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spk08: Welcome to the Progressive Corporation's fourth quarter investor event. The company will not make any detailed comments related to quarterly results in addition to those provided in its annual report on Form 10K and the letter to shareholders, which have been posted to the company's website. And we will use this event to respond to questions after a prepared presentation by the company. The event is available via a moderated conference call line and a live webcast with a brief delay. Webcast participants will be able to view the presentation slides live or download them from the webcast site. Participants on the phone can access the slides from the events pages at .progressive.com. In the event we encounter any technical difficulty with the webcast transmission, webcast participants can connect through the conference call line. The dial-in information and passcode are available on the events page at .progressive.com. Acting as a moderator for the event will be Julia Hornack. At this time I will turn the event over to Ms. Hornack.
spk04: Thank you Jason and good morning. Today we will begin with a presentation about Progressive's home business. Our presentation will be followed by Q&A with our CEO Trisha Griffith and our CFO John Sauerland. Our Chief Investment Officer Jonathan Bauer will also join us for Q&A by phone. This event is scheduled to last 90 minutes. As always discussions in this event may include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events and results to differ materially from those discussed during the event. Additional information concerning those risks and uncertainties is available on our 2019 annual report on Form 10K where you will find discussions of the risk factors affecting our businesses, safe harbor statements related to forward-looking statements and other discussions of the challenges we face. These documents can be found via the investors page of our website .progressive.com. It is now my pleasure to introduce our CEO Trisha Griffith. Good morning and welcome to Progressive's fourth quarter webcast. Well we wrapped up 2019 with another banner quarter and banner year. We're very excited to start 2020 and obviously you've seen January's results so we continue to be really excited about our opportunities around growth and profitability. As Julia said today is about property and so we're very excited to tell our story both where we've come from and where we're going. Before I get into that I've got three quick items. The first one, we heard you. Many of you asked for us to give the loss ratios associated with catastrophes and as you'll see in the January earnings we started to do that for each line coverage. So hopefully that will be more transparent for all of you to understand the effect of our underlying loss ratios in any given month with any given catastrophe especially in the more volatile line coverages like property. Second, as you likely read in the 10K, Progressive and the minority stakeholders of ARX decided to conclude the acquisition a year early so we're spending $242 million to acquire the remaining shares of ARX and we will close that if all things go well which we expect that to happen in April of 2020 versus 2021. It was funny I was talking to Dave Pratt right before this and he said he had so many emails from people at Progressive Home saying didn't this already happen? So this is really something where we've been dating forever, people assumed we were married, let's just get it done early and we're really excited to move forward and really execute on our plan. And then the third item which I'm sad about but happy for her and happy for Progressive is Julia Hornack has decided to take her talents down to St. Pete with Progressive Home. All of you have gotten to know her very well over the years, she is really our investor relations guru and she's filled a lot of your questions over the years and we're going to miss her but we're excited for her in her next stage of her career. She's been a controller, she's been a product manager and now she's moving on to work on specialty products, some vendor management and some process management. Again, we're sorry to lose her from here but so excited for Progressive. Congratulations Julia. Thanks Tricia. Thanks a lot and to all of our shareholders, portfolio managers and analysts, it's really been a pleasure getting to know you and to do my best to represent Progressive and the facts that we provide. In all of our public disclosures, it's been a pleasure serving our executive team, it's truly extraordinary and a wonderful partner, our wonderful partners and I'm really excited to take my talents to St. Pete hopefully. I'm sure I'll be back to Cleveland quite a bit to see my friends here but I look forward to making friends with all my extraordinary colleagues down in St. Petersburg so thank you. I imagine you will be very diligent of when you come to Cleveland versus when you stay in St. Peter. Yes. So I'll visit you in the winter. Exactly, exactly. Yep. Great. Let's get started. So we changed the vision statement last year and usually when you change a statement, two words, you know, it doesn't really make a difference. This really did make a difference and as we started to think about a new vision statement, we started to think about how many bundle customers we had and so home fit right in there but as we stepped back and thought about being consumers number one choice, we really thought about why don't we have the word agents in there and this actually came from Heather Day because our collective consumers go into agencies and we want the agents to think of us first in each of their agencies. In fact, 60% of our business when you look at commercial lines and personal lines come from the agency channel. I'm an agency customer myself. I wrote in one of the quarterly letters last year about how important this channel has been for us and especially going forward. So for us, this key word, this one change is really significant for our growth. In fact, recently I had the opportunity to do a fireside chat at the Big Eye with the CEO Bob Rustbold. The Big Eye is a national alliance of about a quarter million businesses that sell auto insurance products or insurance products I should say and I talked with his board which have representatives for each state and really I told them about how important they are to us and really wanted to solidify our relationship and know that we want to get inside the hearts and minds of all of our agents and invest in them and think about the future of our collective customers. So that word is very important. The home word made sense because we believe in a dual channel strategy. One of our pillars is to have broad coverage. So we want to be aware when and how customers want to shop for home insurance as well as auto insurance and others. So whether it's in the agency channel, through our progressive advantage agency or H2X, we want to be there. So the vision statement changes two words but pretty significant. I shared this chart with you last quarter really to talk about the return on equity and we looked at a 5, 10 and 20 year time frame with progressive compared to the S&P 500 and the S&P P&C index and we outpaced in all of those years both of those indices and we're really proud of that fact. What I also said was that under leverage capital we would return to shareholders either in stock repurchases or dividends and 2019 was no different. This was the first year of our new dividend policy and our board declared a variable dividend of $2.25 per common share which equated to over $1.3 billion returning to shareholders. In fact if you add in the four quarterly 10 cent per common share fixed dividends equated to over $1.5 billion we were returning to shareholders. And although we don't have comparisons I'm pretty proud, very proud to say that our return on equity for 2019 was over 31%. That is phenomenal. I'll obviously update you once we have more of the comparisons but we're very proud of this. So the question I would ask if I were an analyst or an investor would be given the recent struggle with profitability are you still glad that you had the Aerox transaction? A couple of words very easily. Yes, absolutely, unequivocally all those things. I'm going to give you a couple data points and then Heather and Dave will really talk about our plans and we're really excited about that. So first of all over the inception to date period we've grown 11% at a 96 combined ratio. So we've made money and we've grown. Do we want to grow more and have wider margins? Absolutely. But a key part of this acquisition was for us to have access to those preferred customers in the agency channel. In 2019 we believed that $750 million of our auto premium and the agency channel we would not have had but for having the partner home product to have that bundled preferred customer. We equate that to nearly $5 billion in lifetime earned premium, a well below our 96 combined ratio. So those are a few data points that say absolutely this was meant to be. On the more softer side which I think sometimes is lost when you have an acquisition is the culture and the people and being able to really run as fast as we can collectively together to gain market share. As you know I give credit to John Auer the former CEO of ASI or ARX I should say and Glenn Renwick the former CEO of Progressive of really starting that relationship. We had fits and starts along the way of buy, build, partner and nothing quite worked. And