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spk05: I'd like to welcome everyone to today's conference, Public Service Enterprise Group's Fourth Quarter and Full Year Results, 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question and answer session for members of the financial community. At that time, if you have a question, you'll need to press the star and the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star and the number two. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, February 26, 2024, and will be available for replay as an audio webcast on PSEG's Investor Relations website at https://investor.pseg.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to Carlotta Chan. Please go ahead.
spk00: Good morning and welcome to PSEG's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings presentation. On today's call are Ralph LaRosa, Chair, President and CEO, and Dan Craig, Executive Vice President and CFO. The press release attachments and slides for today's discussion are posted on our IR website at investor.pseg.com and our 10-K will be filed later today. PSEG's earnings release and other matters discussed during today's call contain forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. We will also discuss non-GAAP operating earnings, which differs from net income as reported in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP in the United States. We include reconciliations of our non-GAAP financial measures and a disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements on our IR website and in today's materials. Following the prepared remarks, we will conduct a 30-minute question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Ralph La Rosa.
spk01: Thank you, Carlotta. Good morning to everyone and thanks for joining us to review PSEG's 2023 fourth quarter and full year results. For the fourth quarter of 2023, PSEG reported net income of $1.10 per share compared to net income of $1.58 per share in the fourth quarter of 2022. Non-GAAP operating earnings for the fourth quarter of 2023 were $0.54 per share compared to $0.64 per share in the fourth quarter of 2022. Our non-GAAP results excluding the items shown in attachments 8 and 9, which we provided with the earnings release. For the full year of 2023, PSEG reported net income of $5.13 per share compared to $2.06 per share for the full year of 2022. Our non-GAAP operating earnings of $3.48 per share for the full year came in at the high end of our 2023 guidance range of $3.40 to $3.50 per share and marked the 19th consecutive year that we delivered results meeting or exceeding our guidance. Our fourth quarter 2023 financial results capped off a solid operating year. Building on this result, you can see on slide five that we also reaffirmed PSEG's full year 2024 non-GAAP operating earnings guidance of $3.60 to $3.70 per share, as well as our 5% to 7% earnings CAGR through 2028, and our $18 to $21 billion regulated CapEx plan that supports our rate-based CAGR of 6% to 7.5% through 2028. In rolling forward our five-year capital plan to 2028, we added approximately $3 billion of investments to the prior plan that started from a year-end 2023 rate base of $29 billion. These are all unchanged from our January 2024 investor updates, and we continue to identify potential investment opportunities for future rate-based growth. Dan will discuss our financial results in greater detail following my remarks, so I will focus on a quick look back then on our outlook and objectives for 2024. Since our last earnings call, PSE&G has submitted two important filings to the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities. In early December 2023, we filed our $3.1 billion Energy Efficiency II investment program. This significantly expanded offering is driven by an increase in work to achieve the savings targets required under the BPU's updated Energy Efficiency Framework. This program will launch the state's second energy efficiency cycle beginning in January of 2025 and run through June of 2027 with investments made over a six-year period. Our EE2 filing aligns with the annual reduction goals of 0.75% for gas and 2% for electric contained in New Jersey's Clean Energy Act of 2018, which are all unchanged, and extends through the 2027 program year. In the interim, we continue to conduct our award-winning energy efficiency program, which remains oversubscribed. Just last November, we filed for a second extension to this program, totaling approximately $300 million, covering the July through year-end 2024 period. As a direct result of these programs, PSE&G is also advancing its Clean Energy Jobs program with a focus on lower- and middle-income community hiring and training. Our EE programs continue to create value by lowering customer bills, reducing energy use and emissions, and providing shareholders with a return of and on the energy efficiency spending. New Jersey continues to be a national leader in promoting the broad adoption of EE, and it remains an important tool in helping us reach New Jersey's clean energy goals. The second regulatory filing we made in December was our first distribution base rate case in nearly six