10/2/2019

speaker
Hilda
Host

Welcome to the RPM International Conference Call for the Fiscal 2020 First Quarter. Today's call is being recorded. This call is also being webcast and can be accessed live or replayed on the RPM website at .rpminc.com. Comments made on this call may include forward-looking statements based on current expectations that involve risk and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to be materially different. For more information on these risk uncertainties, please review RPM's report filed with the SEC. During this conference call, references may be made to non-GAAP financial measures. To assist you in understanding these non-GAAP terms, RPM has posted reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures on the RPM website. Following today's presentation, there will be a -and-answer session, at which time, if you wish to ask a question, you'll need to press star, then 1 on your telephone. Please note that only financial analysts will be permitted to ask questions. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to RPM's Chairman and CEO, Mr. Frank Sullivan, for opening remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Hilda. Good morning and welcome to the RPM International Inc. Investor Call for our Fiscal 2020 First Quarter, ended August 31, 2019. On the call with me today are Rusty Gordon, RPM's Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Matt Ratajek, our Vice President of Global Tax and Treasury, who is leading our investor relations function. I'll provide some high-level commentary on our first quarter results and an update on our 2020 Map to Growth Operating Improvement Plan. Then Matt will review the first quarter numbers in more detail. Rusty will wrap up our prepared remarks with our outlook for the remainder of Fiscal 2020, after which we'll be happy to answer your questions. The benefits of our 2020 Map to Growth Operating Improvement Plan, which really began to take hold over the fourth quarter of last year, carried over into the first quarter of Fiscal 2020 and generated significant earnings leverage. Initiatives that proved particularly beneficial included actions to rationalize our manufacturing and distribution footprint, improve production processes, and strengthen our supplier relationships through center-led procurement. In particular, during the first quarter, we announced the closure of three additional plants, which brings our total to 15, out of 31, which are targeted for the total program. Additionally, we continue to streamline our workforce with approximately 80 additional reductions, which brings our total over the course of restructuring to slightly more than 600. On a consolidated basis, we realized 2020 Map to Growth savings in the first quarter that totaled $26 million, $7 million for manufacturing and operations, $7 million for procurement, and $12 million from G&A, all of which flowed through our P&L. These efforts resulted in an increased adjusted EBIT of .3% and adjusted diluting earnings per share of 25% over the prior year quarter, which exceeds our guidance despite modest sales growth in the quarter, which we had anticipated. This was the direct result of three factors. Number one, the decision to exit low-margin product lines and businesses as we pursue a -over-volume strategy in certain businesses. For the fiscal 2020 year, this will reduce revenues by approximately $40 million in total. Also, we had an extremely wet June that slowed painting and construction activity, which particularly impacted our consumer segment and our construction products group. And sluggish international markets, particularly in Europe, coupled with unfavorable foreign exchange impact on a transactional and translational basis. I should note that the improvement and EBIT margins are not just contained in one or two segments, but were spread across the entire enterprise, which demonstrates the breadth and effectiveness of our 2020 Map to Growth operating improvement program across RPM. We continue to have a positive outlook on the outcomes of a restructuring program, and as a result, repurchased approximately $100 million of our common shares during the quarter. This was in addition to the $200 million we repurchased during fiscal 2019. When combined with the $200 million cash redemption of our convertible notes in November of 2018, we are approximately halfway to our 2020 Map to Growth goal of repurchasing a billion dollars of our stock. I'll now turn the call over to Matt Ratachek for a more detailed review of our financial results in the quarter.

