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Greetings and welcome to the Oshkosh Corporation's second quarter 2025 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Pat Davidson, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for Oshkosh Corporation. Thank you, sir. You may begin.

Good morning, and thanks for joining us. Earlier today, we published our second quarter 2025 results. A copy of that release is available on our website at OshkoshCorp.com. Today's call is being webcast and is accompanied by a slide presentation, which includes a reconciliation of -non-gap financial measures that we will use during this call and is also available on our website. The audio replay and slide presentation will be available on our website for approximately 12 months. Please refer now to slide two of that presentation. Our remarks that follow, including answers to your questions, contain statements that we believe to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. These risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our Form 8K filed with the SEC this morning and other filings we make with the SEC, as well as matters noted at our Investor Day in June 2025. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward-looking statements, which may not be updated until our next quarterly earnings conference call, if at all. Our presenters today include John Pfeiffer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Pat Field, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please turn to slide three and I'll turn it over to you, John. Thank

you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. Before we get into the quarter, I want to highlight the positive response we've received to our June 5th Investor Day. This slide from the event highlights the key elements that we believe make Oshkosh an attractive Bringing the full strength of our portfolio, united by our shared strategy, accelerated innovation in autonomy, electrification, and intelligent, connected products, all supported by favorable long-term trends. I want to reiterate two key messages from the event about our 2028 targets. First, we expect to deliver sizable revenue growth. And second, we expect to transform margins. We believe many of the key drivers that support these returns are largely under our control at Oshkosh. Turning to slide four, we delivered an adjusted operating margin of .5% on revenue of $2.7 billion in our second quarter. This led to adjusted earnings per share of $3.41, an increase of .1% over the prior year. These results reflect strong performance across each of our segments, which Matt will dig into later in the call. We grew adjusted EPS and maintained adjusted operating income margin year over year despite lower revenue, reflecting continued strong performance in our vocational segment, improved returns in our transport segment, and a resilient mid-teens margin in our access segment. Maintaining adjusted operating income margins on lower revenue highlights our commitment to transform margins as we move forward. Our results reflect the disciplined execution of our innovate, serve, advance strategy, which we show on slide five. Through this strategy, we have expanded our portfolio to include strong operations like Aerotech and AUSA that expand our business into attractive adjacent markets while improving our earnings profile. Turning to slide six for Q2 highlights, as I mentioned earlier, we discussed our plans to grow the company at our investor day. We were excited to share our 2028 targets with you all, including a compound annual revenue growth rate of 7 to 10 percent and transformative margin expansion of 200 to 400 basis points. While these are targets for 2028, we believe the building blocks that support our plan are in place today. As we expected and highlighted at our investor day, we signed the three-year sole source contract for FMTV, the family of medium tactical vehicles program, with the Department of Defense just a week later. This contract includes updated pricing and an economic price adjustment mechanism, which we believe will yield favorable returns as we build units under the contract. A significant part of the FMTV program is the launch of our LVAD, or low velocity air drop variance, which have been favorably received by the DOD. This new FMTV contract follows our five-year FHTV, the family of heavy tactical vehicles, contract with the DOD that we signed last year and has similar terms. Our performance this quarter in the transport segment, in part, reflects production of FHTV units under these new contract terms. For the delivery side of the transport segment, we're making steady progress with the production ramp up of the next generation delivery vehicle for the United States Postal Service at our Spartanburg, South Carolina facility. In June, we surpassed one million cumulative miles driven by postal workers across the fielded NGV fleet, an exciting milestone that reflects the momentum of this program. And in July, the USPS topped 1.5 million cumulative miles. We're also pleased to welcome Steve Nordland, who joined in mid-July to lead the transport segment. Steve brings a proven track record of innovation, leadership, and success in securing major defense contracts. Most recently, he led Boeing's Air Dominance Division, which includes the recent award of the sixth generation F-47 fighter aircraft. He's a valuable addition to our team and is well positioned to help drive continued growth and performance in this segment. Turning to slide seven, another highlight of the quarter was the launch of our micro-sized scissor lift, which we announced in May and we began delivering in June. This product, specifically designed for data center customers, has been so well received that we are already evaluating options to expand capacity for this model and broaden the product line. Sales in the excess segment were in line with expectations. The segment delivered nearly 15% adjusted operating income for the quarter, despite 11% lower revenue. Last, but certainly not least, I want to highlight the strong performance in our vocational segment. At Investor Day, we discussed the opportunity to expand capacity progressively in this segment to meet growing demand and fulfill backlog orders. Deliveries of our fire apparatus increased 7% in the quarter compared to last year, which included 15 trucks for Kansas City, Missouri, a great example of the many deliveries we're making to fire departments across North America. These efforts contributed to a 15% revenue increase for the segment and 20% growth for fire apparatus. We are proud to serve firefighters throughout the country and are honored to once again co-sponsor the 9-11 Memorial Stair Climb on September 20th at Lambeau Field in Green Bay. This is the 13th year of our support for this outstanding event benefiting the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation. We are committed to partnerships like these and building our business to be sustainable for the long term. Many of our initiatives are highlighted in our 12th Annual Sustainability Report, which we published in June. In summary, this was another strong quarter for Oshkosh with contributions from all our segments. As we shared at our Investor Day, we believe we are well positioned to grow revenue and transform our margins between now and 2028, and the building blocks to deliver on this growth are evident in this quarter's results. With that, I'll hand it over to Matt to walk through our detailed financial results.

