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spk08: Everyone, and welcome to the PBF Energy Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open to your questions following management's prepared remarks. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Colin Murray of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.
spk04: Thank you, Debbie. Good morning and welcome to today's call. With me today are Matt Lucey, our president and CEO, Karen Davis, our CFO, Tom Nimley, our executive chairman, and several other members of our management team. Copies of today's earnings release and our 10-Q filing, including supplemental information, are available on our website. Before getting started, I'd like to direct your attention to the safe harbor statement contained in today's press release. Statements in our press release and those made on this call that express the company's or management's expectations or predictions of the future are forward-looking statements intended to be covered by the safe harbor provisions under federal securities laws. There are many factors that could cause actual results that differ from our expectations, including those we describe in our filings with the SEC. Consistent with our prior periods, we'll discuss our results today, excluding special items. In today's press release, we described the non-cash special items included in our quarterly results. The cumulative impact of these special items decreased third quarter net income by an after-tax amount of $65 million, or 50 cents a share, primarily related to a change in the fair value of the contingent considerations associated with the Martinez acquisition, loss on extinguishment of debt, and exit costs associated with the early termination of the inventory intermediation agreement. Also included in today's press release is further guidance information related to our expectations for the remainder of 2023 operations. For any questions on these items or follow-up questions, please contact Investor Relations after the call. For reconciliations of any non-GAAP measures mentioned on today's call, please refer to the supplemental tables provided in today's press release. I'll now turn the call over to Matt Lucie.
spk02: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining the call. Today, PBF reported another quarter of strong results, our third strongest quarter in our history, I believe, driven by robust, refined product markets that dominated most of the quarter. Our refineries ran reasonably well with no major planned outages at any of our facilities during the quarter. Now that we're in the shoulder season, we've seen gasoline cracks come off, but as expected, diesel margins have remained robust as inventories are tight. Despite the recent pullback in gasoline, we expect that prices will stabilize and compound cracks, on average, will remain above previous mid-cycle levels as they are today. The pricing environment will continue to remain volatile, However, PBF is well positioned to respond to these market conditions with our high complexity, high conversion, refining footprint. With respect to capital allocation, our core principle is to create a competition for capital in which capital flows to its highest and best use. As we've stated previously, our first priority was to strengthen and simplify our balance sheet. We operate in a cyclical business, and a strong balance sheet is imperative in managing the inevitable market cycles. At this point, we have an investment-grade balance sheet that ranks among the strongest in our peer group. With balance sheets substantially behind us, PBF will continue to weigh investments in growth against returning capital shareholders and our allocation of excess cash. A year ago, we reinstated our dividend. This week, our Board approved a $0.05 per share increase in the quarterly dividend to $0.25 per share. Going forward, further potential dividend increases will be evaluated on an annual basis. In the fourth quarter of 22, we announced a $500 million share buyback program and then increased the authorization to $1 billion in May. From inception of the buyback program in December through today, we have deployed $590 million in cash, repurchasing 14 million shares, or 11% of the shares outstanding. Going forward, we expect to remain active in buying back shares. The ultimate level of buyback activity will be determined by the excess cash generation of our business, coupled with a rigorous evaluation of reinvestment opportunities relative to share buyback economics. Investments in growth will be disciplined and will leverage PBF strengths. We have no plans to get bigger for the sake of getting bigger. Diversification will not be pursued for the sake of diversification. Our goal is to leverage our core strengths and assets and expertise to make investments in complementary businesses with compelling risk-return ratios. A perfect example of this blueprint is our investment in St. Bernard Renewables, where we leveraged an idled asset and our expertise in fuels manufacturing into a compelling renewable diesel joint venture with a world-class partner in ENI. Turning to Renewable Diesel, we are pleased to announce that in the first full quarter of operations, St. Bernard Renewables has reported positive earnings. We continue to line out operations post-RDU startup in June and the PTU startup in late July. We did advance a catalyst change on the RDU into the fourth quarter as we work to optimize the assets. We are more than pleased to have gotten to this point working alongside our joint venture partner, E&I Sustainable Mobility, as we continue exploring opportunities to expand our partnership. Furthering PBS participation in the future of energy, the U.S. Department of Energy recently selected Mach 2 project as the regional hydrogen hub that will receive funding under the IRA. Although there is still a lot of ground to cover, we are pleased to be part of the consortium that will advance this project and ultimately supply hydrogen as a clean energy transportation fuel. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we're in the midst of planned maintenance at torrents on the FCC and outlation units, and we're doing additional work on the Martinez Flexi-Coker. The Flexi-Coker work was unplanned, and the downtime from both Torrance and Martinez will impact fourth quarter capture rates on the West Coast. The good news is that Martinez work should be complete in the next week or so, and Torrance work should be complete before the end of the month. As we saw from activity early in the quarter, commodity markets will continue to be volatile. The global refining system, and PBF in particular, We'll be nimble in adapting to market conditions. Before I turn the call over to Karen, I want to repeat the tailwinds that we currently see for PBF. First, our complex, predominantly coastal coking refining system is well situated for the current marketplace. Second, maybe most importantly, the transformation of our balance sheet is now complete. We have reduced or extended our gross debt. We bought in the intermediation agreement. And as of today, we have essentially extinguished our outstanding rent obligation. We've reinstated, now increased our dividend, implemented a share repurchase program, and are now producing renewable fuels, and have also been selected as part of the growing hydrogen economy with the Mach 2 project. These are all tailwinds that PBF has had direct hand in creating and will help drive long-term value. With that, I'll turn it over to Karen.
spk07: Thank you, Matt. For the third quarter, we reported adjusted net income of $6.61 per share and adjusted EBITDA of $1.3 billion. This includes approximately $14.6 million generated from our equity interest in SBR. Also included in our results is an approximate $100 million benefit from the market decline in the price of renewable energy credits, which is captured in our gross margin. Cash flow from operations for the quarter was $1.15 billion, excluding working capital changes. Working capital was a headwind of $618 million for the quarter, mostly related to our continued efforts to strengthen and simplify our balance sheets. Those efforts in the third quarter included exiting our inventory intermediation agreement in July at a total cost of $268 million, and second, we further reduced our outstanding environmental payables by $339 million. That brings the total reduction in our environmental credit liability to over $900 million for the year to date. The liability totaled $454 million as of September 30th. One comment on our outstanding environmental payables. In our previous calls, we mentioned a normalized range of payables of approximately $200 to $400 million. Recently, we have seen that the price of environmental credits can indeed come down. This impacts the dollar range previously provided. Going forward, we suggest thinking about our normalized payables as reflecting approximately two to four months of our net obligation. Taking into account the RINs we are buying from SBR, our normalized environmental payables will likely reflect a balance of approximately 50 to 100 million RINs. This range may fluctuate depending on market conditions and commercial strategy. We further strengthened the balance sheet during the quarter by reducing our gross debt by approximately $170 million, primarily through issuing $500 million in 2030 notes and calling the remaining balance of our 2025 notes. Of note, with the issuance of our new 2030 notes in August and redemption of the 2025 notes, we have no near-term debt maturities, and we also increased the size of our undrawn ABL facilities to $3.5 billion and extended the maturity to 2028. Consolidated capex for the third quarter was approximately $190 million, which includes $155 million for refining, corporate and logistics, and approximately $35 million related to SBR. For the entirety of 2023, we expect PVF Energy CapEx excluding SBR to be approximately $800 to $850 million. This is above the previously provided range, primarily due to the increased scope of work for our ongoing West Coast turnaround and advanced purchases of long lead items for planned 2024 turnarounds. Also during the third quarter, we received $415 million in proceeds related to the SBR joint venture, bringing total proceeds received related to our investment in SBR to $845 million. We continue to demonstrate our commitment to shareholder returns through our quarterly dividends and share repurchase program. Dividends paid during the third quarter totaled 27 million, and as Matt mentioned, we just announced an increase in our quarterly dividend from 20 cents to 25 cents. With respect to our share repurchase program, of the almost 590 million of total repurchases to date, 115 million was executed in the third quarter. For the life of the program, as of October 31st, we have repurchased almost 14.3 million shares and reduced our total share count to just under 122 million shares. We view dividends and share repurchases as important components of our overall long-term capital allocation and shareholder return objectives. Our G&A expenses for the third quarter came in at 93 million, which includes our base G&A expense and amounts related to the company's incentive and equity-based compensation plans. As mentioned last quarter, depending on financial and operational performance, there could be approximately $125 to $175 million of incremental GNA expense annually related to our compensation programs above our annual base GNA of approximately $225 million. We ended the quarter with almost $1.9 million in cash and just over $1.2 billion of debt. We are retaining incremental cash above our previously guided ranges because it's earmarked for future near-term uses, including higher turnaround activity in Q4, continued reductions in outstanding environmental payables and other current liabilities, and the final payment of the Martinez earn-out early next year. We will continue to focus on maintaining a robust balance sheet and exercising sound financial policy. Our balance sheet and the safe operations of our assets are key priorities while maintaining a disciplined approach to rewarding our shareholders. We believe our sector-leading balance sheet meets or exceeds many investment-grade credit metrics, and we maintain our goal of eventually achieving investment-grade status. Operator, we've completed our opening remarks, and we'd be pleased to take questions.