years. This case addresses 57% of our rate base, given that the other 43% is regulated under our first formula rate. You're aware that this filing was required pursuant to the settlement of our second gas system modernization program back in 2018. The following proposes an overall revenue increase of 9%, the typical combined residential electric and gas customer seeing a proposed increase of 12% or less than 2% of compounded growth over the six year period. We expect a procedural schedule for this rate case to be issued in the near term and based on previous rate case timelines, we anticipate that this rate case will conclude later in 2024. The largest item in the rate case is to obtain recovery of our capital expenditures, already made to modernize system infrastructure and improve reliability, but not yet in rates, as well as to implement recovery of expenditures for the previously approved AMI and electric vehicle programs. Besides capital recovery, the rate case proposes several mechanisms to mitigate the impacts of market volatility on customer bills, including insulating customers from swinging interest rates, severe weather events, and revenue-related impacts of pension, providing for a more predictable monthly bill. We are also proposing a new time of use rate that will allow customers to save on their bills by shifting usage to off-peak periods, a rate option that can benefit all customers, including incentivizing residential customers to charge their electric vehicles during these off-peak hours. The BPU has added several commissioners in the past year. Governor Murphy recently appointed Michael Bange, a retired water utility executive with operations experience. The new commissioners continue to advance a full agenda, and we already have several data points over the past six months that are consistent with prior results, including two recent rate case settlements that adopted the existing New Jersey return on equity rate of 9.6%. These agreements between the BPU staff, Rate Council, other intervenors, and the utilities demonstrate a continued preference for settlements over adjudicated cases in New Jersey. In 2023, the BPU will also approve settlements to extend our GSMP2 program for two years to invest $900 million on infrastructure modernization and greenhouse gas reduction, as well as a nine-month extension for $280 million covering our EE1 program through June of 2024. If you follow us for several years, you know that we are also laser focused on cost containment. In 2023, we're able to lock in four-year labor agreements with all our New Jersey represented employees, which addresses one of our largest O&M costs. This is just one example of our relentless cost discipline, which has positioned our distribution rate case increases to be the lowest in the state over the six years since our last rate case filing back in 2018. A comparison of our in-state electric and gas distribution rate increases since our last rate case is shown on slide 12. PSE&G's electric distribution CAGR was less than one-third of the average New Jersey electric CAGR and our gas distribution CAGR was less than half of the average New Jersey gas CAGR. BSE&G's customer bills continue to compare very well with regional peers for residential electric and gas service and remain lower from a historical share of wallet basis. Of considerable note was our ability to reduce monthly bills for typical residential natural gas customers with three commodity reductions during 2023 prior to the 2024 heating season. In addition to this focus on affordability, we continue to provide outstanding reliability. For the 22nd consecutive year, PSE&G received the Reliability I Award in the Mid-Atlantic Metropolitan Service Area from PA Consulting, an industry benchmarking group. We are very proud to have combined our reputation for reliability and our regionally favorable affordability with nationally recognized customer satisfaction scores. PSE&G ranked number one for the second consecutive year in the J.D. Power 2023 U.S. Electric Utility Residential Customer Satisfaction Study in the east among our large utilities. We also secured the top position in the J.D. Power 2023 U.S. Electric Utility Business Customer Satisfaction Study in that same region. Now let's turn to our capital investment programs. During the fourth quarter of 2023, PSE&G invested approximately $1 billion in energy infrastructure and clean energy, bringing the full capital spend to $3.7 billion, our largest-ever single-year expenditure. As I mentioned earlier, PSE&G finished 2023 with a total rate base of approximately $29 billion, which was a 10% increase over year-end 2022 rate base. A key driver of this growth is our energy efficiency program, which continues to experience higher demand for residential and CNI offerings, accounting for close to $480 million of the $3.7 billion. Our infrastructure advancement program, which is focused on modernizing the last mile of our system, has never been more critical, as activity in response to new service requests for EV make ready and additional large specific projects, including data centers, picks up. We also installed and placed into service 1.5 