Thanks, John. Please turn to slide 8. Consolidated sales for the second quarter were $2.7 billion, a decrease of $115 million, or 4%, from the same quarter last year, primarily due to lower sales volume in the access and transport segments, which was partially offset by higher vocational sales volume and improved pricing. Adjusted operating income was $313 million, down slightly from the prior year as a result of lower sales volume. Adjusted operating income margin of .5% was consistent with the prior year despite lower sales. Adjusted earnings per share was $3.41 in the second quarter, $0.07 higher than last year. During the quarter, we stepped up our share repurchases, repurchasing nearly 415,000 shares of our stock for about $40 million, bringing our -to-date share repurchases to nearly $70 million. Share repurchases during the previous 12 months benefited adjusted EPS by $0.06 compared to the second quarter of 2024. Positive free cash flow for the quarter of $49 million was significantly higher than the second quarter of 2024, which had a net use of cash of $251 million. Improved free cash flow primarily reflected the timing of tax payments and better management of receivables. Turning to our segment highlights on slide 9, the access segment delivered resilient adjusted operating income margins of .8% on sales of $1.26 billion. Market conditions for access equipment in North America were in line with our expectations. Sales were $151 million lower than last year, reflecting the expiration of our agreement to produce cap branded telehandlers, which ended last year, and higher discounts. We also experienced lower sales volume in Europe, which was partially offset by sales at IUSA. Our vocational segment continued to deliver higher sales volume and improved pricing as we worked down our backlog, achieving an adjusted operating income margin of .3% on $970 million of sales. Vocational .3% adjusted operating income margin was a 220 basis point increase from last year, reflecting improved price cost dynamics. The transport segment delivered an improved operating income margin of .7% compared to .1% last year, despite lower sales volume. Transport sales decreased $93 million to $479 million. Revenue from delivery vehicles represented an increasing share of transport sales, growing from 6% a year ago when we began shipping NGDVs to 11% during the first quarter of 2025 and 22% during the second quarter. As expected, defense vehicle volume was lower due to the wind down of the domestic JLTV program, partially offset by higher international sales of tactical wheeled vehicles. Improved FHTV pricing, as highlighted by John, was the largest contributor of the higher operating income margin. Please turn to slide 10. Turning to our outlook for the balance of this year, the tariff environment continues to remain dynamic. As we incorporate the impact of pauses and revisions to tariff rates, as well as our strong performance this quarter, we expect a more limited impact from tariffs on our business compared with the last quarter, after incorporating the cost actions we have enacted. For the year, we project the impact of tariffs to be fully offset and expect our adjusted EPS for the year to be in the range of $11 per share on revenues of approximately $10.6 billion, equal to our pre-tariff guidance. We anticipate tariffs and market dynamics will impact each segment differently, leading to a slightly weaker access adjusted operating income margin with stronger vocational and transport results, as shown on the slide. This remains a fluid environment and I'm confident we have the levers across the organization to deliver these results, assuming the external macro environment remains resilient, as we've seen today. We are also increasing our outlook for free cash flow from a range of $300 million to $400 million to $500 million, reflecting primarily the recently enacted tax bill and operating performance. In the second quarter, we stepped up share repurchases and we fully expect to continue to materially increase the pace of our share buybacks across the year. I want to reiterate what we said last quarter. And you saw it our investor day and in our 2028 targets, that we remain committed to execute on our strategies despite uncertainty introduced by tariffs. We believe the trends that support our industry leading businesses will provide long-term growth opportunities and we are well positioned to capitalize on these opportunities. With that, I'll turn it back over to John for some closing comments.

