10/31/2025

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Josh Carroll
Investor Relations

Good morning, and thank you for joining us for RBC Barings Fiscal Second Quarter 2026 earnings call. I'm Josh Carroll with the Investor Relations Team. With me on today's call are Dr. Hartnett, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Daniel Bergeron, Director, Vice President, and Chief Operating Officer, and Rob Sullivan, the Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, some of the statements made today may be forward-looking and are under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied due to a variety of factors. We refer you to RBC Barron's recent filings with the SEC for a more detailed discussion of the risk that could impact the company's future operating results and financial condition. These factors are also listed in the press release, along with the reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP financial information. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Dr. Hartman.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, and thank you. So good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. As usual, I'm going to start today's call with a short review of our financial results with some comments, and I'll finish our outlook on the industry in fiscal 2026. Rob Sullivan will follow me with some more details on the results. Second quarter net sales were $455.3 million, a 14.4% increase over last year. driven by continued strong performance in our aerospace and defense segment and steady performance from our industrial businesses. Consolidated gross margin for the quarter was 44.1% versus 43.7% for the same period last year, and adjusted EPS was 288 versus 229 last year. Clearly, our performance exceeded our expectations for the second quarter of fiscal 26, and the company is showing good momentum moving into the second half of RBC's year. Pre-cash flow for the period was a strong $71.7 million. 56% of our revenues were industrial sector and 44% aerospace and defense, with the aerospace and defense sector now racing to parity, we think, next year. Total A&D sales were up 38.8% year-on-year. Commercial aerospace expanded 21.6%. Defense expansion was 73.3%. Organically, the performance looks like this. Commercial aerospace increased by 21.2%. Defense increased by 22.4%. Demand across the A&D sector is impressive and momentum is strong. Backlog is up to $1.6 billion today, from $940 million in March and $860 million last year at this time. We fully expect to approach $2 billion in backlog by year's end, which will be an amazing milestone. especially when you consider that more than half of our revenues preclude backlog production. Although revenues are currently capped by production capacity, we are working hard to expand manufacturing capacities in our marine and aircraft RBC plants, adding more capacity each quarter. Clearly, this will be impactful to margins. Primary drivers here are submarine aircraft and engine customers. Proprietary components are quiet valves and actuators for submarines. That is the Virginia and Columbia boats, as well as MRO supplies for existing fleets. Both Sargent and Vacco are the RBC contributors here. On airframe and engines, as Boeing and Airbus and Embraer continue increasing build rates to unprecedented levels, production of our products, of course, must follow. As most of you know, we have substantial content in these airframes and engines where we supply precision and line bearings as well as integrated structural components across aircraft and engine spectrum. And with Boeing's recent FAA approval to expand production rates, business is good and about to get better. It's important to understand that building rates of submarines and commercial aircraft are at levels not seen in over a generation since the early 1980s for submarines for reasons, both good and bad. We are current. We, we currently are booking some orders for deliveries into the 2030s. RBC is dead center in the middle of this effort today with considerable number of proprietary sole and single source products governed by multi-year contracts in the majority of cases. Let's turn over to our industrial business now. Overall, our industrial business was up 0.7%. Industrial distribution was up 3.3%, while the OEM sector was off 4.7%. Continued weakness in the markets of oil, semiconductor machinery, and European machine tools continue. Our industrial OEM business is a 70-30 split with 30% of 30% being the OEM component. We are encouraged to see the continued demand in the industrial aftermarket across many of the markets that we monitor. These include aggregates, metals, grains, food and beverage, forest products, warehousing, to name a few. I'll now turn the call over to Rob Sullivan, who will give some colored commentary on the financial treatments and the Q3 Outlook.

