trade getting control over that knob today for giving customers security of supply out in the future, and that allows us to open up contracts that you might think Thank you for joining us. manage our landscape and interact with global supply demand in a positive way. So it takes every support team in this company to be coordinated on that. And the real business that we're running here is lifting people and teams and connecting them to this winning model.

That's very helpful. And then secondly, if I may, would you comment broadly on Your expectations in the fourth quarter as it relates to seasonality against the current market backdrop of many supply dislocations across the industry, how do you think volumes will play out relative to a normal seasonal pattern?

I would echo a little bit about what we put in our press release. We're going to see a little bit of that. That's not honestly a real big Thanks so much.

Our next question will come from Frank Mitch with Fermium Research. Please go ahead.

Yes, good morning, Scott, and let me echo the congratulations on the new role and the chance to reconnect.

Yeah, clearly fairly traumatic changes with respect to how chlorine is treated at Olin.

So I was wondering if you could update us on on your ability to flex between captive and merchant on chlorine. And with respect to merchant, you know, some of it is rail cars, some of it is pipeline. And, you know, I'd assume that on the pipeline side might have more price protection. Is there any way that you can kind of quantify some of these metrics here so we can understand, you know, how some of the new changes on chlorine pricing actually will flow through for Olin?

Yeah, I mean, sure, you know, I'll start and Todd might want to, you know, join in here a little bit. You know, for chlorine, we're just, you know, we're heavily weighted today on contracts that are tied to an index. And we have a good bit of business that goes into pipeline. But, and I think we've shared before that if you think about merchant chlorine, it's, you know, it's around one-fifth. Right of our total coring. But on the large part that is rail car coring, which by the way, rail capacity is certainly a limiting factor right now out there in the marketplace. I mean, we have and are gaining every day more flexibility. If the merchant world doesn't look good as we have the ability to push that back through a number of derivatives all the way out to the end of our epoxy chain. But I'll let Todd comment.

Scott, I would echo the comment about chlorine by rail is very tight in our system. And you can see that by lead times that we've implemented over the last month, month and a half, and the requirements related to that. So I'd say quarrying by rail is especially tight, right?

Gotcha. Gotcha. Understood. And just coming back to the upside here in the third quarter that you announced, we'd imagine that some of these indices that you've talked about are showing caustic, having declined in the third quarter and an expectation that'll actually happen here in the fourth quarter as well. But your contracts are with a lag. Any way to quantify the benefit in terms of the lag that you saw in the third quarter and kind of what your expectations are for cost to price realizations in the fourth quarter in the Olin system relative to the third quarter?

Yeah, you know, I have a You know, a specific number for the benefit. I mean, you're right. I mean, we do get a little bit of lag there. So there's some level of benefit. But, you know, I would also, speaking about the fourth quarter, right, I would just refer back to our, you know, earlier, you know, discussion a little bit there that, you know, it's not about a singular product, right? I almost don't care. or it doesn't matter because we're going to run our model just like in the fourth quarter such that we have a lot of places to get value from. And one of the ways we generate value is not selling into a poor quality market. And so the more the quality decreases, the more we're going to turn that knob, right? So it's not significant.

Got you. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Sure.

Our next question will come from Vincent Anderson. Let's stay full. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, everyone. When I think about the $50 to $200 million target, How are you thinking about the near-term balance between maybe some additional SG&A for those direct negotiations, incremental capital for inventory management infrastructure, fixed cost coverage, things like that, kind of relative to what you see as easy wins in the near term?

Yeah, sure. So Jim's going to answer the bulk of this question. I mean, I would just say that we have Broad opportunities across all those buckets for productivity, and it's many small things that are going to add up to a big thing. Internally, I like to say we're masters of the small on this, but I'll let Jim answer this.