Thanks Matt. Despite the dynamic tariff environment, we're well positioned to take the necessary actions to deliver strong performance. We shared our vision for the company, our balanced and resilient business, and our path to roughly double adjusted EPS to a targeted range of $18 to $22 per share in 2028. Our performance in the second quarter is just the first step on this journey and we are excited to share our progress with you along the way. I'll turn it back to you Pat for the Q&A.

Thanks John. I'd like to remind everybody, please limit your questions to one plus a follow-up. Please stay disciplined on your follow-up question. And after the follow-up, we ask that you rejoin the queue if you have additional questions. Operator, please begin the Q&A session.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Again, we ask that all callers limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of David Rasso with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, thank you for the time. Quick question. On the access segment, right, first half margins 13-3, implied second half 10-7, and the decrementals year over year are similar to the first half, you know, 38, 39, 40%. The confidence in that pricing that you mentioned, can you give us a little more detail with the incremental tariff, I would assume cost pressure? When were those costs, are those prices instituted? How much is that already in the backlog or is it related to expected orders the rest of the year? Like, your backlog coverage is 54% of the implied second half guide. So, I'm just trying to make sure, is it pricing that's already in the backlog so you feel confident you'll get it or is it orders to come that you're hoping to get the price? Thank you.

Good morning, David. Thanks for the question. So, the second half results really is two things. One, obviously there's some seasonality in there, but fundamentally what we expect to see is in, really it's more the fourth quarter, some of the impact on tariffs on the cost side. You know, there's a number of mitigation actions we've taken against tariffs that we talked about on prior calls. And our overall top line, you know, we expect continued discounts relative to last year and a weaker external environment, kind of similar to what we saw in the first half, roughly.

Okay, so 3Q is a little bit old pricing but still more of the older costs. Fourth quarter is really where the price has to show up. And the last application,

sorry? Yeah, that's where we'd see more of the cost elements kick in, is the fourth quarter, plus some of the resourcing actions and other actions we would have from our tariff mitigation.

And then lastly, in vocational, the margins in the second half at 16.4 implied after 15.6 in the first half. Is that some of the pricing we've heard for a while about we have better pricing in the backlog and even with, you know, assuming some tariff input cost, is the backlog already priced, where you feel very confident you have better margins in the second half than first half? And I know the backlog coverage is large, so I'm just really trying to figure out do we already have it sort of baked in.

Yeah, so on vocational, as we've talked about before and we talked about it in investor day, we're progressively working through ramping up our capacity and that's a big driver of the second half relative to the first half as we ramp up capacity. Obviously, there is pricing in the backlog that would come to the fore. We would see that continue, but really you're talking about volume growth over the second half driving improvements.