that relationship started. We started with a 5% interest and right away we saw that these companies were alike. In fact I always smile when I go down to St. Pete because in their first year of business they have a plaque on their wall that says we want to be the Progressive of Homeowners Insurance. And to me that just meant something it was almost a foreshadowing. In addition we knew that we wanted with this preferred customer base to be able to lengthen our auto PLEs and that has worked. We have comparison products we both built, Umbrella as an example, where we would say ARX's products is superior to ours. So we'll merge those together and have even a better product. I think more importantly and as of January Dave Pratt started reporting into Pat Callahan we're really starting to share resources R&D pricing to get that depth of segmentation in property like we have in auto. I do want to thank John Sauerland for getting us to the final acquisition because he really was working on that for these last couple of years and we're so excited to be able to wrap that up in April. But again the values, the people and the ability to really search for the great customers that we want and be able to achieve our ultimate vision is really exciting to us. I'm going to end by just talking about something that's probably the softer side as well but I think it's key to our culture. And that is a formula that I talked about in my annual letter to shareholders. The first part of the formula is question everything. I think when you have a high tenured company like Progressive, especially at the senior levels, sometimes you can be just surgically focused in growing. And my goodness we could have been doing that incredibly. But partly you have to step back and say why do we do this? Why do we invest in this? And question things that you said we may never do. A great example is create a homeowners company. After we, for lack of a better word, failed to do that a decade ago we said we would never be in the homeowners business. Well, never say never because things around us changed. And we knew we wanted to evolve as a preferred company and we needed to do that. And so this was perfect. So what I ask really everyone at Progressive to do, and my team does all the time, is we always question and have really incredible debates to make sure that we're always thinking as this environment changes so rapidly. The second part of the formula is being an always grown mindset. And I talk about this being sort of a double entendre. You know, for me it's everyone should care about their personal growth. I actually had an interview take place last week and the woman said to me, what do you do when you get bored? And I said, if I get bored, shame on me. Because there's so much out there to read, to listen to podcasts, to look at TED Talks, to be in outside events. And we really want all 40,000 plus progressive people to continue to be curious and think differently because a lot of the best ideas come from the grassroots effort. We think if we always grow, in turn the company will grow. And that's that double entendre. So question everything, always grow mindset equals an enduring business. And for us, this is going to be our legacy for all of our senior leaders, for the people who come after us. And that is our job to make sure we have an enduring business for decades and decades and decades to come. Speaking of an always growth mindset, let's talk about property, both growth and profitability. So we have two guests today, both of whom I think you've met. Dave Pratt, who is our property GM down in St. Pete, has been here for quite a while. His undergraduate degree from Duke is in electrical engineering. He has at Harvard MBA. He came to Progressive in 1991 as the product manager for New York. I can't go over his whole resume, but he's ran marketing, product development, and many, many products along the way. And we asked him to take over as the property GM right after Hurricane Irma in 2017. He's been down there since doing a fantastic job. He has a great story to tell. Before that, I'd like to introduce to you Heather Day. Heather has her bachelor's degree in economics from Miami. Her master's in international relations from USC. And if that wasn't enough for the always growth mindset, she got her MBA from Wharton. She also has an extensive resume, started as a product manager, has worked in recreational lines. She was our marketing leader for Snapshot. And most recently, our preferred marketing leader rolling out our platinum for agents, which she'll talk about a lot today. Most recently, a couple of years ago, she was part of that swap that we arranged, and she is the head of agency and sales distribution. So, Heather, why don't you tell us what you've been working on.
spk01: Thanks, Tricia. So, I will echo Tricia and reinforce that Progressive continues to invest in the independent agent channel. We recognize the value that agents provide to consumers that are looking for both product depth and local professional advice. So, our commitment to working with independent agents has been long standing, but it lines up well with recent market research and trends. The graph that you see on the left is from JD Power, and shows that over the last five years, independent agents have made steady gains in purchase satisfaction compared to captive agents, or exclusive agents as JD Power would call them. The satisfaction levels today are 20 points higher. And what they found when they were digging deeper was that it was the preference for flexible product offers that really drove the largest performance gap amongst these channels. And this is an area of flexible product offers is a place where independent agents thrive, based on their ability to place clients among several different brands, compared to a captive agent that simply lacks that flexibility. So, this change in purchase satisfaction correlates to market trends. There was a parallel shift in market share beginning in 2015-2016, a time when most major carriers were taking rate increases. Consumers started purchasing more in the independent agent and captive channels, where price comparisons could be made most easily. Direct carriers made gain in personalized market share, independent agent carriers held steady, while captive carriers gave up share. Now, Progressive has steadily grown our own share in the independent agent channel, and that's accelerating in recent years as we have added the home to the lineup. And if we look back at our recent growth, we were clearly well positioned heading into a hard market, and our overall agency results were boosted by our product segmentation and pricing. Progressive was steady. We were profitable and competitive during a period where many other carriers were taking larger rate increases. So, this provided an excellent opportunity to make headway on those auto and home bundles. The compelling auto position made the overall bundle more competitive, and the demonstrated commitment to property with the purchase of ARX in 2015, and then the subsequent launch of our platinum program, really gave our agents a reason to believe that they could partner with Progressive as a preferred bundle carrier. And indeed, as a share of our new business, bundles have grown fivefold over this period. Looking at our independent agent share across these two products, in private passenger auto, we have gained two market points each year in 2016, 2017, and 2018, which put us at a 20 point share in 2018. And then on the home side, Progressive has moved to the number six spot with three and a half percent of the market in 2018. Now, despite this strong market position, we continue to see upside, and the home product is key to that. Expansion of our addressable markets was really core to the destination air strategy, and I want to reinforce how critical that expansion is for our upside in agency. The table you see breaks down auto and home market premiums across channels by our market segments. So for a quick refresh on these market segments, you've got SAMs looking for auto insurance as needed, very price sensitive, they tend to be more non-standard. Your Diane's come to us with prior insurance, more financially responsible, but not homeowners. Right, these are homeowners that purchase home or auto insurance from us, but they do not bundle. And then finally, we have the Robinson's. These are typically the most preferred customers. They bundle home in auto, and they tend to look to agents for ease and confidence. So not surprisingly, due to our legacy as a model line auto carrier, we tend to over index on the SAMs, the Diane's and the Rites. And despite our steady growth in bundles, we still have just about 2% of the independent agent Robinson market. So this is lots of room to grow in a $59 billion market. And disruption in the captive market is putting more of that $97 billion of captive bundles in play as well. And while there is still lots of upside and work ahead of us, we are pleased with our results to We have continued our momentum in writing bundles with agents with 27% growth in 2019. Now part of that growth comes from the expansion of our platinum program, which at year end 2019 was at 3700 agents. However, platinum will continue to be exclusive going forward. It is available only to those agents that have strong potential to write preferred bundles and strong commitment to writing those bundles with progressive. So scarcity will remain part of the platinum appeal. And we currently have less than 10% of progressive agents