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spk01: Good morning, my name is Pam and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Primo Water Corporation's third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. Thank you. I'd now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. John Caudill, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk09: Welcome to Primo Water Corporation's third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. All participants are currently in listen-only mode. This call will end no later than 11 a.m. Eastern time. The call is being webcast live on Primo's website at www.primowatercorp.com and will be available for playback there for two weeks. This conference call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning the company's future financial and operational performance. These statements should be considered in connection with cautionary statements and disclaimers contained in the Safe Harbor statements in this morning's earnings press release and the company's annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and other filings with securities regulators. The company's actual performance could differ materially from these statements. and the company undertakes no duty to update these forward-looking statements, except as expressly required by applicable law. A reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures discussed during the call with the most comparable measures in accordance with GAAP when the data is capable of being estimated is included in the company's third quarter earnings announcement released earlier this morning or on the investor relations section of the company's website at www.primawatercorp.com. I am accompanied by Tom Harrington, Primo's Chief Executive Officer, and Jay Wells, Primo's Chief Financial Officer. As a part of this conference call, we have included a deck online at www.primowatercorp.com that was designed to assist you throughout our discussion. Tom will start today's call by providing a high-level review of the third quarter and our progress on Primo's strategic initiatives. Then Jay will review our segment-level performance and we'll discuss our third quarter performance in greater detail and offer our outlook on the fourth quarter and full year 2022 before handing the call back to Tom to provide a long-term view ahead of Q&A. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tom.
spk06: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased with the results of the quarter, and I'm thankful to all Primo associates for their ongoing contribution to the company's success. In particular, I'd like to call out Jay Wells, our CFO, who announced his retirement effective April 1st. I thank Jay for his dedication and valuable contributions during his tenure at Primo. Primo has a strong finance team, and Jay has played a significant role in helping drive financial and operational improvements. I am deeply appreciative that Jay will remain with Primo until his retirement date to help facilitate a smooth leadership transition and wish him all the best in his retirement. Thank you, Jay. We continue to execute our differentiated Water Your Way platform. And despite near record inflation, we delivered strong organic revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth in the third quarter. Our investment thesis remains intact with a portfolio of leading water solutions across multiple channels and geographies, strong consumer tailwinds, and a recession resistant revenue base. The continued investment in our digital platforms, increased connectivity of dispenser sales to our water solutions, and ongoing optimization of our route-based operations provide a solid foundation to achieve our long-term growth targets. In the third quarter, we delivered strong revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth. As a result, we are increasing our full year 2022 guidance on revenue to be between $2.22 and $2.24 billion, with normalized revenue growth of 13% to 14%. Organic revenue growth of 14% to 15%, and adjusted EBITDA to be between $415 and $425 million. Third quarter consolidated revenue increased 6% to $585 million. Organic revenue growth was 15%. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange and the exit of the North America single-use bottled water business, revenue grew 18%, driven by continued consumer demand increased dispenser sell-through, ongoing M&A tuck-in acquisitions, improved service metrics, increased revenue per route, and increased OTIF, or on-time and in-full delivery execution, continued volume growth in water direct and exchange, and he stabilized customer base and refill, as well as improved customer experience, including benefits from our updated mobile app. Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter increased 10% to $117 million, supported by higher volume, increased pricing and effective expense management that offset the impact of inflation. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 20%, 80 basis points higher than the prior year. In the global water direct business, our customer base increased to approximately 2.3 million for the third quarter. This was a 3.6% increase compared to the prior year through a combination of organic customer additions, customer-based acquisitions to our tuck-in strategy, while customer retention remained consistent with prior quarters. Our water direct and exchange business continues to experience strong top-line momentum with 17% organic revenue growth to improve customer satisfaction, enabled by increased delivery frequencies and higher in-stock levels. We benefited from increased points of distribution in water exchange late in Q3 and improved water exchange connectivity with dispenser cells. Our water refill and filtration business continues to show improved performance. organic revenue increased by 11% in the quarter as a result of price increases in outdoor machines, improved machine uptime, and improved service levels in water filtration. Relative to price elasticity, customer trends remain positive. Customer feedback related to the higher pricing has been minimal as we track this through a combination of metrics, including call center activity, customer retention, and customer growth. Our water dispenser business continued to improve through the third quarter as well, with revenue up 47% with retailer sell-through volume of more than 270,000 dispensers. We continue to see volume growth from increased promotional activity, increased product distribution and penetration across our existing customer base. We include coupons from Primo Water with the sale of our water dispensers to drive connectivity of dispenser sales to water services, which is a key driver of future organic growth. On the topic of dispensers, United States Customs and Border Protection recently reclassified hot and cold water dispensers and water filtration dispensers. Effective November 6, 2022, Dispensers and filtration units are no longer subject to a 25% tariff, instead a 2.7% tax. This reduction applies to the vast majority of Primo's imports and will allow us to adjust the average selling price of dispensers that we sell to our retail and e-commerce customers. As a result of the reduction in the cost of goods and subsequent price reductions, We expect to accelerate dispenser sell-through, which enables growth in water connectivity. The cost of goods reduction will be realized in 2023 as new inventory flows through the supply chain. We will benefit from a reduction in CapEx associated with the water dispensers that we rent to customers in the water direct and water filtration business. From a digital perspective, We are pleased with our progress from our investments in our mobile app, My Water Plus, which is currently rated at 4.9 on both the iOS and Android platforms, a direct result of our most recent updates. Our Google online reputation score has increased 63% since the end of 2021, and our Google My Business score has increased 46%. These ratings are a significant improvement from prior quarters and build our confidence on our digital and CX programs. We will continue to invest to provide a best-in-class digital solution for our customers. And since we have replatformed most of our digital e-commerce websites, we will now turn our attention to the redesign of our website, water.com, through a combination of internal and external resources to further enhance the effectiveness of this site. Please review slides 9 and 10 in the supplemental deck for more specifics. During 2022, like many others, we have faced significant cost inflation across labor, fuel, freight, and other input costs, which have been fully offset by our pricing actions through Q3. has done an outstanding job offsetting these increases while continuing to improve the customer experience. As discussed last quarter, the Automated Route Optimization Tool, ARO, in North America, sequences routes in the most efficient path possible, which maximizes the time route sales representatives will spend with customers, enhances commission earning time on routes, unlocks route capacity to handle future organic growth, and minimizes the time spent behind the wheel. ARO remains a key operating initiative. In September, for example, we operated 23 more routes per day compared to August, with no increase in total miles driven, a direct result of the team's efforts implementing the tool. Our year-to-date revenue per stop in North America has increased nearly 22% compared to last year. These efforts have been part and parcel to offset cost increases while improving operational efficiency and the customer experience and enabled us to increase delivery frequency in support of our efforts to grow our water exchange business. As we look to the future, We are in the process of selecting third-party consultants to support our growth algorithm and strengthen operating efficiencies across our route-based platforms. For the full year 2022, revenue is projected to increase to between $2.22 and $2.24 billion, with normalized revenue growth of 13% to 14%. adjusted for the exit of the single-use bottled water retail business in North America. We expect full year 2022 adjusted EBITDA to be between $415 and $425 million. We were awarded a five-year contract to be Costco's exclusive service provider for bottled water delivery services direct to consumer and business members. This increased activity and our growth in water exchange locations supports our 2024 organic growth outlook. We have a strong balance sheet, a compelling margin profile, and a path we are confident in for long-term top and bottom line growth. We are maintaining our revenue outlook for 2024 of high single-digit annual organic revenue growth And we are increasing our 2024 adjusted EBITDA outlook to approximately $530 million, with adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 21%. Based on our performance in delivering operating, digital, and customer improvements, we are reducing our incremental capital investments from $150 million from 2022 through 2024 to $110 million. Specifically, this is a reduction from $50 million in 2023 and 2024 to approximately $30 million in 2023 and 2024. This decision is based upon our confidence in run rate performance that enables us to reduce the investment dollars and still deliver the 2024 outlook. Finally, I will reiterate that our strategy is working. We're confident in our ability to deliver our 2022 guidance and achieve our long-term 2024 outlook. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Jay Wells, to review our third quarter financial results in greater detail.