Sure. Yeah, I would say that your comment on adding FCNA to add these capabilities and so forth, and quite honestly, we'd probably be working at getting more efficient rather than adding and still being able to cover what we need. From a productivity standpoint, we actually have very well-established programs here at Olin. Every division, every function, every site has productivity goals and objectives for not only the coming year, but has had the past years. In fact, at the point of reference, we actually have 1,127 active projects across the company all geared towards driving productivity and getting our fixed costs and our costs down to be able to make sure that we can pull that lever and deliver on that 50 to 100 million dollar net productivity objective that we have. We do have momentum on productivity. Things like you've heard about our vanillin chloride asset closure, the chlorine closure that we announced about a year ago or so. Epoxy Novolac plant is closing as well. So we have a number of projects and so forth that will deliver momentum as we head into 2021. And some are large, some are small, but they all add up at the end of the day.

Thanks, Jim. That actually answered my next question, so I'll try a different one here. When you think about your position in kind of globally traded EDC volumes, I'm just curious to see, you know, do you see that as a particularly attractive near-term opportunity to maybe smooth out that volatility through commercialization changes, or do you have a house view on non-integrated PVC expansions that would largely solve some of that volatility through higher demand?

I guess as an umbrella statement, because we're doing broad portfolio management under a unique model, generally speaking, any volatility, up or down, is going to be good for Olin. And we're going to be able to take advantage of that. Specifically for EDC being the largest merchant Yes, we are able to provide a number of activations out there to get the right value. So we are getting value from that, and we expect to continue to get some more value from that. What I will say, I mean, you brought up sort of the PBC demand versus caustic and so forth. If you think about our... Our configuration right now, we're not participating in an optimal configuration, right? PVC is exceptionally strong, which of course is spitting out a lot of caustic, and we are a smaller participant in the chain to PVC. And I guess the reason I point that out is is because it's a real testament to how we're starting to run the company and how we're running our model right now today because we're doing okay even in that dynamic which isn't our best dynamic. So we're able to do things with EDC. We had the discussion earlier on chlorine and there are some strong parts there in other thermosets and thermoplastics that it goes into in the Yeah, I mean, that's how our model's got to work.

I appreciate the detail. Thanks again.

Sure.

Our next question will come from Eric Petrie with Citi. Please go ahead.

Hi, Scott. Good morning. Hi, Eric. Olin acquired the Dow Chlorine Products business to expand their chlorine envelope. where are you thinking that value can be uplifted and captured from those downstream products and what currently now is, in your view, poor quality or low economic return?

I would say that it's going to be across the entire portfolio. There's been a lot of effort and money and sweat by so many people to put this company together that we don't have to go out and build anymore, right? And we don't have to pump a lot more money into that building process. So, I mean, we have a game plan to start leading using what's already been built. And that's going to be our game plan until that. We've got to get up in that range to match what we said we'd do at Investor Day, and we're going to do it. As far as areas that we're lifting, lifting merchant chlorine is fundamental to this company, and so you see us out there doing that. That's going to push along and drive many things, in fact, all the way to through our epoxy business, which I'm going to ask Pat to comment on here in just a minute. And our epoxy business is one of our downstream businesses that is subject to this chloralkali ECU winning model and also has its own similar landscape management model built in around epiclorohydrin and epoxy. So epoxy, to your question, is one area that we can absolutely lift margins on. And so I'll ask Pat, will you comment a little bit on that?

Sure, Scott. Can you hear me? Yes. Like you were saying, just a little bit of the lead in around epichlorohydrin. You know, we're the only producer of epichlorohydrin now in North America, and of course we have a major leadership position on epi in Europe as well. and so EFI is really critical to strategically what we're trying to do with our epoxy portfolio and then how we monetize that EFI in the form of liquid epoxy resin, solid epoxy resin and other ways we can sell those epoxy resin equivalents into the downstream. So back to the plot here of not selling into low return segments applies to epoxy just like it does... and the rest of the portfolio. Driving productivity. Jim mentioned, you know, we just made the announcement to shut down a Novolac plant in North America, which wasn't productive. And we have other ways to still participate in that market, but in a more productive way with our asset capabilities in Europe. So, you know, I think through EFI and how we monetize that EFI into various channels, where we select having a sharper edge on where we sell the epi and the liquid epoxy resin is exactly what we're going to do.

