Permian Resources Corporation Class A

Good morning and welcome to Permian Resources conference call to discuss its fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings. Today's call is being recorded. A replay of the call will be accessible until March 6, 2025 by dialing -660-6264 and entering the replay access code 750-75050 or by visiting the company's website at .PermianRest.com. At this time I will turn the call over to Hayes Mabee, Permian Resources Vice President of Investor Relations for some opening remarks. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Ena. And thank you all for joining us. On the call today are Will Hickey and James Walter, our Chief Executive Officers, and Guy Oliphant, our Chief Financial Officer. I would like to note that many of the comments during this call are forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties that could affect our actual results or plans. Many of these risks are beyond our control and are discussed in more detail in the risk factors and the forward-looking statements sections of our filings with the SEC. Although we believe the expectations expressed are based on reasonable assumptions, they are not guarantees of future performance, and actual results may differ materially. We may also refer to non-GAAP financial measures. For any non-GAAP measure we use, a reconciliation to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in our earnings release or presentation. With that, I will turn the call over to Will Hickey, Co-CEO.

Thanks, Hayes. We're excited to discuss our fourth quarter results as well as lay out our 2025 plan this morning. We reported a record quarter in both production and free cash flow per share in Q4, demonstrating that the business continues to perform extremely well, led by outstanding execution in the field. Additionally, we saw a relentless focus on cost control manifest into lower DMC cost and controllable cash cost when compared to Q3. Over the full year of 2024, our team delivered outstanding results, resulting in a nearly 50% increase in free cash flow per share compared to 2023. Even more impressive, we achieved this without increasing leverage, reflecting the strength and consistency of our core operations. As a result, we believe 2024 represents a highly repeatable year, positioning us for sustained performance and growth. As we look to 2025, we expect to continue maximizing shareholder value by executing on our highly capital-efficient Delaware Basin drilling program. We're proud to lay out a 2025 plan that's expected to continue to generate significant free cash flow per share growth. Moving into quarterly results, Q4 production exceeded expectations with oil production of 171,000 barrels of oil per day and total production of 368,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day. Our DMC team also continues to execute at an extremely high level, which led to 275 wells tilled in 2024. Importantly, we executed on this plan with CapEx remaining well within our original guidance range of 1.9 to 2.1 billion. In addition, we delivered leading cash costs supporting strong margins. With Q4 LOE of $5.42 per BOE, cash GNA of $0.93 per BOE, and GP&T of $1.49 per BOE. Strong production results paired with low cash costs and CapEx of $504 million in the quarter resulted in an adjusted operating cash flow of $904 million and adjusted free cash flow of $400 million. Turning to slide four, we wanted to provide a quick review of how strong a year 2024 was for PR. We were able to beat and or raise production guidance every quarter on just the base out performance. When including the bolt-on acquisitions we closed throughout the year, we delivered 8% higher oil production when compared to our original 2024 guidance. Our cost controls also performed extremely well, as most recent well costs were almost 20% lower compared to 2023. Most importantly, a little over half of this reduction was a direct result of structural efficiency improvements that we gained throughout the year with the balance of a result of service cost deflation. We also rolled out an enhanced capital return program during 2024 that prioritizes a leading base dividend for our shareholders. This change was underpinned by the material improvements in free cash flow per share generation of our business, which we will touch on more in just a little bit. Lastly, during 2024, we were able to increase our liquidity by approximately $1 billion, showcasing our ability to maintain a very strong financial position with no change in leverage. While executing on $1.2 billion of accreted M&A, we have and will continue to prioritize maintaining a fortress balance sheet, as we believe this allows us to maintain flexibility and be opportunistic through the commodity price cycles. Slide 5 illustrates our expertise and cost leadership in the Delaware Basin. Our relentless focus on low-cost leadership allows us to drive both DNC and controllable cash costs to peer-leading levels. Our 2025 plan, which James will outline here in a minute, benefits greatly from the reduction in all-in costs we've seen over the past year. Given the marginal nature of free cash flow, running a low-cost business is critical in supporting strong free cash flow per share. Turning to slide 6, we wanted to highlight the success of our 2024 M&A program. We executed on approximately $1.2 billion of acquisitions for 50,000 net acres and about 20,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day across our acreage position. The mix of acquisitions consisted of a large asset deal in BriaDraw, several smaller bolt-on acquisitions, and finally a substantial ground game that consisted of over 500 transactions for 4,000 net acres. We believe that expertise in executing each of these type of transactions provides PR the means to continue to replace our drilled locations with high rate of return inventory that immediately competes for capital. As you can see, these acquisitions more than replaced the inventory that we drilled throughout 2024 with similar or better rates of return to our 2024 development. We plan on continuing our strong track record of pursuing a creative M&A that adds near-term, mid-term, and long-term value to shareholders. Now looking at slide 7, we want to highlight a big reason for why we've been so successful at M&A that creates value for shareholders. One of our sustainable competitive advantages is our ability to buy acreage in areas where we can apply PR's leading cost structure to the acquired assets immediately. Specifically, when we compared the last several months of LOE on assets prior to acquisition, we've already driven a $3 per BOE reduction on that asset base. This was largely achieved through our lean field organization, technical expertise in artificial lift, optimized chemical programs, and a leading field compression team that maximizes production while reducing downtime. Similarly on the DNC side, we've reduced costs by over $300 per lateral foot when compared to the prior operator's most recent wells. Our leading cycle times, completion optimization, and sourcing of key materials to scale support these improvements. We're confident that our ability to execute this level will allow us to continue to find Delaware-based opportunities at attractive rates of return. With that, I will turn it over to James to go over our 2025 plan.

