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RTX Corporation
7/28/2020
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Raytheon Technologies second quarter 2020 earnings conference call. My name is Ursula, and I will be your operator for today. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Kelsey DeBrien, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.
Good morning, and welcome to the Raytheon Technologies second quarter 2020 earnings conference call. With me on the call today are Greg Hayes, our Chief Executive Officer, Toby O'Brien, our Chief Financial Officer, and Neil Mitchell, our Corporate Vice President of Financial Planning and Analysis and Investor Relations. This call is being carried live on the Internet, and there is a presentation available for download from the Raytheon Technologies website at www.rtx.com. Please note, except where otherwise noted, the company will speak to results from continuing operations, excluding net non-recurring and or significant items and acquisition accounting adjustments, often referred to by management as other significant items. The company also reminds listeners that the earnings and cash flow expectations and any other forward-looking statements provided in this call are subject to risks and uncertainties. RTC's SEC filings, including its Forms 8K, 10Q and 10K provide details on important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in the forward-looking statement. Once the call becomes open for questions, we ask that you limit your first round to one question per caller to give everyone the opportunity to participate. You may ask further questions by reinserting yourself into the queue as time permits. With that, I will turn the call over to Greg.
Thanks, Kelsey, and good morning, everyone. I'm on slide two of the webcast here. Let me just begin by providing an update on some of the current priorities and highlights from Q2. As everyone knows, these last several months have been incredibly challenging. However, we remain focused on supporting our key stakeholders, and that starts with ensuring the health and safety of all of our employees. That is our number one priority. We also remain committed to delivering for our customers across commercial aerospace and defense. On the defense side, that means providing our customers with mission-critical products and services in the U.S. and internationally. On the commercial aero side, that means supporting our customers during this very difficult time to make sure that planes fly safely, especially as airlines begin to ramp up capacity again. We also continue to engage with our suppliers, ensuring that they have the support needed to maintain stability, while also working with them to make their processes more efficient. Just a word on the merger. We're just about 100 days into this, and I would tell you that we remain focused on the integration across the organization and on delivering our cost and revenue synergies. While we created Raytheon Technologies during the pandemic that is causing every company to work in new ways, I would tell you that the integration is progressing remarkably well. There was, of course, significant planning underway before the pandemic, and the two teams have come together seamlessly. to figure out how we can operate more productively as an organization and how to better serve our customers. I'm encouraged by what we've accomplished to date, and I remain confident in our ability to deliver on our Synergy targets, which is over a billion dollars in gross savings. Also, it's important to note that our liquidity position and balance sheet remain very strong. And, of course, we remain committed to the dividend. At the end of the second quarter, we had over $7 billion in cash and ample financial flexibility. And that's before the approximately $2 billion in net proceeds from the previously announced divestitures, the remaining two of which are expected to close before the end of the third quarter. At the same time, of course, we remain laser focused on those things that we can control. That is cost and that is cash. And we're on track to achieve $2 billion in cost savings this year and $4 billion in cash conservation actions by the end of the year. This, of course, is focused on our commercial aero businesses. The good news is we've already completed nearly 30% or seen about $600 million in savings in Q2 of our cost actions and about a billion dollars of cash conservation or 25% of our target there. That's, of course, better than we expected. And Tilby will give you more color on the expected cadence of these actions for the rest of the year. Really a kudos to the team on the commercial aero side for their decisive actions in getting after all this. Overall, while the pandemic continues to deeply impact our commercial aero business, our balanced portfolio includes a resilient defense business that will help us offset near-term commercial aero headwinds. However, the effects of the pandemic on the economy and commercial aerospace has proven to be a lot worse than what we originally projected even a few months ago. And for that reason, we now would expect it will take at least until 2023 for commercial air traffic to recover to 2019 levels. As a result, we're evaluating what further actions and structural changes we need to make to our business to adjust for a prolonged recovery timeline. And we'll be back later this year with some more details on that. These are