Rubicon Technologies, Inc.

Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call


spk01: Good afternoon and welcome to the Rubicon Technologies First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Abby and I will be your operator for today's call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again press star 1. Thank you. It is now my pleasure to introduce Chris Spooner, Executive Vice President of Finance. You may begin.
spk03: Thank you. Hello everyone and welcome to Rubicon's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. A few quick reminders before we begin. This call is being webcast and can be accessed on the Investors section of our website, which can be found at Today we will present Rubicon's financial results for the first quarter 2023, which will be followed by a question and answer session. During the call, management will be making forward-looking statements that are subject to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and our actual results may differ materially due to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, as discussed in greater detail in our earnings release and our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Additionally, we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures during our call today, including adjusted gross profit and adjusted EBITDA. We provide these non-GAAP results for informational purposes and they should not be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures. The discussion of why we believe these non-GAAP measures are useful to investors, certain limitations of using these measures, and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measure can be found in our earnings release and our filings with the SEC. Joining me on the call today are Phil Radone, Rubicon's Chief Executive Officer, and Kevin Tubert, President and Chief Financial Officer. With that, I will now turn the call over to Phil.
spk06: Thank you, Chris, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. Before I begin, I would like to take a moment to commend the Rubicon team on achieving a fantastic quarter. In Q1, we were able to achieve record high quarterly gross profit and adjusted gross profit, continue to grow top-line revenue at a strong pace, and reduce costs as we move closer to profitability. Every Rubicon team member has played a role in the execution of our Bridge to Profitability plan and I want to thank everyone for their continued hard work as we get closer to achieving this milestone on our way to profitability and beyond. We will provide more details of our strategic plan later in the call, but for those who are new to the Rubicon story, I will begin by taking a few minutes to describe the company and the work we do with our customers and partners. Rubicon was founded over a decade ago and has grown to become a global leader in providing cloud-based waste and recycling solutions to businesses and governments. The company manages waste and recycling services for a network of waste generators, fleets of waste haulers, and waste and recycling processors. In addition, Rubicon provides innovative solutions that deliver greater transparency, efficiency, and customer engagement within the waste management industry. Prior to Rubicon, customers had to coordinate their waste and recycling needs with multiple vendors, most of which focused on the use of landfills and had little to no reporting capabilities. This inefficient process made it virtually impossible to have a unified corporate diversion program or unified commodity management process. Furthermore, there was no way to track or report landfill diversion or waste-related environmental, social, and governance metrics, which have become increasingly important for our customers and partners. Rubicon solutions address these industry challenges through a suite of transformative artificial intelligence and computer vision technology products, which deliver better service management, data analytics, and reporting. Working with Rubicon, our customers can easily procure services, optimize their service schedule, and monitor and report on their ESG performance. Today, Rubicon has achieved significant scale, surpassing 13 million unique service locations and 8,000 haulers and recyclers, with the ability to manage over 160 types of waste streams. As our network and platform capabilities continue to grow, our customers benefit from better pricing, a broader service offering, diversion capabilities, and improved performance. For businesses that generate waste, we properly align incentives by providing an expanded array of solutions to divert more material from landfills. Rubicon's extraction of commodities from the waste stream can even enable the conversion of customers' waste cost lines into revenue-generating opportunities. In addition, our fleet customers can use Rubicon's platform to find new business opportunities, many of which are exclusive to our proprietary platform. Our technology also provides -to-use fleet management and route optimization solutions and access to a buying consortium where fleets can purchase products and services at discounts, such as fuel, parts, tires, and insurance. These benefits can help fleet customers save time and money, and for our city and municipal fleet customers have resulted in taxpayer savings. In fact, our solution for municipal fleets, known as Rubicon Smart City, is one of our fastest-growing products. Our proprietary technology helps cities run faster, smarter, and more efficiently through more effective waste, recycling, and heavy-duty municipal fleet operations. Our software not only helps drivers become more time-efficient with their routes, it also captures and sends information back to city employees, which can improve response times for issues like blocked bins, mixed pickups, recycling contamination, and illegal dumping. All this can lead to increased citizen satisfaction, lower carbon operations, improved driver safety and morale, and substantial cost savings for municipal operators. With this understanding of Rubicon services and platform in mind, I want to take a moment to walk you through how Rubicon makes money. Our platform primarily generates revenue via three sources. First, our revenues are reflective of all the waste and recycling services that transact over our platform. We make a margin based on the difference between the price at which we sell our services to our waste generator customers and the price at which we're able to procure those services from within our hauler network. As we drive hauler density within markets and as we leverage our