speaker
Matt Ratajek
Vice President of Global Tax and Treasury

Thanks, Frank, and good morning, everyone. Before walking through our financial review, I would like to remind you of two changes that we communicated in our last earnings release on July 22nd. First, beginning this quarter, there was a change in classification of shipping costs paid to third-party shippers. We recast these costs from SG&A in the cost of goods sold. This change puts us in line with how our peers and most other manufacturers classify shipping costs and provides investors with a better point of comparison. It does not impact EBIT. And second, we realign the business into four reportable operating segments from our previous three operating segments. The new operating segments are the construction products group, performance coatings group, consumer group, and specialty products group. The goals of this change are twofold. To position the business for accelerated growth and to also provide our investors with greater visibility into the company while providing better comparability among our peers. Starting with this first quarter, we are reporting our results under this four-segment structure. We are providing comparable fiscal 2019 financials that have been recast to reflect both the change in classification of shipping costs and the effect of the segment realignment. Next, I will walk through our financial results for the quarter. Please note that my comments will be on an as-adjusted basis. During the quarter, we achieved record consolidated net sales of $1.47 billion compared to the $1.46 billion reported during the first quarter of fiscal 2019. Organic sales growth was nearly flat. Acquisitions contributed .3% to sales or $34.1 million. While foreign exchange was once again a headwind that reduced sales by .3% or $19.5 million. As Frank indicated, our strong bottom line performance was primarily driven by our operating improvement initiatives which generated significant earnings leverage. Also contributing to the bottom line was the margin recovery resulting from last year's price increases. While material costs were up slightly, then we experienced increased costs for labor. First quarter EBIT increased .3% to $192.6 million and diluted EPS increased 25% to $0.95 per diluted share from $0.76 per diluted share a year ago. The combination of our share repurchases and last year's convertible bond retirement resulted in $0.05 per diluted share accretion for the quarter. Now turning to our segments. Sales in our construction products group increased .6% to $536.1 million during this year's first quarter. Primarily driven by acquisition growth of .4% resulting from the Nudura and Shul transactions. Organic growth added .7% while foreign exchange reduced sales by 1.5%. This segment also benefited from strong performance for our basement waterproofing solutions business as well as recovery in our Brazilian operation which generated significant sales growth. Impacting our North American businesses in this segment were labor shortages and junior conditions that delayed construction activity. Additionally, sales were discontinued in certain product lines and geographies as a result of strategic decisions to exit low margin, high risk working capital operations. Segment EBIT increased .1% or $16.3 million to $86.9 million. The improvement in EBIT was substantially driven by savings from our restructuring program including management delayering, plant rationalization, and improved manufacturing disciplines. Sales in our performance coatings group were $297.2 million. Organic growth was 0.4%. Acquisitions added .8% while foreign exchange reduced sales by 1.9%. Despite modest sales growth, savings from our 2020 map to growth plan provided significant earnings leverage in this segment. EBIT increased 31% to $36.9 million during the first quarter of fiscal 2020. The performance coatings group generated the highest earnings growth out of all of our segments during this quarter driven by reduction in its operating footprint and strategic decisions to exit low margin businesses. The segment also benefited from management delayering as it executes a reorganization towards a global brand management structure. In the consumer group, sales were $479.3 million during the first quarter of fiscal 2020. Organic sales increased .1% while acquisition growth contributed 1.3%. Foreign currency translation reduced sales by 1%. Segment sales were dampened by four factors. First, a difficult comparison to the prior year due to load-ins. Second, a soft economy in the UK related to Brexit. Third, rainy weather in June. And fourth, deferred promotional activity by big box retailers. EBIT was $61.7 million, an increase of .6% over the prior year. The consumer group's improvement in EBIT was largely due to a favorable -over-year comparison resulting from $10 million in associated costs from legal settlements during the first quarter of fiscal 2019. Additionally, segment results in the first quarter were impacted by confluence of factors. As part of our Map to Growth program, which we kicked off over one year ago, we reduced headcount and rationalized our manufacturing footprint. These initiatives led to bottom-line savings. However, greater than expected market share gains at the end of FY19 led to elevated costs incurred by outsourcing production in order to service this increased demand. As a result, we are investing in new equipment, improving production methods, and leveraging our internal manufacturing network to provide increased capacity and produce more efficiently. The Specialty Products Group experienced sluggish demand in the OEM, manufacturing, and international markets it serves, which impacted the top line. Segment sales were .1% in the first quarter of fiscal 2020. Organic sales decreased .3% and foreign currency translation reduced sales by 0.8%. However, on the bottom line EBIT margin improved by 230 basis points during the quarter and EBIT increased by $2.2 million or .5% to $28.6 million. This was due to good cost discipline, manufacturing yield improvements, and restructuring activities from our 2020 Map to Growth program. Next, a few comments on cash flow and our effective income tax rate. During the fiscal 2020 first quarter, cash generated from operations was $145.1 million compared to cash used for operations of $7.1 million a year ago. This increase was due to improved earnings and margin improvement initiatives as well as a carryover impact from the prior year removal of certain early cash payment discounts, which effectively shifted approximately $100 million in receipts from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019 to the first quarter of fiscal 2020, which we discussed in our previous earnings release. Lastly, as expected, our effective income tax rate for the quarter was higher this year versus in the prior year's first quarter, which was impacted by more favorable discrete tax benefits. The higher effective tax rate resulted in lower diluted EPS of $0.05 as compared to last year's first quarter. I'll now turn the call over to Rusty for details on our outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2020.