Thanks, Pat.

Great. Thank you. And then my follow-up question is on the leadership position bucket of $50 to $200 million. You know, it's quite a bit of a range. So what is your view on industry conditions in ECU? Chlorine is beginning to increase in price, which leads to recoveries. And then caustic soda typically bottoms within a quarter to two. But consultancies still expect price degradation in caustic soda into next year. So what is your view? And do you agree with consultants or do you take a different stance?

Well, yeah, thanks for the question. My view is that our ECU value is going to go up, no matter what. That's how we're going to run our model. I'll certainly acknowledge that we need to continue to give our model more tools and more degrees of freedom. That takes just a little bit of time to get in place. But even... Even with the degrees of freedom that we have today, I'm confident that we can make ECU values move up. And I think the proof of being the pudding in our ECU profit contribution index, which is that measure of all variable margin for all our products that use chlorine or caustic divided by our total volume of and I think to some extent we're having to prove that a little bit here in the fourth quarter. Because, yeah, I acknowledge that, you know, caustic is moving down in the public indexes and, you know, we haven't built a plan for next year that's only based on caustic flattening Thank you.

Our next question will come from Mike Latehead with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Great, thanks. Good morning, and Scott, welcome.

Thanks, Mike.

I do want to go back to the chlorine conversation and the pricing dynamic. I guess my understanding is, call it roughly a third of your chlorine goes to Dow, which I assume there's not really much pricing flexibility there. Another third goes into what I would call More pure global commodities like EDC or liquid epoxy resin, where I think pricing power is probably a bit challenging on your own. And then the remaining third, potentially, you can drive more value, whether it's merchant chlorine, epi that you mentioned earlier, or chlorinated organics. Am I kind of thinking about that bucket of opportunity correctly? Or kind of where among that chlorine envelope do you think you can drive the most value per se?

Yeah, Mike, I mean, that's not too bad. But I would just add, you know, a little bit to that. I mean, while it's not, you know, a whole third, right, it's not far off. That goes to one single consumer that is more cost-based. So we've sort of taken that out of the equation. It's not even represented in our ECU profit contribution index. basically the only thing that's not really represented there. And then you get to the other, call it at least 70%. We've recently proven that we're able to materialize price increases there and in many cases we've gotten both of our price increases. We had announced $80 a ton and we followed it up by $100 a ton. And that's on the business The other part, a little bit to your point, is that we're priced on index contractually, right? And unfortunately, that index completely missed the run and pouring here that's going to continue. And that goes back to some of my opening comments. And yeah, that limits us today. So we're going to be working to make sure that that misrepresentation no longer takes place.

Got it. That's super helpful. And then a question for Todd, a bit of a technical question, but I think important. Could you maybe clarify how you're treating or accounting for the delta between what you believe Oxy contractually owes you under your chlorine arrangement and what you've been getting paid. I know you won't comment on the litigation, but I guess how has that amount, has that amount been fully included in adjusted EBITDA and have you taken any bad debt allowance on that?

We would not comment on the amount other than to say we think we've recorded the dispute between Olin and Oxy appropriately. Obviously, any resolution associated with that dispute could only be positive from a cash flow perspective as we go forward.

I guess just from an adjusted EBITDA perspective, that $80 million last year, was that included or was that not included?

From an adjusted EBITDA perspective, I'm not sure where $80 million would come from. I think, directionally, the annual dispute is in the $50 million range. So, Mike, I mean, just to make sure it's clear, right?

I mean, we recorded that, you know, where we think it should be, I guess, is the thing we would say. But I do want to clarify, I mean, I think Todd said exactly the right thing, right? Win or lose Thank you, Scott.