All right. Thank you so much.

Yeah, David, with those backlogs in vocational, we'll continue to get some modest benefits from pricing for the next

two,

three years.

Great. Thank you. Thanks,

Tim. Our next question comes from the line of Mig Dobre with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys. Good morning. Just a quick clarification on the tariff commentary. What I heard is that you said that you expected to fully offset the headwind, so I'm kind of curious to hear as to exactly how you're going to do that. And then, you know, for the prior question, it seems that, you know, the fourth quarter is where you're starting to experience maybe some higher tariff related headwinds. Is that getting fully offset or is that becoming more of an issue into 2026, if we're thinking about access to the Mig specifically?

Hey, Meg, it's John. Thanks for the question. So, let me be clear. We, just like any manufacturer in America, still have tariff headwinds coming at us, right? And there's a few things going on. Number one, the tariffs that we're experiencing now, you know, it's a very dynamic situation, changes regularly. So, what we're seeing right now is a little bit better tariff environment than we saw one quarter ago. So, that's part of it. The other part of it is we're continuing to execute our mitigation strategy. I've always said most of what we sell in America is made in America. That gives us an advantage to start. We have a local for local strategy. We're really trying to drive local production for local regions. Europe for Europe example, the U.S. for U.S. We do a lot of work negotiating with our suppliers. We're engaged in resourcing work where we need to or on-shoring work where we need to. But we still do have a tariff headwind. We just believe that we've got the right strategies in place to be able to deal with tariffs and offset what we need to offset. There's also business out performance that's helping us get over tariffs as well. And that's why we're back to an $11 guide.

Okay, I see. Then my follow-up, maybe in the transportation segment, parsing out Q3 versus Q4 margin that's embedded into your guide, and then should we sort of think about that exit run rate as something that's sustainable into 2026? That maybe hopefully you can build upon. Thank you.

Sure. So as you saw, transport improved in the second quarter. We would expect steady improvement as we roll on to new contracts. As we mentioned on the call, we started building under the new FHTV contract, and we announced the new FMTV contract. We'll start building on that in 2026, kind of midyear or so. So I would expect to see second half performance, as implied in our guide, will improve. And then we have additional building blocks into 2026.

Our next question comes from the line of Angel Castillo with Morgan Stanley. Please receive your question.

Hi, good morning, and thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to go back to the access equipment. A couple of things. I guess you noted a little bit of kind of sales discounts or higher sales discounts in the quarter. Just hoping you could comment a little bit more on that and just the general kind of competitive environment and how, as you combine that with what you're hearing or seeing from customers in terms of demand and order backlog for the second half, what gives you confidence that we won't see potential push-out or further pressure from kind of that discounting activity?

Yeah, so as I mentioned, Angel, that we're seeing an external environment that's about what we expected at the beginning of the year. Discounts in the range of 2 to 3 percent is consistent with our expectation for the year as well. Book to bill has kind of returned to normative levels, so we're seeing a return to normal seasonality. I'll let John comment on customers and some of the conversations we're having there. But overall, the market's been fairly resilient and really overall as we expected.

Yeah, Angel, going on with regard to our customers, the first thing that I'll highlight is that utilization rates of equipment in the access industry are fine. They're actually pretty good. And so what our customers are really seeing is there's a really nice pocket of demand, which is meaningful, coming from big projects. That's infrastructure spending, which is going to go on for years. It's data centers that will go on for years. These data centers are gigantic and they draw a lot of equipment. Power generation. On the other side of it, you've got private, non-residential, think about building construction, where we're seeing a lot of kind of holding and pausing. We're not seeing any project cancellations in the market to speak of anyways, but there's a lot of pausing and kind of waiting for conditions to stabilize. That might mean interest rates. What's the Fed going to do? It might mean how's tariffs going to impact end markets before we proceed with this project? So that's on the other side of it. And I think that overall customers are comfortable with where utilization rates are.