Thanks, Will. Turning to slide 8, we're excited to discuss our 2025 business plan, which is focused on maximizing returns and free cash flow per share through consistent, thoughtful capital allocation and low-cost execution. Our plan is a result of a tremendous amount of effort from every department of Permian Resources. We want to thank our entire team for the hard work that went into pulling this all together. For the full year 2025, we expect total production to average between 360 and 380,000 BOE per day, and oil production to average between 170 and 175,000 barrels of oil per day. This plan delivers 8% higher annual oil production compared to full year 2024. Our capital program consists of approximately $2 billion, which is less than 2024 despite the higher production base, showing materially improved capital efficiency year over year. 80% of the capital program is allocated to drilling and completion operations, where we expect to turn line approximately 285 wells this year, with roughly the same dock inventory as we carried in 2024. The remaining 20% is primarily investments in infrastructure that position PR to continue to drive value in 2025 and beyond. Our development program and wellness will be largely the same as last year, and will continue to be focused on our high-returning Delaware-based assets, with New Mexico accounting for about 65% of our activity, the Texas-Delaware accounting for about 30%, and the Midland basin getting the balance. We expect our average working interest to be approximately 75%, which is in line with 2024, and our average lateral link to increase to approximately 10,000 feet. We expect our controllable cash cost to be approximately $7.75 per BOE, which as we mentioned earlier, we believe to be the lowest cost in the Permian. Additionally, we continue to optimize our tax planning strategies and expect approximately 25 million current taxes for 2025 at strip prices. The combination of the same or better well productivity, with lower costs across the board, drive meaningfully improved capital efficiency and lower breakevens in 2025. Trained to fly nine, our balance sheet reflects the same philosophy around low leverage and high liquidity we have shown since the founding of our predecessor company. We maintained leverage right at one time through the course of 2024, while doing $1.2 billion in acquisitions, and we expect to exit 2025 at approximately 0.5 times leverage, assuming current strip prices. As mentioned earlier, we exit the year with $3 billion in liquidity, including approximately $500 million of cash. This position is best to be opportunistic in any environment, as we believe market dislocations represent some of the greatest value creation opportunities in this sector. We've also protected our downside through hedging, with approximately 25% of our crude oil heads at $73 and strong oil and gas hedges for the next few years. The next strategic priority for our balance sheet is the achievement of investment grade status, which we think has come before the end of the year, given our consistent conservative financial policies and lower leverage than many of our investment grade peers. We paid our first 15 cents per share based dividend in November, and our current based dividend yield is over 4%, highlighting the relative value that Permian Resources stock represents today. Importantly, the improvement of business fundamentals we have highlighted throughout the deck have driven our post-dividend free cash flow break even down to approximately $40, which highlights the sustainability of our plan. Turning to slide 10, we want to go back to 2023 to highlight some of the performance metrics that have helped drive the outsized investor returns we'll highlight on the following slide. As most of you know, our sole focus is creating value on a per share basis, and our team has positioned us to deliver substantial, pre-leading growth on key per share metrics like production per share and free cash flow per share. From 2023 to 2025, we will grow production per debt adjusted share by approximately 50%, or reducing our cost structure in a material way during that same time period. And the end result is our free cash flow per share almost doubles, from just over $1 per share in 2023 to over $2 per share in 2025. Slide 11 shows the public results of the improvements to our business we had on slide 10. Our team's tireless focus on value creation and free cash flow per share growth has led to best in class total shareholder returns every year since the Colgate-Sentino merger in 2022. As you can see, turning to slide 12, the majority of the shareholder value has come from improvements in the quality of our business rather than a re-rating of our multiple. Even with our industry-leading TSR the past few years, we believe that Permian Resources is well positioned to continue to create outside value for investors. Our go-forward value creation potential is underpinned by an industry-leading cost structure, low-break evens, and long-dated high-return inventory, which together have driven leading returns for investors. Thank you for tuning in today, and now we will turn it back to the operator for Q&A.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star 4 by the 1 on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised, and should you wish to cancel requests, please press star 4 by the 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Scott Hanold from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Yeah,

thanks. Good morning. You know, you discussed a little bit about your plan into 2025 and a lot of regional similarities. Can you give a little color around the target formations and, you know, co-development that provide you confidence and sustainability of, you know, the economics as you move forward? And, you know, what's your visibility on that right now in terms of like duration?

