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Operator
the call over to Paul Dyets, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Paul Dyets
Thank you. Good afternoon everyone and welcome to PUR's first quarter fiscal year 2025 earnings conference call. On the call we have Charlie Giancarlo, Chief Executive Officer, Kevin Chrysler, Chief Financial Officer, and Rob Lee, Chief Technology Officer. Following Charlie's and Kevin's prepared remarks, we will take questions. Our press release was issued after closed market and is posted on our website where this call is being simultaneously webcast. The slides that accompany this webcast can be downloaded at investor.purestorage.com. On this call today, we will make forward-looking statements which are subject to various risks and uncertainties. These include statements regarding our financial outlook and operations, our strategy, technology and its advantage is trends. Any forward-looking see them. Our actual results may differ materially from the results forecasted and reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance. A discussion of some of the risks and uncertainties relating to our business is contained in our filings with the SEC. And we refer you to those public filings. During this call, all financial metrics and associated growth rates are non-GAAP measures other than revenue, remaining performance obligations, or RPO, and cash and investments. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are provided in our earnings press release and slides. This call is being broadcast live on the Peer Storage Investor Relations website and is being recorded for playback purposes. An archive of the webcast will be available on the IR website and is the property of Peer Storage. Our second quarter fiscal 2025 quiet period begins at the close of business Friday, July 19, 2024. With that, I'll turn it over to Charlie.
Charlie
Thank you, Paul. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 fiscal 2025 earnings call. Thank you for joining us today. We are pleased with our Q1 performance, returning to double-digit revenue growth for the quarter. Our highly differentiated platform strategy continues to demonstrate success and rings true with customers. The recent advances in AI have opened up multiple opportunities for Pure in several market segments. Of greatest interest to the media and financial analysts has been the high performance data storage market for large public or private GPU farms. A second opportunity is providing specialized storage for enterprise inference engine or RAG environments. The third opportunity, which we believe to be the largest in the long term, is upgrading all enterprise storage to perform as a storage cloud, simplifying data access and management and eliminating data silos, enabling easier data access for AI. Pure is seeing early success in all three of these AI-based opportunities, and we can address them all with our unified Purity platform. Unlike other vendors, we do not require different operating system software to address different storage needs. AI inevitably calls customers' attention to the fragmented state of their data caused by their disparate data storage infrastructure. Data stored on widely diverse platforms with different operating and management systems, which are siloed and individually managed, are unable to feed real-time data to AI inference engines. The Pure Storage Platform Strategy provides a unified and integrated data storage and delivery system across customers' various data environments. It facilitates seamless management and data access across data centers and the cloud. With simplified universal policies and management, we will be announcing significant new advances to this platform strategy next month at our Accelerate Customer and Partner Conference. Our platform vision played a crucial role in securing several strategic enterprise deals this quarter. The ease of use of our platform and a notable interest in saving power and reduced environmental impact led to a notable win with a managed service provider specializing in high performance computing. Their accelerated environment for both large language models and inferencing delivers top tier AI infrastructure and training solutions for their financial services, energy and life sciences customers. Enterprise and international market segments were strong this last quarter. Our E family continues its strong growth and was also a key enabler in our discussions with hyperscalers. FlashBlade had a record Q1, including in AI workloads. We are seeing broader adoption across geographies, including both prospects and existing customers. FlashBlade's ability to span the price performance spectrum from the highest sustained performance required for AI to low-cost applications such as backup is incredibly compelling. We continue to make significant progress in penetrating every area of online data storage with our Purity and Direct Flash technology, both in the enterprise and in the cloud. The quantity and quality of our discussions with hyperscalers have advanced considerably this past quarter. Hyperscalers have a broad range of storage environments. These include high performance storage based on SSDs, multiple levels of lower cost HDD based nearline storage, and tape based offline storage. We are in a unique position to provide our purity and direct flash technology for both their high performance and their nearline environments. which make up the majority of their storage purchases. Our most advanced engagements now include both testing and commercial discussions. As such, we continue to believe we will see a design win this year. Pure storage technology brings multiple advantages to hyperscaler infrastructure. Data storage is either first or second in power and space consumption in data centers. First, Purity and DirectFlash reduces the power space and cooling requirements for hyperscale data storage by a factor of 10 or more. Second, Pure reduces the need for sophisticated