That's very helpful. Thank you. And then maybe just as it relates to those customer conversations, I guess one, have you seen any step change in their desire to buy equipment, I guess, given the tax bill? And then could you quantify a little bit more specifically what's kind of embedded in your guidance for free cash flow in terms of those tax benefits?

Well, we think that the tax benefits in the OBBB are certainly supportive of our long-term outlook and long-term trends. It's an ongoing change to the tax law, so I don't know that we're going to see a specific spike in the near term. There is not an expiration date to what they did with regard to taxes, but we think overall it supports the long-term health of the industry when our customers buy capital equipment.

Just building on that in terms of the free cash flow specifically, we did increase our guide from $300 to $400 to $400 to $500. That largely reflects some of the tax bill changes on R&D credits and how those get handled.

Understood. Thank you.

Thanks, Angel.

Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Fisher with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, and congratulations on the quarter. Just to follow up again on sort of the second half on the access side of things and on that last question, I guess, as I was just pointing out before, only about half of the second half revenue applied is in backlog. So are you anticipating that sort of activity will actually increase in the second half of the year and there will be a lot of sort of book and burn? Is that sort of what you're expecting and your confidence there?

Thanks for the question, Steve. You know, the backlog that we have right now are about $1.2 billion in backlog. It's a totally normal backlog, especially as we're here in kind of the early first third of the third quarter. And, you know, this is it's normal for us to come in with orders already booked, but also needing to continue to take orders. That's a totally normal environment for us. Nothing is abnormal about that. So, yes, we do need to book some orders in the third and the fourth quarter. And that's almost always the case. So it's not abnormal at all. $1.2 billion backlog sitting right now is is in the line of historical norms.

OK, fair enough. And then I know, as you said in the release and on the call, it is a dynamic tariff environment. I think the release said, you know, you're reflecting tariffs as of July 30th. I'm curious, just, you know, I don't even have any time to think about it, but the August 1st updates what that might mean relative to kind of what you've already assumed based on July 30th.

Well, it's a surely, Steve, it's a dynamic environment and we we are always updating our outlooks and what we need to do based upon the changing environment. You know, the good news is some of our biggest trading partners seem to have come to some resolution with the administration of what the tariff rate will be. Think about Europe for one as one example. So so that gives us some comfort. But sure, there could be some disturbances

today

on August 1st or over the next quarter and we'll adjust to it as necessary. But we do feel OK because some of our big trading partners have have seemed to come to a framework for resolution.

OK, thank you.

Thanks, Steve.

Our next question comes to the line of Tim Stein with Reuben James. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning. The first question is just on the vocational business, the strength in the fire segment of 20%. Just curious how, as you think about delivering on that backlog in the back half of the year, should we expect that kind of a similar construct in terms of the from a product mix standpoint or any any changes that you'd call out in terms of going back to that earlier question, I would assume that that had some positive impact from a margin standpoint in the quarter. So I'm just curious if that's expected to continue. Yes,

it is expected to continue. Pierce, our fire brand, is a very strong business for us. We are continuing to invest in Pierce. It's the market leading brand. We're really focused on continuing to increase capacity. We've got great people and a great team that is executing this. And we're confident that every quarter that goes by will continue to be able to increase supply to our customers and the velocity with which we can supply. But this is a great business and we think it's going to be for a long time stable market, not a cyclical market. So so yes, is the answer to your question.

OK, just a quick follow up on the access business yet again on the sales mix was noted as a positive. Is that a more of a product mix, i.e. you know, telehandlers being being down more than an access or geography with Europe being down or both? And then just, you know, what what's how you're thinking about that dynamic in the back half. Thank you.