technology to optimize service levels for waste generators, Rubicon's marketplace margins improve. Secondly, Rubicon monetizes the commodities pulled from the waste and recycling streams for our customers, which otherwise may have ended up in the landfill. Through this process, we are able to earn higher margins by providing unique value to our customers and turning prior costs into revenue, and by adding predictability and quality of supply to processor volumes. It is worth noting that we structure our agreements with waste generators and processors such that we do not assume exposure to commodity price risk at the adjusted gross profit level. Further, our contracts often feature incentives for achieving certain environmental outcomes to align our interests with our customers. As we drive positive environmental outcomes, our margins improve. Finally, whether a customer is a waste generator or fleet, Rubicon charges constituents a monthly software subscription fee for access to our proprietary platform. Turning to the operations side of the business, Rubicon continued to expand the Connect marketplace with the addition of new clients including Vail Properties, Gold Aller Real Estate Investments, Acuity Brands, and others throughout the first quarter of 2023. Rubicon sees an increasing need to centralize and digitize workflows related to the collection of waste and recycling. Our platform provides a one-stop solution for clients to order, manage, and track sustainability metrics through a single portal. We also continue to see growth in our commodity sales, such as OCC, highlighted by the addition of Southeast Grocers to our portfolio. Southeast Grocers joins our other commodities clients who are able to take advantage of special commodities rates that normally would be unattainable as one-off sites but are achieved by leveraging our vast network. We also had some notable wins for our Smart City product. In April, we announced a new three-year partnership with the City of Miami, Florida to help enhance its residential waste and recycling services with Rubicon Smart City technology. Rubicon will help the City's Department of Solid Waste transition from largely manual and paper-based processes to a fully digital operation as part of Miami's resilience planning efforts. The City will use Rubicon's technology to balance its waste and recycling routes to streamline collection, track material and tonnage on its bulky trash routes, and to reduce missed pickups and unnecessary go-backs. We are also happy to announce that our Smart City snow removal technology helped our partner in the city of Kansas City, Missouri, win the American Public Works Association Excellence in Snow and Ice Control Award for 2023. The award is based on a number of criteria, including innovation, resourcefulness and effectiveness in dealing with winter weather events. Rubicon Smart City's snow removal technology powered the City's 300 snow vehicles through the 2021 and 2022 and 2022 and 2023 snow seasons, which included five major snow events. We were honored to help Kansas City win this award and look forward to our continued success together. And lastly, in May, we announced Rubicon entered into a three-year Rubicon Smart City partnership with the City of Atlanta. Rubicon Smart City software will help Atlanta enhance its operations to become a fully digital function with a focus on route optimization, digital route sheets, digital workflows, tracking exceptions in the field, improved routing for the City's bulky waste pickup drivers, and street sweeping. We are excited once again to work with Atlanta, the site of the company's former headquarters and where the Rubicon Smart City product was born. We look forward to helping all of our Connect and Smart City customers achieve their sustainability and efficiency goals. I will now turn the call over to Kevin to provide a review of the first quarter as well as a financial update and 2023 outlook.
spk05: Thanks, Phil. I'll now take a few minutes to review our results from the first quarter of 2023 compared to the first quarter of 2022. Rubicon generated approximately $181 million of revenue in the first quarter. This was an increase of $21 million or 13% compared to the first quarter of 2022. This growth was driven primarily by strength in our Rubicon Connect product as well as continued growth of our SaaS business. This strong growth was achieved despite negative commodity price impact of approximately $10 million in the first quarter. Adjusted gross profit in the first quarter was approximately $16 million, an increase of $3 million or 23% compared to the first quarter of 2022, and was our highest quarterly adjusted gross profit ever, beating the second best by 14%. The increase was primarily driven by the Rubicon Connect product as we are beginning to experience efficiencies from the margin enhancement actions we have taken over the last few months, and we expect to see these efficiencies accelerate as the year progresses. In addition, we also experienced another quarter of growth in our SaaS product. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was negative $14 million. It is worth noting, however, that the adjusted EBITDA figure still includes an additional $2.5 million of non-recurring items which have not been adjusted for. These items relate to expenses resulting from the business combination and strategic shift. As of the end of the first quarter, the company had $10.5 million of cash on the balance sheet and approximately $9.1 million undrawn and available under the revolver. We are proud of the steady improvements that have already made a material impact on results and are confident in executing the remaining steps on our bridge to profitability to hit our goals at the end of this year. One of these goals, as we've discussed on prior calls, is to increase liquidity and financial flexibility for the company. As part of this final step in the process, we have secured an incremental equity financing package led by our largest shareholder. And though there's no guarantee we will be able to successfully close the refinancing, we are in the final stages of securing a comprehensive refinancing package which we hope to be able to discuss in the near future. Looking forward to the remaining three quarters of 2023, we expect to be in line with the guidance we gave on our last call and remain confident in our ability to generate positive adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter as well as for the full year 2024. We will now give an update on the key strategies we are implementing to achieve these projections.