that have platinum. So we're going to manage that number carefully as we go forward, with continued emphasis on profitable growth as key to an appointment. And we also see platinum working as it drives consideration of the home and auto bundle, and of our preferred auto more generally. So I'm going to reprise the graph that we shared during prior investor relations calls, updated here through 2019. This graph compares two cohorts of agents. One group and both of these agents, both of these groups of agents had progressive home back in 2015. One group was selected for platinum and the other remained in the more general progressive home program. And of course, if we go back to the start of 2015, the more productive agents were ultimately invited to join platinum. So there is that initial delta that we see. However, after the launch of platinum, that gap starts to widen. The momentum was initially slow as we integrated the sales teams and we looked for platinum program infrastructure to get built out. But what we're now seeing is that multiplier effect of various initiatives that are starting to come together. So maintaining that original cohort of agents so that we can actually compare the same store sales, what we see with the solid orange line for platinum versus the solid blue line for those non-platinum property agents is that platinum agents are now four and a half times more likely to bundle their home in auto. And then if I add preferred auto growth, these are the dashed lines that are now on the graph, you'll notice that both sets of agents have increased their preferred auto volume over time. However, once again, those platinum agents are again producing about four times more volume per agency. So the gap between these platinum and platinum lines is really that platinum difference. And what we see when we're looking back from 2019 is that this lift has held over time. And the platinum program itself is really about a comprehensive approach. So I'll speak a little bit more about partnering with agents, both in terms of enhanced compensation, as well as making it easy for them to write bundles and to leverage strong brands. And then I'll hand off to Dave, who will share how we are positioning property for long term success with a stable competitive offering. All of this comes together and builds our agents confidence in our ability to serve their customers. So on the compensation front, we recognize that we would have to think differently and increase compensation in order to offer a compelling alternative to preferred carriers in this space. We laid out what we call PASDA partnership. It allows us to compensate agents for their increased commitment while maintaining our overall low cost position. So as an example of how this works, I'd like to share the story of G&G independent insurance. This is an agency with a smart leadership team that I had opportunity to get to know last year. G&G joined Progressive in 2014. This was the same year that this agency opened their office in Fayetteville, Arkansas. And in the beginning, they wrote mostly non-standard auto with Progressive. And when we rolled out our national commission schedule as part of PASDA partnership, they started off in the growth tier. A tier that we provide agents with an opportunity that are getting started to really start growing their books with Progressive. However, G&G's overall agency strategy was more bundle focused and they had a lot of preferred customers. So they were able to earn higher commissions as they wrote more preferred auto with us. Our Progressive sales representative, Ben Burleson, developed a strong relationship with team at G&G. Ben recognized that this agency had a larger bundle opportunity and was a good fix for the platinum program. They moved to platinum by May of 2018, making them one of the first 12 platinum agents that we had in Arkansas. With this new level of partnership, G&G was at the investment tier, earning higher personal auto commissions, especially for that more preferred auto, unlocking the opportunity to earn some of our highest commissions available on the bundles they write. And they also gained access to annual policies and other marketing benefits. And because they had moved on to the platinum path, they were also eligible to earn a performance bonus that rewards profitable growth in bundles, as well as on their entire personal earnings book. G&G quickly moved up a level with platinum, earning higher renewal commission on their bundles and a cash award. And then by 2019, G&G was had progressive as their number two carrier within their offices, gaining share quickly. So the agency qualified for that platinum blue level, which earned it yet another cash award for reaching that goal in less than three years. In this May, we will celebrate G&G's platinum blue level achievement with a VIP trip. And they now have their sights set on becoming one of our platinum 25 agents. So G&G moved from being a largely non-standard book with progressive to becoming a platinum blue level partner with a preferred book, a bundled business and written premium that has grown tenfold. What this story highlights is an outstanding agency. But the themes here play out again and again across our agents. It really underscores the power of providing different levels of partnership with compensation that reflects their commitment, as well as transparent and clear goals. So these programs that we have in place now allow us to maintain our cost advantage as a broad distribution carrier, while still using targeted compensation to ensure that we encourage and that we recognize increased consideration with partner agents. So another part of the platinum promise is ease of use, which is really part of our core value proposition for agents. We have carried that over to the preferred bundled space through our portfolio quoting platform. Portfolio allows agents to select multiple products to quote, whether simultaneously or to add a product during the There is pre-fill available for customer, vehicle and property information across the products that are being quoted. In the portfolio summary page provides agents and their customers with an overview of their premium, their bundled savings and applied discounts. So agents can add or remove a product with the click, really speeding up that sales process. Portfolio was also a win for us as it was an early example of strong teamwork in deepening integration across our auto and property businesses. We launched portfolio in September of 2018 and at the end of last year, we were live in 27 states, representing 73% of quote volume, as well as almost 120,000 users. We are seeing the expected lift in our auto conversion. The lift in our property conversion actually is surpassing expectations, which seems to be a result of both better representation of discounts, as well as easier access to the property products through this new interface. And what I personally find most encouraging is that the upgrades to the underlying architecture of the platform really allowed us to better test and learn our way to continuous improvements as we respond to our agents evolving needs and their feedback. Now being a brand with a national presence that customers want or ask for is cited in our internal research as a top reason that agents look to Progressive to help grow their business. So we want to ensure that agents can leverage that brand for both their home and their bundle offerings. We know the power of the Progressive brand extends to homeowners. Research confirms readiness to consider purchase of a Progressive homeowners product, especially amongst those younger homeowners. And we find that featuring home as a message performs well. Our media spend has shifted to a greater emphasis on home as part of the overall message mix. That in turn drives increased consumer awareness of the Progressive home product, which makes the brand an even more powerful tool for our agents. So we're leveraging that Progressive brand in our Platinum agent marketing collateral, making it easier for them to showcase both breadth of product with our co-branded materials across print, digital, as well as mass media. And when we look at the overall program, Platinum is emerging as a driver for future commitment. So in a blind survey that was administered by a third party, agents indicated that Progressive is one of the companies where they place their best customers 72% of the time. But when we cut that data to focus in on agents that have access to our home product, that response jumped by 10 points. Now we have room to improve. We are still coming up short against two of the largest, long-standing preferred carriers in the market. But when we look at this from another angle and we ask agents where they are planning to increase business, Progressive outperforms even when compared to those long-standing preferred carriers. And once again, there is a stronger result with agents that have our home product coming in at almost 80% intent to increase placement. So we feel good about these early years out, but we continue to learn and to look for opportunities to improve. Listening to our agents to understand their expectations and their customers' needs is critical. We do so through our agency council and in ongoing conversations with partner agents across the country. Guidance from our agencies also informs the deepening conversations across the home and the auto product teams as we evolve the bundle offering and our property product. And I'll hand off to Dave to share more on that front.