Yeah, I mean, it's shockingly similar, both the kind of allocation across states, basins, and zones. I mean, you'll see average pad size may creep up a little bit, just some of the blocks we're drilling set up for larger scale development. But really, it's the same zones. You know, it'll be a lot of the same zones in New Mexico, Texas, and the basin that we've done for previous years. And really, I'd say our inventory position has not changed. If you follow kind of the M&A slides in there, we've been, you know, able to basically replace everything we've built for two years in a row now. So we still sit with, you know, high confidence 15-year inventory with kind of the first half of that showing very little degradation from what we're doing today.

Yeah, and that's great. And that kind of leads into my next kind of question in terms of, you know, the M&A strategy going forward. And, you know, as you replace inventory, you replace it with very similar quality stuff. And, you know, what is your view on larger scale M&A? It seems like, you know, sort of the trend in the sector is, you know, getting bigger deals to enhance your scale, enhance the duration of the inventory in lower cost. Like when you look at larger scale deals in the Delaware, you know, how much do you all see is left, you know, that could be targeted?

You know, I think the M&A landscape overall, I think we see a pretty interesting and attractive kind of market backdrop as we head into 2025. I think it looks pretty similar to the last couple of years and the years before COVID, which have been kind of fruitful if people can find and do the right deals. I think, you know, in terms of scale, we've been more focused on the kind of smaller deals. I think the biggest deal we've done on the cash side was the OxyBuri a jaw deal we announced in Q3. And I think we find those deals tend to have higher quality inventory and represent better values. You know, I think the bigger deals we've seen, especially on the private side of the Delaware, have tended to be very production heavy and probably not as long lives on the inventory side of things. And so I think, you know, our focus has been more on the smaller deals, kind of the hundreds of millions of dollars and smaller. That's it. I mean, we'd be happy to look at bigger deals. We've looked at quite a few of them. And if we found the one that was the right fit, the right quality, and we believe truly made our business better over the long term, I think we'd be excited to do something bigger. But we see more value on the smaller end and probably the same going forward. But, you know, you never know what the market's going to bring and you can assume we're looking at everything.

Appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Neil Dingman from TwoWiz Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi, Morgan. Thanks for the time. Well, maybe my first question for you just around the operational efficiency as you continue this step. To now do yourself each sort of quarter and quarter out of one is, is, is part of this driven by the community integration of new applicants and does that help? Or really what what continues to be the driver of just, you know, when you guys are able to do this, they're up to quarter.

I say really that's just the culture that we've built around here. We've got a team of highly motivated, highly skilled people that are really working every day to try to better what they did the quarter before. That's the culture that's ingrained in PR. That's what we've been doing for a long time. And, you know, M&A, I'd say M&A allows us to showcase that M&A allows us to leverage our cost structure to to buy deals at high rate of return and kind of. Immediately apply that cost structure where you can see kind of the synergies as quick as the first month after acquisition. But but I wouldn't say M&A makes us better. You know, I think on the margin probably gives us some scale and some purchasing power, but really kind of the day to day grinding out hours, days, minutes on the drilling side and finding ways to optimize completions to lower costs is really just a cultural thing ingrained in PR. And I think we've benefited a lot from being in Midland and really being focused on one basin. And, you know, there is there's a lot of value in being kind of hyper focused on one basin in Midland. And I think you kind of the culmination of the culture with that is what drives the performance.

Great, great point. Thanks, Will. James, maybe just the second one for you on shareholder return. I'm just wondering, you know, I for one want to say, you know, you all just haven't gone crazy thinking you have to pay out 100% or you have to have a 15% yield dividend. I just wonder when you when you sort of see the pre-casual shape of that, if it is, how do you think, you know, what do you think is appropriate shareholder return value this year but going next year, how do you see that strategy?

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think we've said a lot that base dividend is the core of our shareholder returns program and we paid our, we all got our first 15 cents per share base dividend in November. So I think we're all really excited about that. I think we like the strong dividend yield. I think it reflects the kind of value proposition of PR stock today. And it feels really sustainable. Like, like I said on the call, I think, you know, that's sustainable at a cash flow bank even post-dividend down to 40, I think feels really, really good. And I think going forward, look, I think our number one goal is to continue to increase the base dividend on an annual basis. We all think that's the kind of a key criteria to have a healthy, high quality growing business is a sustainably growing base dividend. So I think that's our our first priority. And then beyond that, I think that kind of capital allocation post base dividend is going to depend on the opportunity set in front of us. You know, I think that could be what it's been the last couple of months is it's putting cash on the balance sheet and and paying down some debt. You know, I think over time, there could be interesting opportunities on the share buyback side or on the strategic acquisition side. And we're looking at all that. And I think we're kind of making the decision every day, every week, every month. What what we think is going to drive the highest return for shareholders. And that's where the kind of rest of the cash is going to go.

Love the answer. Well done, guys. Thank you.

Thanks, Neil.

Thanks, Neil.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of gave the wood from the city. Can we please go ahead?

Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Was open first, I could start with capex a couple items wanted to ask about, I guess, first is just the level of facility spend the for I guess it's about 400 million on an absolute basis is curious if that's a good number to use annually on a go forward basis. And then your D and C per foot numbers targeting seven fifty a foot. Are you are you there now or is that a level that you expect to get to at some point this year?

Cool. Great questions. Facilities. Yeah, I think kind of right around four hundred maybe slightly above that is kind of where we think will be this year. That's that's one hundred million off of where we were last year. If you remember, there was a kind of a lot of one time spent spend associated with the Earthstone integration. So I think four hundred is probably the right call it short to midterm run rate. Obviously, acquisitions can move that around. I do think that if we didn't do any acquisitions and just continue to prosecute developing our own inventory, that once you get three plus four years out, you can see that drop further to kind of call it that maybe as low as three hundred million a year. But but that's probably the right kind of base case, no acquisition run rate. And I think based on our history, there's likely to be some acquisitions that happen between now and then. And then you had D and C side seven fifty foot is cutting edge real time cost today. So we are we are there. We were as we were looking at kind of what what to put in the budget and the guide. I say we've got confidence based on what we're seeing real time in the field today that seven fifty is achievable and we are there today.

Awesome. Okay. So I think it'd be fair to say you could probably move that lower as we move throughout the year.

Yeah, you said that not me. I think that I trust my team will continue to find ways to get better. But. But at the same time, I kind of it feels like we've we've squeezed probably a lot of we can out of the deflation side of the equation. People are talking about tariffs. There's kind of a lot of other factors at play. So I think seven fifty is the right is the right guide based on where I stand today. And hopefully we can go find ways to cut costs from here. But it's not quite as clear as it maybe was three or four months ago.

Okay. Okay. No, that's fair. I'm just so thanks for that. And then just a quick follow up. Is it fair to assume just given pretty static level of equipment and activity relative to where you just were? So maybe no, no real lumpiness in the program this year. Is that a fair statement?

I think there's a little bit of lumpiness. I would say CapEx is probably slightly front half weighted and production is slightly back half weighted. Something like that, you know, production probably on the low end of the guide for the first half of the year and then high end of the guide for the back half of the year. CapEx you probably could, you know, move a couple percent to the first half and drop the back half by a couple percent, something like that.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Nothing, nothing too meaningful though. Okay. Great. Thanks guys.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Zach Farham from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Good morning guys. Just to follow up on some of the other questions on DNC cost. You're at 750 foot now. That's down over 100 foot from where you were coming into 24. Can you just detail what the drivers and those reductions in DNC cost have been over the last year? How much of that's efficiency gains versus on the cost side?

Yeah, happy to do it. I'd say just real high level. I'd say probably slightly over 50%, maybe 55% is going to come from the efficiency side with the balance being more kind of real per unit cost deflation. On the efficiency side, it's drilling weighted. You can see it kind of however you want to pull our drilling times. Just we've continued to cut days and days and days on both the Delaware basin and Midland basin side of the equation. And we've talked about this a lot, but on the drilling side days, you know, directly affect dollars, you know, spread rate call it 90, $100,000 a day. Every time you cut it, you save about that much on a gross basis per well. You know, on the on the material side, it's really just kind of tangible stuff like sands come down casings come down and then a little bit of call it like deflation on true services. Simulfract helped a little bit. You kind of add all that together and you get to the numbers you're quoting.

Got it. Thanks for that. And then maybe just an update on the Midland asset and how that fits into the portfolio. It seems like it's about 5% of turning lines this year, but how do you think about that asset fitting into the portfolio over the longer term?

Yeah, I think, you know, we're obviously very focused on the Delaware basin. That's kind of our backyard. That's where we've spent the majority of our time and more majority managing majority of our capital. That's that's turned out to be a good little asset. You know, I think our team's done a really good job bringing kind of cost in line with the leading operators in the Midland basin. You know, frankly, when we acquired that asset a couple years ago, it was in a fine position, but I think our team's really taken that and made it a lot better. Kind of applied the PR secret sauce, if you will. I think, you know, it's not an area of focus for us, but I think it fits well in the portfolio today. It's a little bit of our capital activity. It provides a, you know, a nice little cash flow stream. And, you know, I think over the longer, longer term, you know, if there's something to do to optimize the position that included that, I think we'd obviously be open to it. I think we like having in the portfolio. I think it's got really good gas price optionality, obviously kind of Permian gas prices have anything to be that excited about. But that that business has a real amount of leverage to kind of in basin gas pricing that I think that kind of makes it more attractive to hold and probably requires a different environment to do something with. But to tell you the truth, our team has done such good work. I think we're pretty happy with it sitting where it is. And if there is a way to do something to make it or make our business better, obviously, that's what we do every day. We'd be open to it. But, you know, happy with it in the portfolio as a chance today.

Got it. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Kevin McCurdy from Pickering Energy Partners. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. It looks like you're taking your efficiency gains and shorter cycle times from 2024 and using it to increase turning lines year over year. This is slightly different than some of your peers who I think are banking those efficiency gains and keeping production flattish. And I wonder if you could just share your thought process on activity levels and how you reached the decision you did.