million smart meters through our CEF Advanced Metering Program, or AMI. The total AMI program, which is intended to replace more than 2 million meters in total, is expected to be completed this year. Still on schedule and on budget. I'll turn to our nuclear operations. The nuclear production tax credit provided in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act began on January 1st of this year and extends through 2032 with a payment of up to $15 a megawatt hour based on nuclear units' gross receipts. Our nuclear fleet operated 93% capacity factor for the full year of 2023, producing approximately 32 terawatt hours of carbon-free, base load energy, which included a Salem 1 breaker-to-breaker run between refuelings. In wrapping up, I want to note a few other highlights. For the 16th consecutive year, PSEG has been named the Dow Jones Sustainability North America Index, and for 2024, PSEG will also be included in the S&P Global Sustainability Yearbook. U.S. News and World Report also recently named PSEG to its inaugural list of 200 best companies to work for. And in 2023, we were recognized by the CPA Zinclin Index as a trendsetter for corporate political disclosure practices and accountability. We also completed the sale of our last fossil unit in Hawaii last year, making PSEG Power one of the few carbon-free baseload generating fleets in the country. This fleet is well situated to benefit from potential data center growth, hydrogen hubs, and a license extension, with none of the potential upside in our current five-year plan. ESE&G continues to execute on a robust set of growth investments aligned with New Jersey's energy policy goals, as well as expected growth from increased electrification, including EV adoption, port electrification, as well as new business, including data center loads. These last two mentions were recently recognized by PJM in their January 2024 load forecast report for our PS zone. We are very pleased with the progress made thus far to increase the predictability of PSCG. An important part of achieving this comes from our ability to execute on our current five-year capital investment plan without the need to issue new equity or sell assets. PSEG has delivered on what we said we would do, and I look forward with confidence in this team's ability to continue to execute on our business plan in the years ahead. I'd like to close my remarks by thanking all 12,500-plus PSEG employees for their dedication to safety, reliability, and our customers. I'll now turn the call over to Dan to discuss our financial results and outlook in greater detail, and I'll be available for your questions after his remarks.
spk04: Thank you, Ralph, and good morning, everyone. As Ralph mentioned earlier, PCG reported net income of $5.13 per share for the full year of 2023 compared to net income of $2.06 per share for 2022. Non-GAAP operating earnings for the full year of 2023 were $3.48 per share compared to $3.47 per share for 2022. For the fourth quarter of 2023, net income was $1.10 per share compared to $1.58 per share in 2022. and non-GAAP operating earnings were 54 cents per share for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to 64 cents per share in 2022. We've provided you with information on slides seven and nine regarding the contribution to non-GAAP operating earnings per share by business segment for the fourth quarter and full year of 2023. Slides eight and 10 contain waterfall charts that take you through the net changes, the quarter-over-quarter and full-year periods, in non-GAAP operating earnings per share by major business. Starting with PSE&G, which reported fourth quarter 2023 net income of 58 cents per share compared to 70 cents per share in 2022. PSE&G had non-GAAP operating earnings of 59 cents per share for the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to 70 cents per share in 2022. The main drivers for both net income and non-GAAP operating earnings results for the quarter growth in investments in transmission and gas distribution. These favorable items were offset by the expected decline in pension income and lower OPEB-related credits, as well as anticipated higher depreciation, amortization, and interest expense resulting from higher investments, not yet reflected in rates, and the timing of O&M in the quarter that was within our expectations for the full year. Compared to fourth quarter 2022, margin was three cents higher driven by transmission at a penny per share and gas margin also at a penny per share higher primarily driven by the clause recovery of our gsmp investment other utility margin was also one cent per share favorable distribution o m expense increased five cents per share compared to the fourth quarter 2022 reflecting seasonality and operational timing but for the full year distribution o m was flat versus 2022. Appreciation and interest expense each increased two cents per share compared to the fourth quarter of 2022, reflecting continued growth in investment. Lower pension income resulting from 2022's investment returns combined with lower OPEB credits, which ended in 2023, resulting in a four cent per share unfavorable comparison to the year earlier