speaker
Rusty Gordon
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Matt. As we look ahead to the second quarter of fiscal 2020, we expect to generate consolidated sales growth of 2 to 3%. We expect to leverage this sales growth to the bottom line for an estimated 20 to 24% adjusted EBIT growth, resulting in an adjusted diluted EPS in the low to mid $0.70 range. Looking ahead to our fiscal 2023 and fourth quarters, it is important to note the seasonality in our business. Historically, our third quarter provides our most modest results each year because it falls during the winter months of December through February when painting and construction activity slows due to cold and snowy weather. Our fourth quarter results are generally stronger as work begins to accelerate on painting and construction projects. Given our first quarter results and our expectations for the remainder of the fiscal year, we affirm the fiscal 2020 full year guidance we provided on July 22, 2019. Revenue growth is anticipated to be at the low end of our previously disclosed range of .5% to 4%. Despite the tightening of our revenue growth assumption, we expect to leverage the positive momentum of the 2020 map to growth operating improvement plan to our bottom line results. Therefore, we are maintaining our adjusted EBIT growth guidance in the 20 to 24% range as previously reported in July. We expect this to result in adjusted diluted EPS between $3.30 a share and $3.42 a share for the full year of fiscal 2020. This concludes our formal comments. At this point, we will be pleased to take your questions.

speaker
Hilda
Host

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star, then 1 on your touchstone phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press the pound sign or the hash key. If you are using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up the handset first before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1 on your touchstone phone. We have a question from John McNulty from BMO.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Good morning, John.

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John McNulty
Analyst, BMO

Good morning. Thanks, Frank, for taking my question and congratulations on some solid results. I guess a couple of questions. The first one would be, in the consumer business, it sounds like some of the new business that you had won has been big enough where you've actually had to outsource some of the production for that, at least. I guess how long do you expect that to last before you kind of right-size the business to the growth that you've won? And how should we think about the cost pressures that you're seeing and when they start to subside there?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. You'll start to see a meaningful improvement in the second quarter, and we're seeing it as we speak. The first quarter results for consumer are not indicative of what they're doing now or what they'll be doing for the balance of the year. We had two issues. Number one was significant market share gains throughout the year, starting in the first quarter of last year with the foot stains and finishes pick up. And then the second issue, quite candidly, was some self-inflicted wounds that resulted in some manufacturing issues. When you are closing plants and you are, as we are across RPM, instituting common manufacturing measurements and disciplines pretty aggressively across your businesses, and you've got a business, in this case, Rustoleum, that was operating near capacity, we caused some hiccups. So that resulted in outsourcing at significantly higher costs. Most of that is behind us, and we will be spending this year and into early next somewhere around $30 million in additional paint making and filling capacity to continue to meet the demands in the marketplace. So those are issues that negatively impacted our first quarter that really have a good story underneath them. And you will see somewhat higher sales growth and leverage to the bottom line on the EBIT line and consumer that's more consistent with the leverage you're seeing across RPM on a consolidated basis, starting in Q2.

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John McNulty
Analyst, BMO

Got it. That's helpful. And then with regard to Michael Sullivan, I know he started with you, I guess, now a few months ago. I guess any first impressions or thoughts on new opportunities around the Map to Growth program from him?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. So Mike Sullivan is off to a great start. Just to remind folks, he started officially in June. We have regularly scheduled board meetings starting this afternoon and tomorrow in our annual meeting of stockholders. He'll be presenting to our board and he'll be president of our stockholders meeting. And he's identifying some different areas and also completing the build out of the internal team that we need to continue the operating improvement and continuous improvement initiatives that we've undertaken at RPM. So I would expect us to see a phase out of what has been a significant month by month and quarter by quarter third party consulting cost as we get into calendar 2020. He's off to a great start.

speaker
John McNulty
Analyst, BMO

Great. And then maybe just one last question. It sounds like on the raw material front, it was maybe a little bit more benign than it had been in the prior couple of quarters, but not necessarily a surge in improvement. I guess how are you thinking about raw materials as we look out through the rest of the year, given that it looks like a lot of commodity prices really have rolled over recently?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. We are seeing some relief in major categories and that's partly reflected in our numbers. But we have continued to see some tariff and metal can impact. Those things should ease. Again, I would remind people that we're on a FIFO basis. So you're looking at raw material issues that we are dealing with 60 or 90 days ago that are showing up in our results today. So it is a much more benign environment than it's been over the past two years. The biggest part of the gross margin improvement and raw material improvement have been from the centralized procurement effort that we have undertaken in earnest.

speaker
John McNulty
Analyst, BMO

Great. Thanks a lot for the color.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, John.

speaker
Hilda
Host

Our next question comes from Fred Mish from Fermion Research.