spk06: Thank you, Kevin. We believe Rubicon's industry-leading service experience for waste generators, fleets, and processors is strategically well positioned as the definitive platform to enable the elimination of waste in years to come. In support of this success, our efforts have been focused on three primary areas. First, we are thoughtfully and diligently executing on our bridge to profitability plan. Second, we are increasing our financial flexibility through additional equity financing and our debt recapping efforts, as Kevin mentioned. And third, we have been curtailing lower return investments and capturing payroll and non-payroll cost reductions throughout the organization. These combined efforts have led to our highest ever quarterly adjusted gross profit, increasing revenues and annualized cost reductions to date of over $28 million. While we have made substantial progress, the job is not yet complete and we continue to focus our efforts on profitability. We expect additional improvements to our margins achieved through increased sales of our higher margin SaaS products such as Rubicon Smart City and increased prices of select services in line with the broader waste industry, while continuing to drive superior economic outcomes for our waste generator customers through service optimization and revenue generating recycling programs. We have also been successful in obtaining volume-based rebates amongst key vendors and we have selectively high-graded our portfolio to remove underperforming accounts which have compressed margins and hurt our profitability. As discussed last quarter, Rubicon has made material progress in reducing our SG&A expenses across the company. The actions included traditional efficiency improvements like outsourcing of back office functions, select payroll and non-payroll expense reductions such as cutting excess software and third-party services, and centralizing licensing and procurement processes. The actions have also included the strategic use of artificial intelligence-based systems in our operations. For example, we will be deploying a large language model, chat GPT-like system, to automatically process inbound work order requests, thereby reducing the need for employees to perform repetitive data entry tasks and freeing up their time to provide more value-added services. Combined these efforts have resulted in over $28 million in annualized cost savings, which is an additional $16 million of savings identified since our last call. The progress we have accomplished to date has furthered the confidence we have in our ability to achieve positive adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of this year, while expanding our adjusted gross profit margins to within the low double-digit range. And we remain confident in our ability to be cashflow positive this year. I am excited by the prospects and opportunities that lie ahead of us. We have invested in scaling our business and today we work with over 8,000 haulers, manage over 13 million unique service locations, and are now analyzing over 1 million images per day for insights related to municipal waste streams and infrastructure. As a result of our breadth of service, we are positioned to begin to take greater advantage of our platform scale. To elaborate, we have a strategic advantage in leveraging our existing relationships with partners and customers to increase our share of wallet amongst our current waste generator clients. Additionally, we can enhance our profit margins by offering solutions across the more than 160 different material types that are already handled on our platform, the majority of which feature better margin profile than municipal solid waste services. As previously mentioned, our high margin smart city business has doubled in size year over year and we anticipate that growth will continue. We have primarily sold to municipalities that manage their own fleets within the U.S. market. And in the past, we intentionally limited ourselves while we focused on building sales channels, international support capabilities, and developing functionality for commercial fleets, including billing and invoicing. However, even with these limitations, we managed to double our SaaS-based business last year while maintaining adjusted gross profit margins over 70%. This year, we look forward to expanding our SaaS business beyond municipalities and into commercial fleets, both internationally and domestically. Strategically, our marketplace and SaaS products support each other as they expand. For example, our expanded digital marketplace enables us to offer more material solutions, which then attracts more haulers and fleets. This provides us with more opportunities to sell our SaaS-based solutions and the more data we collect through these interactions, the more we can offer new and innovative products and services. For instance, in our smart city product today, we use image data to create artificial intelligence and computer vision models that can detect contamination in the waste stream, illegal dumping, overfilled bins, and can confirm when service has been provided. This feedback loop has been so successful that our clients have requested that we support other fleet types, such as snowplows and street sweepers, to confirm when routes are being swept or plowed. As I said last quarter, and continue to firmly believe, the future growth and product opportunities for our company are only limited by our imaginations. By leveraging our resources, building strong partnerships, and continuously pushing the spirit will continue to drive us forward, leading to new horizons and unexplored possibilities. As we work towards our goals, I'm excited to see what the future holds and the impact we can make on the industry and the world at large. Thank you for continuing this journey with us, and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming quarters. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator who can open the line for questions.