caching and other technologies that hyperscalers use to make up for the relatively low performance of hard drives. Third, Pure's technology improves server performance by accelerating data delivery. And finally, Pure's technology significantly improves both the reliability and the longevity of their storage, thereby significantly reducing costs. Increased energy use is a major issue in cost for both hyperscalers and enterprise data centers. This is even more important as introducing AI in data centers promises to consume ever greater amounts of power and cooling. Pure storage can dramatically reduce the power usage in existing data centers by upwards of 20%, bringing significant power and cooling for AI workloads. Another reason why hyperscalers are interested in pure technology. In the enterprise, we are seeing continued momentum and opening new opportunities with our cloud operating model. Enterprises want their data centers to operate the same way as cloud companies operate theirs. Customers should be able to automate and manage storage as virtualized clouds of storage, whether located on-prem or in the cloud. Delivering a complete cloud operating model, Evergreen One allows our customers to consume storage as a service based entirely on guaranteed service level agreements, enabling them to store their data whenever and wherever they want with guaranteed reliability and performance. It provides customers with hands-free storage services where and when they need it, managed entirely through our Pure One management portal. Additionally, hybrid cloud has now become the standard design practice by enterprises. They now expect the same cloud experience of self-service, flexibility, and agility from their private data center infrastructure. It's no longer only about price performance and features. Pure Fusion solves the complexity of traditional IT and storage by joining storage arrays into virtual storage pools. Managers can manage their entire fleet of arrays by policy and are able to set up custom storage services for both IT and developers. Pure Fusion combines enterprise storage with a cloud operating model, cloud agility and scalability, and enables easier access to real-time data stores for applications such as AI. Hear more about Pure Fusion at next month's Pure Accelerate event. Moving on to the market as a whole, we have not seen a significant change in the overall macro environment or customers' intentions to buy. While we have great enthusiasm for our opportunities in AI, Spending on AI may put pressure on other parts of IT budgets. We believe that the storage market will fare relatively well in this IT economy, but have yet to see a major inflection. Overall, we believe that we are well positioned in all of the segments we compete in, and we will continue to gain share across our markets. Our leadership position is now clearly demonstrated by our competitors' increased fervor to mimic our strategy and our messages. We also believe that long term secular trends for data storage are no longer based on the expectation of commoditized storage, but rather on high technology data storage systems and run very much in our favor. We will discuss these long term trends in more detail at our upcoming financial analyst session at Accelerate. With that, I'll turn it over to Kevin.
Kevin
Thank you, Charlie. We saw a strong start to our year in Q1 as our financial performance outperformed across both revenue and profitability. Revenue grew a healthy 18%, and operating profit of $100 million resulted in a new high record for a Q1. Specifically, we were very pleased that we returned to strong double-digit revenue growth in Q1. Two key drivers of our revenue growth this quarter were, one, Sales to new and existing enterprise customers across our entire data storage platform and to strong customer demand for our flash blade solutions, including flash lady. In Q1 subscription services annual recurring revenue or a R was healthy growing 25% to over $1.4 billion. As we mentioned previously, Subscription Services ARR excludes non-cancellable Evergreen subscription contracts where the effective service date has not started. Including non-cancellable subscription contracts where the effective service date has not started, Subscription Services ARR at the end of Q1 grew 26%. Total RPO, which includes both subscription services and product orders, grew 27% year-over-year in Q1 to $2.3 billion. As a reminder, product orders within RPO include a non-cancelable telco order in Q3 FY24 and orders relating to a Fortune 500 financial services company in Q4 FY24. RPO associated solely with our subscription service offerings at the end of Q1 grew 24%. Q1 year-over-year subscription RPO growth was affected by several large Evergreen One opportunities that closed during Q1 of last year. Although we expect larger Evergreen One opportunities to close as we progress through the year, no large opportunities closed during Q1. Total contract value, or TCV, sales for our storage-as-a-service offerings during Q1 were $56 million. We saw building demand and pipeline, including large opportunities for our storage-as-a-service offerings during Q1. Consistent with our original FY25 forecast, we expect 50% growth of our storage-as-a-service offerings, including Evergreen One and Evergreen Flex, achieving 600 million in TCV sales. U.S. revenue for Q1 was $489 million, and international revenue was $204 million. Our new customer acquisition grew by 262 customers during Q1, and we now serve 61% of the Fortune 500. Product and subscription services gross margins both contributed to strong total gross margin strength of 73.9% in Q1. Product gross margin was 72.8% and subscription services gross margin was 74.9%. While reflecting strong gross margins, we are aggressively competing and winning customers' secondary and lower storage tiers with our eFamily solutions and Flasher AC. Operating profit and margin strength of 14.5% were positively impacted by revenue overachievement, strong gross margin