spk10: Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Starting with our third quarter results, consolidated revenue increased 6% to $585 million compared to $551 million. Consolidated organic revenue, which excludes the impact of foreign exchange and adjusted for the exit of the single-use bottled water retail business in North America, increased 15% in the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA grew 10% to $117 million. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange, adjusted EBITDA grew 14%, which represents 80 basis points of margin expansion. As Tom discussed, the effect of price increases, volume growth, and strong demand grow profitability. During the quarter, we maintain targeted staffing levels and have more than 98% of route delivery positions filled. We are confident that the incremental investments in our people and the use of our predictive staffing models will enable us to deliver our full year 2022 targets and beyond. Turning to our segment level performance for the quarter, North America revenue increased 8% to $407 million compared to $413 million. Organic revenue increased 18%. The organic increase was driven by 17% organic growth in water direct and water exchange, which included 11% price mix and 6% volume growth. Adjusted EBITDA in North America increased 16% to $102 million. In our Europe segment, revenue increased by 6% to $71 million. Organic revenue increased 15% excluding the impact of foreign exchange driven by our water direct business with growth and our residential customer base and B2B volume as Europeans returned to the office. Adjusted EBITDA in the Europe segment increased 8% to $16 million. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange, adjusted EBITDA increased by 29%. Turning to our Q4 and full year outlooks. Based on the information we have available to us as of today, we expect consolidated revenue from continuing operations for the fourth quarter to be between $540 million and $560 million. and that our fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA will be in the range of $102 million to $112 million. For the full year 2022, revenue is projected to be a little higher than previously forecast to between $2.22 billion and $2.24 billion, with normalized revenue growth of 13 to 14% adjusted for the exit of the single-use bottled water retail business in North America. We still expect full year 2022 adjusted EBITDA to be between $415 million and $425 million. We expect around $10 million of cash taxes, $60 million of interest expense, as well as capital expenditures of approximately $200 million. Our 2022 performance reinforces our confidence and our ability to deliver sustained organic revenue growth. Supporting the organic growth outlook, our recent gains in new points of distribution in our exchange business, geographic expansion of our Costco in-store events, resulting in a substantial increase in the number of events in North America and our water direct business, as well as the improved performance of our refill business. These gains are a result of our commitment to improve the customer experience through increased service levels, as well as investment in the digital experience. We are maintaining our revenue outlook for 2024 of high single-digit annual organic revenue growth, and we are increasing our 2024 adjusted EBITDA outlook to approximately $530 million. During 2022, like many others, we face significant cost inflation in labor, fuel, freight, and other input costs, and have successfully offset this impact through our pricing and efficiency initiatives. While we have successfully offset these costs with price increases to eliminate the detrimental effect of inflation, adjusted EBITDA margin is impacted as the increased revenue from this pricing is offset by increased costs. Our 2024 adjusted EBITDA margin is now expected to be approximately 21% when accounting for the effect of our incremental pricing that has been dollar for dollar offset by inflation. We previously shared our intent to invest an incremental $150 million in CapEx to support organic revenue growth and the expansion of our adjusted EBITDA margin. We have decided that during 2023 and 2024, we will reduce these incremental investments from $50 million per year to approximately $30 million per year. Returning to our normalized total CapEx spend of approximately 7% of revenue in 2025. As Tom mentioned, this decision is based upon our confidence in run rate performance that enables us to reduce the investment dollars and still deliver the 2024 outlook. As we mentioned last quarter, we are exploring an opportunity to sell a few parcels of real estate in California that have seen significant appreciation and value. Interest levels remain high, and we are working with interested parties to further the process. In addition, we remain focused on reducing our leverage ratio to below three times in 2023 and to less than 2.5 times by the end of 2024. As a reminder, our current debt maturities are in 2027 and 2028, and we therefore have no pressure to refinance any of our debt at this time and are pleased with the current debt structure. Our 2024 outlook supports our planned multi-year dividend step-up that will return an incremental $36 million to shareholders through 2024, as well as the $100 million opportunistic share purchase program announced last quarter. This is on top of our previously announced plans for incremental investments that will top line and bottom line growth. On August 9th, 2022, our board of directors approved $100 million opportunistic share purchase program. which commenced on August 15th. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 800,000 shares for approximately $11 million. The repurchase program reflects the board's confidence in our future performance and our continued long-term cash flow generation and demonstrates our ongoing commitment to providing fundamental value for our shareholders. Yesterday, our board of directors authorized a quarterly dividend of 7 cents per common share, Our growth outlook can fund our growth as well as an increase in our annual dividend. As a reminder, our path to a multi-year dividend step up includes an increase in our quarterly dividend per share by one cent in 2022, another in 2023, and another in 2024. The increase in the dividend will return over $6 million incremental dollars to shareholders in 2022 and $36 million by the end of 2024. remaining area of capital deployment includes our tuck-in M&A. For 2022, we expect to be towards the lower end of our target of $40 to $60 million. I will now turn the call back to Tom.
spk06: Thanks, Jay. We're pleased with our year-to-date results and are excited about our future. We think the Primo Water Investment Thesis is compelling. We are the only The only public pure plate consumer water platform in national and local brands in both North America and Europe. A predictable recession-resistant revenue base where we meet consumers at work, at home, and in stores. And attractive high single-digit long-term annual organic growth targets where dispenser sales connect one of our water services, which is a key driver of future organic growth. with a continued emphasis on achieving our 2030 water conservation goals as part of our broader ESG program, supported by multiple favorable tailwinds, such as increased consumer attention to health and wellness in aging water infrastructure. I want to reiterate, we are a fundamentally stronger and more streamlined business than ever before. We have made significant strides over the past couple of years to focus on our core competency as a pure play water company. It is important to understand that we are a different company today, a direct result of our strategic decision to exit the soft drinks and coffee business and to acquire the legacy Primo business. As a result, we have a healthy balance sheet, a compelling long-term growth outlook, and an attractive margin profile that has risen to 20% in the latest quarter. Although there is seasonality to adjusted EBITDA margins on a quarterly basis, we recognize this achievement as a significant milestone on our path to our 2024 adjusted EBITDA margin target. Our long-term organic revenue growth outlook is compelling, and we remain confident in our outlook for 2024 as we forecast high single-digit annual organic revenue growth, an updated 2024 outlook to reflect an increase in adjusted EBITDA to approximately $530 million based on strong performance in 2022, adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 21%, adjusted EPS of $10 to $20 per share, net leverage of less than 2.5 times, and ROIC greater than 12%. Looking ahead, as we continue our differentiated Water Your Way platform and focusing on a few key priorities, we will leverage our pure play water model to drive normalized revenue of $540 million to $560 million in the fourth quarter, we will deliver organic revenue growth in the range of 14 to 15%. We will continue to execute our razor razor blade model with growth in the number of dispensers sold, driving top line and earnings growth through water connectivity. The Primo team continues to deliver results. Once again, I'd like to thank the Primo Water Associates across the business for their tireless efforts to serve our customers. With that, I'll turn the call back over to John for Q&A.