spk07: Dave Good morning. I'll begin with a very brief overview of our financial results and then dive into some of the details. Our growth is meeting our expectations. You see last year our direct written premium and property grew to just over $2 billion and we're leveraging not only the Platinum Agency program that Heather just described, but Progressive's brand and marketing strengths in a direct channel. The combined ratio improved by about four points last year, but is still not meeting our goals and we'll talk in a lot more detail about that. If I start with growth, I'm showing here growth in our new business sales over the last three years. The blue bar at the bottom is sales from local independent agents. And all of the growth that you see there is coming from bundles, from auto and home bundles that we're writing largely through the Platinum program. The orange bar is our direct to consumer business. That's pretty new to ARX and so we're seeing very high percentage growth in the direct channel. We've almost completed the conversion from the ASI brand to Progressive Home. So those of you who insure your home with Progressive on your most recent deck page you saw the Progressive logo. We've made investments in the quoting channels. So the portfolio program for agents that Heather described is now at 29 states. On the direct side, we're part of the home quote explorer quoting platform and we've actually built the capability to go all the way from quote to buy the policy without having to talk to an agent in 14 states as of the end of the year. And we'll continue to roll out both of those platforms in 2020. And then the light blue bar at the top, mostly in 2018, was a fairly large book roll. So one of Progressive's partners in the Progressive Advantage agency decided to opt out of that program. We worked with them to roll that book over to Progressive Home. So when you combine all of those sources of growth, we had 61% growth in 2018. Looking at 2019, without that book roll in the denominator, it looks like our new sales are pretty flat, but we continue to have strong underlying growth in both agency and the direct to consumer channel. Now as we grow outside of ASI's original state, the mix of our business is shifting. So ASI was founded as a Florida property insurer, expanded fairly quickly into the other Gulf states. So if you go back to 2006 here, Florida was about 80% of ASI's business and Texas and Louisiana made up the rest. And the light blue part of this graph is all other states. So the expansion into the rest of the country has come to the point where Florida now only counts for about 20% of our exposures, and those expansion states now are more than half. Now that expansion also means that we are now exposed in a bigger way to new perils, especially wind and hail. If you look at the components of our loss ratio over the last few years, the orange part of these bars is wind and hail. The gray part at the top is hurricane losses, and then the blue part at the bottom is all other perils that the property policy covers. So you see that that all other perils section has been stable and predictable. We've been very close to our pricing expectations on the all other perils section. Wind and hail though has gone from 10 to 15% of premium to more than 30% last year. So really getting our hands around what our expectations should be for wind and hail costs and pricing appropriately is an important part of meeting our profit goals. Now I'll talk in more detail later about our reinsurance program, but I just thought I'd highlight here how that results in differences between our direct and net results. So the lower line here shows the direct combined ratio for ASI and now Progressive Home over the years. The blue line at the top is the net result. So in the early years, ASI was feeding a lot of premium to our reinsurance partners. We didn't have any hurricanes making landfall in those years, so we weren't feeding any losses. And so our net loss or net combined ratio was higher than the direct. In the last few years, the reinsurance program has been working as intended. In years where we've had some big hurricane losses with hurricanes and Michael, the reinsurance has kept the combined ratio near 100. Now it's worth noting that even in these recent years where we haven't been satisfied with our results, we've been consistent with the industry. So the chart here, the blue line shows our direct loss ratio each year. The gray line shows the industry, but with the industry premium, state premium weighted based on the ASI and Progressive Home mix. So in the early years there, you see with mostly Florida premium and no hurricanes, very low loss ratios. As we've expanded into other states, we should expect to see the loss ratio be higher than a no storm year in Florida, but we've still been at or a little bit below the industry result. So let me talk for a minute about what we did last year to improve profitability and then we'll transition to our plans for this year and beyond. On the map here, the blue states are called the hail states. And so the chart on the right shows our rate increases last year. So in those hail states, we took rates up almost 9% compared to just 4% in the rest of the country. And then we also implemented some coverage changes. So the states that have the stars on them, we did two things. We started to require new customers to buy higher wind and hail deductibles. And the issue there is that when fairly small hail falls on a new or well maintained roof, it really shouldn't do any damage. But that doesn't prevent roofers from aggressively marketing to our customers, suggesting that the clear that if a customer's roof is damaged, we want them to report that claim and we want to pay it as quickly as possible so we can help the customer get the repair made. But we have found that in cases where the customer's deductible is a little higher, they're less likely to submit a claim when there's no visible damage in response to the marketing pitch from the roofer. The other change we've made is that for roofs where the shingles are nearing the end of their useful life, we're requiring actual cash value coverage for the roof. That same fairly small hail, if it hits a shingle that's been out in the sun for 15 or 20 years, is much more likely to crack that shingle and then that needs to be repaired or replaced. But it just doesn't make sense for us to offer full replacement cost coverage for a maintenance item on something that needs to be replaced soon. And so as the roof reaches sort of near the end of its life, we're asking people to have actual cash value coverage. And we see evidence that both of those changes will bring the loss ratio down and mitigate the need for further rate increases. Now despite those actions, in the blue states last year, we ran at 115 combined ratio compared to an 89.5 combined ratio in the rest of the country. So I think an actual question would be well how can you feel confident that you have addressed this problem and you can make money consistently throughout the country? So let me talk a little bit about the tools that we use to price for these perils. Because weather is very volatile, we can't use last year's experience as a good predictor for next year's claims. It wouldn't make any sense to say hey we haven't had a hurricane for three years so we don't have to price anything for hurricane. We have pretty good models for to help us understand what our likely hurricane losses will be. Until recently we only had two models available to predict severe convective storms. So those are the big thunderstorms that cause wind and hail. And I'm showing here the modeled prediction for what our annual average loss should be from wind and hail from those models over a five-year period. Here's what our actual losses look like. So the models were just not doing a good job of helping us predict what we should expect in terms of claims from wind and hail. Now fortunately there's a new model that has become available in the last couple years and as we back test that against our book of business, we feel much more comfortable that that model is going to do a good job of helping us to predict what our future loss costs will be. So model C here in the orange shows the model's prediction of what our losses would have been compared to that light blue bar which is the average the actual that we paid. So we're now using that new model in our pricing decisions for wind and hail and we so we feel much more comfortable that we will be priced accurately going forward. Now we also want to continue to grow this business while we work to improve the profitability. And so we are in the process of rolling out what we're calling the 4.0 version of our property product. As we've grown outside of the Gulf States we're collecting a lot more data in the rest of the country and we've been able to collaborate with Progressive's auto product R&D team in Cleveland to use their most sophisticated tools to help us get the price segmentation where it needs to be. Heather mentioned the feedback we've gotten from our platinum agents that's been very helpful as well. So we've been able to expand eligibility in some cases our underwriting appetite was much more restrictive than their other preferred markets. We've removed some exclusions from the contract that were unusual in the market and we've broadened coverage through new endorsements. And so this gives me the excuse to put the picture of the German Shepherd puppy here because we used to have a fairly long list of dog breeds that were ineligible and as we studied further we were able to pair that back so this little guy would now be eligible for insurance with Progressive Home. Let me talk for a minute about our reinsurance program. We maintain a very conservative reinsurance program and intend to continue that. On the catastrophe side it's designed to provide coverage for three major hurricanes in a single year. So on the far left you see the coverage available for a first event in Florida. So the way the program is structured today we retain the first 60 million dollars of losses from a single event. The gray part in the middle there is the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund. That's a state reinsurance fund that we're required to participate in and do. And then the blue section is voluntary market reinsurance that we buy. And then finally at the top we have a catastrophe bond so insurance linked security. Altogether we have coverage for an event of almost 1.8 billion dollars in losses. Now most of the blue section is reinstated automatically. So if there's a big claim we get a reinstatement and so the middle bar there shows what our coverage would look like after a billion dollar event. We would still have about 1.34 billion dollars in coverage. And then we would even have if there's a second a 700 million dollar event as a second event we would have remaining 640 million in coverage for a third event. And to put that in context Hurricane Irma is the most expensive storm we've ever encountered and our estimate of ultimate losses from Irma is less than 400 million dollars. So we feel good about the structure of the catastrophe program. As the business continues to grow we expect to increase our retention at the bottom slowly and we expect to buy even more limit at the top of program. Now we also have an aggregate reinsurance