difficult actions, but ones that are necessary to preserve our financial strength. And so we're focused on what we can control and proactively manage And we're going to wait for the upside to come, and it will. Moving to the right side of the page, Raytheon Technologies has several notable highlights in the quarter. It was previously announced our missiles and defense business was selected by the U.S. Air Force to develop the Long Range Standoff Weapon, or LRSO. It's a new franchise that has a lifetime value of over $10 billion. And in June, the missiles and defense business also booked a $2.3 billion award for the Tippy-2 radars for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. These are significant franchises that will fuel our defense growth over the next several years and beyond. On the commercial aero side, the demand environment was weak as expected, but we did achieve some milestones in the quarter. We continue to support airlines and the industry in efforts to promote safe and healthy flying. At Collins, which is a innovative company in their DNA. They're working with airline customers and across industry forums to develop solutions for enhanced aircraft and airport sanitation. They're looking at ways to enhance contactless travel with biometrics and health monitoring. And we filed nearly 100 ideas for provisional patents associated with these technologies. We expect these solutions to start entering service in the back half of the year, and they highlight how Collins Aerospace is poised to help the industry move forward well into the future. At Pratt, we announced that China Express Airlines has taken delivery of its first GTF-powered A320neo aircraft. That brings their total fleet to a milestone of 50 aircraft, with 28 more A320 aircraft on order. As I said before, we're on track to deliver on over a billion dollars of gross run rate synergies by 2024. We've already completed the consolidation of the legacy Raytheon segments from four into two. And the corporate restructuring is well underway. We have more than 500 synergy projects that we've identified and are being matured. And remember, this is on top of the Rockwell Collins synergies. You'll recall we had $600 million of synergies targeted. We've achieved $300 million already. We've got another $30 million in this quarter and $90 million year-to-date. So we're well on our way to achieving that goal. I think importantly, though, we've also booked about $350 million of revenue synergies at Collins since the acquisition in late 2018. Toby will take you through the second quarter results, but given the uncertainties which still exist surrounding the pandemics and its effects, we will not provide a traditional outlook today. But Toby, I'll give you some color on how we're thinking about the rest of the year. So with that, let me turn it over to Toby.
Okay, thanks, Greg. I'm on slide three. As Greg mentioned, no surprise, Q2 was a challenging quarter. Before going through the second quarter results, it's worth noting that since the merger completed on April 3rd, our second quarter results include legacy Raytheon Company from that point forward. Adjusted sales were $14.3 billion and better than our expectations due to better volume at Collins, Pratt, and RMD. Adjusted EPS was 40 cents, also better than our expectations, driven by accelerated progress on our cost mitigation actions in the quarter, favorable volume, primarily at Collins and RMD, and the adjustment for certain charges driven by the impact of COVID-19 on the industry and economy. On a gap basis, EPS from continuing operations was a loss of $2.56 per share, down year over year, which included $2.96 of net non-recurring and or significant items and acquisition accounting adjustments, of which $2.34 was related to charges due to the current economic environment, primarily driven by the COVID-19 pandemic. with the largest piece being $2.13 related to an impairment of Collins Aerospace goodwill and intangibles, and the remainder attributable to customer bankruptcies and collection risk and contract charges from anticipated lower future flight utilization. The other $0.62 consists principally of $0.28 of acquisition accounting adjustments, primarily related to intangible amortization, 21 cents of restructuring, and 4 cents of merger and integration-related expenses. Free cash flow was better than expected at an outflow of $248 million, including $165 million of merger cost and restructuring. The better-than-expected cash flow was driven primarily by the timing of advances and collections, as well as accelerated progress on our announced cash mitigation actions, including inventory reduction at Collins. Moving on to slide four. While the second quarter was as challenging as expected, we continue to see a number of trends that confirm the resiliency of our balanced portfolio. Our defense backlog was up versus the first quarter and grew to a new record of 73.1 billion. RIS had a book-to-bill ratio in the quarter of 1.17 and RMD of 1.22, giving us a consolidated RIS and RMD book-to-bill ratio of 1.2. Collins Military and Pratt Military also had strong sales growth in the quarter, growing 10% and 11% respectively. Positive news that our franchises are healthy and will support solid growth in our defense portfolio for the next few years. With that, I'll hand it over to Neil to take you through the segment results. and I'll come back and share a bit more perspective on the rest of the year.