spk08: In a moment, we will open the call to questions. The company requests that all callers limit each turn to one question and one follow-up. You may rejoin the queue with additional questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Roger Reed with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
spk06: Yeah, thank you. Good morning. And just say, you know, congrats on the overall transformation. I mean, it wasn't that long ago I assumed you were going to have to issue shares to keep the company going. solvent, and now you're in the process of returning this much cash to shareholders. So great job there. My question, Matt, and you were alluding to a lot of it, maybe more than alluding during your comments, but growth. Avoid growth for growth's sake. Avoid growth for diversification. But we also know that there's a big auction process for Citgo. What are your thoughts as you look at that or any other, let's say, U.S. refining opportunity or maybe even more broadly North America since there's an East Canada unit that might be on the market as well?
spk02: Thanks for the question and the comments, Roger. In regards to CITGO, it's a quagmire. I mean, it's, you know, in a court process, it's Within geopolitics, football that's being thrown around, quite frankly, I don't think it's worth talking about at this point. I don't see any reason why. Anecdotally, I've read articles where the valuations, if they're true, they're exorbitantly more than what PBF is being valued today. So I hope it's true because it means our company is worth a lot more and the shares that we've been buying over the last year are going to be worth a lot more. So I don't think there's anything to comment on in regards to Sitco in particular. I have no idea where it's going to go, and I don't think it's going to go anywhere in the near future. My comments were specific for a reason in that, and I think our company has become much, much easier with its simple and pristine balance sheet that we have now. Anything that we look at has to have a compelling return aspect that is much more attractive than the shares that we've been buying. And we bought almost $600 million worth of shares over the last year. So it becomes very, very simple. I can assure you, as I can assure the marketplace, we have not only are we using the words rigor and discipline, but we've formalized an internal process so that everything will be down into an Excel model, making a mathematical calculation that shows the risk-return results of all of our alternatives, and we'll continue to execute that going forward. Appreciate that.