spk03: Thanks, Tom.
spk09: During the Q&A, to ensure we can hear from as many of you as possible, we would ask for a limit of one question and one follow-up per person. Thank you.
spk02: Operator, please open the line for questions.
spk01: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request and your questions will be pulled in the order they are received. Should you wish to decline from the pulling process, please press star followed by two. And if you're using a speakerphone, please lift your handset before pressing any keys. One moment for your first question. Your first question comes from Nick Motti with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. And Jake, congrats on the retirement. um thank you thank you sir morning nick morning tom so tom maybe maybe you should just provide a little bit more context on on the announcement uh regarding costco obviously a pretty significant uh opportunity i would i would suppose so maybe any additional color you would provide would be would be helpful yeah obviously kudos to the to our sales team who you know successfully work with costco to extend what's been a long-standing relationship
spk06: and to our teammates in the frontline that are providing the level of service to give Costco the confidence in awarding us this relationship that runs through the end of 2027. The best, there's two parts here that are super important. It supports our long-term growth outlook. So there's incremental new customers that will gain from this relationship. help support the high single-digit growth story. And at the same time, it also will support us, leverage our route and customer density, which enhances our ability to get to that 21% EBITDA margin as those customers come over and on top of our existing customer base. So it's a double, well, it's actually a home run, but think of it as a double because it provides us the benefit on both organic customer growth, which will drive volume over the long haul and gives us leverage through the income statement because of route density on our route infrastructure. The other piece here that's beneficial is, and we hadn't shared this previously, but we are also the exclusive in-store dispenser provider for Costco. So if you think about what we refer to as connected dispensers, I now have the water service. through our in-store events. I also sell the dispensers so that we really can connect that Costco member to one of our services by doing both, sell the dispenser, offer the service. And so it's a pretty significant gain for 2023 and hopefully beyond.
spk07: Excellent.
spk06: What we did reference, which is I'll do a pile on because it wasn't a Costco question, But I referenced in our script, we did gain a nice chunk of new exchange business with incremental locations and existing customer. And that's important because it too does two things. It supports the organic growth. We'll see accelerated growth in exchange as we move through the next couple of years. But it also will benefit our route density, which helps us achieve the 2024 target of you know, about 21% justity without margin.
spk07: Very, very helpful color. And Tom, I'm sure someone, you know, is thinking of this right now, but obviously historically, you know, in downturns or at least the last downturn, these particular businesses came under some duress. And can you just talk about how this time is different? You know, what's changed in the operating model today versus what you were dealing with in the last economic downturn across this business?
spk06: Yeah, I think there's a couple of market conditions that are different, Nick. And certainly the benefit of a management team that operated in 2008, 2009, and 2010, both here and in New York, is helpful. I think our experience and execution during a pandemic when we eliminated 18% to 20% of the SG&A cost speaks to the variable nature of our business. so that in the event of a downturn, we have the muscle memory to flex the structure appropriately to match whatever may happen to the top line. But the other key difference for us is around the connected dispenser and the benefit of being pure play water, which we were not in the first go around. So I sell dispensers, consumers can pick a water service, And our water services span the socioeconomic scale. So if you think about a typical water direct customer, they're higher income, likely to weather a storm better. And then we have the refilled business, which we did not have in 2007 and 2008, which is a lower cost, higher value solution for consumers who, in my mind, are going to absolutely devoted to high quality drinking water. Those are real tailwinds in a recession or not. But we give people optionality about in the event they feel pressured, you could get it at exchange, which is a little bit lower price or better value than water direct. You forego the benefit of my guys and gals going to your door, or you can fill it up yourself at real value at resale. So we think it really positions us to be resistant for sure through this. And I think, frankly, Q3 performance is an indication of how resistant we are today.
spk03: Excellent. Thank you so much. I'll pass them off. Thanks, Nick. Appreciate it.