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Mike. As Dr. Hartnett mentioned, this was another strong quarter for RBC. Net sales grew 14.4%, driving a 15.4% increase in gross margin. Gross margins were 44.1% for the quarter, or 44.9% on an adjusted basis, compared to 43.7% in the same period last year. During the quarter, we delivered strong performance across our business segments, specifically within A&D, which has been seeing strong growth, as Dr. Hartnett previously noted. A&D gross margins during the quarter were 38.7%, or 42.3% on an organic basis, and industrial margins were 48.2%. Included in the aerospace results were 24.7 million of net sales from VACO during the period, which was acquired on July 18th this quarter. On the SG&A line, we had total costs of 77.4 million, or 17% of net sales for the quarter. This ultimately resulted in an adjusted EBITDA of 145.3 million, or 31.9% for the quarter. That represents an approximate 17.7% increase in EBITDA dollars compared to last year. Interest expense for the quarter was 13.4 million, This was down 14.1% year-over-year, reflecting the impact of debt payments made over the last 12 months and lower interest rates partially offset by the impact of borrowing $200 million on the revolver in July to assist in paying for the acquisition of ACCO. During the second quarter, we paid off $45 million on our term loan balance. We made an additional $40 million payment on September 30th, which will be reflected in next quarter's results. Diluted earnings per share were $1.90 compared to $1.65 for the same period last year. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $2.88, representing a 25.8% increase over $2.29 for the same period last year. The tax rate in our adjusted EPS calculation was 22% compared to last year's 22.1%. Free cash flow in the quarter came in at $71.7 million with conversion of 119.5%. and compares to $26.8 million and 49.4% last year. The higher conversion rate was due to the increased earnings and working capital management during the quarter. As we have previously noted, our capital allocation strategy going forward will remain focused on deleveraging by using the cash that we are generating to pay off the term loan and then the revolver balance. This week, we finalized an amendment to our credit facility extending the revolver until 2030. We intend to pay the term loan off by November of 2026. Looking into the third quarter, we are guiding revenues of $454 million to $462 million, representing year-over-year growth of 15.1% to 17.1%. This guidance embeds an operating environment that's been fairly similar to what we have been seeing over the past few quarters, with the additional benefit of owning VACO for a full quarter. On an organic basis, net sales are expected to increase 7.4% to 9.5%. On the margin side, we are projecting adjusted gross margins of 44% to 44.25% for the quarter, and SG&A as a percentage of sales to be between 17% and 17.25% for the period. We continue to remain well positioned to achieve our objectives and drive sustainable growth, leveraging our core strengths in engineering excellence, operational efficiency, and innovative product development. Looking ahead, our focus will remain squarely on executing on organic growth strategy, further integrating VATCO, driving operational efficiencies, and delivering strong free cash flow conversion that will create long-term value for all our stakeholders. With that, operator, please open the call for Q&A.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question at this time, you may press star 1 from your telephone keypad. and a confirmation tone indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to withdraw your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Thank you, and our first question is coming from the line of Christine Lalac with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning, Dr. Hartnett. Good morning, Rob. Maybe following up on the backlog, you had a very strong backlog growth of 60% in the quarter. Can you provide any color regarding how much of that was just from the VACO acquisition and also what were the key drivers of that increase? And then also, you alluded to, you actually said a $2 billion backlog by the end of your fiscal year, that's a significant step up from where we are today. Any sort of color on what you're seeing there would be helpful.

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So approximately $500 million of that increase is due to the VATCO acquisition. And then the remainder of the business is up more than 20% from this time last year. You know, we're seeing extraordinarily strong growth in the A&D side of the business. You know, approximately 90% plus of our backlog is really all A&D. You know, the industrial side has a much smaller component when you look at our backlog, and we expect that to continue through the rest of the year.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Christine, we're currently, you know, we're currently negotiating contracts with and we're very far along, they're very mature in the negotiations, and we expect to conclude those, you know, within the month, which should kind of round the whole thing off to that $2 billion level, at least that neighborhood. Maybe it's $100 million less, maybe it's $100 million more, something like that. But it's, you know, to some extent, we've had rollover of aircraft contracts, which which all begin sort of next year, and there's still several marine contracts that we're working our way through, and really, for the most part, have worked our way through, and we're waiting for the conclusion of the signatures.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Super helpful. And then, you know, I think, you know, Dr. Hartnett, last time when we talked, it seems like Boeing production rates are starting to move up to the right and from Boeing's earnings this quarter, it seems like that's really truly materializing. Can you just remind us regarding your production rates, what's the utilization of your aerospace plants? And when we think about this volume finally coming through, how should we think about incremental operating margins, especially with the changes in contract that you've had and of course, you know, the inflation that's gone through the business in the past few years?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I mean, it's right now in terms of capacity utilization for the airframe business, you know, we're pretty much at 100% everywhere. And so we're adding capacity, we're adding shifts, we're adding manpower, and we're adding some capital. to continue and we're going to be stepping up capacity every quarter going forward in several of the plants. Demand is strong. So you're going to see obviously when you add shifts, you get better absorption of the overheads and so you get some margin expansion there. The outlook for margin expansion overall is, it just couldn't be more positive.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yeah, that's very exciting to hear. So I'll keep it to two questions today. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks. The next question is from the line of Michael Cimaroli with Truist Securities. Pleased to see you with your question.