Oh, at the beginning of it, I'd say kind of what personal we look at as we're making capital allocation decisions, especially with respect to the drilling program is just kind of the the all in return of the program. And and we've talked about this in the past, but also kind of the payback of it. You know, when you add an incremental rig, how fast that rig pays for itself to where you're in a a net better cash position because of it. And I think what you've seen over the last nine months or 12 months is commodity prices have moved against us. But at the same time, our cost structure has more than offset it. You know, we have we're earning better returns at the pad level today than we had than we were a year ago, just given the the overall return profile of of the business. Really, with the cost structure being the biggest tailwinds. I think as we look at the plan for twenty five, I wouldn't I'd call this more of a tweener program like we are from year over year. It's eight percent growth, but there's a lot of acquisitions in it. You know, kind of from Q4 levels, it's less than that. And we could easily dial it up to to show meaningful growth much more than this to kind of high end ten percent as we've talked about or or dial it back a little bit. It feels like kind of the return profile of the business justifies a little bit of growth. And that's that's where we landed.

Really, the way we're thinking about it and the way we focus on everything is per share growth. I think we've got the debt adjusted per share growth in in the deck of 11 percent year over year, which I think feels really healthy. So I think kind of our focus, like we talked about a lot of on on the per share metrics, you like that kind of fits with with the position of our business today and the macro environment.

Thanks. I appreciate that answer. And yeah, I think the growth certainly separates your separates you from your peers for a follow up. I wanted to touch on the minimal cash taxes in twenty twenty five because I think that's a meaningful piece of the free cash flow. How are you guys able to mitigate taxes again this year? And do you have any thoughts on how long you can kind of continue to defer the majority of your cash taxes?

Yeah, this guy, so for twenty four, we really just kind of continue to optimize our tax planning and we learned a lot with our stone that ultimately resulted in nominal cash taxes paid in twenty four and twenty five. Just a carry over of that, what I call improved planning and probably optimization of our stone. You know, as we go forward, cash taxes will be more meaningful in twenty six and by twenty seven closer to a full cash taxpayer. So we're going through all that now. So that'll change. But twenty five was a meaningful improvement relative what we thought six or nine months ago.

Appreciate that. Thank you,

guys. Thanks.

Thank you once again. Should you have a question, please? Star four by one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of very quick failure from Texas. Capital, please go ahead.

Good morning, all. And thanks for taking my questions. Over the last two quarters, you guys have added twenty five hundred net net acres via grassroots leasing with the majority of that coming in for Q. Kind of looking forward across your expanded position, is it reasonable to think that you could continue to add five to ten thousand acres per year via grassroots leasing, really negating the need for larger both?

Hi, and that sounds pretty high. I think we're confident that we've been doing this a long time and it's lumpy. I think we could have replicate what we did in Q for a couple of quarters in a in a full year period. But I think probably the kind of four or five, six thousand in that acre is probably the better base case. I'd say ten thousand an acre would be a really good year. Ten thousand acres would be a really good year. You know, I think it's kind of the way that these deals come through and the kind of opportunity set being largely tied to the drill bit in our drill schedule. Like you do have some outside quarters like we saw in Q for. But I think we're certainly confident we can continue doing it at the scale we've done the last couple of years, which is probably closer to that five thousand acre plus or minus five thousand acres plus or minus run rate. But, you know, who knows? I mean, our team, we've got an incredible team out here in the Midland on the ground every day looking for opportunities. So I think a really good year could look like that, but probably not every year.

Makes sense. And for my follow up, I wanted to ask a capital efficiency question. One of your peers recently introduced a new measure where they evaluated the price in twenty twenty five that would allow for a similar free cash flow per share is achieved in twenty twenty four. I guess with respect to that capital efficiency measure, if you've seen it, I'd love your take on it. And secondly, if you have a view on what crude price would deliver a similar level of free cash flow per share for you in twenty twenty five, if you have it.

Yeah, I mean, I think I think for us, we actually like looking at this. I think one thing that's really important as we talk about running our business every day that our business is getting better year over year and kind of the ultimate arbiter of quality as we see it as free cash flow per share. I think that metric that we talked about is generally the context of absolute free cash flow. But I think from our perspective, if we were trying to generate the same call it one point four billion dollars we generate in free cash flow on an absolute basis last year, which is a call it a seventy five dollar crude price. We think we could do that this year in the kind of low to mid sixties call that sixty three dollars plus or minus and feel like that shows the quality of the business, the kind of step change that we've seen in operational efficiencies and capital efficiency across the board.

Great update. Thanks for your time. Thanks, sir.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Neil from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Yeah, good morning. Well, James and team. Thanks for that. Thanks for the time here. Yeah, I guess. Big picture question. You know, you should show in the deck. Despite multi year out performance, the stock does still trade at a two turn discount to a lot of the pure set, including your big brother in the middle. And then I guess the question is, what do you think the market is needs to better understand to start thinking about permanent resources differently and more in the context of other pure play permanent stories?

