Paymentus Holdings, Inc.

Good day and welcome to the third quarter 2024 Paymentus Earnings Conference call. This call is being recorded. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. There will be an opportunity to ask questions following the management's prepared remarks. If you would like to queue for a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. At this time, I will now turn the call over to David Hanover, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon. Welcome and thank you for joining the webcast to review our third quarter 2024 results. Our earnings release documents are available on the investor relations section of the Paymentus.com website. They include the earnings presentation that we'll make reference to during this webcast. This webcast is being recorded. I hope everyone's had a chance to review those documents. Our founder and CEO, Dushant Sharma, will make some opening comments before Sanjay Khara, our CFO, discusses the details of the quarter and our guidance. Following our prepared remarks, we'll take questions. Let me just remind you that we may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and we refer to non-GAAP financial measures during the webcast. Forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risk and uncertainties. Factors that may cause our actual results to materially differ from expectations are detailed in our earnings materials and our SEC filings that are available on the website. Information about non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations to US GAAP, can also be found in our earnings materials that are available on the website. With that, I'd like to turn the webcast over to Dushant Sharma. Dushant?

Thanks, David. We had a phenomenal third quarter. And overall, full year 2024 is shaping up to be a great year. As a result of our substantial progress, we are raising over a full year 2024 guidance. And before I go into the details for the quarter and talk about our exciting future, I want to remind you that our long-term CAGR targets for our primary metrics are 20% top line revenue growth and 20 to 30% adjusted EBITDA growth. These targets remain unchanged, even accounting for our outperformance during the third quarter. Going forward, we will refer to these targets as our CAGR model. Our CAGR model is related to our primary matrix only and should not be confused with our secondary matrix, which are contribution profit and OPEX. As we have done quite effectively in the past, we will continue to calibrate CP and OPEX as necessary to achieve our CAGR model due to the very strong operating leverage that is inherent to our business model. Let me now provide a third quarter financial summary. In the third quarter, revenue grew 51.9% year over year. At the same time, contribution profit increased by 30.1% to $80 million. Due to our solid execution in calibrating our secondary matrix of CP and OPEX, our adjusted EBITDA grew 58.2% to $24.6 million. And as a result, on a Rule of Forty scale, we saw a sequential increase in the quarter to 61. Given our third quarter results and expectations for the full year 2024, As you can see, our performance is well ahead of our CAGR model. Our excellent growth rate during the quarter and how 2024 is shaping up is one of the many exciting dimensions of our business. Another important dimension is the durability of our CAGR model, which we also feel great about. Let me now double click on our business strategy a bit. As you're looking at our numbers, please note that there is a specific business strategy that is in play here. We want to increase and capture more market share, and over time, we want the interchange economy and associated life cycle to flow through our P&L, even though interchange today only serves as a cost center for us. This strategy adds to our scale And with this level of scale, it creates tremendous opportunities for modernization and cost reduction. Therefore, longer term, we will work to expand our margins by pursuing products and solutions that offer the ability to convert part of the interchange from a cost center to a revenue center. In other words, we view today's interchange expense as possible TAM from a margin expansion standpoint. To clarify, I'm talking about our longer-term strategy here, as currently we are mainly focused on market capture. But market capture in a responsible manner where new deals are accretive in both the immediate term and the long term. And indeed, we are capturing market share at a faster pace than ever before as a public company. It's even more impressive when you look at our scale and see 50% plus top line growth. Onto our booking activities now. Bookings for this quarter and this year are strong. Our momentum continues to validate our platform and the IP and ecosystem moat combined with an excellent and efficient go-to-market strategy of delivering long-term profitable growth. To provide further detail on bookings, we signed several clients across various industries, contributing to our continued momentum. These included diverse clients in verticals such as insurance, government services, municipalities, utilities, education, telecommunications, banks, credit unions, and property management, among others. These bookings positioned us quite well for 2025 and beyond due to the multi-year nature of these agreements. Onto our onboarding of activities now. We are onboarding revenue at a faster pace than ever before, as is evident from the top line growth rate. Our success here resulted in onboarding a cohort of large clients in the third quarter that were originally slated to go live in 2025. This means we can expect to enjoy the full year benefit from this cohort of go lives throughout all of 2025 versus only a portion of this contribution, which is what we had originally modeled. Bringing on this cohort of large clients earlier also brings other strategic benefits to us. giving us more ammunition for our marketing activities, strengthening our IP and ecosystem, enabling further economies of scale, and longer term, increasing our margin expansion opportunity. We believe this onboarding performance has reduced our risk towards 2025 execution. And therefore, as we initiate budget planning for 2025, we are very pleased to take a bit of a head start towards