spk01: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We have our first question from Maria Ripps from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
spk00: Great. Congrats on strong numbers here, and thanks for taking my questions. First, it seems like you've been seeing nice momentum with your Smart City offering. Can you maybe just talk about some of the core capabilities that are attracting new clients and maybe remind us whether there is a variable component to your pricing framework for that offering?
spk06: Sure. Thank you for the question. The core capabilities from a Smart City perspective, think of it as the base of it is a fleet and telematic management system. On top of that, what you added on it specifically for cities is the ability to add in what you call infrastructure monitoring. Things like are there potholes, is there graffiti, is there broken curb cuts or street lamps, the ability to flag for those additional things that are actually happening within the city that can be made aware either automatically through the computer vision technology that we have or be flagged by the drivers as they're going about their routes. The cities look at it as a twofold benefit. One is we're going to help them make their operations that much more efficient. We can help them with the routing and the optimization of those routes. You can actually bring in some other environmental data about what's actually happening in your city at the same time. Those are the core capabilities of the Smart City system. In terms of the variable costs associated with providing that, it's really more the direct variable class about the cellular services that you will or the devices that we actually deploy within the field. Those are the true variable costs associated with that.
spk00: Got it. That's very helpful. Then maybe more broadly, could you talk about what type of customer response you saw to price increases that you implemented on select services last quarter? How are you thinking about your capacity for future price increases from here?
spk06: First, the context on that I would say is that the price increases that we put forth last year were actually more, I would consider them more a catch up to what the industry has already done. If you look at what waste management or Republic Services will have done, they published what their price increases are. I think we're just more keeping pace with what's in the industry. On top of that, I would say there are certain customers that we have when we go with this is what we talk about, kind of high grading the portfolio. There are certain customers that we're operating either at a loss or just barely at break even. Those are conversations with those customers to actually make sure that we're providing the right level of services. Can we expand into other kind of commodity based services along the way? I would say just really kind of expanding the pie a little bit in terms of the service capabilities and offerings we can bring to those customers. In terms of the future, I would think that from a pure pricing free standpoint that we would certainly keep pace with the industry at large. That's fairly standard within the industry. As we've always said, we deepen our relationships with our clients over time. As we handle those additional 160 different types of services or materials that are out there, all of those materials typically have a better margin profile than the classic municipal solid waste. I think the opportunity to grow within the existing base is core to our strategy. We anticipate being able to hit our numbers based on that.
spk00: That's very helpful. Thank you for the call.
spk01: Your next question comes from the line of Stephanie Moore from Jeffreys. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hi, good morning. Thank you. It might be just kind of a start. Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing on the recycling side of your business? I think it's helpful that on the top line it can be a little bit more volatile given the underlying commodity pressures. But made up for that on the adjusted gross profit line. But maybe just talk a little bit about the demand you're seeing from just continuing to offer that service when it comes to managing recyclable commodities. Thank you.
spk03: Yeah, thanks for the question, Stephanie. So you're right. There was some pricing pressure in our revenues year over year. There's about a 63% decrease in the average price of recyclable commodities that we saw. And so with that, there was actually a little bit of underlying volume growth in our commodities business even amidst these market trends. As you probably recall, we don't have exposure at the gross profit level to these pressures in commodity pricing. And so we remained insulated at that adjusted gross profit level from these pricing pressures. But I think what's so compelling about the Rubicon business model is it's an environmental proposition that's built from the ground up with an economic value proposition. And so as we divert these materials from the landfill, we're actually reducing waste costs for our customers and we're turning these into a revenue line. And so again, even in a down market, this is a value proposition that resonates with our customers. And particularly in a recessionary market, people are looking to cut costs and improve their P&L in any way they can. And it makes the recycling proposition all the more compelling.