spk06: follow-up question is on the SBR. You know, a little guidance of some work coming here in the fourth quarter, but just stepping back, looking at the way this unit has started up, where you've been able to move the product, how do things look today versus six months ago before startup in terms of, you know, what you expected, what the budget looked like, and
spk02: know kind of what's been better what's been worse you know we we know a lot of others have had issues with startup buddies i'm just curious you know the good the bad and the ugly here yeah no it's it's good and it's sort of multifaceted so you have the base operation and then you have the marketplace i can start with the marketplace um you know the way we think about those that are participating in renewable fuels you know within the diesel market I don't want to confuse lingo here, but you have one end of the spectrum. You've got biodiesel. Maybe in the middle you have renewable diesel manufacturers that don't have pretreatment units, and then you've got integrated pretreatment units with the capability to manufacture renewable diesel, and then obviously geography plays on that. With the fall in some of the regulatory credits, I think bio-based diesel manufacturing is threatened in the short term. I think those that have a pretreatment facility and are able to run low-carbon fuels will be able to operate profitably, albeit at a lower margin than where it was a year ago. Obviously, there's lots of dynamic factors in this, not just the regulatory credits. But at the end of the day, I'm very, very confident that there will be a market incentive, a resilient market incentive for those with a pretreatment unit to manufacture renewable diesel. In regards to our operations, it's no different than the startup of probably any other operation. There's fits and starts. There's pluses and minuses. All in all, we've been very pleased. We got our unit up in a timeframe that was consistent with what we talked about. We did accelerate some catalyst work into the fourth quarter, which was earlier than we had planned, but that's all an attempt to optimize the unit. That will impact Q4 operations, clearly, because we had to take the unit down to do that. But as we're working through it, As I said, I think we're going to be able to improve on the throughput of the unit. So I think our capacity and we're ultimately able to work through the unit will probably be a positive surprise. I'm myopically focused on what the yields look like coming off the unit, and they've been a little bit worse than we expected. So there's pluses and minuses. We're working every day to make sure it's optimized, and we're getting a huge benefit from our partners at ENI. They've got a couple of these facilities already. They have expertise. They have relationships with some of the service providers, so I'm more than pleased with it in its entirety.
spk06: Great. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Legate with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
spk09: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Matt, thanks for taking my questions. Phenomenal capture rate in the quarter, and I wonder if you could speak to the absence of, as you pointed out in your prepared remarks, any meaningful downtime. How unusual should we think this quarter looks versus the outlook, or do you think a higher sustainable level of capture rate going forward? I think this is one of the highest I've seen on your history, frankly. How sustainable that might be. Has anything changed that reinforces your confidence that operational reliability has moved to a new level?
spk02: Well, look, I think when you're talking about work, you always have to look at the calendar. And, you know, we obviously plan our work. during periods where demand is not at its highest, and it's usually at its highest in the third quarter. So by definition, you're gonna want the second quarter and third quarter to have less work. That being said, as much as it frustrates me, I would like to set a memo out and cancel all future work and just run, but that's not possible. We do have, you know, turnarounds that will happen in the first quarter. We will have turnarounds, you know, but like I said, usually you set your calendar up to match with what the market has traditionally been. So in the fourth quarter, we have a big turnaround at Torrance. I have to take a moment, Doug, and Tom Nimbley, who's sitting here to the right, my right, has stated that or I'm about to say maybe 4,000 times, which is you can never measure the success of a turnaround until the run is complete. And I do have to take a moment for the people in Torrance. We just ran a catcracker at Torrance for eight years, a phenomenal run. And if you're able to do that, you reduce your capex on an amortized basis, you increase your uptime, and it's really a great result. So they deserve a lot of credit, and we intend to clearly communicate that to them. But that work is impactful in Q4 for sure. We did have an issue with our flexi-coker, which, by the way, we had a turnaround on early in the year in the first quarter. Part of the equipment that was untouched, and it wasn't touched because it shouldn't have been touched, but we had an issue with a blower there, and so we've had to take that equipment down. That is probably maybe the most complex unit we have in our entire system. So that was unfortunate, but that's being addressed. And like I said in my comments, we expect that to be up over the next week or so. But that also will have an impact on Q4.
spk09: That's great, Collar. Thanks, Matt. My follow-up is, I guess it's a regulatory question. Halfway through the quarter, Governor Newsom made some changes to RVP standards or timing, rather, um in california and i'm just wondering you know when you saw the strength of cracks in the first half of the quarter and obviously attracted some kind of regulatory response what was your thinking and all the noise around how that might play out with the commission and so on assuming volatility in the west coast has also moved to a new level given the pending closure of rodeo
spk02: Yeah, so interesting on the butane. I actually think it was a smart thing to do, and it increased supply. The problem we have with much of the regulatory framework when they see problems with price, they don't address the core issue. So advancing the butane blending by a couple weeks increased supply of gasoline, and we saw a precipitous drop in margins, which was fine. You know, it was probably a prudent thing to do for the people of California. Again, the issue is many of the steps that, or most of the steps, if not all the steps besides that, have unintended consequences that usually exasperate the problem, which could be limiting supply. So it was not a surprise to us. We've seen regions do that when there's tightness in the market. I don't know what will happen in the future, but that's always sort of an arrow that can be pulled. But, you know, we continue to recognize California as a very, very tight market and about to get tighter.