quarter. Lastly, the timing of taxes recorded through an effective tax rate, which nets to zero across the full year, and other flow-through taxes had a net unfavorable impact of a penny per share in the quarter compared to 2022. Weather during the fourth quarter, as measured by heating degree days, was 15% warmer than normal and 13% warmer than the fourth quarter of last year. As we've mentioned, the Conservation Incentive Program, or SIP, mechanism limits the impact of weather and other sales variances, positive or negative, on electric and gas margins, while helping PSE&G broadly promote the adoption of its energy efficiency programs. Growth in the number of electric and gas customers, the driver for margin under the SIPP mechanism, has remained positive, with each up by about 1% in 2023. On capital spending, as Ralph mentioned, PSE&G invested approximately $1 billion during the fourth quarter and completed its largest single-year investment program at $3.7 billion for the full year. The program included upgrades and replacements to our T&D facilities, Energy Strong II investments, last-mile spend in the infrastructure advancement program, ongoing gas infrastructure replacements via base and GSMP II spending, continued rollout of the clean energy investments in energy efficiency, smart meter installation, and EV make-ready infrastructure. We recently rolled forward our five-year regulated capital investment plan to 2028, amounting to $18 to $21 billion, which incorporates both the new $3.1 billion CEF EE2 filing, as well as the $300 million expansion of the existing EE program through the end of 2024. For 2024, our regulated capital investment plan totals approximately $3.4 billion. Moving on to PCG Power and other. For the fourth quarter of 2023, TCG Power & Other reported net income of $0.52 per share compared to net income of $0.88 per share for 2022. Non-GAAP operating loss was $0.05 per share for the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to a non-GAAP operating loss of $0.06 per share for 2022. For the fourth quarter of 2023, net energy margin rose by $0.05 per share after including lower capacity revenues that were $0.03 per share unfavorable. and gas ops that were lower by one cent per share compared to the year earlier quarter. O&M comparisons in the fourth quarter improved by a penny per share driven by the absence of a Hope Creek refueling outage. Lower interest expense was a penny per share favorable, primarily the result of lower collateral requirements. Lower pension income from 22 investment returns and OPEB credits from the lower amortization benefit were $0.03 per share unfavorable versus fourth quarter of 2022. And taxes and other were $0.03 per share unfavorable compared to the fourth quarter of 2022, reflecting a partial reversal of the effective tax rate benefit from the first quarter of 2023. On the operating side, the nuclear fleet produced approximately 7.3 terawatt hours during the fourth quarter and 32 terawatt hours for the full year of 2023, running at a capacity factor of 86% and 93% for the quarter and full year respectively. At year end 2023, PCG Power had edged approximately 90% to 95% of its expected generation for 2024 at an average price of $38 per megawatt hour, up from $31 per megawatt hour in 2023. Touching on some recent financing activity. As of December 31st, PCG had total available liquidity of $3.4 billion, including $54 million of cash on hand. PCG Power had net cash collateral postings of approximately $113 million at December 31st, more consistent with historical experience and substantially below the elevated level seen during 2022. This reduction in collateral also helped to bolster PCG's cash from operations to $3.8 billion for the full year 2023 versus $1.5 billion for the full year of 2022. At year end 2023, PSEG had $500 million outstanding of a 364-day variable rate term loan maturing in April 2024, and PSEG Power had $1.25 billion outstanding of a variable rate term loan maturing in March of 2025. We swapped a total of $1.4 billion from these two term loans at PSEG Power and PSEG from a variable to a fixed rate to mitigate variability in interest rates. As of December 31st, reflecting our swaps, approximately 4% of our total debt was at a variable rate, which is down nearly 8% since year-end 2022, driven by a reduction in parent short-term debt of nearly $1.7 billion. We continue to maintain solid investment grade ratings. Looking ahead, we expect that PSE&G's considerable cash generation combined with PSCG Power's enhanced cash flow visibility from the nuclear PTC, will support the execution of PSCG's five-year capital spending plan, which is dominated by regulated CapEx, without the need to issue new equity or sell assets. In closing, we executed on our 19th year in a row of meeting or exceeding our non-GAAP operating earnings guidance. We are reaffirming PSCG's full year 2024 non-GAAP operating earnings guidance of $3.60 to $3.70 per share. And we are reaffirming the extension over 5% to 7% operating earnings compounded annual growth rate through 2028. That concludes our formal remarks, and we are now ready to begin the question and answer session.