achieving our CAGR model. As we have demonstrated throughout the last seven quarters, we will continue to methodically calibrate our secondary metrics using our operating leverage to achieve our desired CAGR model despite the variability that is inherent to contribution profit from quarter to quarter or even year to year. With that, let me turn it over to Sanjay to review our financial results in greater detail. Sanjay. Thanks, Rishabh, and thank you all for joining us today. Before I discuss our quarterly results and outlook, I'd like to remind everyone that the financial results I'd be referring to include non-GAAP financial measures. As David mentioned earlier, our Q3 press release and earnings presentation includes reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call to their corresponding gap measures. Both of these are available on our website. Turning to slide five, our third quarter 2024 results demonstrate another quarter where we exceeded the top end of our guidance range. These results demonstrate the overall strength of our business model and our team's proven ability to execute. Our third quarter results included revenue of $231.6 million, up 51.9% year-over-year, contribution profit of $80 million, an increase of 30.1%, and adjusted EBITDA of $24.6 million, up 58.2%. We also continued to experience strong customer activity and demand, which drove robust bookings and allowed us to exit the quarter with a significant backlog. Based on our excellent quarterly performance, the positive business trends Dushant mentioned earlier, our expectations for the remainder of 2024 and forward visibility, we are raising our full year 2024 revenue, contribution profit, and adjusted EBITDA guidance, which I will discuss in more detail shortly. Now let's review our third quarter financials in more detail. As mentioned, Q3 revenue was $231.6 million, up 51.9% year-over-year. This growth, which was ahead of our original expectations, was driven by three key factors. First, increased same-store sales from existing builders. Second, the successful launch of new builders as anticipated. And third, early launch of some large enterprise customers, which we originally expected to launch in early 2025. These early launches were a result of continued improvement and implementation pace due mainly to our team's hard work and strong client engagement. Additionally, the number of transactions payment has processed grew to 155.3 million in the quarter, up 34.6% year over year. Our average price per transaction increased during the third quarter to $1.49, up from $1.32 last year. This was mainly due to the biller mix, or more specifically, by the early launch of large enterprise billers I mentioned earlier that had a higher average payment amount. Third quarter 2024 contribution profit increased to $80 million, up 30.1% year over year. The contribution profit increase was also higher than expected and reflects increased transactions from existing billers the launch of new billers, and the mix of billers launched. Contribution margin was 34.5% for the third quarter, compared to 40.3% in the prior year period. As we continue to add large, high-volume enterprise billers to our customer base, this 5.8% margin reduction was almost entirely offset by 5.7% operating expense margin reduction year over year. and then combined with economies of scale resulted in an improved adjusted EBITDA margin. This is consistent with our overall growth strategy focusing on profitability, which I will elaborate on shortly. Contribution profit per transaction for the quarter was 52 cents, similar to 53 cents in the prior year period, demonstrating our ability to capture market share with comparable contribution profit per transaction. During the third quarter, we saw transaction growth in closer proximity to contribution profit growth. In prior quarters, we've seen transaction growth at times closer to revenue growth and at other times closer to contribution profit growth. This is because we are capturing more market share and winning larger clients. Because we are adding more of these larger clients to our customer base, we expect pricing and contribution profit to vary quarter to quarter. as we continue to grow and diversify our client base. Please note that as a result of the quality of our services and solutions and client-centric approach, these larger clients are paying a similar or even increased average selling prices than they are accustomed to with other providers. Given the growth areas Dushan highlighted earlier, we believe long-term the growth rates for both revenue and contribution profit will converge in a closer range, also taking into account the inherent operating leverage as we have in our business model. As we noted in the past, variables that are outside of our control, such as an increase in the average payment amount or changes in the payment mix, can substantially affect the contribution profit on a quarter-to-quarter basis, and therefore we treat this as a secondary metric, while our gross revenue and adjusted EBITDA remain primary metrics. and focus areas on how we drive our business strategies. Third quarter adjusted gross profit was 66.2 million, up 29.1% year-over-year. Third quarter non-GAAP operating expenses were flat sequentially and increased 16.9% year-over-year to 44.3 million. The increase was primarily due to higher sales and marketing expenses as well as research and development expenses. The increases in both of these areas was mainly driven by increased hiring, which we've talked about previously, as we enhance our existing technical strengths. This year-over-year expense increase was consistent with our expectations. Third quarter non-GAAP net income was $19.6 million, or $0.15 per share, compared to non-GAAP net income of $10.9 million, or $0.09 per share, in the prior year period. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was $24.6 million, up 58.2% compared to $15.5 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA also represented 30.7% of contribution profit for the quarter compared to 25.3% last year. This strong adjusted EBITDA performance was due to the same combination of positive factors I talked about earlier, all of which came together in the quarter. We believe the stronger adjusted EBITDA margin demonstrates the inherent operating leverage we have in the business and our proven ability to adapt to changing market conditions as we continue to grow. Interest income from our bank deposits was 2.3 million during the third quarter compared to 1.9 million in the prior year period. This year over year improvement was a result of an increased average cash balance and effective cash management. Related to our performance, We once again exceeded the rule of 40 for the quarter coming in at 61 compared to 58 last quarter and 46 in the prior year period. This marks our sixth consecutive quarter exceeding the rule of 40. Now I'll discuss our balance sheet and liquidity position on slide six. We ended the third quarter 2024 with total cash of $190.8 million. compared to 192.9 million at the end of last quarter. The 2.1 million decrease is primarily comprised of 6.7 million of cash generated from operations offset by 8.8 million used in investing activities primarily for capitalized software. The net cash generated from operations of 6.7 million consists of 26.5 million cash generated from operations net of investments in working capital of $19.8 million. Our daily sales outstanding at the end of the third quarter was 44 days compared to 42 days last quarter. Working capital in the end of the third quarter was approximately $245.8 million, an increase of approximately $16.2 million from the end of the second quarter. We had 127.6 million diluted shares outstanding during the third quarter, essentially flat from 127.3 million diluted shares outstanding during the second quarter. Now I'll turn to our non-GAAP guidance for the fourth quarter and full year on slide seven. Before discussing guidance, I want to mention that we are continuing to follow the same prudent approach to guidance that we have followed since last year. For the fourth quarter of 2024, we expect revenues to be in the range of 215 million to 220 million, representing 31.8% year-over-year growth at the midpoint and 33.3% at the high end. This growth rate is an improvement from prior year's fourth quarter growth rate of 24.7%. Contribution profit to range from $79 to $81 million. which represents 20.7% year-over-year growth at the midpoint and 22.2% at the high end, in line with the prior year's fourth quarter growth rate of 22.7%. An adjusted EBITDA of $22 to $24 million, representing growth of 15.6% year-over-year at the midpoint and 20.6% at the high end. This represents a 28.8% margin at the midpoint and 29.6% margin at the high end, comparable to prior year's fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margin of 30%. Along with our guidance, I also want to provide further insight related to our outlook for contribution profit growth rates and adjusted EBITDA margin. As our business grows, we are receiving greater inbound interest from larger enterprise customers. Not unexpectedly, these customers often request volume discounts, which we are open to where the deal economics support it. In addition, our tremendous operating leverage allows us to attract and book these larger customers. Said differently, volume discounts for larger customers are typically more than offset by strong incremental adjusted EBITDA, as we just saw in Q3. This increases our efficiency as our onboarding time per biller is declining, while average customer size is simultaneously increasing. Furthermore, we have the ability to recalibrate OPEX spending relative to contribution profit in order to reach a desired adjusted EBITDA. For reference, our incremental adjusted EBITDA margin for the third quarter 2024 was 49.2% relative to adjusted EBITDA margin of 30.7%. Based on our results and progress we have already made in three quarters of 24 and our expectations for the remainder of the year, for the full year 2024, we now expect revenue in the range of $829 to $834 million, up 7.3% from midpoint of our previous guidance. The updated guidance now represents 35.3% growth at the midpoint. and improvement from the prior year growth rate of 23.6%. Contribution profit in the range of 305 to 307 million, up 3.6% at the midpoint versus previous guidance. This updated guidance now represents 27% growth at the midpoint and improvement from the prior year growth rate of 19.7%. Adjusted EBITDA to range from 89 to 91 million. representing an 8.4% increase at the midpoint versus our previous guidance. The updated guidance represents a 54.9% increase at the midpoint. This represents a 29.4% margin on contribution profit at midpoint and improvement from 24.1% in the prior year. This annual guidance implies a rule on a rule of 40 scale, 56 to 57 at midpoint and high end respectively. and improvement from the scale of 44 we achieved in 2023. In closing, we reported another quarter of excellent results. In the third quarter of 2024, we continued to build on solid momentum from the second quarter, resulting in strong revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and bookings growth. Additionally, we ended the quarter with earlier implementations of larger clients and a sizable backlog. Due to all of this, we have considerable visibility and believe we are well positioned for the rest of 24 as well as for 2025. Thank you everyone for your attention today and now I'll turn it back to Dushant for final remarks before we open up the call for questions. Thanks, Sanjay. It's indeed humbling to see that our raised full year 2024 guidance when compared to our results from the full year 2021, the year of our IPO, we have more than doubled our business in three years. And it's quite exciting, actually. In summary, we reported another quarter of strong financial results that exceeded our expectations. We feel good about the long-term durability of our CAGR model. We serve a large, growing, and non-discretionary market The combination of our platform and the IPN ecosystem allows us the benefits of a strong and differentiated competitive moat. In addition, we are looking to continue to build on our success to increase our TAM using our innovative DNA. In short, we as investors own a very special business here. I want to take this opportunity to thank my team who worked tirelessly to deliver these great results and create long-term shareholder value. With that, I'll open up the line for questions.