Thank you, Toby. Starting with Collins Aerospace on slide five, adjusted sales were $4.3 billion in the quarter, down 36% on an organic basis, and down 35% on an adjusted basis, driven primarily by the adverse impact of COVID-19 on the aerospace industry. Commercial OEM sales were down 53%, driven by lower volume across all platforms, including the continued 737 MAX grounding and anticipated declines in legacy programs. Commercial aftermarket sales were down 48%, driven by a 45% decline in parts and repair, a 57% decline in provisioning, and a 45% decline in modifications and upgrades. Partially offsetting the headwinds in the commercial channels, military sales were up 10%, driven by strength across key platforms and product lines, including higher F-35 volume. We also saw growth on development contracts in the quarter. Adjusted operating profit of $24 million was down $1.3 billion from prior year. Drop through on higher military sales, aggressive cost management actions including lower E&D and continued synergy capture were more than offset by lower commercial OEM and aftermarket sales and fixed cost headwinds. Shifting to Pratt & Whitney on slide six, Adjusted sales of $3.6 billion were down 32% on an organic basis and down 30% on an adjusted basis, also driven primarily by the pandemic's impact on OEMs and operators. Commercial OEM sales were down 42%, driven by lower deliveries across Pratt's large commercial engine and Pratt Canada platforms, with the exception of the PW800, which saw slight growth in the quarter. Commercial aftermarket sales were down 51% in the quarter, Growth in the GTF aftermarket was more than offset by the impact of a 64% reduction in legacy large commercial engine shop visit inductions and an approximate 40% reduction in Pratt Canada shop visits. Ramping JSF production continues to drive sales growth at Pratt's military business. Military sales were up 11% due to higher aftermarket sales across key platforms and increased F-135 production volumes. adjusted operating profit of a loss of $151 million was down $603 million from the prior year. Significant aftermarket volume reductions, fixed cost headwinds, and unfavorable military contract adjustments more than offset drop through on higher military sales, cost mitigation actions, and slightly lower negative engine margin. Turning now to slide seven, RIS reported sales were 3.3 billion, Pro-Pharma sales, including the four-day stub period, were $3.5 billion. Sales were primarily impacted by expected declines in the Warfighter Focus program, which represented a little over four points of sales headwind, and that was partially offset by higher airborne system sales and broad growth across other RIS programs. As a reminder, all Legacy Raytheon Company long-term contracts were reset to 0% complete upon the merger, which is impacting both sales and operating profit. So adjusting the prior year sales to remove the favorable productivity impact of EACs and the current year sales to include the stub period, RIS sales grew 1% in the second quarter. Reported operating profit was $311 million. Adjusting the prior year to remove the favorable productivity impact of EACs and the current year to include the stub period, RIS operating profit growth was up approximately 4% in the second quarter. Of note, RIS had over $1.4 billion of classified bookings in the quarter. RIS also booked $166 million for the Global Ascent Program for the U.S. Air Force, and as Toby mentioned, had a strong book-to-bill ratio in the quarter. Turning now to slide eight, RMD reported sales were $3.6 billion. Proforma sales, including the four-day stub period, were $3.8 billion. Sales benefited from growth on an international air and missile defense system program in the second quarter. Adjusting the prior year sales to remove the favorability and productivity impact of EACs and the current year sales to include the stub period, RMD sales grew almost 3% in the second quarter. Reported operating profit was $397 million. Adjusting the prior year to remove the favorable productivity impact to VACs and the current year to include the stub period, RMD operating profit was up approximately 4% in the second quarter. In addition to the awards Greg highlighted, RMD also booked approximately $300 million for the standard missile three for the MDA and an international customer in the quarter. And as Toby mentioned, RMD also had a strong book-to-bill ratio in the quarter. So let me turn it back to Toby. Thanks, Neil.