performance, and disciplined investing. Our headcount decreased slightly to approximately 5,500 employees at the end of the quarter. Cure's balance sheet and liquidity remains very strong, including $1.7 billion in cash and investments at the end of Q1. Cash flow from operations during the quarter was $222 million, and capital expenditures were $49 million, representing approximately 7% of revenue. Factors contributing to capital expenditures included test equipment, supporting our engineering teams for new innovations, continued build out of our new headquarters and infrastructure supporting our evergreen one storage as a service sales. Our objective of partially offsetting dilution using share repurchases remains, though during Q1 we did not repurchase shares of stock because of trading restrictions. Beginning in June, we will also fund withholding taxes due on employee equity awards by net share withholding. which will also reduce share dilution. We have approximately $395 million on our existing repurchase authorizations. Now turning to our guidance. For Q2, we expect revenue of $755 million and expect that operating profit will be $125 million or operating margin of 16.6%. Turning to our annual guidance for FY25. We are reiterating our FY25 revenue and operating margin guidance. We are pleased with the strong start to the year with both top line and operating profit outperforming. Also, while storage spending for AI is still in its early stages, we believe that we are well positioned as demand for data storage accelerates. At the same time, we are also remaining mindful of the macro spending environment. In closing, we are pleased with the strong start to the year. This is an unprecedented time for Pure as we are well positioned to participate in substantial and sustained growth opportunities, whether driven by AI or our pursuit of replacing the vast majority of data storage with Pure Flash for all customer workloads, including hyperscalers, bulk storage. We look forward to seeing many of you at our product and technology-focused financial analyst meeting at Accelerate in Las Vegas on June 20th. With that, I will turn it back to Paul for Q&A.
Paul Dyets
Thanks, Kevin. Before we begin the Q&A session, I'll ask you to please limit yourselves to one question consisting of one part so we can get to as many people as possible. If you have additional questions, we kindly ask that you please rejoin the queue and we'll be happy to take those additional questions as time allows. Operator, let's get started.
Operator
Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you would like to remove that question, please press star followed by one. Again, to ask a question, press star one. As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. We will pause here briefly as questions are registered. Our first question comes from Amit Daryanani from Evercore. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk18
Good afternoon, guys. I guess, Charlie, I'm hoping you could just talk a bit more about the cloud opportunity for peer going forward. You know, I think Meta had a white paper out recently, but they talked about using some other provider for this opportunity. A new cloud win at some point this year. But, you know, how large do you think the cloud opportunity can be for peer at the level of the specific win? Do you think the opportunity is bigger in AI versus non-AI? Just getting more on the cloud side would be helpful.
Charlie
Sure. Thank you, Amit. So we have a discipline in terms of how we refer to these what I'll call three different segments. AI, cloud, and hyperscaler. And when we speak about each one of them, I want to be clear to everyone, we try to be quite disciplined. So when we have an AI win, whether that's in an enterprise or a GPU cloud, or even in a hyperscaler, we'll call that AI. When we've been speaking about getting a design win in a hyperscaler, that speaks specifically to their standard storage that they use both for their own compute and for their customers' storage that go onto the hyperscaler storage cloud environments. And when we speak about cloud, we speak about our capabilities to operate like a cloud in the enterprise, but also our software that operates on top of the hyperscalers, such as Cloud Block Store or Portworx, that allow our customers to achieve, if you will, a multi-cloud of data. So when we, uh, you mentioned Meta and yes, we've sold into their, uh, into, uh, their GPU environment, by the way, they have multiple AI environments and we are in the majority of the environments that we're aware of, uh, in, uh, in Meta AI. Um, but when we speak about that, we'll speak about that as it, uh, as AI wins that'll contribute to our AI wins. Uh, when we speak about getting a design win in a hyperscaler, we're talking about their standard. Uh, storage. And when we speak about cloud, that really does speak to cloud block store as well as port works, uh, as well as, you know, when we operate our arrays as a platform across the multiple data centers of the customer, uh, and even into the cloud block store on the hyperscaler, we referred that to that as our cloud wins. So going back to your question and sorry to elongate it, but I wanted to make sure that everyone is aware of the way we use those, those words. I believe that we think that AI presents an immediate opportunity in machine learning, but that it will also drive customers to focus on upgrading their entire data storage. And we believe that represents an opportunity for us with our platform play to not only upgrade their capabilities, but allow their storage to operate as a cloud of storage rather than as individual arrays. And we believe that, you know, we believe that's a very big opportunity in the somewhat longer term. We also believe that our opportunity to sell into the hyperscalers for their traditional storage environment, you know, their customer environment, their own storage environment, represents a very big opportunity, one that we're very excited about.