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Yeah. Hey, guys. Congrats. This is one of the biggest beats I think I've seen in 20 years. So congrats on that. Thank you, David. And I guess, yeah, yeah, I guess. First of all, maybe you could talk a little bit more about kind of that mix of network fees. I know network fees. 65.5% of gross revenue. So higher than usual, obviously gross revenue beat by a ton, but maybe talk about that. And then why in Q4, I think they're expected to go back down to 63%. Just maybe talk a little bit about those dynamics.

Dave, thank you very much. A great question. In terms of network fees, what we really saw in Q3 was we onboarded some large enterprise customers, as you mentioned. And those large enterprise customers actually had a higher network fees to begin with. And they were used to paying that fees to the previous service provider. And when they onboarded, we onboarded them at similar pricing and similar cost structure or better pricing, but the network fees were higher. As a result, the contribution margin you see is a little softer this quarter. But this is, I think, a perfect quarter to demonstrate that despite of margin going down, you end up at a rule of 61 and you end up at a contribution profit growth year over year of 30%. And a perfect way to see how we calibrated OPEX and gross margin. But to your specific question, the network fees itself is high for the enterprise customers. And as David Duchamp mentioned in his prepared remarks, in our long-term strategy, we have an opportunity to see how we can convert a piece of this interchange into a TAM for us, and rather than being a cost center, it could even be a revenue center for us. So we are working on those initiatives, and although while that's a long-term strategy, and I don't want to digress from your question, but network fees is high, but at the same time, the contribution profit per transaction did not get impacted. As you saw, 52 cents versus 53 cents, not at all a big impact given the scale we achieved in this quarter. And then to the second question of Q4, I would say it's been seven quarters, I would say, in how we are guiding. We have a very disciplined, a very thoughtful approach to our guidance. We consider all the risks and opportunities, assign them probabilities on what guidance makes sense. So with this approach, we want to remain grounded. We want to consider all the possible risks. But we want to come out strong. I think that Q4 is not really as different than you are seeing in Q3. And there's a seasonality aspect as well. So I think we are pretty comfortable in how the year is shaping up. And overall, the entire metric for the full year is shaping up great as well.