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Aziza
Representative for Fred Mish, Fermion Research

Morning, Frank. Hi, guys. It's Aziza on for Frank.

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Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Hi, Aziza.

speaker
Aziza
Representative for Fred Mish, Fermion Research

Hi. First question, I was hoping to get some of the underlying expectations of the construction markets that underpin the EBIT and EPS forecasts.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

So the construction products group as a newly configured group over the past year under the leadership of Paul Hoongaboom and his team are off to a great start. And I think the results in the top line, which were up 3.6 percent, will reflect well when other similar companies put public there September 30 results. But we are exiting product lines and businesses that are lower margin. So that's having a negative effect. The flip side is the integration of Drive-It and New Dura into the construction products group of Euclid and Tremco is kick-starting some growth and efficiency there. And Paul has assembled a really good team. And we're really excited about what we're seeing there. I think when you look at Q1 and you're going to see more of the same in Q2, the former industrial segment of RPM, which was our lowest margin business, is now reporting as our performance coatings group and our construction products group. And you're seeing significant margin improvement in both. And the opportunities in both of those segments to consolidate some former independent businesses, save some cost and take a more global approach to their markets is pretty exciting.

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Aziza
Representative for Fred Mish, Fermion Research

Okay. Thank you for that. And you elaborated on some of the trends you saw through the month in this past quarter. Can you give some details by region or just the demand trends you're seeing you saw through September?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

I guess the only comment I would make about our start to the second quarter is the geographic trends aren't changing. Europe is not any better. The UK Brexit situation, if anything, is worse. Latin America is a mixed bag. Brazil is recovering nicely after nearly three years of challenges. On the flip side, Argentina, which is smaller for us but still an area where we have business in both industrial and consumer markets, is a mess. So that's a mixed bag. The last comment I'll make is if June was September, we would have had a better first quarter. The sun's shining and if you're in our consumer business or our construction products business, that's a good thing. It's only one month out of the quarter. But it certainly helped us. And it is part of the reason why we feel like in our forecast you'll see some slightly better sales numbers year over year in Q2 than we saw in Q1.

speaker
Aziza
Representative for Fred Mish, Fermion Research

Perfect. Thank you very much.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, Aziza.

speaker
Hilda
Host

We have a question from Rose Marie Morbelli from G Research. Thank

speaker
Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

you.

speaker
Hilda
Host

Good morning,

speaker
Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

everyone. Good

speaker

morning.

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Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

Frank, I was wondering if you could give us some details on the different underlying markets. You usually make comments generally on that particular subject, but today you didn't. So if you could, that would be helpful.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. I just commented a little bit geographically to Aziza. But in general, the geographic situation has not changed. The solid growth that we've been experiencing in North America for the last couple of years is still positive, but slowing down. So we're seeing a little bit slowdown in the construction markets, especially big projects. It impacts our construction products business somewhat less than some of our editors because we tend to have a broader focus on distribution that serves small to medium sized projects. Industrial capital spending seems to be slowing a little bit. And then the other comment I would make is with the strength of the dollar foreign exchange, both transactional and translational, we're ahead winning Q1 and we anticipate that in Q2 as well.

speaker
Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

So while the large construction projects are slowing, your main focus is on maintenance. So could you touch on the maintenance environment in terms of roofing, for example, et cetera? This is what I meant, not geography, but markets and markets.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Absolutely. And as I said, the construction products group had revenues up in the first quarter 3.6 percent. And that was despite the rainiest June in recent memory, which negatively impacted Tremco roofing, Drive It, some pretty sizable businesses in our construction products group. So you'll see, I think, some better growth numbers in the fall, in part related to weather. And I think there's good excitement there. We're taking some market share in certain places and the consolidation of Drive It in New Dura into the construction products group is opening up those product line and businesses to the broader sales force and distribution of Tremco sealants and Tremco roofing. So there's some good synergy, market synergy with this combination as well that I think will benefit us for the balance of fiscal 20.