Cloud Block Store
Yeah, and this is Rob. Just to jump onto that, to help you think about size, scale, and just some context behind it. As we think about the hyperscaler environments in particular, yeah, there's been a lot of focus and attention paid to the AI deployments and build outs, but the larger general purpose bulk storage environments that Charlie's speaking of, we believe consist on, even today, 80 to 90% of their total storage build outs are sitting on disk, are being deployed on disk, are going to serve these general purpose environments. And that's really the opportunity that we see as we refer to the hyperscalers. And to some extent, as Charlie said, the AI opportunity is one that we do well in as well. I think the other thing that's going on in these hyperscaler environments is because there's so much focus being placed on AI build out, that's presenting a real challenge when it comes to power and space. And so that's really in our advancing discussions with these hyperscaler firms, It's becoming clear that power availability, securing just the operational limitations to be able to go and maintain the storage footprint they have today on disk is becoming a real challenge for them and one that we're very hopeful to go and help them with. Thank you, Amit. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Mita Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Mita Marshall
Great. Thanks so much. I just wanted to get any commentary you could provide on just as NAND prices increase, just on how you guys are thinking about gross margins. Clearly, no impact this quarter, but just any expected impact over the calendar year. Thanks.
Charlie
Thanks, Nita. You know, as you recall, we operate in a dynamic pricing. Storage in general is in a dynamic pricing environment. That is to say that customers buy storage episodically. When they do, they want to negotiate We negotiate in a competitive environment against competitive players who tend to price on a cost-plus environment. And as such, you know, ASPs, if you will, on a per-gigabyte basis tend to fluctuate with the underlying commodity. So net-net of all that is NAND prices generally don't affect our gross margin as much as they do with the market, the top line of the market as a whole. Uh, and so with prices rising, I think that's, you know, somewhat of a tail that should be something of a, of a tailwind in general, although, you know, customers generally have a set budget. So. Yeah, you, you know, put that all in a blender. It, it shouldn't affect our, uh, or the industry's gross margins all that significantly.
Kevin
Yeah. In, in a meaningful way. Uh, and just following on to, to Charlie's point, um, look, we're really pleased with our gross margin performance in Q1. Uh, we did see product gross margins that declined slightly sequentially. though remaining strong, while at the same time, we are aggressively competing and winning customer secondary and lower storage tiers with our eFamily solutions and FlashArray C. But the Flash pricing volatility, again, just highlights the differentiated advantages of our Purity software and direct Flash technology. And as a reminder, QLC Flash represents the majority of the Flash we consume today. really providing a meaningful, sustained cost advantage, both against TLC flash and commercial SSDs using QLC flash.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Mita. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Howard Ma from Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Howard Ma
Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking the question. I guess we're For Charlie or for Kevin, how would you guys characterize the demand environment relative to, say, I guess all of last fiscal year and then relative to a few months ago? Would you say that IT spending optimizations are largely behind us now and you're starting to see material uptick in demand or not necessarily? And then just one quick follow-up on a AI inferencing specifically, or AI inferencing driven demand, are you starting to see enough of an uptick, at least in pipeline? I know it's not in the numbers yet, but in pipeline to call out, or is that still too early?
Paul Dyets
Thank you. Howard, we're going to take your first question because we're going to one question of one part, but we'll get back to it if we can, if there's time, the second one.
Charlie
So I think that, you know, I did state it in my prepared remarks, is that certainly it's an improvement over last year, but I can't say we've seen a major inflection yet. So um you know started to pick up around q4 i can't say it's changed much since uh q4 i i do think ai has caused customers to take a second look as to how they're going to be spending their money uh this year but overall i'd say it's a uh it's a it's a modest recovery from from last uh from last year but i haven't seen a big inflection point thank you howard next question please
Operator
It comes from Pendulum Bora from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Pendulum Bora
Hey, guys. This is Noah on for Pendulum. Thanks for taking the question. You talked about a potential design win at a hyperscaler by year end. Can you just help us understand how those discussions have evolved so far? You mentioned in your prepared remarks that the quantity and quality of discussions with hyperscopes have advanced considerably this past quarter. So any other call you can provide there would be helpful. Thank you.