Gotcha. Thanks, guys. That's helpful. Maybe just a quick follow-up. Really, my second question is going to be around what you mentioned, the TAM, kind of a new TAM of the network fees. I assume almost all the network fees are interchange. Um, you've, you've over doubled those network fees. So the TAM is actually exploding right in the, in the last few years. Um, so maybe can you talk a little bit about how you could convert that into, into like revenue?

I think this is a very interesting dynamic, actually, if I may take a step back and see how we see our business differently than, uh, the traditional, uh, payment processing businesses, the way I would see them and what, uh, uh, you would, uh, look at them as well. So the way it used to be is that a traditional payment processor would just charge a flat fee for a transaction, whether it's a few pennies or what have you, or a few basis points, and then they will literally pass through the entire interchange to the customer. They did not have any control over the behavior of the customer as to which payment modality or form of payment the customer would be using to make a payment, nor did they have the pricing instructions which were actually conducive to be able to have the global view of the overall transaction revenue versus the internal cost payment incurs in terms of the network fees. So we have been busy thinking about how can we convert the network fees into revenue, and we have some thoughts which we will share in due course. But that's one of the exciting part of our business is where we feel like that the way more opportunities we have in terms of loading, if I may use the word quote unquote loading on the interchange expense on our platform, the easier it is for us to track exactly what the user behaviors are, how they're making a payment, what type of cards are being used, and what type of opportunities we can create to convert those into more meaningful, profitable instruments for us. So we'll talk more about that, but that's a little bit more on the longer term side.

Got you. Thanks, guys. Great job.

Thank you.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Pingian Wong with JPMorgan.

Thanks, that's been a really great quarter. Good explanations here. Just thinking about the faster go lives of larger clients. Is that a structural change? Are you doing more to improve the onboarding process from a technology standpoint? Just trying to understand that if this is a new trend to consider.

Actually, it is a combination of multiple factors. If you recall, we have shared in the past that I think pandemic did impact our ability to onboard and, frankly, in some ways also onboarding. bring on new clients, the larger new clients into our bookings pipeline as well, just because boardrooms were closed. And so that combined with our ability to interact with our clients in the live setting, but also taking very introspective view of where the breakage points are, what we could do better to improve our own onboarding processes, which we were actually excellent at, before we were onboarding some of the more complicated and sophisticated workflows onto our platform. And we followed the same principle of innovating through learning from our customer interactions. And so we are making some changes in that technologically as well. So combination of in-person interactions, post-pandemic conditions, but also the instrumentation from our perspective, technologically, making advancements there is making a big change. Okay.

Good to know that. It's a combo of things. Just thinking about the fourth quarter and the guide, I appreciate the philosophy around guidance, but just want to make sure, fourth quarter contribution profit, you're calling it to be stable. History sets this up quite a bit in the fourth quarter, I think due to seasonality, but why would might this year be different?

So great question. In Q4, what we are seeing is these new large enterprise customers, the onboarded in Q3. And again, they happen sooner than originally anticipated. They are large to the extent that we don't really have a very good handle on the seasonality aspect. And unless we spend like, few quarters with them, we will have to wait and see how those trends continue. So we did not exactly bake the Q4 continuation of an entirety of that cohort of customers, a portion we baked, but not all. We have to wait and watch how those trends will play. So we've taken a very prudent approach in how this may play out when we come to Q4 guidance. So we want to just stay focused on execution and remain grounded when we come to guidance, especially for one quarter. I think the whole year is shaping well, but we feel very good about where we are.

Great. Well done. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of John Davis with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Just want to touch a little bit on the revenue growth acceleration this year. I think the midpoint of the guide is about 1200 basis point acceleration versus last year. Maybe dimensionalize that for us and how we should think about share gains versus pricing versus same source sales or anything else to call out and anything you would caution us about kind of taking that forward into 2025. Yeah.