speaker
Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

And then if I may, two questions on the anticipated savings of 290 million you were ahead in 2019, ahead of your expectations. Are you seeing additional savings now that you are behind? I mean, not behind, but you are done with 2019. And then as you are just about to have your board meetings, should we expect additional dividend increase? And can you remind us of your dividend policy?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. To answer both those questions, the dividend policy, we've increased our dividend for 45 consecutive years. And our board meets today and tomorrow. It is highly likely that we will increase our cash dividend to shareholders for our 46 consecutive year. I think it will be somewhat more modest than what we've done over the last three or four years where our dividend increases have been in the 7 or 8% range. In part reflecting the significant return of capital to our shareholders over the last nine months with our share repurchase program. And so, but I think it's highly likely that we will continue our dividend, consecutive dividend increases. It's a hallmark of RPM that we would hope to continue for a long time. And your second question, Rose-Marie?

speaker
Rose Marie Morbelli
Analyst, G Research

Any change in the target of 290 million in savings now that the first year, 2019, was ahead of schedule?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

No, we're highly confident in achieving the 290 million dollars of savings that we projected for our map to growth program and disclosed publicly on November 28th of last year. And we remain ahead of that curve. But as we communicated in the last quarter, it's likely that our absolute goals will be achieved 12 months or so later than we anticipated because of the lower growth levels that we and everybody around us are experiencing. But the map to growth program is continuing to build. We're building in our what's called a PMO. So building new projects. And we have good momentum. And one of our challenges is to keep that momentum up for the next 18 months.

speaker
Hilda
Host

Thank you.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

speaker
Hilda
Host

We have a question from Steve Byrne from Bank of America.

speaker
Steve Byrne
Analyst, Bank of America

Morning, Steve. Morning, Frank. You had put out a 16% EBIT margin target as part of this map to growth program. At this point, how would you assess your level of confidence on hitting that? Maybe the timing of that and whether you've gained any confidence in the last couple of quarters about potentially some new initiatives that you might engage in restructuring?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. So as I commented on an earlier question, our absolute goals, the billion dollars in EBIT and the related EBIT margin goal are probably 12 months out in terms of where we originally projected mostly because of the slower growth. But the map to growth initiatives themselves are ahead of schedule. We have a firm, just as one example, a different firm in looking at our indirect spend. And we're hopeful that that effort will add maybe somewhere in the $10 to $20 million range. That's relatively new. But we are chasing from a procurement perspective not only our significant raw materials, but paper cups and pencils if we can save money on it. And so we're continuing to find things that we can add to the pipeline and maintain the momentum of savings.

speaker
Steve Byrne
Analyst, Bank of America

And then just a couple of high level questions on your consumer segment versus where you were a year and a half ago before the Sherwin-Lowe's exclusivity deal went through. How would you assess your business with each of those two big box retailers now and how much of your consumer business is sold through e-commerce?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

A couple of questions. Number one, I think that our consumer business, a really good leadership, and we're continuing to do really well across all our customers and channels in cost and sealants, patch repair products. The Wood Stains and Finishes program is going well. And, you know, our relationships are strong. As I commented earlier, we had some self-inflicted hiccups in manufacturing. When you are aggressively pursuing the things that we're pursuing, we're going to stub our toe here and there, and it's for the right reasons. And so we have corrected that. That caused us to do some outsourcing, which hurt our margins. In terms of customers, I think we're solid with all our customers. The only specific comment I'll make is a year ago or a year and a half ago, we had commented in the big strategic issue of a competitor that that resulted in about a $22 million loss of business at Lowe's. As of the beginning of this summer, we've picked up 16 to 18 million of that lost business back at Rust-Oleum. So we're continuing to focus on serving our customers in the primary areas that are our expertise and strength, which is small project paint and spray paint, Wood Stains and Finishes, patch repair, clocks and sealants. I mentioned that. You know that. But those are our focus. We wake up every day and think about innovation and how to serve customers in those markets while we're competing with some major players who are principally architectural paint folks, which is not a space that we're much involved in.

speaker
Steve Byrne
Analyst, Bank of America

Any e-commerce for you, Frank?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, e-commerce. I would tell you in our consumer segment, it's probably $15 or $20 million. And it's our largest piece is with our largest customer. We do some through some online retailers. Interestingly enough, for instance, we actually sell some spray paint online. The nature of spray paint in terms of unit costs, in terms of shipping of a flammable good would not suggest that that's going to be a big category. But if there are orders at major customers or through some e-commerce folks, we'll fill them.