Charlie
What you meant to convey with that remark is that we are having conversations with multiple hyperscalers. When we talk about hyperscalers, and this maybe go back some quarters, we're really speaking about the top 10 hyperscalers. So it goes beyond just the three public clouds, if you will, to the other, the FAANGs, et cetera. uh in this so um we uh though the quantity meaning the number of those uh players that we speak to and the quality of those conversations have improved uh mentioned as well that we're now not just uh experiencing testing in some of those environments but some commercial discussions as well all those are are positive signs if you will that that uh lead us to believe that a design win this year thank you noah next question please
Operator
Our next question comes from Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk11
Hi, thank you so much for taking my question. This is Natty on for Wamsi. I saw that in the quarter your headcount declined slightly. Could you explain on why that is the case and is there any implications on how the sales capacity will be like moving forward?
Charlie
Yeah, well, we continue to invest in sales capacity, given the opportunities that we see in front of us. The only thing I would say on the number, which does tend to fluctuate quarter to quarter, is we have been increasingly been focused on two things that work against a consistently higher number. And that is that we're working on overall quality of new customer ads. And secondly, on putting more focus, if you will, than in the past on expansions in existing accounts. So I wouldn't read too much into it. I do expect that with over 12.5, I'm not sure what the current count is, but somewhere between 12 and 13,000 customers now, we're in the back half, if you will, of customer acquisition. And so we should start to see moderating, if you will, of those numbers.
Kevin
Yeah, just a quick follow-on to that, too. Look, the customer acquisition count was consistent with what we saw a year ago in Q1. and we're also pleased to charlie's point on the quality of new customers acquired as we continue to increase our penetration of the fortune 500 customers thank you natty next question please our next question comes from mike zicos from needham please go ahead your line is open thanks for the time guys i just wanted to circle up on uh one and flex growth just to get a temperature but
spk03
How did adoption or growth of one inflex in the quarter track versus your internal expectations? And then is there any way to think about customers which are adopting, whether it's primarily coming from existing customers or new logo lands? Anything there would be beneficial.
Kevin
Charlie, why don't you take adoption first and your view on adoption? I'll hit the comparability.
Charlie
Yeah, the Q1 adoption was perhaps a bit lower than we might have expected from a pure seasonality standpoint. But I would say that typically, well, first of all, the evergreen one, interestingly, is adopted pretty much equally by both commercial, what we call commercial enterprises, mid-market, as well as by large enterprises. And in the average quarter, certainly all through last year, we had a mixture of commercial and large deals in each of the quarters, and that drove a lot of the numbers. This quarter was characterized by not having a particularly large deal in Evergreen 1, and that compared with last year as having quite a few in that quarter. So, yeah, we think of it as being just an aberration. As we mentioned, we're still expecting $600 million, roughly speaking, for Evergreen 1 this year.
Kevin
Yeah, and I'll double click on that a little bit. And just in terms of utilization on Evergreen One, that continues to be very strong in terms of deployment of our infrastructure, really following a very strong year last year. But as a reminder, we began providing an annual view of TCV sales for our storage as a service offerings, really to help provide insights to our annual revenue growth expectations. and providing quarterly updates to monitor progress against our annual expectations against the $600 million in TCV sales that Charlie alluded to. In Q1, our TCV sales for storage as a service offerings were $56 million, which is a bit of a slower start to the year than we would have liked. However, as we progressed throughout Q1, we saw strong demand and pipeline build, including large opportunities for storage as a service offerings. And consistent with our original FY25 forecast, we continue to expect 50% growth of our storage of the service offerings. And we'll continue to provide quarterly updates as we progress through the year.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Mike. Terrific. Next question, please. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Avia Merchant from Citigroup. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Great. Thank you for taking my question.
Avia Merchant
Great results. If I may, at the last quarter, I think you provided, when you guys talked about the fiscal 25 guide, I think you provided some, how to think about the product versus subscription services. If you can kind of double down on that, how we should think about product revenues. They were a little bit stronger than what I was modeling versus subscription that came in maybe slightly lower. So maybe if you can just, you know, help us understand how we should think about the trajectory of those two, that would be great.