I would say, I think 2025 you're still in the budgeting process, but that's one of the reasons why actually, you know, prepared remarks, we wanted to make sure that we talk about the long term CAGR model to make sure that that's pretty clear that we are not changing the model itself. In terms of this year, a lot of things have come together. Our The pricing, I think pricing was all those changes are behind us at this point. So this is more about capturing market share, signing deals, which are sophisticated, large enterprise clients, implementing them. And frankly, in some ways earlier than we were anticipating. So a combination of all of that is what is leading to it. So do you want to add? Yeah, I'll add. that this year has been really a good year right from the start. Starting Q1, Q2, Q3, we've been seeing continuous trends of improvement in implementation, improvement in the bookings. Our exit backlogs at the end of every quarter are very good, giving us a lot of comfort for not only the next quarter or next two quarters, but I would say four or five quarters out, we got very good visibility. The momentum is very high. And that speaks to why the 24 growth has happened in a phenomenal fashion. But to your other piece of the question, John, I would say that when it comes to 2025 and if you're seeking any color on modeling, the best thing we can provide at this time is that we are currently in the process of setting over 2025 budgets and we are not giving any guidance today for 2025. However, for modeling purposes, we recommend assuming that we will follow the same prudent and disciplined approach we have used over the past seven quarters. So that would imply, as a starting point, using similar growth rates we used in our initial 2024 guide, which we gave in March earlier this year, to the prior year numbers. I would like to just remind everyone that our business is doing very, very well. We have a very good pipeline. The bookings and backlog are very healthy, and we have a very strong balance sheet, a very liquid balance sheet in terms of working capital. to deploy cash as and when we need, which we are actually used to our advantage even in the current quarter.

Okay, great. And then, Sanjay, I think you mentioned, you know, roughly 50% incremental margins this quarter. I think for the full year EBITDA margins will be just shy of 30% based off of the midpoint of your guide. So how should we think about it? I know it can vary quarter to quarter, year to year. But how should we think about the long-term margin potential of this business if we were to look out over the next several years? And you've expanded margins very nicely. It looks like over 500 basis points this year. If you go back ever since you've gone public, it's been a very nice improvement in profitability. We see some payments companies with 40%, 50% margins. Just curious kind of how you think about not the terminal value or not the terminal margins, but how should we think about margins and where they can get over a a medium term period. Again, I'm not looking for an explicit three-year guide or anything like that, but just help us think about the profitability and scalability of this business.

Yeah, John, great question. And we think about that as well as we do our models for a couple of quarters or outer periods. I think the right way to think about our business is that business is humming in all the directions. The momentum is very high and Our growth strategy is not just purely growth, but has a strong partnership with profitability. So profitable growth is our mode of operation, which is just very clear from the numbers. Like, is there a room for opportunity to grow better? Definitely there is. As we grow, as we scale, we should expect economies of scale to help us. We should expect the opportunities that Dushant mentioned in the outer term to help us as well. and our pricing and all is working really well, we are in the mode of capturing the market. And during that process, we could have many opportunities which could give us better margins. But at the same time, I just want to be very careful that our long-term expectations and hopes and desires for the business are not confused with the way we should model the business. We want to have a very straight head and remain grounded in how we set the numbers and how we set expectations. And again, staying disciplined in that fashion has helped us as a company, especially in the last year we have seen. I would not like to distort that model. So I would suggest, you know, having a rule of 61 is something which we are really proud of. But is it going to continue? Can I say that for sure? No, I don't think I would like to say that. But there are risks and opportunities outside of our control. And it goes back to how much profit will it be? I think longer term, seeing that this business can get better is a good expectation, but I would not model it that way and take it easy over the time. I think we are doing really well, and I would not speak more than this, but I think the business is just doing well. John, this is Dushant. If I may actually add, our strategy is truly to create a perpetual growth engine here, and from that perspective, We are always making, as Sanjay talked about, there is tremendous partnership between revenue and the profitability. But at the same time, our goal is to deliver long-term shareholder returns by continuing to grow the business. So we'll continue to make strategic investments as well.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Darren Taylor with Wolf Research. Your line is now open.