spk05: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session for members of the financial community. If you have a question, please press the star and the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered and you wish to withdraw your polling request, you may do so by pressing star and the number two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before entering your request. One moment, please, for the first question. The first question is from Char Peruzza with Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed with your question.
spk08: Hi, good morning, team. It's actually Constantine here on for Char. Congrats on a great quarter.
spk01: Thanks, Constantine. Hello, Constantine.
spk08: Good morning. Starting off on the power side of the business, do you see any further upside to earnings contributions from nuclear beyond the Salem uprace and refueling cycle adjustments like Hope Creek and 25? And maybe any pushes and takes as these could be accreted versus the utility growth on a consolidated basis?
spk01: Constantine, I think we've been mentioning for quite some time that we've got, we potentially have some upside down from PPAs or something similar to that. But we're going to look at how the state moves from an economic development standpoint and then make some decisions from there. And let me give you a very specific kind of thought process. We've done a lot of work down and around the plant in anticipation of the wind port. And so that work progressed and the state's been very happy with it. They've got some manufacturers that are either in the process of moving into that area or still considering it. If they don't use all of that area, maybe we could look at an electrolyzer setup that could be down in that vicinity that could provide us with an opportunity. Maybe there could be a data center down in that area, but all of those things really are driven by the growth that the state's looking to do from an economic development standpoint, and as we have done for many years here, aligned with the policy of the state, and that's going to enable us to continue to excel. I think there is some upside. None of that's in our plan. None of it has been in our plan. And we're just going to keep our options open.
spk08: Okay. And any particular timeframe that you're looking at? No.
spk01: No, no. I think, you know, once we get a couple of years out here, we'll be able to see, you know, the ZECs are still in place through 25. And as all the companies are talking about ad nauseum, the PTC rules need to come out. And once all of that comes together, we'll be able to, look at a plan, optimize the revenues from those plans.
spk08: Okay, perfect. And maybe shifting to PSE&G for a little bit, do you have any thoughts around any lessons learned around recent rate proceedings in the state? And just how are you thinking in terms of update filings through the process and maybe the activity around settlement negotiations, like any deal breakers or settlement like ROE or anything else?
spk01: Yeah, Constantine, I think the biggest lesson learned is that New Jersey has its act together. I really think that the state, if you look at what has happened recently with JCP&L and Atlantic City Electric, really good outcomes, and I wouldn't say people are always looking for a little more here or there, but uh the process and the methodology that's been used has been consistent within the past there hasn't been any real um deviations and we don't expect there to be anything different with our case uh going in with a case that's not as big as some others have gone in with and and as we mentioned in the prepared remarks if you look at page 12 in the deck you know we've done really well by our customers over a time period that has seen a lot of inflation we're really not anticipating this to be a very contentious case.
spk08: Excellent. I personally appreciate that. Thanks. Thanks for taking the questions.
spk01: Thanks, Constantine.
spk05: The next question is from the line of David Arcara with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions.
spk06: Hey, David. Hey, thanks. Good morning. Hey, Ralph. Hey, Dan. How are you? Good, good. Ralph, I think in the past, you've thought that there could be some upside to the PGM load growth outlook in New Jersey. And we've obviously seen some of that get reflected in the latest load forecast. We've also seen some state initiatives pushing for AI and data centers. So I guess what are you seeing, you know, on the ground in terms of data center activity, any upside, you know, to latest load growth expectations?