spk05: Yeah. I would just add, Stephanie, that for a lot of our customers, they're looking to go on a zero waste or close to a journey for a number of our large customers. It's important to them. And that is important to them above and beyond pure price. They're looking to really continue their recycling and continue their zero waste journey, regardless of that revenue. Bringing that revenue and offsetting their costs is a great benefit, obviously, but it's not the sole purpose for a lot of our customers. So they're going to continue to do it, regardless of the pricing that we're seeing in the market.
spk02: Got it. Understood. So then maybe as a follow up and taking that a step further, I think you called out targeting clearly an improvement in your adjusted gross profit margin. So my first is clarification. I think you said eventually targeting a low double digits range, but even just breaking that out. Could you maybe kind of walk through what are the puts and takes to achieve that target over time? What do we need to see from the commodity business? What do we need to see from the SaaS side? And then is there room for improvement also on that lower margin, MSW customer base too? So clarification and also kind of longer term, how do we get to that target? Thank you.
spk03: Yeah, so I think first of all, you are seeing some significant margin improvement in the core MSW product for Rubicon. That's largely what we addressed through the price increases that we discussed during the first quarter and will continue to over the course of the year. But we believe as we continue to drive value in the commodity segments with the reporting, with our ability to generate higher premiums by aggregating these volumes across our customer base, we'll be able to improve the margins even in the commodity markets as well. As you mentioned, the SaaS business continues to grow significantly. That accounts on a net basis and so it's effectively 100% adjusted gross profit margin. And so as the SaaS business continues to scale at the rapid pace that it is, that's going to help drive our blended adjusted gross profit margins into those double digits.
spk05: Yeah, and I would just add, I mean, to confirm, I mean, absolutely that is still where we see it going and it really is just going to be a combination of the three. Obviously, we don't break out the SaaS business yet. But as that becomes a larger piece of our business, obviously, that is obviously a high margin area. And then as we continue to grow in the recycling areas and to bring on more material types for our customers, that's going to drive incremental margin too. So I think you're kind of getting, I think you've seen, as Chris alluded to, you're kind of seeing a nice bit of increase already from the efficiency measures. There's definitely more to go. We are still kind of going through our portfolio, so we're not done. So there is more to go there. But then you're also going to see, I would say, you're kind of almost equally now between more efficiency measures in the portfolio as well as continued growth on recycling as well as the growth of SaaS business as we look towards the end of the year.
spk02: Excellent. And then just lastly for me, can you maybe talk a little bit about the M&A environment and maybe your appetite for M&A as we look to the second half of this year and into 2024? Thanks.
spk06: Yeah, thanks for the question. But yeah, I think as always, we're kind of really kind of focused on kind of growing our organic business, making sure we're as operationally efficient as possible. M&A, as I always say, will be opportunistic if a deal comes across our desk that it actually makes sense and that is within our ability to kind of pull it down. We would certainly kind of approach it. But again, our core focus is really on growing our organic business and making sure that we're as efficient as possible.
spk05: Yeah, and I mean, to your question though, Stephanie, we definitely are still keeping our pipeline warm. We keep in contact with a lot of potential targets. So we still have that out there and available to us. And frankly, the list of potential targets is growing. And frankly, we feel like there will be a time. It's just a matter of when will be the right time to start pulling down on that. Because as Phil mentioned, there is still we feel like a time of opportunity in the core business, right? And we're focused on really making sure the core business is running as well as possible and to make sure that we're as strong as possible from a liquidity perspective as well. Once we achieve that, then yeah, absolutely we'll be turning to M&A. So we're keeping close tabs on a lot of different potential targets.
spk02: Got it. No, understood. Really appreciate the time. Thanks, everybody.
spk01: Your last question comes from the line of Brett Noblock from Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe to start, I know you guys outlined a kind of more than 8,000 haulers on the network or on the marketplace, and you're still seeing strong growth there. I think that more than 8,000 number has remained pretty steady over the last few quarters. Can you maybe help quantify what type of growth you're seeing in just the number of haulers and recyclers on the platform?
spk06: Yeah, that's a great question. And thank you, Brett, for it. So in terms of the 8,000, so if you think about this, this is the network that allows us to kind of service our waste generator customers effectively across the United States. Right. And so for us, I'm not really all that concerned with kind of growing the overall number that are servicing us across the United States. You know, effectively, we curate that number. So if you have good haulers in particular territories, you kind of, you know, kind of double down with them. And if you need to make a replacement somewhere else, you'll do that accordingly. So, you know, the core for us is not necessarily kind of increasing that 8,000 number any higher. We're already able to kind of serve robustly across every kind of corner of the United States, our customers with that network. And it's really about kind of having deeper relationships with them. You know, I think the next step for us is really about, you know, how can we kind of broaden the engagement within that hauler base? And so we start talking about thinking of selling kind of our Rubicon Pro or our SaaS based product within that network. I think that's important. And another thing is they can maybe they can participate in our Rubicon Select program, which they buy in consortium where those haulers can actually save money on fuel, parts and tires, etc. I think that's another thing that we would be kind of making sure that we kind of make great inroads with that with that hauler base. But again, in short, it's not the absolute number really isn't important. It's about the coverage that you have across the United States. And we have that with the number we have.