spk01: Your next question comes from Derek Lessard with TD Securities. Please go ahead.
spk12: Yeah. Good morning, everybody. And I echo the congratulations to Jay on your well-deserved retirement. Good morning. Good morning, Derek. All right, Tom. Just maybe if I'm going to hit on, I'll start on the margin performance, a strong margin performance, considering the inflationary Forex pressure. So just a couple questions there. I was wondering if you had a sense of the impact of both of those items on the margin. And I guess going forward, should we assume 20% as your new base level?
spk06: I'll take the second question first, and then I'll give the first part of your question to Jay. I think the way to look at the 20% is that along our journey to approximately 21%, this is a a good indication that we have a clear line of sight and execution to get there. What you do have to understand is there is some seasonality to the EBITDA margin by quarter. So I'd say it's the first important milestone. It's the, at least as I recall, the highest we've been at. and that it's indicative of where we'll get to. It doesn't mean that Q1 will be there. I'm not suggesting that's not a guidance on that, but there will be variations on quarter on our way to that consistent 21%.
spk10: And on the margin, you look at first three quarters of the year, we've said that we've covered over $65 million in inflation with pricing. So if you annualize that, you get above $80 million. So if you look at the math, purely increasing the denominator by 80, but not increasing the numerator EBITDA, that's what got us from 21 to 22. So basically the midpoint 21 and a half to approximately 20. So that 80 million of pricing that was dollar for dollar offset inflation was probably right around 50 bits of EBITDA margin.
spk12: Okay. That's super helpful in the color. One last one for me is, You know, the FCC had a bit of an ominous tone last week with how you reported the revenue from exiting the single-use retail biz. Curious if you're still able to maybe give details or some color around what your true core growth was, excluding the exit?
spk10: Yeah, I'll cover that. Yeah, we did get a comment from the FCC, and we did have to change how we reported. If you look at the footnote underneath the table, In the press release, we do provide the detail that you could do the math based on that. But then also in our prepared remarks, we did talk about the numbers excluding the North America single-use bottled water business. So hopefully between the tables or if you want to listen to the recording again or look at the transcripts, we talk about it excluding and you can do the math looking at the table in the press release. but that was purely in response to the comment we received.
spk06: Jake can correct me, but, you know, I referenced in the script 18% revenue growth excluding FX and excluding the impact of single-use retail.
spk10: Okay.
spk06: That's helpful.
spk10: Thank you. We did what we can basically based on the comment we received.
spk12: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, gentlemen.
spk01: Thanks, Derek. Your next question comes from Andrea Tesaria with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk00: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and extending my congrats as well to Jay. Thank you for all the help these years. So I have a question and a more strategic one and then kind of a follow-up on the guide for 24. So first on the exchange and review, perhaps in talking about demand trends in these businesses, through the quarter at the exit as well. Just wondering if you're seeing finally these more price-conscious consumers trade to these solutions, which obviously have a better value for them, instead of buying case pack of water. And in that sense, can you actually use more marketing dollars to communicate to them this value proposition? And I think you had mentioned before that you're beginning to see some trends improvement with better uptime of, I think, the dispensers. And there's also additional locations coming online on the part of the retailers. So if you can talk to us like a little bit of how you're expecting that to be embedded in your guides for the fourth quarter and perhaps into next year. And then the clarification will come back.
spk06: Thanks, Andrea, and good morning. We're pleased with the performance of the, I'll call the various hydration solutions we are. So our Water Direct business, Water Direct Celeste Exchange continues. We are attracting new customers. They're starting a service. They impact us both. We have the ability for both price, and we have very good volume growth. I think the volume growth for Q3 was something like 6%. So that's pretty indicative that business is in pretty good shape. It will remain that way go forward for a couple of reasons. One, the incremental benefit of the new Costco relationship, which will bring more to direct customers. The tailwinds that naturally support our business in exchange. The growth of locations in exchange, which just started to onboard at the end of Q3. So that'll give us a positive tailwind. the fact that dispensers were up 47%, most importantly, 270,000 sold at retail in the quarter, those customers who bought a dispenser will come to one of our services, could be water direct, could be water exchange, could be water refill. And then in the quarter, we've had the best quarter we've had since we've owned Legacy Primo with 11% buying growth of water refill in the exchange, which is a function of a little bit of price, a lot more service, don't know how many consumers are shifting there. And from a marketing perspective, we've got some work to do about refining the offers we put inside the dispenser. That work is in process. It is a very effective marketing tool to give new dispenser customers incentives to start one of our services. And we're happy that they start each, as we think about moving into, if there is a recession, that we'll hopefully have the visibility to see where the customers start, and then make sure that we're very clear about the optionality based on the value equation for each solution.