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Michael Cimaroli
Analyst, Truist Securities

Hey, morning, guys. Nice results. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just housekeeping. I think I may have missed it, Rob. What was the Arrow OEM growth in the quarter and the Arrow distribution growth in the quarter?

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

So the Arrow OEM, you're talking about commercial or you're talking about the whole segment? Just commercial. Sorry. So commercial OEM grew 27.9%. this quarter and commercial distribution was basically flat. It's actually down 2%, but more or less flat. Okay. Okay. Got it.

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Michael Cimaroli
Analyst, Truist Securities

And then just looking at industrial distribution, looked like it was, you know, I think you had it up 3.3%, but down 8% sequentially. Anything happening there? Was that any sort of seasonality, lumpy orders? You know, I know it's usually down a little bit sequentially on a seasonal basis, but anything jump out with that industrial distribution size?

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

We had some really relatively strong performance in the industrial distribution business in the first quarter, some really strong orders on that end. So the fact is it's still growing. It's just probably quarter over quarter. That's what you're seeing there. Okay. Okay.

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Michael Cimaroli
Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Got it. And then I think you guys called out the dilutions from VACO, roughly 360 basis points or so. Can you give us any sense as to how we should think about, you know, the VACO margins expanding? I know you kind of just answered Christine's question with couldn't be more positive on the outlook for margin expansion, but how do we How do we think about that maybe VACO drag dissipating and getting those margins up to and in line of historic RBC margins?

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so, you know, look, they're running in the mid-20s at this point, you know, on an adjusted basis. That's their normal run rate. It's going to take some time, but we think there's – tremendous capacity for some operational synergy there over time to get those margins looking like the rest of the RBC business. That's what we picked up on when we were doing diligence, and that's kind of the internal objectives. But, you know, these projects do take time. Okay.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Michael, I would say on that, too, that, you know, we – As far as VACO is concerned, we're still in the getting to know you phase. And very encouraged by what we see. And lots of manufacturing synergy with Southern California plants, which is needed because VACO needs to substantially kick up production rates. And those rates will, that manufacturing production will be done in the West Coast plants that have the floor space and will they'll need some added capacity. So we're, we're working on that right now. So that's, that's going to be very positive to margin absorption on the, on the West coast. Um, so, and I, and I think the, um, you know, right now we're, we're looking at some of the existing space contracts and, uh, re renegotiating terms and conditions that are more aligned with RBC policies. And, uh, so we're just, uh, working through that one at a time. And that's part of the process. So we expect next year VACO to be a star player in our lineup.

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Michael Cimaroli
Analyst, Truist Securities

Got it. Helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks, guys.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next question is from the line of Steve Barger with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. Mike, you talked about adding capacity to support all these aerospace and defense programs, and I'm sure planning for that growth is a moving target, but what revenue level did you direct the team to plan for?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

For that group?

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Yeah, let's start with A&D and then maybe talk about the whole company.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Why don't we just email you our five-year business plans, Steve?