You know, I think to be frank, I think we don't spend a ton of time guessing what the market's thinking. You're probably closer to that and better answering that question that we are. I'd say where we spend all of our time focused on is how we can make our business better. I think if I had to had to speculate, I'm probably not the best person to do this. I think it's a combination of one permit resources is still a relatively new story. Like, I think if you if you want to talk about the guys across the street, they've been doing this for well over a decade, probably closer to two than to one and doing it tremendously well year in year out quarter in year and quarter out. So I think like that multiple is deserved by the kind of both the quality of the business they run and the duration they run it for. We're still a relatively new story. I think it's the two and a half year mark or so for for permanent resources. And we're still new to a lot of investors. Hopefully we've we've built a lot of trust. We've obviously we think created a lot of value for shareholders. And I think over time, the kind of multiple uplift will come as people see the people see the quality of our business today, but continue to see quarter in quarter out and year in year out execution. So I think the only other thing we get occasionally from investors is the outperformance to date, which is shown on slide 11 has been so strong three years running that I think people have a hard time reconciling that with slide 12, which is still a relatively low multiple compared to the peer set. So I think I think it all works itself out over time. And, you know, I'd say for us, we're really focused on how we grow free cash flow per share and think everything else will take care of itself.

Yeah, no, great, great answer. And then just the follow up on lateral links, you know, you're moving from 9300 feet to 10,000. Just talk about, you know, what how do you continue to drive this higher? And, you know, what's your approach to continue to extend those laterals?

Yeah, I think this is just, you know, the way the acres position set up this year. I think we've always Delaware basin, at least in kind of the deeper Wolf Camp type benches targeted two mile laterals is just kind of the optimal Delaware basin lateral link. I think some of the step up from 9300 to 10,000 is just we're drilling very, very few sub 10,000 foot laterals as well, or this year, as well as there's a few three mile laterals that in some of the shallower benches actually does drive incremental economics. And when so, that's what we'll do. I think if the verdict is still a little bit out on the Delaware basin, if you'll see the big shift change from targeting 10,000 feet to chart targeting closer to 12,500 feet that you've seen in the Midland basin, I think that's a good way to go. I think most most Midland basin operational synergies or efficiencies do ends up translating to the Delaware a couple years later. So I probably wouldn't bet against it. But, you know, we've we've we've Delaware basin productivity makes a lot more fluid per foot than Midland. And so at some point, if you really, really start to push lateral links, your fluid deliverability is is constrained and it kind of hurts the economics. So I say that's the stuff we're looking at every day. But I do have the confidence that our drilling team could easily go drill two and a half three miles if needed. It's more of just that that makes sense of the acres position in the economics.

Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Oliver one from TPH, please go ahead.

Good morning, James, willing team and thanks for taking the questions. I'm just wanted to kind of look back at the 2025 budget and the non DNC portion that 20%. It sounds like most of that is facilities infrastructure related but just any sort of color you all can provide with respect to the magnitude of the non op capex within that budget.

It's pretty small. We've done an awesome job over the years of being kind of coring up and focusing on our operate business. I'd say it's you know the non spends less than 50 million a year.

Okay, that makes sense. And for a follow up maybe just on gas realizations last quarter, you all put out a slide speaking towards focusing on optimizing the gas net backs. Just kind of wondering if there's been any progress updates to kind of offer up on that front that you're able to speak to.

No, I mean, I'd say it's definitely still a priority. I think kind of better marketing of all of our hydrocarbons across the board is is a priority. I'd say on the gas side. That just takes time. You know, I think you saw us on the crude side kind of guide up our oil realizations by a percent at the midpoint from our guidance last year. And I think we've made some real progress there. I think our 10, 20, 50 cents a barrel in different places really moves the needle on on free cash flow at the end of the day. On the gas side, I think, you know, to be frank, I think our the way we're going to sell our gas this year probably looks a lot like it did last year. I think the kind of real step change that we think we'll see is probably in 2026 and beyond as we're looking at some longer term longer haul deals ways to access got a couple different things on the you know on the plate that could allow us to access different markets than Waha. But but that just takes time. So, you know, I think our our gas strategy is is very in focus for us. I think kind of optimizing our realizations over the next decade is is at the very top of the strategic priorities list. But I think you'll see that more in 20, six and 27 than you will in 2025.

Perfect. Thanks for the time.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Josh Silverstein from UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, guys. You mentioned potentially getting the balance sheet to half a turn of leverage by the end of this year. Do you see benefit in getting to this level from a rewriting in the stock or does it make sense to stay closer to one times and use that cash for buy back and acquisitions?

You know, we're definitely not kind of solving for balance sheet issues because I think because of implications for how the stock trades, I'd say as you think about balance sheet, it's positioning our business to optimize value creation in all environments. And I think having a stronger balance sheet, I think everyone would agree, positions you well to be able to be opportunistic and aggressive if there's a downturn and dry powder as well. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I used that power to skeptic. I used that power to skeptic. I use that power to skeptic. I used that power to disbelieve that we are going to trade better at 0.5 times than one times.