spk00: And on that, I think your business has proven to be more recession-proof, and I guess it would be helpful if you can share some of the data back in the days of the GFC if that was the case and how it behaved. And then my follow-up question on the data, like your guidance, the $5 million bump that you got in your guidance, is that related to the tax rebate you're going to have?
spk06: Yeah, so two questions. I'll take the first. I'll give Jay the second. If I go back to 2007, 2008, things were a little bit different. So you had the mortgage crisis, right, which did have an impact on residential. We don't believe that same event is going to occur. Right. And that was, you know, impacted us in places like California, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, where there was a bigger impact on a mortgage mortgage crisis. We as a company also took actions to better manage how much credit a customer could have. We've continued that forward so that learning from 07 or 08 is embedded in our business model. So we won't have to face that again. Then I think importantly on page 20 in the supplemental deck gives you a look at the growth of bottled water category over a multitude of events. And the takeaway from that page is resilient with a capital R, frankly, so that this business manages to continue to grow and recover. What's different today is there's a real tailwind for us about the shift to healthy hydration. So even in a recession, people are going to care about what they drink and what their family drinks. And people care more today about water quality infrastructure than they did before. So I think that further supports our ability to be recession proof based on these types of changes from, you know, 15 years ago. And then I'll give the tariff question to Jay.
spk10: I mean, you look at the tariff, very good work going from the 25% down to 2.7. It's going to take a bit for us to move the inventory through into next year. And keep in mind, when you look at the tariff and how we buy, dispensers, I'd say half is CapEx because we rent them to our WaterDirect customers and about half are in cost of goods sold because that's what we're selling at retail. And when you look at the reduction, what we're selling at retail, you know, our goal is to lower average selling prices because our goal there is basically to sell the coolers at no profit and then have connectivity to our much higher margin water services. And therefore, you know, accelerating dispenser sales and water connectivity. So if you look at pre-terrace, the opening pricing point for an introductory cooler was just below $100. That's really the sweet point for coolers. You know, it's now $125, $130. So our goal is to, as ocean freight has gone down and it has gone down closer to pre-pandemic levels. Now, when we work our inventory, we'll get to the lower tariff rates. we'll be able to get back to that price point, add promotions, sell even more dispensers, bring more consumers into our product, and then have increased connectivity to our three highly profitable water services. Somebody had asked, you know, were we, you know, are we taking the extra $5 million going from the $525 million to the $530 million? in 2024, is that the tariff benefit? The answer is no, because any P&L benefit is going to be given back to the consumer. Yes. The cost for CapEx, yes, that will help us with CapEx next year as we work through the inventory, but for the P&L benefit, that's much more we're performing ahead of our plan for this year, and it's flowing it through to the to the guidance in 2024.
spk00: Okay, that's fair. I'll pass it on. Thank you.
spk03: Thanks, Andrea.
spk01: Your next question comes from Dan Moore with CJS Securities. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hi, good morning. It's actually Lee Gigota for Dan. Hey, Dan. Okay. So, it's Lee Gigota. How are you? So, starting with, I think you mentioned about $85 million of annualized price increases if you kind of Look at the annualized number, and I think you also said it was dollar for dollar just recouping the costs. How much of that is actual price versus surcharges that you ultimately could give back? And do you have any commentary on sort of the more recent pullback or what you're seeing in terms of a more recent pullback in some of your input costs?
spk06: The incremental, let me just go back. The 85 million you referenced was the cost inflation, not the pricing, right? And we did offset that 85 million. Our current fee structure has only one very small component that's tied directly to on-highway diesel. That's our energy surcharge. So that one will go up and down with the price of diesel. and it's on a 30-day lag, and then we pass it up or down. It will go down, but it's a very small component of the construct, if you will. Importantly, diesel actually has been the most challenging of fuel prices in terms of pullback from its height, so that has not moved in. The last time I read it was at a record spread between unleaded and diesel. Our delivery fees are related to a multitude of input costs, And the amount and the timing of how we affect that is 100% at our discretion, right? So there's no direct corollary for that. So hopefully I think I've answered that piece. And I think the other part is of our how much was volume and how much were price and or fees, I want to say it was 11% related to pricing activities, which would include fees and 6% volume growth that drives the overall growth in North America. just to give you some color about the construct there. So there's lots of volume, which is important because it's not just price and offset inflation. We're also seeing organic volume growth, which is one of the key drivers of our future.
spk04: Great. And then one quick one just on the European business. Are you still seeing sequential gains and should we expect continued sequential gains just on the return to office? which would hopefully offset whatever macro concerns or headwinds are going on there in the business?
spk06: Yes. So I would say that our return to work, or excuse me, return to office, because they have been working, continues, and that we've seen good growth in Europe last quarter.