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Well, you're talking about needing to substantially ramp production across multiple programs. I'm just wondering, do you think that you need to be able to support – 1.2 billion, 1.5 billion, you know, I'm just talking A and D now, or is this going to be a $3 billion capacity plan? Or is this going to be a situation where you're just continually kind of tacking it on and, you know, chasing that capacity as those programs evolve?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think, I think that's a good question. There's, We're doing it sort of business by business, and I haven't rolled it all up into what the final number is going to be, and a lot of that depends upon how quickly we can add the capacity and get the throughput. But if you look at one of our businesses on the marine side of Sargent, I think two years ago, we're in the mid-30s in terms of annual revenue out of that marine program. And we need to be well over 100 as quickly as we can get there. And so it's a matter of how quickly can we get there. So that's kind of what's going on in Tucson. And when we look at VACO, we're still trying to figure out what the mature steady state production rate needs to be in order to keep the MRO business and the shipbuilders happy with the hardware output. So we have differences of opinion on what that number is right now, so I can't really be more specific about it, but it's it's much bigger than where they are. So, yeah, we're going to see substantial improvement in both airframe, air engine, and marine over the next couple of years. There's almost no way to avoid it if they keep building airplanes and they keep building submarines. There's no way to avoid it.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Right. No, I guess that's the key takeaway here is that RBC has the potential to have a pretty significantly bigger top line based on the slate of opportunities you see in front of you.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Correct. That's how we see it.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

And when you look at those programs and opportunities out there, do you have enough engineering staff to support underwater, ground-based aircraft, space? Is that a capacity constraint as well on the engineering side?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, you never have enough engineers, and you certainly never have enough good engineers. I don't think it's a capacity constraint. I think the design engineering work and the testing engineering work, for the most part, is done, and so there's probably incremental staff increases needed, although when we acquired VACO, we got a... quite a few very, very capable engineering team. So that's going to be helpful. I think on the production side, you know, we have our MET program where we hire college engineering graduates every year and put them into our plants into a two-year training program and And we've been doing this for years. And I think the last time I looked at the numbers, the number of people that were in the two-year training program, it was probably 100 folks. So, I mean, we've been salting engineering talent into the company for years. So we have a very deep bench of expertise. And we were actually looking at that yesterday at who's in the 10 to 15-year category. group with us. And because that's, you know, that's the emerging management of the company. And it's, it's, it's quite salty.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

That's, that's good to hear. I don't remember ever hearing an AI related question on one of your earnings calls. So I'm happy to be first. Are you leaning into AI from the engineering side or anywhere else in the in the organization to try and help optimize manufacturing or engineering or anything else?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

You know, I think AI is something you almost can't avoid using, right? It's just you get too many good answers quickly when you go to chat or you go to Gronk or one of the suppliers. And I personally... I mean, I ask my five questions every day. I never subscribe to ChatGPT, but they do give me five questions every day, and I use them up every day. And I think there's many, many of us that subscribe and use it productively. So, yeah, it's having an impact. How to measure exactly what that impact is right now – We don't have a good grip on that. But the other day we were talking about designing a component that was failing in our tests. And so I personally asked AI, what kind of tribological coupling did beryllium copper make on steel? And how would I improve that coupling through design? In 30 seconds, I got a report that would have taken me a week to get from one of my engineering teams that was excellent. And we actually debated using some of those recommendations within the hour. So that's the impact it's having here.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

That's interesting detail. Thanks. I'll get back in line.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Okay. Our next question is from the line of Scott Ducey with Deutsche Bank. Please receive your question.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, good morning. Rob, when you restrike the Boeing and Airbus contracts, do we see the full benefit of that hit in the calendar first quarter, or do you have to honor some preexisting backlog ordered at lower prices such that it takes a few quarters for that benefit to show up in gross margins?