spk09: Yeah. We're watching with interest. Thanks so much, Matt. Appreciate the comments.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Todd with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.
spk14: Great, thanks. Congratulations on a great quarter, guys. And even Matt, if I could follow up on, thanks for your comments on the corporate and balance sheet priorities. I mean, I think with the balance sheet reductions complete, the JRN facility retired, like you said, and RIN liabilities retired. or reduced significantly. Can you talk about cash priorities from here? Should we expect to see a greater share of free cash flow targeted for share buybacks going forward? Or are there other things that we should be, other than the hydrogen project, that we should be considering?
spk02: Well, look, we've chopped a lot of wood reducing leverage for the company over the last year. But as I sit here today, as we sit here today, it's complete. There's nothing left to address We've got our bonds done. Karen and her team did a great job extending our bond maturity. We've reduced it a little bit. We've got $1.3 billion of bonds outstanding, and we have no interest in reducing it further. As you said, the RINs have been put to bed. Intermediation agreements have been paid off. So there is no more balance sheet work to be done, and it's a pretty amazing moment that we should all sort of taken and recognized. So going forward, as we generate excess cash, we'll look to deploy it the best way we can. There are no major projects on our books that we're reserving for at the moment. We're actively looking for opportunities for us to explore and bring to the market. But as of the moment, we have a very, very clean balance sheet, no work to be done. So as we generate cash, we'll look to reward shareholders.
spk14: Thank you. That's great. And then maybe just to follow up on the CapEx increase that you talked about, it sounds like you may have pulled forward a little bit of the long lead time items for the 2024 turnaround cost into the 2023 turnaround. budget there, you know, with RD spend now complete and as you said, no major projects on the books going forward. Can you maybe walk through how we should think about the run rate for CapEx for the business going forward in particular as we look into 2024?
spk02: Yeah, I mean, the simple answer is not going down. I mean, there's cost pressures and that's our job to manage. We haven't put out CapEx guidance for next year yet. I think that's usually maybe on the next call. But, you know, I don't think someone should be saying that there's going to be a step down. It's our job to manage it, so it's not a step up.
spk13: Okay. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Manav Gupta with UBS. Please proceed with your questions.
spk01: Good morning, guys. I'm hoping you can give me some more macro commentary on the regional gasoline markets. You operate in all regions. Where are you seeing strength in gasoline relatively and where is there some weakness? And also, are you actually seeing any kind of red flags in terms of demand, which should worry us? I mean, the gasoline crack went to mid single digits. It has rebounded, but it's still lower. So is it just seasonal or Do you think there is something structural to worry about, if you could talk about those points?
spk02: So I'll start with the first part and then pass it over to Paul on the specific region. In regards to demand, I think what you're getting from us is consistent with what you've heard from others. It's been stable, and we've had no problem moving products through our system. We've had no decline in our wholesale business. And so I was struck by sort of the monthly data that came out the other day that sort of corroborated that. I mean, you have weekly swings, ins and outs, and that's a bouncing ball that can be hard to follow. But when you pull back a little bit, I think maybe you get a little bit better picture. So the demand, I think, has been okay. Obviously, we've hit the shoulder season, as we always do, and you see seasonal differences. But, Paul, do you want to run through regions?
spk03: Yeah, from a regional standpoint, obviously the coastal markets have been and are still the strongest markets. West Coast primarily is our strongest market that we see from a demand standpoint, obviously for value, too. East Coast is right there, though. East Coast has been very strong through this year, certainly through the third quarter, and even as we speak today. Weakest, you know, coming out of the third quarter, I'd say Pad 2 was the weakest, and that's what we saw on our circuit, but that's migrated down to the Gulf. And right now, I would say the Gulf Coast is the weakest market. both from value and overall demand.
spk01: Perfect. I have a quick follow-up. Your press release says your outstanding environmental credit payables were reduced by $340 million. I'm just trying to understand, did you actually pay $340 million or the RIN prices and stuff came down a little and then you paid? And also, I think in the opening comments, you mentioned the RIN revaluation benefit of $100 million, if you could confirm that. Thank you.