I am on slide nine now. As you know, there are a number of factors, some headwinds, some tailwinds, and a number of unknowns affecting the macro environment and our business going forward. Let's start with the positives. Military program growth remains robust both domestically and internationally and is contributing to our strong defense sales growth and a record defense backlog. Nothing really changing here from our previous expectations. We also continue to execute on important actions to position the business for long-term value creation. Our merger synergies are progressing well, and we remain on track to deliver nearly $200 million of gross RTX synergies and an incremental $150 million of Rockwell Collins acquisition cost synergies this year, which will bring the total for Rockwell to $450 million of our $600 million target. We are also on track to deliver our previously discussed $2 billion of cost savings and $4 billion of cash conservation actions in 2020, and we will continue to manage the business proactively to respond to the current and developing environment. We now expect to realize approximately 30% of our announced cost actions in Q3 and approximately 40% in Q4. This is after we already achieved around 30% of our cost actions in Q2. And as Greg highlighted, our liquidity position remains very strong, and we have ample financial flexibility. It's no surprise, however, that given COVID-19, the overall macro environment and commercial air traffic in particular are significant unknowns. We are tracking air travel trends across the globe on a daily basis. And while they are generally improving, recovery is slow. And while we continue to monitor these trends, as Greg said, we now see the recovery being protracted over several years, at least through 2023. We also continue to monitor the financial condition of Global Airlines and the health of the supply chain. Given the significance of these factors on our business, there continues to be too much uncertainty to provide an outlook. but let me tell you how we're thinking about the second half of the year. Let's start with Collins. We continue to see commercial OE sales down in line with OEM production levels and aircraft delivery schedules, generally consistent with the decline we saw in Q2. We see Collins commercial aftermarket sales down in line with expected RPM declines and the impact of the ADS-B mandate headwinds, where we expect Q3 sales will largely be in line with Q2, plus or minus, and expect to see a gradual recovery in Q4. For Pratt, we continue to see commercial OE sales in line with our main OEM customers, similar to what we saw in Q2. While GTF overhaul activity continues as we upgrade to the latest configuration, we expect Pratt's aftermarket sales to be down given the more than 50% decline in legacy shop visits. We still expect that Pratt Canada will be down in the back half of the year, but not as severely as the large commercial engine business due to the differences in their end markets with business jet and general aviation markets showing better recovery. Moving to the military portion of Collins and Pratt, we continue to see strength in military sales and still expect to see mid-single-digit growth, excluding the impact of the two pending Collins divestitures. So, again, no change here. I'll also note there aren't any changes to the RIS or RMD sales or adjusted operating profit outlooks that we gave on our first quarter call. As we think about what this means for our business as a whole, we continue to think Q2 will likely be the lowest quarterly sales in EPS in 2020. Looking at sales in the back half of the year, we'd expect sequential sales improvement, modest in Q3 and then better in Q4. For EPS, we'd expect Q3 to generally be in line with Q2, with some puts and takes, and then a gradual recovery beginning in Q4 as demand begins to return and more of our cost actions are realized. A couple of other items to keep in mind for the second half of the year. As we have discussed, we've implemented significant COVID protocols across our businesses and are incurring a number of incremental expenditures associated with the pandemic, including enhanced facility cleaning, employee temperature scanning, higher freight costs, and other COVID-related inefficiencies. We expect around $0.08 of EPS headwind related to these costs for the rest of the year, more than initially expected, bringing the full year total cost to approximately $0.16 of a headwind. For free cash flow, we still expect pro forma 2020 free cash flow for the full year of roughly $2 billion. This includes an outflow of $1.2 to $1.4 billion for merger costs, restructuring, and cash taxes on dispositions as we have previously discussed. As we think about our cash actions, we still expect to realize the majority of the benefit in the back half of the year with approximately 30% of our cash actions in Q3 and approximately 45% in Q4. In summary, We expect the rest of the year to be challenging for our commercial aerospace segments, but continue to expect good growth from our defense businesses, and we're positioning the company for a strong recovery. With that, I'll hand it back over to Greg to wrap things up.