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acquisitions on the lens of what's the all-in total return we think we can achieve. And, you know, I'd say the majority of the acquisition dollars we spent have been on working interests. You know, I think we look at a lot of royalties deals. That's a pretty competitive landscape and competitive market where it's often perceived lower cost of capital. But I think we're definitely active buying royalties under these permeate resources where we can. I think where we've had the most success is buying working interest packages that come with royalties alongside it. You know, I think that's been, you saw that in the Berea Draw deal and we announced last year and kind of I think probably more likely to be the base case. And then, you know, when it comes to activity, you know, I'd say the activity goes towards the highest rate of return developments that we have. And, you know, more often than not, those tend to be on the high-end or high-package that we have with the guidance assets at about a 79 percent 8-8 in our eyes. So we're definitely allocating more capital to those higher return, higher in our eye packages.

Thank you. Thank you.

And your next question comes from the line of Jan Abbott from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning and thank you for taking our question. Well, I want to go back to the cost of the change in cost. You mentioned the risk there, you know, at $750 per lateral foot. Ignoring tariffs, you mentioned the risk there, you know, at $750 per lateral foot. To achieve further efficiencies from here, do we really need to see more of a technological change at this point in time or are there other things that you could potentially do? The PMH for changing costs.

Yeah, look, I mean, if I was to make the bull case for cutting costs from here, I'd say, you know, there's small changes in continued kind of reduced flat time on the drilling side. There's small changes on water sourcing. You know, recycled water is a meaningful savings and water has become a really, really big part of our capital budget on the completion side. You know, and then, yeah, there's always the breakthroughs that could be followed drilling costs for PR or the predecessor company that we ran over time. It's kind of a flat, very marginal improvements, quarter over quarter. And then you have big step changes kind of once every year or two. We saw one of those going from Q1 to Q2 last year. So I see those are more of the technological changes. So you discover a new BHA or you find a swap out of fluids or something like that, that has like a there's ways you can lose to. And so hence the 750 being kind of where we landed for the year.

Okay. And then I want to go back to capex with production. I mean, production is 8% year over year. So, you know, we got a -to-date oil curve, but there are benefits to maintaining efficiencies of operations. I mean, we've seen that in your cost per lateral foot. So when you think about sort of possibly managing production or like when you think about like a production number, does it make more sense to let efficiencies continue versus managing to a production number?

I think it just really depends on the market and kind of I'd say both it's a combination as we think about kind of capital allocation and reinvestment rate, which ultimately drives kind of the production number that you referenced. It's a function as we think about it of what is what are the returns that we're getting and what is the kind of macro backdrop go forward? I think the returns we're getting even at a back-rated strip are phenomenal in this environment. You know, I think we talked about, you know, our returns at a corporate level are materially better than they were last year at even a lower oil price. But I do think kind of there is a backdrop of kind of potentially an oversupplied market as you kind of move through the year. I think maybe some of the storm clouds are are subsiding a little bit, but I think with that backdrop, we kind of got to what we viewed as a middle ground on kind of organic growth, call it kind of low to mid single digits on an organic basis and 8% overall. We're really focused on as a per share growth. And I think like we can't talk about that enough that kind of per debt adjusted share, our 11% oil production growth feels really good for the business in this market. And I think you'll see us talk a lot more about that metric going forward.

Appreciate it. Thank you for taking our questions.

Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Leo Mariani from Rod Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi. Obviously, you spoke a bit in your prepared comments about, you know, clearly the multiple being lower than peers and hopefully that takes care of itself over time. But at the same time, you guys are generating a lot of free cash flow, which seems to put the balance in a lot better shape at the end of the year. And I know M&A is unpredictable, but, you know, just given the fact that, you know, your leverage profiles and great shape and the multiples low, you know, why doesn't it make sense to maybe feather in a little bit more buyback instead of kind of waiting for things to totally blow up here?

Yeah, I mean, I think for us, we've always talked about our buyback strategy is going to be very call it rifle shot. And we think you get a better bang for your buck on buyback dollars when you see real dislocations or a real downturn. And although I think we're undervalued relative to peers, it doesn't feel like a truly dislocated market kind of more broadly today. So I think we think our dollars are better spent putting them on the balance sheet and and rating for a call it a riper opportunity than one that's just good enough. We think that kind of prudent approach to share buybacks to ultimately drive more shareholder value in the long term. And we're kind of prepared to be patient and and wait for the right opportunity to be that a juicier buyback in the future that I think we do in mass or an acquisition opportunity or something else.

Okay. And then just turning to your controllable cash costs, as you pointed out, they kicked down a little bit here in the fourth quarter. You're looking at 2025 guidance to get you guys are expecting them to come down again on your controllable cash costs. Maybe just kind of talk to some of the success you had in 4Q and what the drivers are to kind of reduce the cost more in 2025. Is it just simply a matter of scale or are there some kind of tangible cost reduction efforts that you guys are working on?