Our next question will come from John Roberts with UBS. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and congrats, Scott, and welcome back to the public company quarterly earnings call.

Yeah, thanks, John.

It was unclear to me if the ECU profit contribution includes variable margin on ethylene since your contracts are based on cost, not market price of ethylene, and obviously the margin on ethylene is going to go up and down with energy prices.

Yes. So John, I mean, it includes the variable margin of any product that we sell that uses or starts with chlorine or caustic. So therefore, let's take EDC as the example. It's the one that uses most of the ethyl ethylene, right? So you look at You know, the sales revenue of EDC, you know, less all the variable costs of which, you know, ethylene is one component of that, right? That is the total variable profit that goes into the index.

Yeah, I guess I'll go through a little bit more offline as well. But secondly, if you look backwards to the second quarter, Do you have in mind a pro forma level that the new approach might have held it to? I mean, what might you have done back in the second quarter to not drop down to 92.7?

Well, you know, I mean, John, so it's a little bit of a hypothetical question. I would say just look at third quarter. As an example, right, we were able to move it back up. You know, the other way I would try to address your question is that until that ECU profit contribution index gets up to around 1.5 or 2, then we're not running this business at a place that represents reinvestment economics, right? So our model has a lot of potential to really pull that up. And so that's pretty substantial, John. I mean, if you think about raising it to 1.5, it being 75% of the company's business, that means we have to increase our variable margin by effectively 50% to get it there across all those products. So I don't know if I'm answering your question or not,

That's helpful. Thank you very much. Okay.

Our next question will come from with KeyBank. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you. Good morning, and Scott, congratulations and good luck. Just to come back to your 2021 EBITDA drivers slide, you show 50 to 200 million opportunity for exercising leadership positions. How do you think about caustic soda scenarios in that bucket roughly? Something similar to the price level that we see today, improvement or potentially further deterioration? Do you think of it as a system, but still Caustic has pretty high sensitivity to your numbers?

Yeah, I'll answer your, yeah, thanks for the question. I'll answer your question specifically, but first I'll sort of say, you know, I don't know and it doesn't matter almost, right? I mean, Caustic could end up in a number of places within reasons. Because we're going to thrive on that volatility and lead with this winning model of exercising our number one positions across our whole portfolio, that we'll come out with a good outcome. I guess to be more specific on your question, if it stayed where it was today, clearly we're in great shape. We just started really implementing this model and practicing it a little bit. In September there, it was a great month for us. I'm really proud of the team, not just the commercial team like I said before, but the whole company for really attaching to it. I would say we have miles and miles Thank you for that. Coming back to chlorine, can you give us some sense what percent of your merchant chlorine business is tied to the indexes?

And how long it might take to get away from that? Are we looking for, you know, maybe one year, a couple years, or something longer?

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I probably won't give you an exact number, but maybe you can, you know, hypothesize what it is from that. My answer is way too much, okay, is tied to the index. And as far as how long it's going to take us to work our way out of that, I mean, we are working on it hard today. and a chunk unwound and we'll still have part of it tied to an index in 2022. Thank you.

Okay. Our next question will come from Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. It's Matthew on for Steve. Operating rates in the U.S. aren't actually tight for much of these products. I mean, PVC maybe aside. So you, you know, bust up the contracts and you're no longer on index and you start moving price where you can. You know, how do you expect competition to respond to this? I would imagine they're not going to sit back idly and kind of let you get away on the margin end. And I mean, I realize a lot of chlorine can be a local market. And so... There's a lot of the commentary relating to just the merchant opportunity and turning levers where you can where you don't have much competition because given so much of its kind of pipeline in a very competitive Gulf Coast, I would think there would be kind of natural buffers with competition.