program. That's to cover the volatility in wind and hail that I described earlier. So no individual hail storm is likely to reach that 60 million retention but if we have a year with a lot of hail storms that could put pressure on our loss ratio. In previous years we had a program that was based on a loss ratio attachment. So if our loss ratio reached the attachment point we got a recovery from the reinsurance. We switched that this year to an aggregate catastrophe excessive loss program. So in this year's program we retain the first 375 million dollars of catastrophe losses and then we have coverage for up to 200 million above that. So if we have a really bad wind and hail year with lots of activity that aggregate program would kick in and we'd have a recovery. Now it's important to note that that change may result in a change to the monthly volatility that you see in our property results. So what we're showing here the blue line shows the property combined ratio that Progressive reported each month in 2019. The orange line shows what we would have reported if we didn't have that loss ratio based aggregate reinsurance. So you see in January there was a very light weather month the combined ratio was below 80 so there's no need for aggregate recovery. In February it was a busier weather month the combined ratio approached 120 but we hadn't yet hit that -to-date attachment point for the reinsurance. That changed in March so March was again a busy weather month but now we had a recovery on the reinsurance and so our reported combined ratio in March was about 100. And then each month through the rest of the year the recovery would go up or down based on the weather. So you see in April relatively quiet we actually reversed some of that recovery but then in May and June busier months. So again we the recovery we had on the reinsurance increased but our reported combined ratio was pretty stable. With this year's program we won't have a recovery on that aggregate unless we get to $375 million in total catastrophe losses. So in the early months of the year if we have a month where there's a lot of weather we'll report a higher combined ratio but we expect the reinsurance to be available if needed if the full year results are difficult. So let me end with just a very brief description of our priorities for the property business for the year. Job number one is improving profitability we've talked a lot about that. The second is a focus on our people and culture. Because of the fast growth in this business over the last three years we've gone from less than 600 people working in the property business to more than 1200 people. So it's really important that we spend a lot of effort on coaching and career development so that those people are effective in their jobs enjoy their jobs and want to stay with Progressive for a long time. We have opportunities to improve processes as we grow to become more efficient and reduce cost per policy. I don't know if you noticed but on the first page our expense ratio was down by more than two points in 2019 and we see some further opportunity for efficiency gains. We want to continue to make it easy for agents and customers to quote and buy our policies and the investments in portfolio quoting and home quote explorer buy are key there. And then finally we want to work to improve the customer experience and the focus here is on those bundled customers. So there are instances today where for example the billing experience is different on your auto policy compared to your home policy and we want to align those experiences so that the bundled customer has the same experience across all of our products and we think that'll result in even better customer retention and we'll keep those bundled customers for a long time. So with that we'll pause just briefly and we'll give Tricia and John an opportunity to come up for questions. Thank you.
spk04: Thanks Dave. If you are a webcast participant you may ask a question by pressing ask a question in the upper right corner of your browser window. If you are a telephone participant you may press star one on your telephone you may press pound to withdraw your question. After pressing star one please be advised it will be momentarily blocked from hearing the live call. Additionally there will be a brief lag between the telephone audio and the webcast audio so if you're participating through both mediums please mute the webcast audio while asking your question. To allow us to respond to as many questions as possible you will be limited to one question and one follow-up question per request. To the extent you have additional questions you will need to place your name back in the queue by selecting star one on your telephone. And before I kick it over to Jason to take our first question from the conference call line there's been a lot of discussion in the property casualty industry about the effects of this concept of social inflation and so Tricia and John I thought you might want to start off by talking about how that concept of social inflation can affect particularly bodily injuries, severity and and tip trends. Okay great I'll take a stab at that on both the personal auto side and commercial line side and then John if you can weigh in on anything I forgot or anything that that's important to note and then why don't I have Gary Trachoff our chief actuary I'll come up and talk about the reserve part of it because I think that's a really important part. So first and foremost in the personal auto side frequency is down about three percent and if you compare it to the last data point we have for the competition it's down lower because it's flattening out it's about zero for the competition in quarter three. That is the 12th consecutive quarter that our frequency has been down. Again we talk about trying to attribute certain things to frequency it's really difficult. We would say that you know our mixed shift to more preferred customers seems to be a part of it but again it's really hard to attribute any one particular thing we'll watch that very closely. On the severity side we're about a point different from the industry at this juncture the typical reasons in collision and property damage component parts actually labor rates have been increasing and total losses we're having more frequent total losses so those are continuing the talked about for several quarters. On the BI severity part which we take more seriously because they have slightly longer tails and I talk a lot internally about injuries are not like fine line they do not get better with age so we really try to make sure we have the right file at the right rep at the right time. So here's what I would say at this point we see the BI trends flattening out somewhat at this point in time again this is changing and if you're talking to our competition I think we're all watching this very closely so it is flattening out but our BI trends are up and if you compare our incurred trend to the paid of the industry we're about a point and a half difference which we would assess to actuarial increases so reserve increases. We're seeing the same aggressiveness when you think about the social inflation buzzword that Julia talked about we're seeing aggressive attorneys we're seeing aggressive attorneys early on in the files and so that's really an important piece we call it like day zero before or right after we get the claim reported. We see attorney rep rate up about two percent year over year on the personal auto side and we're looking at different cohorts of coverage limits and we're seeing about mid single digits in every cohort and they're slightly different depending on that it's to think of 5100, 2550 etc. And this is an anecdotal piece but some of our CRM reps have said that they are getting calls from someone other than the names insured to assess what the limits are and I remember being at a claims ranch for 15 years and getting those calls oftentimes they were from plaintiff attorneys again this is anecdotal but am I going to take am I more anxious to take a file that's a 5100 than a 2550 file so again those are just some things that are anecdotal. A new piece of information that we have from a vendor that we work with shows that attorney media spend is up 10 percent when you compare the fourth quarter of 2019 to the fourth quarter of 2018. Again I could have anecdotally told you that from my travels and you turn on the tv in any state you go to any city you go to look at billboards so we think that that's getting more aggressive so we have to watch that really carefully. I assume that many of you will ask because I had referenced a handful of states a couple of quarters ago that were watching closely so there's about five states that we've been watching from BI severity trend. Four out of five of those have shown a decline in severity in the fourth quarter compared to full year of 2019 but again three out of five of those states are still higher than countrywide so we're watching it closely right now it appears to be flattening but again that can change at any given time. You know we are very surgical in pricing each line coverage each state channel product all those things so we'll keep on top of that clearly our margins we believe are really strong and we believe we're conservative from the reserving side. So on the commercial side we are down four percent from a frequency perspective up about 19 percent from a severity perspective and about a couple of those points are reserve increases actuarial strengthening. Here's what I would step back in and say one thing every BMC in our commercial lines organization was at or below our target so very successful 2019 and into January we were sub 90 combined ratios so we are very strong on the commercial side. We also are no stranger to being able to react to trends so if you recall in 2016 we bumped up against our 96 and we immediately we knew part of that was commercial we immediately increased rates knowing it takes a little bit longer because the majority of those policies are annual. Still continue to take rate in 2017 and 2018. 2019 we saw the competition was also taking rate during those time frames but in the first half that started to diminish a little bit. It's picked up at the latter half of 2019 I would say for progressive we took less than a point one and a half percent rate increase in 2019. We will likely be a little bit more aggressive in 2020 as we see specific states and loss trends increase and you know part of our in terms of the 17 or 19 BITrend part of that too we are having a mixed shift to our for higher transportation which are higher severity so it's one other piece. When I talk to John Barbagallo he sees three states very specifically where we see loss trends accelerating and so we either already have filed or in place rate increases and in addition to that we have three states those same three states we have multiple variations of underwriting restrictions. So as an example we have a 9.6 percent rate increase going in May in California. We'll watch those closely and again when we think of you know growth and profitability if you have to make a choice which we never want to it's always going to be profit. So one I feel really really great about our solid results in commercial especially compared to the industry we will get on anything we don't see quickly and make sure that we meet our profit targets. Do you want to add anything?