speaker
Steve Byrne
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank

speaker
Hilda
Host

you. The next question comes from Vincent Andrews from Morgan Stanley.

speaker
Steve Haynes
Representative for Vincent Andrews, Morgan Stanley

I have Steve Haynes on for Vincent. Quick question on maybe cash generation. Could you maybe just lay out how you're thinking about cash generation in 2020? I know there's 100 million kind of timing issue last year, but how do we think about the year over year kind of growth in free cash generation?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. So as you saw, we had a different fourth quarter cash generation at the end of fiscal 19 than we had done prior year. We had changed some of our approach in terms with suppliers as well as internally. And so what we ended up with was just a function of timing. And you saw that in our first quarter where we had a very strong cash generation in Q1. Some of that was just good strong execution. And a big chunk of that was timing difference between fourth quarter and first quarter. Over the life of the Map to Growth program, we expect to see 230 million and I think more of reductions in working capital versus the original base. And you'll see stronger cash generation both as we become more efficient on the plant floor, more efficient working capital. And have higher margins. And so we're on track for that. The hiccups to that in fiscal 20 are the significant cash costs of outside consulting firms, which will start to wind down after January 1. And an extraordinary amount between ERP implementations and some PP&E. I would guess about 70 or 80 million dollars of extra capex that as we get through Map to Growth will not be repeating. And so those are temporary. And other than that, our projections for improved cash flow are on target.

speaker
Steve Haynes
Representative for Vincent Andrews, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you. And then maybe just a quick follow up. There was a comment about deferred promotional activity at some of the big boxes. I guess you could just maybe give a little bit more color on that. And what was behind that if it was just maybe a timing thing or how to think about it? Just

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

the timing issue between Q4 and Q1 and Q2. And some of that relates to weather issues. And some of that relates to some of the manufacturing hiccups we had and our ability to pursue maybe some more aggressive sell-ins that we deferred because of those issues which are not behind us.

speaker
Steve Haynes
Representative for Vincent Andrews, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thanks, guys.

speaker
Hilda
Host

The next question comes from Kevin McCarthy from Vertical Research.

speaker
Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research

Yes. Good morning. Morning, Kevin. Frank, I think you alluded to $30 million of spending on capacity. And in your answer to the prior question, it sounded like there's going to be some temporarily elevated capex. So I guess my simple question would be what is your capital budget for fiscal 2020? And to the extent that you have visibility, how do you see that evolving going forward?

speaker
Rusty Gordon
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure, Kevin. This is Rusty here. In terms of fiscal 2020, we're expecting capex to be about $180 million, and about half of that is related to map to growth. So there's probably about $90 million of base capex and of the $90 million related to map to growth. Probably nearly half of that, maybe $40 million or so, is related to ERP consolidation that we're doing as we go down from 75 instances to four. And then the rest is production-related as we consolidate production and we have other cost reduction projects going on that involve capital investment as well.

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Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research

Okay. So that level does not seem dramatically different. That's a lot more than what you had previously contemplated. Is that correct? So these spends that you're referencing are essentially part of the plan? Is that a fair takeaway?

speaker
Rusty Gordon
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, that's right. Yeah. It should be exactly what we said in July.

speaker
Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research

Very good. And then my second question, I guess, to come back to consumer and the prepared remarks, I think you referenced four headwinds there, load-ins, the United Kingdom, June weather, and then some promotional activity related to the big boxes. But, you know, obviously June weather is behind you. Can you flush out the other three issues and maybe help clarify for us whether all of those are behind you or whether there are any lingering effects into the current quarter, if any?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

I will tell you, you should see better sales results, modestly better in the current quarter. The weather issue is not a problem in September and that's good. We can see it in consumer takeaway. We can see it in our construction products group. The European issue and the Brexit issue are not changing. You know, there's not as much foreign exchange impact in consumer as there is in our performance coatings group or construction products group, but it exists. That's not changing. And the hiccups that we had from a manufacturing perspective are mostly behind us. So from a cost perspective, we won't be incurring the same challenges that we had in Q1.

speaker
Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research

Okay. Thank you very much.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, Kevin.

speaker
Hilda
Host

The next question comes from Jeff Sikakis from JP Morgan.