Okay, thanks, Toby. We're on slide 10 now. Maybe just a couple of points. I think, obviously, a lot going on in the quarter, a lot of uncertainty out there. I think Just to be clear on a couple of things. While there's a lot of uncertainty, we're going to remain focused on supporting our employees, our customers, and our suppliers. This includes ensuring the health and safety of our workforce, first and foremost, but also delivering advanced technologies and innovative products for our customers and working with our suppliers to maintain the stability of the supply chain. I think it's important to remember, in the quarter, we still invested $500 million in E&D on the commercial aero side. This is important as we think about the long term. We're not going to sacrifice long term for short term. We're going to take some tough cost actions. We're going to do what we need to do, but we're going to continue to invest for the future. And, of course, we're going to continue to execute on the integration of the merger and the Rockwell acquisition, as Toby said, and we've got a clear path to meet or exceed those expected synergies. Also, I think it's important to remember we're going to remain disciplined with our capital, ensuring that we maintain financial flexibility while prioritizing capital areas that will maximize value for our customers and shareholders. Despite all the uncertainty out there, we still remain committed to return $18 to $20 billion of cash to our shareholders in the first four years after this merger. As I said, we're also taking a hard look at the businesses, given the environment and the prolonged recovery. And we're going to take additional actions as we think are appropriate. We'll be nimble. We're going to remain focused on what we can control, and we're going to adapt to the current environment and position our commercial air businesses for growth, while also maintaining solid growth on the defense portfolio. Overall, the opportunities in front of us remain significant, and I'm confident we're going to emerge from this crisis in a position of strength and deliver sustainable long-term value for all our customers, for our employees, and our shareholders. So with that, Ursula, let's open it up to questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, please press Star 1 at this time. In the interest of time, and to allow for broader participation, you are asked to limit yourself to one question. The first question will come from Sheila Cuyula with Jefferies.
Hi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you. I guess, Greg or Toby, your biggest EBIT driver, Collins, declined 98% year-over-year, yet free cash flow was essentially break-even. So can you maybe talk about free cash flow trends you're seeing in Arrow or commercial and what you're seeing in terms of working capital and cost savings? Toby, you mentioned is running at 30% ahead of your 10% target. So any thoughts on those moving pieces and how it relates to free cash flow in 2020 and going forward?
Yeah, so I'll take the last part of that first, Sheila. You know, the $2 billion of cost actions, $4 billion of cash preservation, conservation actions, are assumed and they were assumed back in Q1 in the $2 billion for the year. The good news is we're seeing accelerated execution on those and realization. Obviously, that helps to de-risk the back half of the year. In the quarter, obviously, the drop through of 30% versus we'd expected about 10%, that 20% incremental improvement helps cash flow at both Pratt and Collins, so that was a good guy in the quarter compared to our expectations. And I believe that both Pratt and Collins are also doing a really good job of managing their inventory. You know, I think Collins held it flat through the first part of the quarter and actually saw a little bit of a reduction, you know, as we move through to the end of June, which contributed to some of the favorability of the Q2 cash flow there. So things are on or ahead of schedule, but again, really timing related relative to the work the Pratt and the Collins teams have done to accelerate those actions. And the other thing I'd throw in there, we saw real strong collections from a cash flow point of view on some large international collections at RMD, not the commercial arrow side of the house, but at RMD that favorably impacted Q2, and those were expected in the back half of the year as well.