spk09: If we're going to ask Gary to come on talk about reserves I'll fill in while he makes his way with two thoughts. So one it's important to take a little step back when you're thinking about trends frequency and severity and look at the longer term trends. We think in aggregate our severity trends are normally very consistent with the industry and frequency trends we actually have been enjoying bigger drops in frequency more recently over the past three years actually than the competition. Tricia mentioned some of that is due to writing more preferred mix of business. I would offer we also believe that is due to more robust underwriting we've put in our upfront process in binding new business. We think that's a lot of great outcomes in terms of avoiding risks whose intent is not to insure but to defraud. So longer term severity sort of where the industry is frequency better than the industry is and I would also offer where Tricia was mentioning on the commercial side matching price to risk we are also very agile in the personal line side and will certainly continue to make sure we are matching prices that we perceive should rise and at least on the liability side due to the trends with risk as fast we can.
spk04: Gary?
spk03: Great well I think this is Gary Krakoff Chief Actuary hello everybody. Tricia and John gave a great overview and description with respect to reserves as you know we developed unfavorably last year about 232 million dollars which was six tenths of a point on the combined ratio and that development was primarily related to the increasing injury severity trends that we were seeing and led to unfavorable case development. We recognized that early in 2019 and over the course of the last three quarters we increased reserves from actual real changes roughly about 60 million dollars so we ended up growing up about 186 million dollars during 2019 and in addition to that our claims adjusters continue to strengthen reserves through natural movements as well. So when we look at it overall with the changes that we took we now on an accident year basis are up about 12 percent for commercial auto year over year and six percent for personal auto that would be loss and LAE for liability which you probably noted in the annual report. Of course LAE is a little bit flatter so on an indemnity side we're a little bit north of that and when we think about how development is occurring recently last year over the last two quarters we did develop slightly unfavorably about 20 million dollars so of that 230 million that we saw come through 210 of it was in the first half of the year and a much smaller amount during the second half of the year. In January we ended up developing unfavorably about 78 million dollars which was a little over two points on the combined ratio. In January though the development was really related to some other areas. We primarily developed unfavorably due to December claims that were reported in January. When we look at our injury case reserve development between personal and commercial auto combined we actually developed slightly favorably in January. Now that's just one month so it's hard to say that you know how the future will go and I definitely can't predict how we see development and for the year the changes that we take during the year but as you know as the year plays out primarily the development we see on the injury case reserves are a main driver of what we end up seeing.
spk04: Great thanks Gary.
spk03: Okay thank you.
spk04: Great so Jason now can you please take the first question from the conference call line?
spk08: Certainly your first question comes from the line of Mike Sieremsky from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
spk10: Thank you for all the details. My first question is on any potential impact from the current situation with the coronavirus. The New York Times has come out and said that they're seeing just recently ad spend fall fairly materially across the average by basically 25 percent. I'm curious if you know you think progressive should in the near term or is part of that and also are you seeing any impact maybe from your telemedics drivers on lower frequencies if people are maybe working from home?
spk04: Thanks. Mike that's a great question so I'll start with the ad spend. You know right now we're going to continue to spend this is a prime time of the year when people are buying insurance for getting into that season so we'll continue to spend that we have some flexibility in but again whether you drive a little bit or a lot you still are required to have auto insurance and so our intentions will be to spend as long as we feel sufficient so again we'll have to be nimble because all of this as you know is ever changing. The great question on the UBI so with the recent deaths in Washington we asked the UBI team just to take a look at UBI vehicle miles driven or traveled by week in January and February this year compared to the prior two years and we are not quite seeing a difference and again that's very little data but that tells us we haven't seen it yet. Again now that we'll look at it weekly we can start to see we'll look at it across the country where we can so we'll be able to understand pretty quickly. If you go back to something like the financial crisis I was running claims at the time and we saw frequency drop really quickly and so we'll have some good insight we get our frequency data on a daily basis so we'll understand very quickly where we're at. From a vendor perspective you know we always think of the concerns around auto parts that are you know possibly made in China so we got to talk to our property process team talk to all of our OE vendors the percentage of OE that we use on our vehicles the percentage they get from China etc. For the most part with the exception of one OE we feel like there's low risk at this time and even with that partner they have an inventory. Again it's always those like first and second order effects so it could be that more cars are you know we're going to keep watching that. From an internal perspective you know we already have over 25 percent of our people working from home. We have had many team meetings we're having a tabletop pandemic exercise tomorrow I believe and then our chief HR leader Laura Neters had a meeting yesterday with our chief medical officer talking about the the same things that most companies are talking about in terms of non-essential travel and what to do if you're coming from a country that's been affected. So right now we aren't seeing any effect but again this is such a moving target that we have a lot of data points that we're going to be looking at literally on a daily basis to understand how it affects possibly our frequency.
spk10: Okay great and lastly just to follow up to the comments at the end of the call of the prepared remarks I believe you said that you know January's reserve government was was worse than expected it was fairly material and are you saying that that was mostly due to December claims that maybe people just didn't make due to the holidays and then you said in January ex-dat was was actually favorable and so this implies that just last year's ratio was was worse and that forward-looking basis you know things looked a little bit better.
spk04: Yeah Gary talked about that but yeah partly was the December loss as late reported and
spk03: yeah sure great question so in January we were about of the 78 million pretty much all of that really related to December claims that were reported in January and we look at it throughout the year right so when we look at January claims that come in in February or February claims that come in in March etc some months were high some months were low it's really noticeable in the first month because it's prior year coming in if we excluded that those late reports that came through our development pretty much was was right at zero in addition to that if we looked at just injury case reserves which was the primary driver of the unfavorable development last year we actually were slightly very close but slightly favorable in January so those claims as they paid out came in a little bit below the initial reserves we had set again not an indicator that that's how the year ends up but that's what we had in January.
spk04: Well Gary over the years you've shown us that that one data point in January how it evolves is very different in every year you show the comparison of three or four years and so what I would say Mike is one data point strengthen it we have sort of you know oftentimes the December late reports but I would say we are all over this and feel good about where we're at of course we'll react quickly should we need to strengthen.
spk09: I could put it in perhaps simpler terms and combined ratio points so simply because returning the page what Gary was saying we're going to see some losses we categorize as prior year every January we had 2.2 points of prior year losses in January this year last year we started out the year with 4.8 points that was a lot higher than we've normally seen but as Tricia was mentioning generally speaking in January you're going to see some prior year development and the 2.2 doesn't concern us at all. Thank you.
spk04: Okay great again maybe possibly Jason we'll take the next caller from the conference call line please.
spk08: Your next question comes from the line of Elise Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
spk02: Hi yes I was hoping Tricia you could provide a little bit more info on your outlook on the personal auto rating environment it sounds like from some of your introductory comments that you continue probably to expect on you know pretty modest weight movements I guess throughout the majority of your book for 2020 but has anything changed or maybe in some specific space where you're taking a little bit more rate?