spk10: Organic revenue is 15%. 15%. Yeah, that's on an FX neutral basis. I mean, you know, the euro is driving down. But if you look purely at a local currency basis, organics up 15 percent. So we're definitely seeing the benefit of it. And for me, more importantly, if you go on an FX neutral basis, adjusted EBITDA was up 28 percent. So so we're seeing the flow through to the bottom line also and see getting the leverage back that we lost. at the start of the pandemic. So yes, we're seeing return to office, improved volumes, and more importantly, if you exclude the FX, you know, we're seeing it come down our P&L and get the leverage we should be getting with that returning volume.
spk04: Perfect. Thanks very much.
spk03: Thank you.
spk01: Our next question comes from John Zamparo with CIBC. Please go ahead.
spk03: Morning, John. Morning, Tom. Morning, Jay. Morning.
spk11: Morning. I wanted to start with the Costco contract. You had a program in the past with Costco that didn't yield the profitability that you wanted. I wonder what's different this time around, and do you expect these customers to be at a comparable margin to your existing customer base?
spk06: Yeah, I remember that. Look, we learn from our mistakes. And in this case, a couple of things have happened. The pricing architecture is different than it was in 2016. Our ability and execution can focus on the customer experience. And I referenced in a script what we call OTIF, on time and full. It's higher today than it's ever been, which gets to our ability to properly service our customers. And we have a high degree of confidence that we can do that. Costco has seen our ability to improve service over the last one, three, five years. So we're confident that between the current pricing architecture, the improvements we've made in the customer experience, that we'll be able to handle the new customers and handle the new customers the right way, which is really good service at the appropriate revenue and profit levels for the company. High degree of confidence we can do that.
spk11: Understood. Thank you. And then my follow-up is on the deferred. incremental CapEx projects over 23 and 24. Should we think about that as deferring to future years or is it that you took a closer look at those and you didn't think you'd get the return like any other color there would be helpful?
spk06: Yeah, it's a good question. I'll flip that one over to Jay.
spk10: Yeah, I mean, you know, we set 50 for this year and then our initial plan was another 50 million in 2023 and another 50 million in 2024. Getting through this year, seeing the returns we're getting on the growth, returns on the efficiencies, and really seeing where our trajectory is, we feel that we only need to now spend $30 million in 2023 and $30 million in 2024. That should give us the investment we need. And then, as I said in my prepared remarks, You know, that incremental investment would basically go away starting in 2025, and we'll get back to what our historic levels of 7% of revenue being of CapEx. But, you know, it really is the momentum we're seeing in our business, the performance we're having. We don't think we need that incremental $40 million of investment over the next two years.
spk06: And while we haven't provided specificity around 2025, we wanted to be clear about what CapEx we weren't going to spend 25 go forward. We will be in a conference in early January where we'll provide much more color around our views around 24 and 25. Great.
spk03: That's all. Thanks very much. Thanks, John.
spk01: Your next question comes from Kevin Grundy with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk13: Hey, Greg. Good morning, guys. Okay.
spk05: Jay, just a couple other sentiments on your well-deserved retirement as well.
spk10: Thank you, sir. I will miss your certain conference where you fed me lobster on the beach. So that will be missed, Kevin.
spk05: You're always welcome. Don't let your retirement... So two from you guys, first on pricing and then a follow-up on just the monetization of real estate parcels. The first on pricing, just succinctly, is there an ability to lean in a bit more here than you have, including some of the pressures that you're seeing from an SG&A perspective? And I guess I ask that in the context of, gross margin performance and i know it's it's not all input costs offset by pricing but it's been quite good right so gross margins up 230 basis points uh through the third quarter year over year even down margins up 50 basis points and you guys call out the pressures that you're seeing from an sgna perspective and we also know too that the consumer is dealing with uh disinflation naturally across categories that they shop so the cross elasticities in play here are also noteworthy So all a bit of a verbose question, but is there an opportunity for more here? Are you potentially leaving money on the table by not taking more price in the current environment?
spk06: Yeah, I think there's a couple answers to your question. I just want to give you the highlights and then I'll flip it to Jay. I think one of the areas that may not be clear to many in the investment community is that unlike others, maybe not all, then let's call it route-based services, Our route distribution costs are in SG&A. So the route operations, the route salesmen, the fleet, the fuel that goes with that is recorded in SG&A. Others might record it above in cost of goods reflected in gross profit. So I wanted to call that out because it's not been as clear as it needs to be, and we're going to work on that from a messaging perspective. And then naturally in that SG&A, you would see the input, all the input costs in labor, fuel, and freight actually manifested itself there. So part of our actions in aggregate is to cover it from the top all the way through SG&A down to adjusted EBITDA margins.