You know, Sheila, it's Greg. Just to highlight just a couple of things. Again, we've got a billion dollars of cash actions in the first quarter. And that was without – or second quarter, rather. And that's without really impacting our inventories yet. We're really just starting to see the benefits of inventory reduction in the supply chain. If you think about it, by the fourth quarter, we would expect probably a half a billion dollars of tailwind from reduced material inputs. And you're also going to see a ramp up in savings from headcount actions. Again, about half of this cost savings in the first quarter or second quarter were headcount related. That number is going to almost double by the end of the year. So, again, we're taking the actions and we're really confident we're going to see these improvements throughout the rest of the year.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks, Sheila.
Your next question comes from Robert Stollert with Vertical Research.
Thanks so much. Good morning. Good morning, Rob. Hey, Rob. It's probably one for Greg, and it's more of a conceptual question. Basically, we've seen 2Q airline activity, if you're looking at RPMs or ASMs, down a huge number, 80% or 90%. And yet your aftermarket is only down around 50%. What's the risk that aftermarket could actually get worse from here, given this disconnect between the revenues you've seen and what the airlines have seen in 2Q?
I think, Rob, what you need to think about is, you know, what is the actual number of aircraft flying today? We think it's, you know, the total flights are down about 50%. And so while air passenger traffic is down 80%, you know, which is better than the 95% it was, there's still planes out there flying around and around, again, down 50%. That's really what we're basing the outlook on. Obviously, as we think about the pieces of the aftermarket, some pieces are more impacted. If I think about spare parts, for instance, at Collins Aerospace, which is a key driver of profitability, that was down almost 75% in the quarter. Repair was down like 55%. The forecast that Toby was talking about for the back half of the year assumes a modest recovery picking up in Q4. And I think that's the key as we think about the back half of the year is will we see that modest recovery. And, again, the recovery is going to take several years. But, you know, right now it's hard to imagine probably getting anything worse than what we saw in Q2, assuming, again, we still see about 50% of the current aircraft flying out there.
That's great. Thank you.
Your next question comes from Peter Armit with Baird.
Yes, good morning, Greg, Toby. Greg, just a quick question on sort of when you talk about the cost reductions. Have you kind of been able to identify what you think is ultimately going to be permanent versus kind of the temporary actions to give you a real benefit when we think about exiting 2020?
Yeah, so look, I think as we think about the cost reduction that we saw in the quarter, you know, you got about $200 million of E&D actions. You took about $100 million of discretionary spend, and the other $300 million was really employee-related. Some of that employee-related cost will come back. Those are furloughs. For those of us at the corporate office, there's a 10% furlough or 10% salary reduction. We've deferred merits. You know, some of those costs will come back. I think it's important to note that the commercial aerospace reduced about 8,000 positions. Some of those will come back with volume. Some of them will be permanently reduced. And one of the things that I'm really focused on right now as we think about a recovery that may well take into 2023 is we need to take a look at some of the more structural costs that we have in our aerospace organization. That is costs in some high-cost manufacturing locations, what can we get after to restructure those businesses later this year. So we'll come back. The guys are looking at it, and it's going to be some tough things to do, but I think this is the opportunity to alter the overhead structure of the commercial aero businesses. Again, I think this is unfortunate, but it's absolutely necessary given the market.
Appreciate the details. Thanks.
Thanks, Peter.
Your next question comes from Carter Copeland with Milius Research.
Hey, good morning, team. Morning, Kurt. Greg, I wondered if you could maybe just give us some color on the customer conversations. I mean, it's got to be, especially at Pratt, tough conversations around cash management for most of the airlines. And I wonder if you could just give us some color on what it is that those customers are seeking to do, to the extent that you're collecting power by the hour, you have power by the hour arrangements. Are you collecting all of those payments or is there any deferment there? Anything you can give us there would be helpful. Thanks.