Yeah, I mean, thanks for the question, right? You know, I won't comment on, you know, what competition might do. I would just sort of put up a few points here. Number one is we're the leader in chlorine and derivatives and we're critical to the world. It doesn't matter what the operating rate is, we're critical to the world. That's the first point I would say. The second point I would offer is that effective utilization rates are quite different than nameplate utilization rates. And when you have assets and maybe others face the same, right, that haven't necessarily been fully invested in or certainly don't meet reinvestment economics, that that effective utilization rate really becomes The nameplate operating rate. So I would just contend a little bit that, you know, ECU operating rates are a bit tighter than you might think. And again, you know, demand is okay there, you know, inorganic. So you think of titanium dioxide and bromine, it's all okay. Polyurethanes and epoxies as well. That's kind of how I respond.

Understood. And then if I were to think about, you know, maybe like three to four big opportunities you think you have in your back pocket to drive growth, I know you mentioned like epoxy being one, or sorry, epi being one, but perhaps other things that we're not thinking about as it relates to kind of what can be kickers on EBITDA over the next two years. Definitely.

Well, you know, in the next two years, right, it's all about growth in ECU contribution profit, right? I mean, we have some opportunities for volume growth, but it's not about volume growth, right? We lead in volume. We can get volume any day that we want to get it, right? But it's all about growth in unit profitabilities. because that's the number one thing we need to be the value player and be the value leader, right? Some of those things that are certainly solid growth in volume is epoxy and Pat spoke to that earlier and you look at some of the applications we sell into, right? are a good source of growth for us and perhaps the number one source of growth for us is in small caliber ammunition as there's great positive fundamentals there on both the military side and the consumer side as well as participation is way up. And just as an example of that, more people are now doing shooting sports and target shooting All right, I'll leave it there. Thank you. Okay, sure.

Our next question will come from Matthew Blair with Tudor Peckering Holtz. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, Scott. I had a question on the new model here. It definitely sounds a lot more nimble. I think you make a good case that there's more upside down the road, but it also seems like there's a potential for just a lot more volatility in your bottom line results. Is that fair? Would you agree with that? And if so, is that something that you're comfortable living with or Do you expect to take specific actions to keep things pretty stable?

Yeah, thanks. I mean, that's a good question, right? And, you know, I think you heard me say before that I actually think volatility up or down in the drivers for us now is a good thing because we get the opportunity to turn a number of knobs. But you're right. I mean, in the near term, there could be some volatility because Until the model is fully functioning and we have our optimal configuration in place, we may choose to hold value up on the ECU. And to do that, we move a lot less volume through one particular corridor. But if we do that, I would rest assured that it'll be a purposeful activity. And as soon as we come out of that activity, apply the volume back to it, I think we'd be in pretty good shape.

Sounds good. And then my follow-up is on ECU costs in the fourth quarter here. So we can all see natural gas prices are moving up. It looks like at the same time that electricity prices are coming down. does that present any sort of an opportunity for Olin and if so would you be able to capitalize on that?

Yeah I mean maybe others will want to comment on this right I mean we have a mix of electricity some is self produced some is purchased right I'm not seeing big swings in our purchased electricity you know we commented a little earlier on Potential for gas to move up, which is really more a European driver for us right now than anything. But yeah, you're right. I mean, we've got to go out and capture any movements in this. This is the one thing that maybe is less pass-through than some of our other, you know, raw materials, some of the other hydrocarbons that we buy. We have a lot of pass-through activity on those. Go ahead, Todd.

Matthew, you do know we hedge gas and about 70% of our power comes from gas. So any increases you'll see or decreases you'll see through our system over time. So realistically, it's not that big of a near-term headwind into the fourth quarter for us. The other big area for power is hydropower. So you won't necessarily see swings in cost that you're talking about associated with that.

Got it. Thank you. Our next question will come from Travis Edwards with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the time, thanks for the detail this morning. We're briefed as we're getting to the end of the call, but just one on capital allocation in the last few quarters. Your team has gotten questions just on the high group fund debt and sort of capital allocation priorities, I think, you know, as an extension of that question. It feels like that sentiment has sort of shifted from a full refi, obviously, of the high group fund debt to more paying down with incremental free cash flow generation. Just curious how you're thinking about sort of cadence of debt pay down as well as sort of priorities across, you know, high fund debt that's still left outstanding versus, you know, more near-term maturities.