Guys, thank you. Nice job on the quarter. I think you touched on how there's incremental larger customers that you see onboarding coming up, not just in addition to the ones you brought on early. So maybe just help us understand if there's any type of inflection in demand or more of a recognition of your offering that you're seeing resonate even more in a more pronounced manner today than maybe you were let's call it a year ago, just because the pace of ads and the pace of acceleration was pretty notable as, you know, I know others have called that also. So maybe we'll just start there, guys. Thanks.

Thank you, Darren. Actually, this is part of our, if you recall during the IPO, we talked about horizon one strategy, the horizon two, and then horizon three. So some sort of basically a transit inflection point from going from mid-market to higher-end customers and so on. What we are realizing now is that we are sort of redefining the higher end of the market uh we used to used to think that you know higher end could be a few million dollar deals uh and then you start to see the opportunities to even do better than that uh just because the level of complexity that exists from uh payment uh payment inflows and outflows for a given organization That has now outpaced an organization's own ability for their own engineers to handle. So we used to think of this as replacing the legacy providers only because of the advancement of the capabilities paymentless platform and the ecosystem provides. Now we think of this as a re-engineering of the entire customer journey and, frankly, the payment journey for the customers, vendors, and all participants in the ecosystem. to become a target for Paymentus. So that's what is happening. And you are seeing in the verticals we talk about, you will see some decent verticals you are seeing success. Like we didn't think that we will be this successful this early in education vertical, for example, and other verticals we talk about as well in our bookings profile, even this quarter. So what we are seeing is that Our platform is universally scalable to any vertical. No vertical is too far from us. No customer is too large for us. No workflow is too complex for us. And no customer is too small for us. So we feel like this is a pretty broad opportunity we are setting. And that's why I keep actually saying that we got something special here, the way the DNA of the company and the way we are designing our business. So I'm excited about it, and I look forward to sharing more and more as we continue to develop our strategy.

And guys, I mean, I know the IPNs have been helpful in terms of reselling and just go-to-market, but maybe just help me understand, A, really what the latest is with your partners on that front, but more importantly, just your overall go-to-market approach, given how much scale you've had, just how much larger you've become now, and especially when you add on these verticals, how we should think about your ability to address each one of them from a go-to-market standpoint. Thanks again, guys.

Yeah, thank you. IPM actually continues to be a multi-sided network from banks and credit unions to our clients on the billing side. And to your point, now that we are signing billing companies at a faster click, the companies, they're large and diverse in the verticals. The IPN itself becomes very valuable long-term asset for all participants, whether it is for a billing company who wants to reach to all their customers across all dimensions of interactions or the originating partners who want to reach in a modern way to any of the payees, if you will, on behalf of their customers. So we think our IPN will continue to be a competitive mode for us. And since it is our proprietary network designed by us, taught through by us, and managed by us, we believe it is a long-term competitive mode for the company.

Yeah. Makes sense, guys. Thank you.

Thank you, Darren.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Matt O'Neil with FT Partners. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Hi. Good evening, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. Um, I think, you know, I know a lot of different questions have been asked around the outperformance in the quarter, but, um, given the magnitude of it, I think investors, you know, want to understand, you know, where things may be, um, sort of recurring in nature and where things may have kind of come through on a more one-time basis. So given how much visibility you have and see the core business, would it be possible to parse, uh, in some way, you know, the benefit in the quarter from, you know, things like pricing or sales? implementations coming on faster. And to that last point, I believe last quarter was a record for implementations coming on with this quarter, you know, maybe even another record. Thank you.