spk01: Yeah, so a couple of pieces there, David. First of all, on the state level, we were very happy to see the PJM listened to our recommendations, and most importantly, to the state's policy. And so they've reflected both of those things in their latest forecast. That being said, PJM is a lot bigger than the state of New Jersey. And so we're hoping that PJM takes a look across its entire footprint and makes sure that the same methodologies are being used and a consistent methodology in all the states. States have different policies, so they may have different outcomes, electric vehicles being a great example. But how any of those loads are being looked at should be consistent, in our opinion, across the entire footprint of PJM. And then specifically in our backyard, we are starting to see some data centers pop up here. I'd say, you know, so far what we've seen is somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 to 100 megawatts. But those conversations are just starting. Again, if you think about what the state has been pushing from an economic development standpoint, there's a lot of AI activities. The governor is trying to entice some companies to move into the area. Once that happens, there might be some more opportunities for us. Our system is really well positioned. We've talked for years about the build that we did on the transmission side and the sub-transmission upgrades that we've been doing. It's driving some last mile investments for us, but that's also, again, consistent with what we've talked about with you all in the past.
spk04: David, just a reminder, we do have the conservation incentive program that's in place. And so what this matters more from our perspective, it's less about the particular road growth and the volumes that we would sell. It's much more about the infrastructure needs to have these folks be able to set up shop here in New Jersey.
spk01: Yeah, and the only – but think about it this way too, David. If Dan's putting in a data center and he's going to use 100 megawatts, that's 100 megawatts more to spread the cost over for all the customers. So it also creates more headroom for our residential customers. So all bits of it come together in a positive way.
spk06: Yeah, that's helpful. Got it. Thanks. And am I hearing you correctly that – I'm wondering about the potential T&D CapEx opportunity that could stem from this. So far, are you thinking it's kind of within the programs that you're that you're growing already. I'm wondering if there's potential incremental upside if this becomes a bigger driver.
spk01: Yeah, we would certainly, you know, signal that to you if we did. But I think what Dan and Carlotta and I have been saying wherever we've been going has been right now we've got our last mile investments that we need to make. And then if you look at our CapEx investments, Our charts, we have a few, a little bit of upside that's built into the high and the low, but there's nothing that I would say is incrementally driving us above those charts that we've provided in the past.
spk06: Yeah. Okay. Got it. Thanks. Then I was just wondering, as we think about affordability in the state, I was wondering if you could run through just the elements of rate headroom that you see looking forward, things that fall off of the rate plan. I'm thinking storms, ZECs, et cetera, just to put the rate case increase into perspective.
spk01: Yeah, David, I'm going to let Dan walk you through that because there's a lot of puts and takes that we've been taking people through. But, you know, start with page 12. and take it from there.
spk04: Ralph tees it up exactly right. I tend to not think about it as headroom, as available dollars. I just try to think about it as maintaining an affordable bill for the state of New Jersey. And if you take a look at page 12, it shows that we have done a very good job of doing exactly that over the last five years. And this is on a relative scale, but I think we've been able to manage the system very well at an affordable rate and also with the reliability that Ralph talked about in his prepared remarks and also the customer side that he talked about within those remarks. You do mention something that I think is important as well. If we take a look at the ZECs that will roll off in May of 2025, you'll see a couple hundred million dollars that will come off of PSEG customers and closer to 300 million across the state. So that is, I think, a benefit from an affordability perspective. to the extent that there's capital that's needed for the reliability of the system and some of the energy transition that can help in that regard. But we don't really think about it as headroom. We think about just trying to maintain as affordable a bill as we can while we're still providing quality service to customers.
spk06: Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Thanks, David.
spk05: Thank you. If you have a question, please press star and number one key on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Pleasure to see you with your question.