Hi, Tim. Good morning. So it's a it's a number of factors in there. Partly it would be geography mix. We saw stronger mix in North America, which helps. We also actually had a stronger mix of independence than than this time last year, even though clearly we swing into nationals for this quarter relative to last quarter. But on a year of year basis, we did see a stronger mix of independence holding up as they support some of the larger projects. And then within that, there was obviously some some mix among units.

Got it. Thank you for the time.

Thanks,

Tim.

Our next question comes to mind of Tammy Zakaria with JP Morgan. Please receive your question.

Hey, good morning. Thank you so much. Very nice quarter. I have just one question. I think I heard you say you want to steadily increase the buyback. Through the course of the year. So just wanted to frame what the opportunity could be. Is there a way to is there a way to think about the repo as a percentage of the free cash flow you guided 400 to 500 million? Is there a target that X, Y, Z amount of that could be deployed for repo this year?

Thanks, Tammy. Thanks for the question. So, you know, year to date, we've seen about 70 million dollars share repurchase with about 40 of that in the second quarter. As you correctly noted, we did mention that we would step that up. Last year we bought about 120. I would expect that to roughly double, maybe maybe a little bit more than that. So I don't look at it necessarily as a percentage of free cash flow more as just how we're executing this year and our comfort level with our execution level.

Understood. Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks, Tammy.

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from a line of Chad Dillard with Bernstein. Please receive your question.

Hey, good morning guys.

Can we talk a little bit more about your expectations for orders in the second half? More specifically, how are you thinking about the contribution from national accounts versus independent? And then maybe you can talk about just what is in the backlog mix on those terms.

Yes, thanks, Chad. You know, I'm not going to get in into what's in the backlog right now. Our backlog is healthy. It's normal. As I talked about a little bit earlier, you know, when you look at the marketplace, you see really strong, healthy demand in big, big projects, big infrastructure, data centers, that kind of thing. And the nationals tend to get a lot of that business because they've got the huge fleets that can support it. And it takes a huge fleet of equipment to support that kind of that kind of activity. So I think you can assume it's a little bit heavier weighted towards nationals for the short term. And we'll see how some of the private non-residential construction shapes up. Again, there's nothing being canceled. It's just kind of a lot of stuff on hold. So that's a little bit of clarification for you on that.

That's helpful. And can you also talk through your three Q and four key expectations for access revenues and margins? So based on what's in backlog, is typical seasonality the right way to think about it or should we be thinking about something else?

Chad. So, yeah, you should really think about access as returning to normal seasonality. We saw that in the first quarter. We certainly seen that in the second. I would expect third quarter to be a good strong quarter on a relative basis and then fourth quarter to dip down again. So that's really what we've seen historically kind of pre-COVID. And that's certainly our outlook for the year as well.

Great. Thank you.

Thanks, Chad.

Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Menges with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I think the vocational margin guide for this year now is already gets you to the low end of your 2028 target already. So we've seen already coming in a bit ahead of the expectation laid out at the investor day a couple months ago. So maybe if we could just take a step back and if you could talk a little bit about what you've seen in vocational, what's come through the backlog and execution that has got you to this point to margins now guided to 16 percent for the year. And just based on what you see in the backlog and in the plan from an execution standpoint, what could incremental margins look like over the next one to three years for vocational?

Well, I mean, we really love our we love all of our businesses, but vocational is a business that that really is shaping up to continue to be healthy for a long time. These are not cyclical markets. They're fairly stable markets. And the other thing that's great about them is that there's their technology is in demand in these markets, whether it's a fire truck or an environmental vehicle and refuse to recycling or an airport ground service equipment. Our customers want advanced technology in the form of autonomous functionality, sometimes full autonomous. You saw it at the Consumer Electronics Show. We showcase a lot of this autonomous capability and are and using A.I. to deliver insights and features on products that nobody ever dreamed possible before. These are the types of things that our customers want us to do, and we are able to do it. And we believe that this is helping drive demand for vehicles like our new fully integrated refuse and recycling vehicle. It's just got all sorts of productivity benefits all over it. That helps our customers be better. And that's that's why we think these are good markets where we're continuing to execute and grow. And we think that that the health is going to continue for a long time.