You know, Carter, look, we're working with each one of our customers to make sure they've got the financial flexibility to stay in business for the long term. So I won't give you any specifics on any individual customer, but I would just say we're trying to be as flexible as we can with payment terms and with cash flow. Obviously, part of the charges we took this quarter were a recognition that some of the receivables out there probably are not collectible because of where the industry is today. I think what's important, though, is we think about Pratt's customer base. Of all the GTF-powered A320s out there, 65% of those are flying today. 75% of the A220s are flying. That is the old C-series, while only about 45% of the Vs are flying. So if you think about most of the power-by-the-hour contracts, like 80% of the GTF-powered aircraft are under a long-term maintenance agreement or power-by-the-hour. Those contracts remain in place, and people are flying the airplanes. So it's not all doom and gloom out there. I would tell you, you know, there's some green shoots we're seeing, and we're going to continue to work with our customers to make sure that they remain viable. Great. Thank you for the color. Thanks, Kurt.
Your next question comes from David Strauss with Barclays.
Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. I wanted to ask about call-in. So the OEM decline, some of it are down 53%, obviously more than I think the decline we're seeing in manufacturer production rates. Can you talk about kind of how that breaks down between manufacturer production rates being down, the max impact, and any sort of stocking you're seeing? And then, Greg, maybe can you touch on the decrementals that we saw at Collins? I know Collins remained profitable, but the decrementals were pretty big. Do you think this is the, you know, kind of the low point or worst point for decrementals there? Thanks.
So let me talk about the decrementals to start out with. I mean, decremental margins, as you would expect because of the aftermarket down so significantly, we're, you know, north of 50%, I think almost 55% decremental margins. Clearly, this should improve as we go through the quarter, especially as we take additional cost actions to take out some overhead. But the aftermarket is tough. I think if you think about the other issue that you've got at Collins is they have been disproportionately impacted by the slowdown of 737. Recall, we've got about $2.5 million of content per 737. With the latest production schedule from Boeing on 737 with this kind of slow ramp in production, I doubt we'll be shipping any 737-related inventory probably until the next half of next year. And so while the, you know, overall I would say, you know, we expect the commercial OEMs to be down roughly 40% or so, you're going to see a bigger impact at Collins in the near term as they're going to be more impacted by the 737 than anybody else.
Yeah, and I think, you know, I'd add to, right, your question about the MACs and ADSB, right? They're about a point each of headwind going forward, you know, pretty consistent with our prior expectations. And just piling on a little bit with what Greg said about the decrementals, you know, not inconsistent with what we had, you know, outlined back at Q1. We said north of 50%, as Greg said, about 55% in the quarter. That's for overall, right, when you take into account aftermarket would be greater, the effects of the absorption, we do expect that will improve a little bit as we move through the year, especially as the cost reduction actions take further hold. And maybe just to complete the equation, Pratt saw about 40% decrementals. Again, pretty much as we expected, not as severe because, of course, they don't have margin on the large engine shipments from an OE point of view. So again, Even there with Pratt, nothing unexpected compared to what we outlined back on the May call.
You know, David, just one other point to keep in mind, too. If you think about the Collins numbers, there's $100 million of costs or charges in the quarter associated with idle facilities. That is the plants that we have that aren't operating at full capacity. So, again, those detrimental margins are all in. So I think, again, they're taking cost out, but we've got to get after the overhead still. Great. Thanks very much.
Your next question comes from Ron Epstein with Bank of America.
Good morning, guys. Toby, if we could just dig down a little bit more in the cash, just trying to sort out, you know, when we think about what portion of the cash came from the defense business versus what portion came from the commercial business. I think on a pro forma basis, if you look at last year, is it safe to assume About two-thirds of the pro forma cash was from defense and maybe one-third from commercial.
Yeah, I mean, I think the way to think of it, Ron, in the quarter here, right, both Collins and Pratt consumed cash, right? You know, the two combined, you know, north of $2 billion, right? The favorable performance, again, those results were favorably impacted by the cost actions or they would have been worse. And then we saw real strong collections on the defense side, as I mentioned, with the pull-in of some large international payments on the RMD side. And I didn't mention it earlier, but RIS saw some good quarter-end collection pull as well. So that's kind of big picture, the two sides of the house and how the cash flow played out in the quarter.