spk03: Hey, team. Good morning. Thanks for giving me time. Good morning. Good morning, Ralph. Just on the $3.1 billion energy efficiency filing, maybe can you just clarify, is that the spending, is that over a six-year period or is that from 25 to 27? That's part one. And then part two, when should we expect a decision from the commission on that?
spk04: Yeah, so great questions, Dr. Gesch. And it can be a little confusing because they do talk about the period as a triennial period. And so that 25 to 27, it's actually two and a half years, which is the reason for some of the extensions that you've seen and that we remarked upon earlier in our prepared remarks. Think about that three-year period as being the period during which you're going to get the commitments to actually have the work get done. But we have described for folks, and it's important given the magnitude of the numbers that it's understood that the actual spending to satisfy those commitments is going to be done closer to a five to six year period. So I think that's how to think about it. It is described as a triennium period, but that's more about getting the commitments. The spend will be over a little bit longer period. And the schedule that's in place right now is for us to move forward. We made that filing, if you recall, December 1st. We did that at the same time as all the utilities in the state. And you should see in the third quarter to fourth quarter, I think it's October of this year coming up, is the estimated date for us to get an outcome there.
spk03: Got it. And that process is separate and independent from the rate case, right, just to be clear?
spk04: Yep, that is correct. That is correct.
spk03: Okay, perfect. Thank you. And then can I just quickly follow up, Dan, just – latest thoughts and your discussions on the nuclear PTC and where do we stand on getting guidance in terms of timeline and what to expect there?
spk04: Yeah, we're still in a waiting game, Dagesh. I wish I had a different answer for you. Treasury, as we have spoken to them last, which is just a couple months ago, we made them aware, as we do every time that we can, that it's important for them to try to get the rules out sooner rather than later. But as we sit here today, They have not issued a date by which that they will provide that guidance. So we are just awaiting their answer. I don't have anything more specific. I wish I did.
spk03: Thank you very much. Excellent. Thanks, guys.
spk04: You got it.
spk05: Our next question comes from the line of Carly Davenport with Goldman Sachs. Let's just hear three questions.
spk02: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Good morning, Carly. Maybe just to quickly follow up on Durgash's question there, as we think about the interim before we get the PTC guidance, how should we think about the hedge program in the meantime? Should we expect to see any potential incremental 24 hedges or starting to layer in 25 hedges between now and then?
spk04: Yeah, Carly, so we provided some data with respect to where 2024 is, and we do have some hedges out for 25, obviously, at this juncture. I mean, it is a little bit more challenging when you don't know exactly how they're going to come out with that definition of gross receipts. And so what we've tried to do internally is just take a look at what some of the potential most logical outcomes could be and try to triangulate off of that to try to basically do exactly what we've always done, is try to minimize the overall risk inherent with that business. And so if under different scenarios you could see a moderation of risk by moderating our hedges a little bit, that's basically what we're going to try to do. Again, the objective being identical to where it has been in the past to minimize the overall risk. And if there's a little bit of a different hedge position we might want to put on to do that, that's what we would end up doing.
spk02: Got it. Okay. That's really helpful. And then maybe just as you think about managing O&M, can you just talk about some of the moving pieces we should be keeping in mind for 2024? I know that there might be some upward pressure from some of the nuclear outages that you have, but anything that you'd flag on O&M for 2024?
spk01: Yeah, no, there's nothing really. Just a reminder, though, for everyone, we really have that great outcome that we had with our union negotiations yesterday. where we have labor certainty, you know, starting last May and continuing where we had, you know, we negotiated a four-year deal with our unions at 4% increase, then 3%, 3%, and 3% in the subsequent year. So there's no surprises that we see on the horizon from that aspect. And there's a lot of talk certainly about fuel prices on the nuclear side. which we could give you any more about if you were interested, but it's such a small percentage of the overall O&M that we have that it's really, it doesn't become a material conversation for us at this point. So we, you know, we, We don't really see anything that's coming at us. There's always storms and there's other activities, but nothing that we specifically are concerned about.