spk04: Perfect. Thanks. We appreciate it. And then I guess, can you maybe just help bridge the gap to, I guess, to pass a double digit adjusted gross profit margins? I guess, if you're looking at where the business is at today to getting there, how much of that is coming from, say, higher revenues coming from SaaS or versus maybe core business margin expansion? And I guess within that core gross margin expansion, I guess, what's really driving that as well?
spk06: Right. I think, you know, Kevin, you just touched on this previously, but I think it's from kind of all those measures that we've taken. Right. So the price increases relative to the business on the on the connect side. It's certainly kind of a growth and expansion within the high margin, the higher margin kind of smart city kind of business as well. And it's the kind of the the increasing kind of amounts that we're actually getting on the kind of the commodity services side. So I think, you know, really, it's equal contribution across across the board and the three things, you know, as we go on. So those are the core kind of tenants of actually how we bring in money to the company. And we in turn, we certainly expect to make kind of good progress in each one of them. Were there price
spk04: increases sort of across the board or, you know, I guess you're two largest customers. I guess did they see similar price increases relative to the rest of your customer base?
spk06: Yeah, but yeah, we've done, you know, broadly speaking, and I won't speak to any one particular client, but broadly speaking, we went through the entire book of business to make sure that we're again part of it was as I mentioned, kind of keeping pace with what the broader industry had done. So, you know, certainly it was kind of it was a broad based kind of adjustment, if you will, based on kind of current micro prevailing prices as you we've all been through the inflationary market for the last couple of years. And so really was about kind of keeping pace and getting back to pace with some of that and then really kind of going back. We talk about kind of high grading the portfolio as well, looking at where did we have certain customers that we were unable to either kind of put forth the kind of the appropriate level of price changes or we really didn't have a path forward with them relative to kind of increasing commodities, increasing their diversion rates, which also helps them as well as ourselves. There are some clients where we just were unable to do that. So when we talk about high grading our portfolio, that's what those are some of the on that.
spk05: Yeah, and I would just add that we were we were pretty mindful as we went through the portfolio, right? We were we were going through it and looking at each client individually, where they at the value we provide the relationship, right? Where it's been, obviously, where they're currently priced, the market, all those things and sort of making decisions. So it was really we really did it, you know, with with an eye towards being really making making sure we're being mindful and thinking about where prices sort of need to be given the environment we're in and what's been going on, but also making sure we're priced appropriately going forward to kind of grow the relationships as well.
spk04: Perfect. And then maybe if I could just ask one more on just the smart city to like my wins announced, I guess, since the quarter ended, I guess, what are you seeing in terms of the pipeline there? You know, I guess just by looking at your website, you now have more than 80 cities kind of deploying your smart city solution. I guess are you seeing maybe momentum pick up? Is there like a snowball effect? Is one city deployed that, you know, encouraging others to deploy as well?
spk06: No, it's a great question. Thank you, Brett. So certainly we have seen momentum kind of increase, you know, over the years and frankly, kind of quarter to quarter. And you're exactly right. So I think, you know, from a city perspective, one one particular area you have to think of almost like kind of an anchor tenant in the mall. So once somebody converts, you know, kind of the areas around that, you know, suddenly become more interested from a city perspective. You know, these are all, you know, as you can imagine, these are all kind of tech networks. These are mayors and supervisors and fleet operators at all. You know, it's a small world. They all know each other. And so when they, you know, one one has had great success with us and that, you know, that kind of gets out. And I think we're reaping the benefits of that. Got
spk04: it. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys.
spk06: Thank you.
spk01: We have no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Mr. Radani for final remarks.
spk06: Well, again, appreciate everybody's time and for joining us today. And thank you for continuing to kind of your interest in our in our journey so far. And we look forward to keeping you updated and apprised on our growth in the quarters to come. So thank you,
spk01: everyone. This now concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.

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