Charlie
Thanks. Sure. Well, if you think about a transaction, you know, any individual transaction, it'll be generally one or the other. In the case of a CapEx transaction, there is a subscription component to it, but it's much smaller. And in the case of an Evergreen One transaction, there'll be no immediate revenue associated with it, but of course, a higher amount of subscription, you know, on an annual basis. And so from our standpoint, we want to provide the customer whichever one of those services that they prefer. While we have some incentives in for the sales force to sell the subscription, we certainly don't want to lose a deal with a customer that wants to buy on a capex basis. And so all else being equal, assuming we're winning at the same rate, If we see slower uptake on the subscription, we'll still win the deal on CapEx. We'll see a somewhat overachievement on the revenue line in the immediate term. Whereas if we see a greater uptake on Evergreen One, we'll see a lower effect on revenue in the immediate term. So that's the right way to think about it. We've given a number out before. It's a rough number, but about 70% of the value of a CapEx deal of a Sorry, although a subscription deal would go to CapEx if it were a CapEx deal.
Kevin
Yeah, I think just taking a step back from what we discussed last quarter to kick off the fiscal year, I think it is better to look at this from a total revenue standpoint in terms of the bridging. And that bridging, assuming we achieve the expectations of $600 million in TCV sales for our subscription as a service, I would be, you know, would put the total revenue around mid teens growth and and that thesis has not changed. I think when you start looking specifically at product revenue, I would tell you that we were quite pleased with what we saw in Q1 from a product revenue growth rate perspective.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Asya. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Nahal Chokshi from Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Nahal Chokshi
Yeah, thank you. And strong results here. Congratulations. I'm not sure if you covered this, but given the strong results, above guidance results, why are you not changing your fiscal year guidance parameters both on the top and bottom line?
Kevin
Yeah, thanks for the question. And yeah, you know, we are definitely pleased with the strong start to the year, as you point out, both with top line and operating profit outperforming. But overall, at this stage, we believe reiterating our annual guide is appropriate. You know, when you think about it from a revenue lens, Q1 performance provides us with increasing confidence for the remainder of the year. But considerations also include that Q1 is generally our seasonally slowest quarter in the year. And also, as we previously discussed, TCV sales expectations for our storage as a service offerings also have an impact on our annual revenue guide expectations. And we'll want to see how that plays out as well. When we think about it from an operating profit lens, you know, the strength was driven by a few key factors, including revenue outperformance, gross margin strength. And while our hiring is strong, we're also seeing some financial benefit as a result of some workforce alignment adjustments during Q4 of last year. While reiterating our annual operating margin guide, we're also planning to increase investments in some key areas in engineering. and go to market specific to AI and the opportunity we see specific with hyperscalers, providing our purity and direct flash technology for both their high performance and bulk storage environments.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Nehal. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Simon Leopold from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Simon Leopold
Thanks for taking the question. I don't want to ask such a backward looking question, but essentially the 10% customer disclosure for the prior fiscal year makes me wonder what's your customer concentration like now? And how do you think about how that concentration might evolve over the next year or so? Thank you.
Kevin
Yeah, thanks for the question. Yeah, we did disclose in our 10K that we filed last year that we had a 10% customer. Mix in terms of concentration remains relatively consistent. And we did not have a 10% customer in terms of revenue concentration this quarter. And your outlook? We don't provide outlook on concentration.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Simon. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from David Vogt from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
David Vogt
Great. Thank you, guys. And this is for both Kevin and Giancarlo. Maybe can you guys talk about the TCV sort of trajectory that you expect this year? Obviously, you disclosed you know, a number of 56 million in your prepared remarks. And just trying to think about how the timing of this sort of ratable or the subscription business starts to flow into the business as we move through the rest of this fiscal year. And is there the expectation that there's sort of an acceleration of demand as maybe the storage market gets a bit healthier as we move into the latter half of calendar 24 into early 25? Thanks. Yeah.
Charlie
Well, I want to separate out, you know, because your question was a bit ambiguous. You know, in terms of the 56 million related to TCV, new TCV, and as we go through the year, you know, we're expecting 600, or at least we're forecasting 600 for the full year, and we're sticking to that. We think it'll pick up. We think there's really more timing issue associated with Q1. But, you know, on an overall actual revenue component, For the year now, we have total subscriptions, which include Evergreen One, Evergreen Forever, Evergreen Flex, as well as our Portworx products and Cloud Block Store. That is approaching 50%. It's in the 40s. We expect in the 40s this year. That's approaching 50%. And as we go into next year and beyond, we do expect to see it crease above 50% as a whole. So, you know, of course, we're a seasonal business as we go through the year. We're expecting sales of both product and services to increase through the year. But as I said, we expect the proportion of the subscription revenue to continue to increase.