Matt, great question. Thank you for asking. I say that in the past we have not broken down the vectors in terms of quantitative aspect. that how much each vector contributes for revenue growth or CP growth. I think I would like to stay consistent with that kind of a discussion. I think we like to discuss these things more qualitatively than quantitatively. But I understand that growth is significant in the quarter, and I would like to provide some minimal color. I would say that large implementations which happen in the quarter It's a cohort of implementation, so it's not just one or two implementations. And they all happen at different points in time in the quarter, some in first month, some in second month, some in third month. And they were originally planned to happen in 25. So what that does for us is it kind of de-risks the 25 expectation from these customers. And in 24, we got is basically an upside. So if you want to call that as non-recurring, maybe it'll fit the definition of non-recurring in Q4. But from our perspective, the recurring revenue from these customers is now secured instead of being at risk for next year. The impact on the quarter, definitely I cannot quantify, but I like to quantify that the impact of these cohort of customers going live early is approximately 500 basis points growth on our annual adjusted EBITDA margin dollars growth. So you're seeing around 55%, I think, growth year over year for full year. And I would say 500 basis points come from these. I think that's a relevant information I can share. But at the same time, like same-store sales, yes, it's getting better. Over time, the trends, when I look at for the last seven, eight quarters, the trends are just getting better for same-store sales. And that's primarily because the kind of customers we are getting or booking or going live are from not only the verticals we are getting focused on, but also the kind of customers we are getting. They are themselves in a growth stage. So we are inherent beneficiary of their growth. So same-store sales is getting better. And overall, the transaction growth is speaking for our growth in any direction you think of. I hope that provides some decent perspective for the quarter.

Yeah, that was extremely helpful. I appreciate it. And I would agree it's not down recurring by definition, but I appreciate how you articulated those points. Thanks so much.

Sure. Thanks, Matt.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Andrew Bach with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Hey, good evening, guys, and thanks for taking the question. Just want to drill into, you know, painting a picture on what these larger customers look like. I mean, could you give us a framework with how to think about how big they actually are, meaning, you know, size of potential TAM relative to, you know, a simple biller or the run-of-the-mill biller on your current base? And perhaps like how much of the backlog is comprised by this cohort of quote unquote large, large billers?

I think I would say, as I was trying to refer earlier, Andrew, that from our vantage point, I think we ourselves are getting increasingly more excited about the TAM. TAM itself is growing beyond, like you said, run-of-the-mill billers. Now that we are seeing and we are able to prove in practice, not only by being able to convince a large enterprise a household name we all would have heard of and won't fit into a traditional biller category, they look at our platform from being able to convince them that Paymentus is the rightful home for them for the long term, and then being able to prove thereby implementing their complex workflows, both inbound and outbound in many cases, it is actually quite remarkable journey. So it is very exciting for us. In terms of the backlog, I think not providing a very detailed color on the backlog, the backlog remains strong, and it is mixed off Just like our current platform is, current onboarded customer bases, it remains very similar. It's a mix of small, large, midsize, different verticals customers. And so is the pipeline.

And, Deshaun, I appreciate the comments that the business has now doubled from the IPO three years ago. And thinking about this business over the next three years, Not asking you if we can anticipate another double, but how would you anticipate the use cases of the platform to evolve? I mean, with the dual-sided nature of the business, we always thought that payouts would be a natural extension to what level of service that you could provide to your customers. But any other high-level thoughts on maybe the longer-term opportunities that you're investing in today that we may not see in the numbers for a couple of years to come?

And I would say that's a great question, Andrew. And I think probably summarizes in your question, that it summarizes in some ways the DNA and the innovative framework for the company. So as you said, paying is what we do great. Payments, inbound payments. Payouts is a natural extension. But payouts not just what you would think from the vendor's perspective. You're talking about all types of payouts. So Paymentus' current platform today allows you to have the entire, if I may use the word, ensemble of all workflows, whether it is between an employee and an employer, whether it is between a customer and a billing company, whether it is a bank and a customer, whether it is between an enterprise to a vendor. All of those capabilities we actually have been building on. And so a few years out, they don't show up in the numbers just because of size and scale. I'm knocking on wood here. Size and scale we have built right now, but they will start to show up later on. And last but not the least, that is one of the reasons what is exciting for us in being able to eventually long-term monetize the interchange into a revenue center from what appears as a cost center only today.

Pretty exciting. Thank you, Dushant.

Thank you, Andrew.

Thank you for your question. There are no additional questions waiting at this time, so I'll pass the call back to the management team for any closing remarks.

Well, thank you so much, everyone, for joining today. Have a great day. Bye-bye.

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