spk07: Yes, I'll take that question. Yes, there was a $99 million mark-to-market benefit that's included in our gross margin. And with respect to cash outlay for reducing environmental credits, yes, the amount that we provided was the cash outlay.
spk01: Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair with Tudor Pickering Holt. Please proceed with your question.
spk13: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to follow up on this Mach 2 hydrogen hub. Is your opportunity impacted at all by the hydrogen deal that you did with Air Products in 2020? And do you have any early thoughts on CapEx or the EBITDA opportunity here?
spk02: First answer is no in regards to the air products deal. In regards to capital, it is too early to get into that. We're going to spend the next 12 to 18 months working with the consortium and developing a detailed plan. Once we get to that point, that could include PBF, looking to participate in regards to contributing capital to the project. It could also include PBF bringing in a partner if the returns don't meet our expectations to do that. But there's no question that Mach 2 project extends benefits and positive impacts to PBF. Obviously, there's the potential for a capital project. That capital project, as I said, will need to be competitive from a return standpoint. But also, you know, and by the way, I would describe PBS participation in this as the anchor within Mach 2, and I don't say that lightly. It's just Dell City is where much of this is going to be located, you know, intertwined at the refinery. So, you know, it will further diversify, you know, PBS energy platform and and sort of further extend us into renewable fuels, even if we're just hosting it. But it also highlights the importance of having refining capacity in Delaware, because if that were not there, the competitiveness of this hydrogen hub would decline precipitously. And also, the last piece is, you know, we're early days of developing what we believe is a meaningful real estate portfolio around Delaware City. We own 5,000 acres around it. And if we're able to construct a hydrogen hub that's based there, we think the value of that real estate, which is ideally situated for warehouse and distribution and refrigerated storage and data processing, to the extent you can have a green hydrogen project that's there and situated, the value of all those projects go up. So we think it's profoundly interesting, but it is a long slog and we are in the very early days.
spk13: Thanks for the details. I wanted to turn to the RD side of things and congrats on the strong initial operations at SBR. Could you share anything on what you're seeing in various RD end markets? For example, we've heard that areas like British Columbia and Oregon have become more appealing in the California market. And then also, if you could share anything on the feedstock side of things, I think the DOE showed a big increase in tallow consumption in August, and we were thinking that might be due to your PTU startup. Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, in regards to, look, I think there's going to be competitive markets, and all the markets are dynamic. I think there's going to be the ability to export into Europe. And so as regulatory credits move around and natural gas prices move around, feedstock prices move around, we are beholden to nobody. We do have logistical advantages to the degree we import into California, and that's where we've been sending our product up until this point. But the moment that we're able to economically improve our position by delivering other places, we will. In regards to specific grades of feedstocks, I think you're going to see lots of gyrations because these markets are relatively small. But again, having the pretreatment capability is incredibly important. It's like having a complex refiner. If you're a heavy sour coping refiner, you can run any crude, whereas if you're a sweet refiner, you can't run heavy grades. we're having the pre-treatment unit, we're able to buy the most economic feeds we can, and we're focused on buying them every single day. Great, thank you.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Cheng with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.
spk12: Thank you. Good morning, guys. Maybe that I would want to ask about Toledo refinery. It seems like the utilization rate for that facility over the past several years has been lower than, say, earlier in last decade. Is that the facility has changed the way how you run, and as a result, that one rate has been lower, or is that some structural issue there?
spk02: No. Nothing's changed in Toledo. the facility optimizes itself on a daily basis. Obviously, your pipeline fed refinery, and so you have to operate within the confines of that refinery. The pipeline's updated, but no major step change.
spk12: And it looks like you've been running at somewhere between the high 80 to maybe 90, 91%. Is that the tie-up? utilization rate you could expect from this facility on a going forward basis?
spk02: No, I mean, they have not operated as well as they could, and therefore we've had some impacts to throughput. I appreciate you calling them out because they should be called out, and we expect it to improve.