Yeah, so I'd say one big win which we highlighted some of is the cost we were able to cut so quickly out of the acquisitions we made. That Bria draw that we bought was north of a $10 for BOE asset and just a few months after getting our hands on it, we've got it down into the eighth and I think there's room to continue to lower it from there. So you have some of those tailwinds as you compare Q4 to kind of forward looking 2025. We also have just kind of the way our development program sets up relative to some of our midstream contracts. I think you'll expect we expect to lower GPMT year over year. That's more just a function of where we're drilling than any material change to the business. But look, I'd say overall we think controllable cash cost is important to protecting our margin, to protecting our ability to generate free cash flow and free cash flow per share. So we'll keep chipping away at it. Industry leading G&A, kind of keep pushing on the LOE side, etc. etc. will lead to a better business and ultimately more free cash flow.

Thank you.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Paul Diamond from CDE. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I'll just take my call. Just a quick one. You mentioned on M&A opportunities, kind of thinking that couple hundred million dollar range. Should we think about the go forward kind of opportunity set similar to Berea Draw or the high side or the low side of that?

You know, I think we're doing we're doing acquisitions today that are $50,000 on the small end and we're doing those by the by the dozen or by the hundreds. And I think we've done a lot of that kind of Berea Draw sized high hundred million dollar acquisitions. Last year we did the kind of $800 million dollar Berea Draw deal. We did a kind of 200 something million dollar deal in Eddy County and then a couple deals a little smaller than that. So I think that's that's probably the right range of kind of potential outcomes. I think it's kind of big. It's a billion dollars on the kind of cash transaction side and as small as ten thousand.

Understood. Appreciate the clarity. And then just talking a bit about the ground game compared to two and a half years ago with the CDEV Colgate merger. How have you seen that evolve? You've seen similar bid ask spread, similar kind of negotiation times, you know, any evolution that met marketer activity?

You know, the ground game has been pretty similar to the efforts that we've had underway since we started the predecessor company Colgate back in 2015. And I think it's a big part of that's the relationships and being boots on the ground out here in Midland in the heart of the Permian that that kind of opens up a lot of opportunities for us. But I'd say the only big change we saw was kind of from the Colgate's continual merger in 2022 was just the scale of the business. You know, we go from running four or five, six rigs to twelve rigs and that kind of doubled the opportunity set and probably doubled our success rate at acquiring deals. But I think the kind of negotiate times rate of return cost breakers been pretty steady for for a long time.

Understood. Thanks for clarity. I'll leave it there.

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Noah from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Good morning,

guys. And congrats on a great quarter. For my first question, I just wanted to ask on the base dividend. You guys have continued to have your capital costs, you kind of retest your capital program become more efficient and your cash cost go lower and your production is higher than what we were expecting. And it seems like your free cash flow capacity is also increasing. So what was your reasoning behind keeping your base dividend flat when you announced results?

Yeah, the reason is we paid our we all got our first 15 cent base dividend in November. So it just kind of felt like the kind of that was the right status quo. And I think we probably messaged this indirectly when we rolled it out that kind of we do plan to revisit it annually, but we kind of did our annual revisit with the first November dividend that we paid. I think the business could certainly support a larger dividend. And we're excited to kind of revisit it this time next year and should have a nice increase. But I'd say it just felt like we had just done this. And, you know, frankly, the dividend yields higher than it was when we rolled it out. And it had only been one quarter. So pretty simple thinking that just kind of didn't seem like it made sense to make a change just one quarter in.

Yeah, that makes sense. And then I just would like to know your thoughts on potentially implementing creative drilling solutions like you Adderall's. We've seen some of your peers in the base and do so to levels of success. And if you guys had any thoughts on that.

Yeah, so I think for the most part, we're very fortunate that our kind of land team and our land position does not require it. Like if you go look at our acreage on a map, just a simple scan, you can see how well it sets up for kind of two or longer than two straight well development. Having said that, I think we've drilled three or four U-turn wells or kind of curved candy cane wells, if that's what you want to call it to date. And any time it does make sense, it's part of the program. I'd say our drilling team has proven over the three or four times we've done it that there's very, very little incremental cost. Like that curve, you know, sometimes you don't even see it on a DVD plot. And so we have the confidence that when it makes sense, we'll do it. And I think that, you know, it'll be something kind of like simulfrac. It's part of the program, but I don't think it'll be something that we are necessarily highlighting as a huge step change in capital efficiency, primarily driven that we just don't have that many inefficient places where we need to do it.

Gotcha. Thank you so much for answering our questions.

Thank you, Beth. Thanks,

Noah. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Mr. James Wolter for any closing remarks.

Thank you. And thanks everyone for dialing in today. Having gotten off to a great start for 2025, our primary goal remains the same, to maximize shareholder value over the long term. To do that, we plan to continue to build on our track record of delivering consistent results with the lowest cost structure in the Delaware Basin. Thanks again to everyone joining the call today and for following the Permian Resources story.

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