Kevin
And then when we're thinking, yeah, just a quick clarification, when we're thinking about TCV sales for storage as a service offering, we've talked about contract duration associated with those TCV sales. And we haven't had any meaningful change around three years is what we've disclosed.
Paul Dyets
Perfect. Thank you, David. Thanks, Kevin. Thank you, David. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Aaron Rakers
Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I apologize if I missed this earlier. I'm juggling a few things here tonight. i'm curious about the the ai discussion there seems to be just like this inflection around you know ai infrastructure uh maybe vectoring for ai training driving a lot of demand for increased capacity points uh for fsds and and just flash storage i'm curious can you give us any kind of updated thoughts on the road map of your dfm and whether or not you're starting to see some kind of an acceleration or inflection
Charlie
of just demand for these higher and higher capacity points you bet let me start uh talk about the demand for um you know ai uh for training environments you know as we look at training environments and and i think we now have a pretty good and broad understanding of what the average if you will training environment looks like and what we see is that the uh the dollar attach to an ai training environment after you've paid for um you know the gpus and the networking and the racks and so forth is in the five to ten percent range so perhaps a bit less than uh than the market might be anticipating but we're fairly confident that the total storage attached at least in the near term for ai training is in that five to ten percent range part of the reason for that by the way is just the expense right now of the gpus uh themselves So that sort of puts it in perspective overall. That being said, you know, we think that probably in the past 12 months about a billion dollars was spent on storage specifically tied to AI training environments. Again, that might be a bit less than people expect, but I think our data on that is very, very good. So that gives you a sense of current order of magnitude. I'm going to pass it to Rob. Yeah. I'm sorry? Go ahead. I'm going to pass it to Rob on, you know, the current status of our technology.
Cloud Block Store
Yeah, Aaron, this is Rob. And I think specific to the first part of your question asking about, hey, so what are the training environments, these large-scale buildouts, what are we seeing in terms of the demand environment for SSDs and, in particular, the larger capacity SSDs? Certainly, you know, most of these high-performance training environments, whether they're provided by us or built by, you know, other, either the customer or other vendors, are generally residing on SSDs. We are seeing, you know, some of the larger SSDs, larger capacity SSDs being deployed in some of these very specific environments. Uh, you know, specifically because of the, uh, efficiencies, uh, and, and power limitations, uh, that exist in these environments, right. The, you know, the amount of GPUs that are being built out, uh, frankly are sucking up all the power out there. Uh, you know, most of these customers are, uh, struggling, uh, to, uh, power these build outs and the efficiencies that the larger capacity, uh, drives, uh, enable, uh, is something that, well, I think it's a great validation point for, uh, our long-term strategy. Now, the flip side of this is that what allows us to provide these large SSDs with all of the commensurate benefits in terms of performance, power savings, and efficiency is our direct-to-flash software. Without that direct-to-flash software, the large capacity commodity SSDs simply can't provide these benefits. And so as a result, they're inherently less efficient. They come with significant trade-offs. And they're very, very difficult to use, which is why we see them only being deployed in very specific environments.
Paul Dyets
Aaron, if you'd like to do a follow-up, we'd love to have you get back in queue. I think we might be able to get to it today. So thank you. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Mehdi Hosini from Susquehanna International Group. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk01
Yes. Thanks for taking the question. Given your Q1 performance, especially with revenue mix and Your fiscal year, it seems to me that product revenue should be flat for fiscal year 25 and the growth primarily driven by services revenue and given the higher gross margin associated with services, that should help with some gross margin expansion. Is that the right frame of mind for the fiscal year?
Kevin
Yeah, I think directionally you're thinking about that, right?
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Matty. Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi from Lake Street. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Eric Martinuzzi
Yeah, I took note of the incremental increase there in your Fortune 500 customers, four new Fortune 500 customers. So I'm curious to know across your larger new customer growth, are you seeing any commonality in the use cases for why these new customers are showing up at your door?