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

We should see most, if not all, of that right away on the shipments that start after January 1st.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. And in terms of what you all have been targeting to get out of those renegotiations, are you generally tracking to what you hoped for in terms of your ask? Or is there any just general update as it relates to the status of those negotiations you can offer?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, you never get what you're asked. I mean, you know, the airframe people are very tough negotiators. So let's just put it this way. We negotiated with them for two solid years. And that negotiation was scheduled every week for two solid years.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it. Okay.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

And we were reasonably, you know, I think neither side was completely happy with the results, but we weren't disappointed.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then just following up on the prior question on AI, you know, Caterpillar reported results earlier this week. They have an investor day next week. A big topic of conversation is the demand on these smaller and mid-sized power generators. I don't think on a large combined cycle generators you have much content. Correct me if I'm wrong. But on these smaller and mid-sized reciprocating engines, is that an all-in area that RPC plays in?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

No. No, we're not in that area at all.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. And last question for you, Dr. Hartnett. There's now a publicly traded company out there that's generating 30% EBITDA margins in their fasteners business. And the industry appears to have some supply constraints. And I believe you'll have some capabilities here. You got through Sargent and ShearPens. So I'm just curious, like, is that an area of strategic interest for you as you think about organic investment in the business, just given the margin potential others in the industry are demonstrating?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Um, we've looked at, we've looked at fasteners, uh, many times, uh, and, and yes, uh, we have a business that sort of, um, overlaps that, that market. And, and, um, and it's, we, we don't see it as productive, um, a market, um, in terms of proprietary protection and, and, um, And what our current capitalization is tool to produce is, let's put it this way, there's more interesting markets that we pursued.

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Scott Ducey
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you. I'll pass it along.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next questions are from the line of Pete Skibitsky with Olympic Global. Please proceed with your questions.

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Pete Skibitsky
Analyst, Olympic Global

Hey, good morning, guys. Nice quarter. In defense, just with this government shutdown, we're about a month into your third quarter. Just wonder if you guys are seeing any headwinds on order flow from the shutdown.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

None. None.

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Pete Skibitsky
Analyst, Olympic Global

None. Subs are pretty protected. Okay. And then just on the 777X delay question, Shipped to the right, Mike. I know you guys have a lot of content there. Any meaningful impact to your prior plan over the next few quarters from that delay?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

No, it hasn't been part of our plan at all, just because, you know, the uncertainty of when that shift is going to be produced. So we just, you know, if it's produced sooner, we'd call that plan insurance.

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Pete Skibitsky
Analyst, Olympic Global

Yep. Okay. Last one for me, just on, you know, Mike, your bullish comments earlier about gross margin expansion. Are you still within the framework of the kind of your typical 50 to 100 basis point annual goal? Or are you moving kind of beyond that organically, you know, and or with the VOCO opportunity there? What's the right way to think about that?

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Rob Sullivan
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Well, we ended last year, you know, at about 44.4 for the full year. Our first two quarters this year, 45.4, 44.9. Obviously, VACO is, you know, a little bit lower than the rest. So that will impact the second half of the year to a certain degree. But, you know, organically, we're right in line with that level of expansion. And even with VACO, you know, I think we're still going to be able to expand our margins year over year. So I think we're very pleased with where we are.

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Pete Skibitsky
Analyst, Olympic Global

Okay. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Rob.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next questions come from the line of Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions.

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Ron Epstein
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, hey. Good morning, guys. Has there been any impact from, you know, critical minerals, rare earths on what you guys do? And if there is, how are you mitigating it?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

No, there is. We see no impact at all. I think our products don't use it. We saw more of an impact from the availability of the more exotic stainless steels, which that problem seems to have corrected itself. But that was a problem 12 months ago. That was a bigger problem.

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Ron Epstein
Analyst, Bank of America

Gotcha. All right. Good to know. And then if I could follow up on that AI question, I found your answer fascinating. You know, being an engineer myself, you get that answer from Grok or whatever. What do you have to do to review it to actually trust it? You know what I mean? And then when you get to a point where you can trust it, does this have an implication on the number of engineers that you're going to need or How do you get confident that the AI is giving you something that's useful?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think if we use the answer that I got for that tribological coupling, it came out with suggestions that if we were thinking about it, we would come up with those answers. But it really, you know, it sort of gave us a reminder that said, hey, you could do it this way, you could do it that way. There's three or four different ways to improve it. And did you think of these? And those were all sort of known and comfortable solutions for us. So it sort of centered us a little bit and, you know, stimulated our stimulated our thinking on the subject. So that was, you know, I think it's a place you start. It's sort of like when you're researching a company, you pull out a value line and that's always the place you start. And then from that, you know, you say, well, that's an interesting company. Maybe I should dig a little further. So that's how we're using AI right now.