spk10: I mean, when you look at our OpEx, I mean, Tom said it, almost 50% of our OpEx is our route operations. And that's where you're seeing the wage inflation. That's really where you're seeing the fuel inflation. So that's the bulk of where the inflation is at. And, you know, unlike during the pandemic, we're actually now investing behind this part of the business. We're not cutting. You know, being at 98% staffed on our routes and using our predictive hiring model is how we're at the record OTIF levels that Tom referenced. So, you know, this is our routes. This is how we're servicing our customers. This is how we're dealing with the increased volumes. So, you know, it might seem inflated, but it's actually very good spend. And, you know, on the pricing question, I mean, we have been taking – sufficient pricing to deliver it on our planned profitability to one, grow, but also cover the inflationary costs. We're monitoring our call center and we have not really seen any type of significant uptick on customer calls. You look at our retention, it's holding steady. So we think we're taking the right amount of price to deliver on our profitability, offset the inflation we have. But one thing we've demonstrated with a very diverse customer base, You know, we have the ability to take price as needed. We've taken what we think we can, but if we need to, we can take more.
spk06: And I think one of the other points, and I'll pile on, is referenced in the script, a 22% increase in revenue per route. That's an important number. And unlike others in this space, the vast overwhelming majority of our route sales reps, the drivers, are commissioned. So as part of that 22%, they get their share But it also, frankly, is a tactic that when we need to take more pricing, the RSR benefits from that. So good service that they provide. Also, they get their piece of that price increase just supports this. You know, it's a flywheel where the RSR gets paid more, gives good service. We can benefit from the price in the event we need to push it harder.
spk05: Yep, understood. That's helpful. One quick follow-up, guys. Any updates on the potential for additional real estate proceeds on some of these parcels that you've been taking a look at? And I think the commentary from the prior call was that there could be potential for further opportunity there, and the efforts were underway. So any sort of timeline and governance you could put around that I think would be helpful for folks, and I'll pass it on. Thank you.
spk10: Thanks, Kevin. I'll take that one. We're currently working on the real estate sales that we have targeted. We have started up our share purchase a little earlier than we stated because we have not received any proceeds as of yet, but the process is moving on the moment we've identified it. And we wanted to be opportunistic. That's why we leaned in and started buying stock before that event happened. Keep in mind, we have 72 properties in the U.S., So we are doing a full evaluation, a full study. So once we get through these current ones that have significantly appreciated in value in California, we will continue to do so. And the other thing I want to point out also is it's not that we're exiting these areas. We're just monetizing these, you know, very valuable assets and finding a much more economic and more correctly located place to set up these distribution centers.
spk13: Okay. Very good, guys. Thank you. Good luck. Thanks, Kevin.
spk01: Your next question comes from Pavel Malkinov with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thanks for taking the question. Your strategy as a consolidator has a long history, and obviously there's always cycles of when M&A becomes more or less uh, attractive economically in this sort of quasi recessionary environment. I'm curious, are you noticing any differences in perspective deal valuations versus, you know, recent history?
spk06: Yeah, right now, uh, you know, we indicated we'll be at the lower end of the range and, and really your question is, uh, We're going to be very patient at this moment because it's our belief that our pipeline or list of targets will feel the weight and pressure of inflation, frankly, greater than we will. And that we're going to be very patient and diligent on that list to let those pressures apply. And we think it's a good strategy with all the unknowns of how all of those input costs are going to affect those relevant businesses. So we're being very judicious as we move through the next year or so and hope to take advantage of that in the out years, if you will.
spk10: The pipeline is still there. We just believe slower playing them is better. And as I think I saw in your notes, if the ability to acquire water rights come up, You know, we are definitely, you know, looking at those as very valuable assets and was just able to pick up some very good rights in France, and we'll continue to do that also.
spk08: Okay. Following up, you made an investment, one of your few kind of venture-type investments in SIPL hydration stations. This was about a year ago. Can you give an update on that and how the rollout is? in the UK is taking place?
spk06: Yeah, we have, Pavel. We have talked about the ability to build the supply chain for those assets. I'm happy to report that I now have assets in North America and I have assets in the continent in Europe. We are at the very early stages of identifying locations to place them and think about this as kind of the A-B testing about where's the right location to maximize the volume and therefore the return on that asset. I was in London two or three weeks ago. We have a couple of places throughout the tubes and there's some very high volume units. So you get to see it firsthand. It's real. It is single use replacement. So I'm pleased that, you know, in this quarter four that we'll have most of those assets placed on location and begin to get the true learnings about what's the appropriate customer environment to place them. And, you know, it'll be different in the U.S. than it is in Europe, which is fine by us, but that's exactly where we are. We remain optimistic about how this will play out over the course of the next couple years.
spk03: Understood. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Pablo.
spk01: There are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back to Mr. Cottle for any closing comments.
spk09: Thanks, Pam. As Tom mentioned, we will be attending the ICR conference in Orlando, Florida on January 9th, where we will review our 2024 and 2025 outlook and plans for continued growth. This concludes Primo's third quarter results call.
spk02: Thank you all for attending.
spk01: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a great day.
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