Thanks. Travis, this is Todd. You know, obviously with the action that we did in the middle of October by taking $100 million of cash and reducing the 9.7% acquisitions that's the model you should continue to expect from Olin. Obviously as we generate free cash flow, you'll see us fund the dividends and pay down debt. As opposed to a rate arbitrage, we would expect to deliver the balance sheet with excess cash flow. We have, as you saw on one of the slides in the back, minimal cash requirements over the next three years for debt repayment. The biggest one would be $200 million in 2022. So that gives us a lot of opportunity to use our excess cash flow to take out high-cost debt.

Got it. And then can you just remind us what I guess you would consider excess free cash flow or excess cash?

I mean, for next year, it's $2 to $3 a share, right? So that's lever-free cash flow. So it's after interest, after all capital, all fixed capital, all working capital. That $2 to $3 a share is available to do exactly what Todd said. Of course, we're going to pay the rock-solid dividends. and then we're going to use the rest to pay down some high-cost debt.

Got it. Appreciate the time and congrats on your seat, Scott. Thanks.

Thanks.

Next question will come from RM This One FM with RBC Capital Market. Please go ahead.

All right, thanks for taking my question. Good morning and congrats on the new role and success over there, Scott. I guess my question is, first off, I'd start by on the on the leadership strategy, it sounds like there's, you know, maybe maybe two things in the strategy, which is detaching from the contracts, and then only selling in higher value parts of the chain. It does a little bit remind me of, you know, selling these options to move the CDIC into VAM. So I guess in other parts, you know, is that somewhat of a fair characterization? And then maybe you can just offer your thoughts on, you know, what changed within the company for you to affect this strategy? I'm just curious because historically, you know, these opportunities have been there maybe over the last couple of years, but is it just the tie into the contracts that you want to move away from? Is it the opportunities that you can sell more of the chlorine? You have more outlets for the chlorine or a combination of all that?

Yeah, thanks. I mean, the way I would characterize this, right, it's really, you know, Olin unique, right? It's our own winning model. It's a much more sophisticated model than, you know, you might have seen in other places in the, multiple sets of supply-demand characteristics that are all somewhat tied together, right? So the smartest player is going to win in that, and the player that connects everybody in the company to that model, because it really is like a 3D game of chess. That's what you have to envision with this model, and it's doing... many, many things, right? Some of those things that I named earlier. And it's doing them all at the same time. Putting those activations or activities in place all at the same time that we draw up in a war room sort of every day and play out every week, okay? So I just, you know, want to say that it's quite an old and unique situation, right? As far as Why are we doing this now? I mean, the team has been incredibly occupied, right, with trying to build to the point that we could do this. This was always the next step in the evolution. And we're just here, right? I mean, I arrived and everybody's carrying me on their back for what they intended to do. And like I said, I'm just glad to lock arms and be able to do that. So that's it.

Okay, I appreciate that. And then just the last question is just on the portfolio itself. You know, given what you just said, are there any areas of the portfolio that you feel like you need to potentially exit? You know, have they consistently been low value contributors? Yeah, thanks. That's it.

Yeah, sure. I would say everything's going to contribute at a lot higher value. And of course, we'll always do what delivers the best return if to shareholders. But knowing our future outlook, you know, no one's going to pay the multiple that they're worth right now. Okay?

Thanks.

Okay.

This will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Scott Sutton for closing comments.

Yeah, I mean, thanks a lot. I mean, you know, so with that, I would just say You know, that Olin will meet the expectation that's been set for us. We're going to lead. We're going to be productive. We're going to be very engaged, and we're going to win our way back to a much higher equity value. So, you know, I would just say thanks to everybody for joining us today.

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