spk12: Okay. And when I'm looking at your four-quarter throughput guidance, it seems to be a tad low, given that you really don't have much of a turnaround other than in the West Coast. Is that reflecting some economic run slowdown due to the current margin environment, or why that the run will not be a bit higher?
spk02: I think it's based on a whole host of factors. And obviously, the current market should impact it, but there's no other limitations that we need to worry about.
spk12: Okay. Just final one is more of a request, if we would be able to see some additional R&D joint venture operating data, if that's possible, in the past release going forward. Thank you. Thanks, Paul.
spk08: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Leach with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
spk05: Hey, good morning, team. Congrats on a good quarter, and thanks for taking my questions. So I have two kind of related questions, so I'll just ask up front if that's all right. So first, just on WPS, we saw spreads widen out over the past couple of months. I was hoping you could just talk to the impact that had in the quarter, the setup for the fourth quarter going ahead, and then next year with TMX coming online. And then related to that, it looked like, to us at least, East Coast and West Coast capture gaming particularly strong. So I just hope you could talk to any drivers there. Thank you.
spk02: Look, I think widening crew deaths are a tailwind. Tom, you want to comment further? Yeah.
spk10: I mean, Joe, I think, as you mentioned, in terms of widening WCS differentials, I think kind of a combination of A lot of fits and starts as to when TMX was going to be starting, you know, so obviously we got more clarity in terms of that being delayed. You had a combination also with, you know, fairly robust turnaround, you know, activity with several refineries that consume a fair bit of WCS, which ultimately impacted really the value of where WCS was landing in the Gulf Coast, and then sort of several knock-on effects in that point, right, that Coming out of the third quarter where we had very strong differentials and particularly very strong fuel oil values, the fuel oil market basically responded to the WCS values and came off. And there's also just sort of, while not specifically in the market or any precipitous change at this point, but there's also any potential relaxations on Venezuela sort of opening up a more competitive environment for barrels being available on the Gulf Coast. So I think that those are what we've seen. And I think that, you know, certainly our expectations would be is that, you know, the crude differentials would continue to fall around the seasonals at this point, right? You know, differentials will get wider in 4Q and 1Q. And then as we get into the second quarter and third quarter of next year, particularly if TMX meets its targets to coming online, probably could expect differentials to be a little bit tighter in there. But, you know, there's also some impacts in terms of what the freight market has done, which has ultimately sort of capped the move on, you know, U.S. domestics, which were quite strong sort of in the late part of the third quarter and then have sort of declined in value since then.
spk05: Thank you. I appreciate it.
spk08: Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Jason Gabelman with Cowan. Please proceed with your question.
spk11: Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The strong margin performance has already been called out a couple times, and part of that you alluded to was driven by the RIN mark-to-market. I just wanted to give you an opportunity, if there was anything else unique that drove the strong margins in the quarter that maybe won't repeat in 4Q. And then, you know, somewhat tied to that, we've seen a lot of peers – have pressure in their margins driven by weaker secondary product realizations. And I'm wondering if your secondary product yields are perhaps a bit unique in the market or relative to your peers, and perhaps that supported 3Q margins and that would continue into 4Q. Thanks.
spk02: I don't think there's anything unique in regards to PBF, Paul. Do you want to make any comments on secondary products?
spk03: I mean, secondary, I mean, One of the best attributes we got is our high level of octane production, and our jet fuel production is higher than probably some of the other peers that we have. And depending on that market, it definitely has some impact on our captures. West Coast, we're definitively pretty strong on jet and octanes.
spk02: Yeah, and then the other aspect is, you know, in Q3, as Tom just went through, crew differentials were tight. That's actually a headwind for our capture rates. To the extent crew differential is widened out, our capture rate should improve, provided we're operating. Obviously, the work on the West Coast is going to impact the operations out there. But I don't see anything else, as you mentioned, like the RINs that have now been cleaned up and are behind us. So I think it's pretty clean.
spk11: All right, great. Thanks.
spk08: We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Matt Lucie for closing remarks.
spk02: Well, I appreciate everyone's participation in today's call. Like I said, we're very, very pleased with where the company is in regards to our asset base and our balance sheet, and we look forward to speaking to you again after the holidays. Have a great rest of the year. Thank you.
spk08: This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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