Charlie
Yeah, honestly, it's the fact that we are able to provide them a solution that is, first of all, more consistent across the wide variety of use cases that they have, block, file, and object, that's managed by a common operating environment and a single management system. And we're able to do so with a product that's simpler, more reliable, and takes less space, power, and cooling. Um, so, you know, you add those things together, it's a, it's a pretty good, uh, value proposition. That's hard to beat. But there wasn't anything like, you know, AI training environment was the thing that opened the door or something like that. I I'd say there are multiple entrances and, uh, yeah, sometimes it might be the AI environment that gets the customer to, to be interested. Uh, but you know, honestly, it, it really is the, uh, the new positioning of the company of being able to satisfy a broad range. which helps in the AI environment because one way of building your storage environment for AI is to make a copy of all the data you think you might want to use and put it onto a brand new array. That array is connected to your AI environment. What we're proposing is don't bother doing that. Upgrade the arrays that you have in place and make them available and accessible to your AI application inference environment. It's a strategy that costs less. It's a strategy that enables more access to real-time data. And it's a strategy that at the same time simplifies their environment. So, you know, again, I think it's the total value proposition. And you're right. The entrance in might be opened up by, you know, a different door or window in the customer's environment. But I would say there's no big theme out of this.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Eric.
Charlie
Thank you.
Paul Dyets
Next question, please.
Operator
Our next question comes from Chris Sankar from TD Cowan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Chris Sankar
Hey, Cowan, your line is open.
Paul Dyets
Okay, let's go to the next question.
Operator
Certainly. Our next question comes from Tim Long from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Tim Long
Thank you. Just a question on the, if we could talk about kind of the AI and hyperscaler opportunities, Charlie, I understand you look at them a little bit differently, but, you know, thinking back to the rev recognition you guys had with Meta, it seems like you know, each one had a little bit different margin profile in it. So just curious, when you start looking at these new opportunities, particularly in the hyperscaler side, replacing dip, do you have any sense what the model, financial model for Pure will look like there? I imagine it's going to be a much different dynamic than just, you know, selling, you know, arrays into enterprises. So I know it is early days, but anything high level you can talk about. how dealing with these much larger customers with kind of different business model than what you're currently seeing, how would that play into the current framework of Cure? Thank you.
Charlie
Yeah, thanks. So I'm going to take two separately, AI and then hyperscaler. So in the case of AI, we've now largely made changes internally to the company where that'll flow pretty much at the normal gross margins of the company. they may be a bit lower, but overall not going to affect the margins of the company as a whole. I would say that on the hyperscaler front, we're still evaluating different ways of working with these hyperscalers and they won't be the same. They'll be different. And until we actually get to the point where we understand exactly how they want to buy and how we can provide, we can't really say right now, but once we do, we'll certainly have a model that we that we provide you all with at the earliest possible date.
Paul Dyets
Thank you, Tim. It looks like there's one more question. Azia, thank you very much for getting back in queue. This is your follow-up question.
Operator
Our next question comes from Azia Merchant from Citigroup. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Okay, great. Thank you again.
Avia Merchant
I apologize if this has been asked, but the upside in the gross margins, you know, on both, if you can just unpack that and, you know, how we should think about it in the outer quarters. Clearly, once you withdraw and you're expecting revenues to increase from here on, you know, just seasonally as well, how we should think about product gross margins as well as subscription gross margins in the outer quarters. Thank you.
Kevin
Yeah, this is Kevin. You know, when we think about the strength that we're seeing on gross margins, both product and subscription, I would say that we wouldn't be expecting any meaningful changes as we progress through the year. You know, I do think that we've commented on being aggressive in pricing with our price performance solutions, whether that's our E family or Flasher AC, and we'll continue to do that.
Charlie
but overall we would not expect significant or meaningful changes one way or the other thank you asya before we conclude i think charlie has some concluding remarks yeah thank you all for joining us again today on today's earnings call um i think as we've uh discussed our platform strategy continues to lead the industry's transformation and by enabling businesses to embrace uh this change with ai with a unified a versatile energy efficient platform that really allows them to look at their data centers and cloud environments as a single cloud of storage. I do look forward to meeting with you all, with our customers and partners and investors at our annual Accelerate conference in Las Vegas next month. And we're going to be also on some roadshows throughout the globe where you'll be able to learn more about the investments that we're making to continue to lead innovation in the industry. and hear more about the Pure Storage platform. So hope to see you all next month. Thank you so much for joining and talk to you later.
Operator
That concludes the Pure Storage first quarter fiscal 2025 financial results conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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