spk04: Great question Elise we'll continue to look at that and as it evolves it's really hard to kind of have that crystal ball so you know we last year and mostly industry most some took some overarching rate decreases people were taking a little bit of decreases people want to start to grow a little bit we're seeing less of that the industry is getting closer to one percent at this juncture we are very surgical in each stage like we study each channel each product and we'll react to that as necessary we feel really good where we're at in terms of our profit margin but I talked to Pat Callahan our personal lines leader all the time on specific states and what we need to do to strengthen it again we don't want to get behind it's really important for us to have stable rates for our consumers and so we're going to take that one or two percent to make sure we reach our target margins but we feel really good specifically on the direct side of the new business coming in we have you know new business targets as well and we feel really good about at this juncture again I feel like we're really nimble when we need to be should we need right but we feel good at this point and again point here point there depending on what we're seeing in specific states
spk02: okay and then my second question could you just provide an update on you know on the small commercial side of things you guys were kind of you know rolling out some products you know in one state right and then the expectation was to maybe expand into more states can you just provide an update on where those initiatives stand today and then how that's how you're thinking about additional steps and rollout throughout the rest of 2020
spk04: absolutely so we mid-2019 we rolled out ohio like literally small five agents trying to figure out was a product ease of use etc got the thumbs up got some feedback on pricing rolled out to ohio in three more states in 2019 since then we've rolled out two additional states in january two more in february we expect to roll out two more in march and so total for 2020 should be in 15 states we've got 2000 agents filling that small business and we are really excited about the momentum and so this is something you know as we thought about the three horizons you think about investing before you need to and you know to make sure you have that enduring business we started thinking about this a couple of years ago and we were really excited actually about small business both on the agency side and through our business quote explorer and we'll have the progressive product hopefully on that explorer on the business floor explorer sometime in 2020 we have many different unaffiliated carriers partners that we work with and we continue to be able to give the small business owners what they need so i would say the one word about small business would be momentum i feel really good about where we are and actually really good about where we are with a lot of the topics that john barbara gallo and karen bailo went over a couple of quarters ago we rolled out our small fleet program to 49 states and the conversion has increased fourfold you know we obviously our relationship with both uber and lift and the tnc has increased so we're excited about that just look across the board i feel great our smart hall program is showing great conversion our great take rate i should say so this that's our ubi in commercial and in fact on the agency side where the customer is eligible the take rate is 25 percent so i would say commercials firing on all cylinders small business and and everywhere jupre
spk09: yeah absolutely and i share that excitement just for clarification for all viewers when we're business owners policies and general liability so as shirshir mentioned we got into four states in 2019 we've elevated two a year to date and we expect to actually add about 15 states for this year so ending the year maybe around a little over 20 states and again this is intended to vastly broaden our addressable market for commercial lines we've been number one in commercial auto for a number of years now and this opens up a marketplace that is probably two perhaps even three times the size of commercial auto force so very excited about that growth as well as the plethora of other great things we have going on in commercial lines
spk04: yeah when you think about bundle customer with bop and gl and then you think across our channels as well there are many small business owners that actually also have our auto in home so as we think about that we really think about the household economics going forward that's really what's exciting as well thanks elise
spk08: your next question comes from the line of michael phillips from morgan stanley your line is open
spk06: thank you good morning i guess a bit of a continuation from that last question in a different angle a lot of large part of your earlier comments on the slide presentation this morning was on the agency channel and you know that's where the robins live so with the focus there because of that can you talk about any maybe incremental help that that does more focus on the agency channel that that helps you with your commercial lines offerings
spk04: yeah so you know many commercial whether small business or commercial auto actually go through the agency channel it's a little bit more of a complicated product so that's actually a much higher percentage than would go on the direct side although we believe at some point we want broad coverage or actually now we want broad coverage for everything so i believe you know as i talk to agents there are there's some agents that are only personal lines some are more commercial there's but there's many especially large agencies we work with that are both and for them to have access to all the products they need for that customer whether they're they have a small business and their auto and home is really a great umbrella for all of them to serve their customers and that's what they want to be able to do and so i think it's really important important in the agency channel because it is still a little bit more complicated if you think of a person who's opening their first business they want to make sure they're protected they want to be educated that is nicely done through the agents so you know we're we're very bullish on that as well
spk06: okay great thanks and then i guess back to frequency on the first model side how did that vary by i guess age of car and model year and maybe the reason to think about that is is there a continuation of continued frequency to the extent that it's maybe more of the recent car years versus the prior ones
spk04: well we can't really assess that based on we look at it mostly based on customers so from a preferred to a non-standard who are more likely to have access or we look at in terms of the demographics of are you a mature driver or you just learning to drive so that's how we look at frequency rather than types of car and you know what i said is it's really hard to attribute a very specific leader frequency but we do believe a piece of it is more of our preferred customer who likely have less access
spk09: yeah and you know as Trisha was saying diagnosing exactly where the frequency is driven meaning by the driver the vehicle the environment all that it is very difficult that said you know if you're focusing on model year vehicles certainly newer model years are driven more miles than older vehicles and we've been growing a lot and we've actually been increasing our share of those newer models as we write more and more preferred business so the fact that our frequency is down in the same time period of the trend that i just described there makes us pretty confident that you know we're writing the right preferred business
spk08: your next question comes from the line of ron knarr from goldman sax your line is open
spk12: good morning everybody my first question now goes to the partnership with the ride sharing companies is it fair to think of the the incentive is not necessarily fully aligned namely the ride sharing companies i would think are very focused on growth would probably be interested in settling claims as quickly as possible maybe not necessarily pushing back as much when you guys may think it is necessary and if it is if that line of thinking is correct i guess how do you how do you manage that risk for that misalignment of incentives
spk04: yes so we actually that hasn't been an issue we fully handle the claims they're completely done in house and the great part about progressive that i've always felt especially having my upbringing claims is we really have never even differentiated between an insurance claimant every customer is a you know every consumer's possible customer etc and so we settle fair and accurately so we don't get pushed back from them i haven't heard anything about that what they want is somebody out there getting their their driver's car back on the road so they can make a living and if there's making sure we're fair and subtle though so we haven't had that issue i think they look for partners that have a world-renowned claims organization like we do we have feet on the street because we have local presence and so it's really worked for both uber and lift and all the feedback has been that we do a really great job in that so that's that's how i see it in terms of you know they want they want to have the claims handled by somebody who who has a history of doing the right thing from an endemic perspective and that are also cost conscious conscious from an le perspective
spk09: and from a financial perspective i'll point out that in both of our ride sharing relationships there's quarter share agreement so in both of those cases those companies have captive reinsurers that are part of their organization and we are seeding freeman's losses so they are sharing in the financial results that we're experiencing with all their drivers
spk12: okay and then my second question just goes to bodily injury severity in broader terms so can you maybe talk about what accident years you saw the increase in bodily severity coming from both in personal lines and in commercial?