Helpful caller. Thanks. And then a question for Matt, just I guess how he's thinking about capital allocation. I thought it was noteworthy, increasing the expectation for share buybacks. I guess that's driven by increasing the three cash flow expectation. But I mean, the stock is also trading at 52 week highs. So I would love to hear just how that you're thinking about capital allocation and share buybacks going forward.

Sure, Kyle. So I really think we outlined a good framework at our investor day. And so our priorities are unchanged from that, which is really first and foremost, maintaining a strong investment grade balance sheet. We're in great shape there, too. It's some of the activities we talked about, which is organic growth. So all the capacity additions we're talking about vocational, the opportunities there. That's our second priority. After that would come, even though we're at a 52 week high, we're still we believe a discount or multiple. So share repurchases would would be a priority following that. And then lastly, would be opportunities as they arise. And we had a good discussion in our investor day deck about how we think about M&A. But so those priorities really don't change, even if we're at a 52 week high, we still do believe our multiples would would would

be higher if we were rated as we would expect.

Makes sense. Thanks for the time, guys.

Thanks,

Kyle.

Our next question comes to the line of Steve Barger with KeyBank.

Steve, you there? Sorry, I was muted. Morning. Yeah, John, with all the focus on near term access trends, I'm just going to ask one about the longer term targets. To get to the 2028 midpoint requires about an 8% CAGR.

And

sitting here today, does that feel like a heavy lift? And you can you break out how much you think comes from overall market growth, how much from share gains or new product introduction? Do you expect M&A to be part of that growth? Just holistically, how are you thinking about getting from here to there?

Yeah, well, when we do those, the 8% CAGR you're talking about, you're exactly right. We never include any M&A that might be on the horizon. That's all organically driven. And we think it's a reasonable, achievable growth rate based upon what's going on in our business and our markets and how we're investing, not only in new products in the core of our market, where you'll see us continue to come out with innovations in kind of that core AWP market, but also in some of the places that we've invested with some of the acquisitions we've already made. And then you look at some of the more futuristic investment that we're making in our ability to create the job site of the future, which we showcased at CES and our ability to drive connectivity, drive insights through that connectivity and analytics and even getting into some machine learning and AI for our customers. That really drives a healthy kind of life cycle business for us that we think is going to continue to be the future of where our end markets want us to support them. And when you combine all that together, we think that an 8% growth rate is very, very reasonable and very achievable.

So look at some of the

tailwinds in the market too, Steve. You see, which I've already talked about on this call, you see all these big trends around data centers and infrastructure that's going to go on for a long time. Those are also strong long-term underpinnings to help demand move along over time.

So is this really more about the pie growing and you maintaining or growing share, or do you expect a lot of proliferation of applications to go along with that?

We expect both to happen.

Got it. And if I can just squeeze one more in. Sorry if I missed this, but for the transport revenue cadence in the back half, is 3Q more like the front half in terms of revenue or with a really sizable step up in 4Q, or will the quarters be more level loaded in terms of both revenue and margin?

So again, we would expect it to be progressively growing over the quarters. Again, as a reminder, think about us building up our production of NGVs. And so we're steadily ramping throughout the year. So that should give increase sequentially by quarter in terms of revenues in the transport segment. And then as we shift on to new contracts, so think of it as FHTV production this year under the new contract, that would also be a driver for higher revenue sequentially.

Got it. Thanks. Sure. Have a great day.

Mr. Davidson, we have no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

All right, Christine, thank you. Thanks everybody for joining us today. We report a very strong beat and raise. Please consider that when you're looking at Oshkosh. If you have any follow up questions, please reach out to me or get back with us. We look forward to seeing you in the next quarter at conferences and have a great rest of the day and a great weekend.

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