speaker
Jeff Sikakis
Analyst, JP Morgan

Morning, Soka. Thanks, Frank. Oh, Jeff. No, this is Jeff. Good. Were your average prices up between one and one and a half percent in the quarter?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

More like two percent across RPM. Two

speaker
Jeff Sikakis
Analyst, JP Morgan

percent. Two percent. And U.S. interest rates have come down. Do you think that that's going to make a difference to the construction sector? That is, do you think even though you've got a little bit of slowing, you expect that to lift in its growth pattern? Or do you think because we're at such a low level of interest rates to begin with, it doesn't really make much difference?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

I, you know, we're not economists here, but I think from our perspective, the upside to us in the next year that we're not counting on, and this would be true for a lot of businesses, would be the elimination of a lot of the distractions around trade wars and tariffs. And, you know, there are things that could be corrected politically. If they're corrected, when you look at our first quarter, and I think you'll see similar results in Q2, the leverage that we're putting on our bottom line to modest sales growth is pretty solid. If we can find a way, and economic help would certainly be welcome, to generate another two or three percent of sales growth, you'd really see that bottom line sink. That's not in our forecast. We're not counting on it. But there is a scenario in which some of the economic disruptions out there globally get resolved or get better, and that could certainly pick up the housing market and the construction markets. And we're hopeful that that will happen, but it's not in our forecast for the year.

speaker
Jeff Sikakis
Analyst, JP Morgan

I realize that you had all kinds of weather events in the quarter, but was there organic volume growth in any of your businesses this quarter?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

I think the area where we had the best organic growth was in our construction products group, when you carve out the revenues that they are eliminating. And on a consolidated basis, we are going to shed about $40 million of revenues this year. But our corrosion control coatings business is having a rock-solid year. We just picked up the contract for the Eiffel Tower, which will be a nice piece of business for maybe as much as nine months. We are taking market share in a lot of places there. The TBS business of our construction products group, which is a below-grade and in many instances residential-level waterproofing, is having high single-digit revenue growth. And so there's a number of areas where we're doing well. The Cox sealants patch repair products business had organic growth of nearly 10%. Really good business there, and some of it's market share, some of it's a combination of kind of small contractor as well as DIY. So there's a lot of patches of good growth. The flip side is our specialty products group. You're not going to see in the rest of the year a lot of leverage to the bottom line. With nearly 18% EBIT margins, we don't have an EBIT margin problem there. We have a growth problem, and we're addressing that with some select investments and in some cases some leadership changes.

speaker
Jeff Sikakis
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay, great. Thank you so much.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

speaker
Hilda
Host

We have a question from Mike Sisson from Wells Fargo.

speaker
Mike Sisson
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Good morning, Mike. Hey, guys. Nice start to the year. Frank, when you look at your outlook for sales in 2020, given the environment, still doesn't seem easy, but if you do that, the low end 2.5%, pretty good achievement there. But can you maybe walk through some of the components? I know you'll have some pricing there, you'll have some acquisitions, effects will be a negative, and just want to get a clearer feel for what your volume outlook will be this year.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

So I think you'll see some better volume growth in consumer versus what we reflected in the first quarter. As I had commented earlier, we're seeing some nice pickups in some of the now being integrated construction products group companies, like New Dura and Drive It. And so I think for the balance of this year, we can pick up some revenue growth just by expanding the specification and sales and distribution more broadly for those businesses. That doesn't last forever, but that's still going on. And then we'll have pockets in our performance coatings group, like our carb line business, to continue to put up solid numbers. And so those are the things that make us feel like we'll hit the bottom end of that. The other thing that's worth noting is most of the acquisition activity that we reported in Q1 and that will impact Q2 starts to be annualized. So at this stage, there isn't much in the way of acquisition activity planned for the second half of the year.

speaker
Mike Sisson
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Got it. And then when you think about acquisitions going forward in this environment, you maybe talk about the backlog or the project acquisition pipeline. It might be challenging in this environment to understand what you're buying in terms of earnings power.

speaker

But just

speaker
Mike Sisson
Analyst, Wells Fargo

give me your thoughts on how you think about acquisitions going forward.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

So our small to medium sized acquisition program is generally alive and well. I will tell you that our pipeline is a little thinner than it's been for a while, in part because we've got most of the leaders of RPM focused on executing on our map to growth program. And so we're working on that. And I think that'll continue to be an important part of adding revenues and leveraging into our bottom line in the coming years. But as I commented a minute ago, the second half of this year will likely not have much acquisition impact because of how we're annualizing transactions that were done last year. And I think a small lull in acquisition activity that we hope to see pick up.