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Ron Epstein
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, interesting, interesting. I mean, can you imagine a world where it's doing more than that for you, or is that just kind of how it goes?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, well, you know, it's funny because when we have our operations meetings, we'll have 30 people in the room, and we'll be asked, sometimes they get into, how do we solve this problem? How do we solve that problem? And, you know, everybody's going to AI sometimes. and coming up with suggestions. And so it sort of feeds on itself. So, you know, you have three or four engineers that are using their phone to figure out how to solve a problem. All of a sudden, you've got suggestions on the table that you wouldn't have had. You wouldn't have thought about it that quickly. And so, you know, the old days of driving up to the university to go through the library I mean, that's over.

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Ron Epstein
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, interesting. Well, thank you very much. Okay.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question is a follow-up from the line of Christine with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

I mean, I guess with that comment, Dr. Hart, it sounds like you should pay for chat GPT and just stop doing the free stuff for now.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, you know, I guess I tipped you off on how we manage expenses at RBC.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Well, great. So with that, I mean, look, you know, I think there's some pretty interesting themes going around in this with AI, and then you've got this whole theme of embodied AI. And so I wanted to ask you a more, I don't know, a different question we haven't really discussed before, like, How do you think about humanoids? You're starting to see some pretty interesting machines out there, but bearings are to machines as elbows and joints are to humans. How do you think of that world? Do you think that's a commoditized bearing or do you think that you have a role in something like that?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think if you've been through some of our plants and there's, there's a, there's a, a healthy amount of robotics that are sort of co-robots with, you know, working beside a, beside a person who's doing, doing work. Right. Um, so as, as that technology proves itself, we will adopt it. There's no, there's no question about it. And, uh, and so, um, I think ultimately, um, there'll be humanoids in the RBC plants doing, doing what I'm not sure, but, um, but it'll be, you know, it'll, it'll show up as a capital requisition at one of our, one of our ops meetings in, in the not too distant future. And, uh, and that's, that's how it'll begin. Um, right now we use, uh, we're, we're, we're making use of, uh, liberally of, um, uh, robotic and, uh, non-contact measurement technologies.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

I see. Super helpful. So you see yourself more as a user, but I guess my question is more as a supplier to that industry, similar to as you're a supplier for a lot of those robotic systems. Is this a potential business opportunity for you as a supplier if that industry matures? Because I can imagine if you are using it for those kinds of industrial use cases, then quality and making sure the humanoid doesn't break down is going to be similar to the value that you add for other industrial applications where you're a small dollar amount, but, you know, a critical portion for functionality.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, well, you know, I think, you know, today we supply bearings for robotics that are in some pretty sophisticated ways. applications where there's either high temperature or vacuum or a little bit of both producing computer chips. And the way this always starts is somebody that's designing a robot doesn't have any production volume and will go to one of our distributors and buy one of our bearings and use it in their prototype. And once it proves out, and they start getting into production, they'll continue to use that distributor until production gets to a certain rate. And then they'll trace back to the manufacturer, or we'll find out about it from our distributor that this is an OEM that's using considerable amount of volume. And that's how every one of these markets is developed.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

And do you see this as an exciting market?

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

You know, I really haven't thought that much about it. You know, I think I think Elon Musk thinks it's an exciting market because he thinks cars are less of an exciting market. Right. So he's going to turn Tesla into a humanoid robot machine. And I guess I guess that works. Right.

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Christine Lalac
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great, thank you. Maybe we'll spend another time talking more about that, but thank you for your thoughts today.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Okay, thanks, Christine.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. At this time, we've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'll turn the floor back to management for closing remarks.

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Dr. Hartnett
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer

Okay, well, I think that ends our conference call for today. I'd like to thank everybody for their participation, and I guess our job now is to go back to work and make the third quarter happen. So thanks again.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. We thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.

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