spk04: If I have to help me on this I would say if I did guess while he's looking it up or you can more like 2017-18 where we're starting to see it develop I can't say for certain without looking that up but again those trends do develop develop a little bit more over time and I know that off the top of my head that's what I would say
spk09: of the 232 million of prior year development approximately 131 million was from 2018 73 million from 2017 and the remainder from 2016 and prior we detail all that in our report
spk04: I was like I know I've read that so I'm going to guess and luckily I was right
spk09: okay
spk12: and those ratios are relatively the distribution between those accident years is similar in commercial lines and personal lines
spk09: I think it's safe to assume that I actually don't have those numbers to quote for you but generally speaking older accident years have already developed previously and for the by large part they're settled so we also provide in the annual report loss triangles where you can see where we picked if you will the loss reserves at the end of the respective year and how that develops over time you can also see the percent of those claims that have been paid and obviously on physical damage claims those get paid very quickly on a bottle injury you can see that development but especially on the personal side those bottle injury claims well certainly take longer to settle than fixing a car they develop fairly rapidly commercial lines a little longer but you can see all that in the end report and it's safe to assume that prior year development is predominantly from the most recent year
spk12: thank
spk09: you
spk08: your next question comes from the line of gary ransom from dowling and partners your line is open
spk11: yes good morning you mentioned briefly during the presentation about the direct side of the homeowner's business can you talk a little bit more about why that's growing more rapidly what kind of customers whether it's bundled customers that are coming in on that side as well or any other comments you might have on the direct growth
spk04: and so we've grown i think i've talked previously and we're going to have one of the upcoming quarterly webcasts a sort of a spotlight on our progressive advantage agency so in our progressive advantage agency we have progressive home along with many other unaffiliated carriers and that way we're able to really have broad coverage for the customers that come in so maybe you know progressive home doesn't want that risk but another company does so we're able to really we have a very low d and q rate in there so we're able to bring that in house we've grown our progressive advantage agency substantially in the last three or four years and that is one way where customers want to come in in addition we have home quote explorer that we developed a couple of years ago where you can go online and we also have progressive home as well as several other unaffiliated carriers and we have a buy button with that in 14 states so when you're able to go on and actually purchase i think it's really important we'll continue to roll out more and more states with that so i think it really is customer preference and that goes to our strategic pillar of broad coverage you know if you feel comfortable and and the great part about home quote explorer is that we're able to gather a lot of information from publicly available data to make the quote really easy and especially if you know it's a pretty simple you know basic home with things that we were able to get they didn't get it done really quickly and some people don't necessarily want to go through an agent so we've got both both areas growing rapidly but it's really great in the direct site a lot of people want to go either on the phone or online
spk11: great can i just expand on that question on the moving it into commercial as well on the the commercial side it also you're growing more rapidly on the direct side as it says in your k then in the agency side is there any characteristics of the customers there that are bringing that growth yeah
spk04: it's also on the base so you know bqx is as fairly new as well the customers are the similar type customers it is more complicated i i wrote in my letter that i sat with a bqx rub and it gets really complicated when they start adding different different coverages that they want so we we feel like right now that we can accommodate about 70 percent of customers that we're going to continue to have more and more partners and then ultimately have the progressive bpgl in our bqx this i would say bqx is less mature than hqx home quote explore and but they're doing similar things that we did several years ago on the personal auto side and that is build an in-house agency utilize partners so we can cover many different types of small business owners with different products that we may or may not write on our so i think that's a really important part it's a similar thing we want that bundle so where we believe we'll have longer tenure commercial auto partners as if we have more of their commercial needs same thing on the personal line side
spk09: the one thing i'd offer to add to that gary when you're looking at the premium mixed numbers direct versus agency for commercialized you should be aware that we categorize the ride share partners business as direct so those obviously are pretty significant premium relationships and as we add those and as states you're going to see that growth
spk11: yep thank you for that
spk08: all right your next question comes from the line of mayor schultz from kvw your line is open
spk05: great i just want to start by thanking you for the enhanced capacity disclosure and maybe more importantly for the response and tremendously welcome our pleasure this is a bit of a bit of a weedy question for gary when i look at the triangles in the 10k the h to a tractors for auto liabilities agency directing commercial they're all speeding up and i was wondering what that actually reflects
spk04: yeah
spk05: sure
spk04: gary be up in a second myer
spk03: hi myer um now when you were relating to that are you looking at the paid or the incurred on the paid side yeah so on the on the paid side there's a couple of things going on right there are definitely some states where we are seeing a speed up in enclosure rates particularly 30 days 60 days 90 days coming in as well and then on the incurred side you may notice some changes what we have seen is our adjusters we feel they're recognizing larger claims quicker and so they are recognizing those claims and we're seeing the numbers come up quicker which would mean theoretically then we would see lower development factors on the paid and incurred later in the triangle right and so that's some of the subjectivity that that's coming through now where we're seeing that speed up early and then the question is how much of that do we think will it materialize later on or it backs off if it develops to ultimates
spk05: okay no that's that's very helpful okay thanks and then second question um this is completely unrelated i want to understand the thought process of raising deductibles in the health base and changing the coverage instead of pricing for the specific option that the customer would want
spk04: well you know part of it is if you have a 20 year old roof and you couldn't have rates enough to cover that if someone has a hailstorm and we replace that fully so we tried to create different coverages that put skin in the game it's been really difficult with vendors out there you know we'll go through the storm process and you can see it as they develop they'll go through and you're knocking on the door and you're making sure don't you need a new roof your insurance company should pay for that so we're trying to always pay fairly always do the right thing for our insured but you know have some skin in the game that you don't just replace your roof every single time there's a hailstorm when there isn't damage so or when there's slight damage that isn't actually changing the structure of the roof product so we'll see how it goes to price to a hail state would would be no growth i believe so we're trying to be creative in our product
spk05: development okay great thank you so much
spk04: thanks great i'm actually going to take a question from the webcast so it's about policy life expectancy an important an important topic we haven't really talked about yet and i got a couple questions about it so particularly indirect what is causing the decline in policy life expectancy both on a 12 month and three month basis well a couple of things we had gone over the a process that we changed a while back and occasionally we have happened there's another one that we're doing that i'm going to talk about for competitive reasons that will actually negatively affect .l.e but we think it's the right thing to do to have the right customers on the book that are actually we can make money on so and also it's been very competitive so rates have been really stable and there's a lot of advertising out there and it's really easy to change and there's a lot of consumers that are just price sensitive they shop all the time so if they're going to shop a likelihood they can find a lower rate with us or some of our competition i will say and of course it's one data point that and .l.e is lagged that the december development has actually increased in both the trail in the .l.e in the three months in the 12 months again i don't want to say that that's the future we look at that as possibility you know we're we look at .l.e very specifically with nature nurture and price you know so nature is our mix of business obviously we want more of the preferred business nurture is how can we take care of our customers we are investing a lot in the crm organization around sort of n equals one personalization how can we be there for you you particular communicate with you in the way you want and then of course price is the competitive landscape and the ease of you know going back and forth so those three things we look at from .l.e we continue to have a team that works on .l.e i'm the executive sponsor for that and we've we were we've changed leadership to make sure we look at all different angles and in the spirit of question everything if we look at .l.e and we'll continue to look at that externally overall but i think there are some cohorts that we believe that we can increase .l.e more substantially than others an example would be there are some fans that we call some not all that are just inconsistently insured and we love them that's how progressive was born and as long as we can make our target margin we're great but they might they might go and will we ever really make that go from x to y but we'll always treat them nicely and occasionally they become robinsons but they're the other cohorts that we say what are other things why are you leaving what are other things that you need from us on the nature nurture or price and so that's what we're working on and internally looking at .l.e from very different cohorts so .l.e x m .l.e when you have auto home umbrella all those things and we're starting to to really gain some traction on how we think about household .l.e great and unfortunately we've run out of time today so i'm going to kick it back to jason for the closing scripts thanks for joining us
spk08: that concludes the progressive corporations fourth quarter investor event information about a replay of the event will be available on the investor relations section of progressive's website for the next year you may now disconnect
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