speaker
Mike Sisson
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Great. Thank you.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

speaker
Hilda
Host

The next question comes from Kevin Hosobar from North Coast Research.

speaker
Kevin Hosobar
Analyst, North Coast Research

Hey, good morning everybody. Good morning. Frank, I think you mentioned that map to growth added $26 million to EBIT in the first quarter. But it looks like EBIT grew $39 million in total. So what would you say is that other $13 million of EBIT growth? Because organic growth is pretty flat, but you mentioned price was positive. So is that price raw? Is it you have some acquisitions? Is it the acquisitions adding? What would you say drove the balance of that EBIT growth?

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Sure. If you carve out our map to growth savings, EBIT would have been up. This is rough because you can't be exact. But EBIT would have been up in the 8 to 10 percent range on basically a 1 percent gain in revenues. So pretty solid. And I think that's a combination of price cost mix, which has been negative for two years and is now finally moving in the right direction on the gross margin line. The impact of acquisitions, they're small, but they certainly contribute some. And then the reason it's not exactly a precise number is our businesses have demonstrated really good SG&A discipline and leverage. And so measuring how much of that would have happened without map to growth per se or how much of it's map to growth is a judgment call. So I think the way I would look at it internally, the way I do look at it internally is that EBIT would have been up in the 8 to 10 percent range, excluding the map to growth. And the balance of that's the map to growth range. Pretty good leverage still on what's very modest revenue growth. And we'll keep plowing away.

speaker
Kevin Hosobar
Analyst, North Coast Research

Yep. Perfect. And then on the last quarter, you gave some sales guidance by segment with -single-digit growth expected in construction and consumer and low single-digit in performance and specialty. I'm curious if there's any update there, giving you a lower, I guess, move to the low end of the sales expectation range for the year and just what you're seeing last several months. Does that change at all or are those still good expectations for the year?

speaker
Rusty Gordon
Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Kevin, this is Rusty. I would say one major change has been the impact of Brexit and the strengthening U.S. dollar. I read yesterday that a two-year high against foreign currencies, including the euro for that matter. And the FX impact on sales definitely looks like more of a headwind than we anticipated as we started off the year.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Let me answer that by segment a little bit. I think you'll see, as we highlighted, I think you'll see somewhat better sales results in consumer, not only for Q2 but for the balance of the year versus Q1. I think you'll see better sales results in our construction products group. So both of those kind of low to mid-sales growth. Our performance coatings group is going to be kind of flat to low for the balance of the year. And I think we'll see some of that as a result of very deliberate decisions to exit or discontinue product lines or businesses. Most of those are kind of far away, relatively small overseas businesses that don't have the margins that we'd like to see. And then the most challenged segment that we have for the balance of the year will be our specialty products group. And in that case, I think we're seeing flat to slightly down revenues for the reasons Rusty mentioned. Foreign exchange will be a hit. They're annualizing tougher comps. But we've got some growth issues in some of those businesses, high margin, really solid businesses. We have a new leadership team at Daigle, a new leadership at our TCI business. I could go down the list and some selected investments. So you're going to see the most challenged revenue segment for us to be specialty products. All great businesses, all high margin. And hopefully you'll begin to see the benefits of the changes that we're making in the fourth quarter and in fiscal 21.

speaker
Kevin Hosobar
Analyst, North Coast Research

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

speaker
Hilda
Host

We have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Sullivan for final remarks.

speaker
Frank Sullivan
Chairman and CEO

Great. Thanks, Silda. I'd like to remind everybody that tomorrow afternoon at 2 o'clock at the Crowne Plaza in Middleburg Heights is RPM's annual meeting of stockholders. We regularly welcome 800 to 1,000 individual shareholders and a handful of institutional shareholders to our annual meeting. And lastly, I'd like to close by recognizing the RPM associates around the world who are doing a great job on executing on our map to growth program. And when we get through this program, the entrepreneurial spirit and culture of RPM combined with the operational excellence and continuous improvement culture that we are instituting is going to be hugely successful both in the marketplace and for our shareholders. Thank you very much for your time on the call today. We look forward to providing you our second quarter results in early January of 2021. Have a great day.

speaker
Hilda
Host

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. We thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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