spk04: And even just to follow on Ralph's comments for 24, the nuclear fuel comment, most of what we will incur for 2024 is what's in the reactor already. And so as we do step through time, you've seen some increment in those markets. But for 2024, you shouldn't expect anything very different.
spk02: Got it. Okay, great. Thanks so much for the time.
spk04: Thanks, Carly.
spk05: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ryan Levine with Citi. Pleased to see you with your questions. Good morning, everybody. Hey, Ryan.
spk07: One follow-up on nuclear. Should we expect that there's a plan in place on what you would do once you get the Treasury regulation around tax policy that you could roll out shortly thereafter, or is there a more delayed timeline in terms of response that we should look for?
spk01: Yeah, Ryan, I can't say enough about Dan and his team as far as how much they've done as far as looking at a bunch of different options right now. So I think we're very well positioned to act when we need to act, and they've been very thoughtful about that. But I'll give it to Dan to give you any more specifics. Yeah, I mean, I think Ralph –
spk04: said it, we've done a lot of work trying to understand where this could come out. I guess I would say the Treasury has given us the time to do that work by not having some guidance out as early as we might have liked. So in those situations, what you do is you try to think about where they may come out with guidance and to prepare yourself to be ready for any of those outcomes. And so that's what we've been doing. To the other part of your question, yeah, we would let you know what our response will be after it does come out. We're able to thoroughly read through everything and make sure that we understand all the nuances that may or may not be in what comes out. I hope when it does come out, it'll be a one and done instead of guidance that will have incremental guidance to follow. It would be great if it comes out in full form, but we will definitely share how we're approaching things once we know what the fundamentals are.
spk07: Great. And unrelated, I think you were touching on time of use rates as being important for the data center potential opportunity in New Jersey. Am I hearing that right, and is there any rate design mechanisms that are being discussed to maybe further attract that industry development in the state?
spk04: Yeah, so maybe a little bit less from a data center perspective, but certainly from a broader perspective, if you think about EVs, One of the things that we did touch on was that time of use rates is a topic that we would anticipate that we'd work through within this rate case. And I think in Ralph's prepared remarks, he talked about that being helpful to those that ultimately have EVs and could encourage some incremental adoption there. But that's more where you would find it in the rate case and less about data centers, more about electrification and EVs.
spk01: I think we're just really well positioned, Ryan, between the SIP that we've had in place for some time and where we are from a rate structure standpoint that Dan's comments are dead on. Thank you. Thanks, Ryan.
spk05: Thank you. If you have a question, please press the star and number one on your telephone keypad. There are no further questions at this time, and I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. La Rosa for closing comments.
spk01: Oh, great. Thanks. Hey, listen, this, uh, I take the fact that we've got, we only had five questions on his call, five folks asking questions that, um, at the end of the day, it was another uneventful call for us. And that is just really what we were hoping to put in place as we worked really hard as a team to close out our first 20, our first full year together. 2023 was a year of execution that came across from a number of different areas in our company, but it's all built on the base of a utility that's really uniquely positioned. It's provided affordable service for its customers, it's provided reliable service for its customers, and it's continued to deliver high-quality service based upon the results of all the polling that we do with our customers and J.D. Power just being one of those examples. And then you combine that with a nuclear fleet now that has continued to be more predictable, not only because of what we're seeing from the revenue side and the PTCs, but from an operating standpoint. You see in our deck we went from 92% capacity factor to 93% capacity factor this year, and we'll continue to improve on that. That's our expectation. We want to We want to continue to provide that great revenue from those plants that's going to provide us with the opportunity to continue to not issue equity, to not sell any assets, and continue the growth that we've had on the utility side. So we thank you for all the support that you've given us over 2023, and you can expect from us the same consistent and uneventful progress that we've made throughout this past year. So thanks and have a great day.
spk05: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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