And how would you expect that to go maybe for the rest of the year? In defense, anyway.
Yeah. So we'd expect, obviously, the defense businesses, the legacy RIS and RMD, to continue to generate positive cash flow, both in Q3 and Q4. More biased towards Q4, consistent with the traditional cadence that the legacy Raytheon had seen. I'd expect Collins to be able to generate, albeit maybe a little bit, but positive cash in Q3. Pratt will still be a little bit negative. And then both Collins and Pratt, positive cash flow in Q4. And when you bring that all up to the company level, for the balance of the year, consistent with the pro forma $2 billion outlook, Q3, You know, neutral-ish, plus or minus, you know, maybe a little bit positive here. Remember, we have some below-the-line items, some of these non-recurring items. We've got $500 million plus or minus of tax payments on the divestitures that, you know, Greg alluded to in his opening comments and the like. So, you know, Q3 break-even, maybe a little positive. And then the balance of the cash, you know, billion-eight-ish positive in Q4. Okay.
Great. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Your next question comes from Miles Walton with UBS.
Thanks. Good morning. Hey, I was wondering if you can maybe in Pratt, the commercial aftermarket, the down 51, what was large engine versus Pratt Canada? And then the other question, Toby, maybe you can just talk about the working capital that you're building this year. And you talked about it previously as billions of the headwind in this year. I'm just curious. if you can make any comments about the relief of that into 21 and 22.
Yeah, so let me start with the, you know, the working capital. You know, some encouraging signs, I'll start initially, some encouraging signs from an inventory point of view, you know, in Q2 with both Pratt & Collins, as I alluded to, you know, a little bit earlier. From an overall working capital point of view, we also, you know, are pleased with the collections we saw It working capital did grow in the quarter really because of disbursements that outweighed the benefits that we saw from the collections and the management of the inventory We would expect Based upon the actions right as a subset of the four billion dollar cost related cost in cash conservation actions a meaningful benefit in the back half of the year is from working capital initiatives, primarily around inventory, you know, five, six, seven, even 800 plus million dollars, obviously driven by Pratt and Collins. So things are on track for that. You know, moving forward into next year, we're not going to, you know, quantify anything today, but we'd still expect to, you know, make further improvement from a working capital point of view, you know, in 2021 as we size it right to reflect the demand that we see, and obviously there's variability in there, you know, as we talked about in the opening comments around the shape of the recovery and the cadence of it.
And in the Pratt commercial, can you just subdivide the large engine versus PwC?
Yeah, so if you think about the large commercial aftermarket was down about 55%, and that was really – Of course, PW2000 was way down, like 80%. The V was down like 60%. And GTF was actually not down. But then I look at Pratt Canada. Again, their business was down 40%. But if you think about their aftermarket, it was down 40%, most of that in, of course, the high-profit spares area, about 55%. Okay. Thanks, guys.
Your next question comes from John Raviv with Citi.
Thank you, and good morning. So just on pitching to the defense side for a second, Toby, back at Raytheon, you guys had talked about there being good visibility, and you're talking about, again, on the call today, good visibility of growth sustaining for several more years. I wonder if you could just give us an update on more specifically how do you see that growth sustainability playing out based on what's in your backlog and pipeline? And then also, how is the company positioned to manage a potential defense recession, if you will, if you do see some of this worried budget pressure flow through? Thank you.
Sure. So, you know, on the first part about, you know, the visibility and the future growth, I'd say things haven't changed, right? You know, we talked about another record backlog, the legacy defense businesses, strong book to bill in the court of the 1.2 that we mentioned. You know, they've strung together three really strong quarters going back to Q4, you know, about 1.55 book to bill, 1.46 in Q1. And Pratt and Collins, as we talked about, are growing nicely this year. So we remain very confident, you know, based upon the strength of the backlog. Recall in that backlog, you know, a little bit of a shift to longer duration, longer term programs with the multi-year awards for SM3-1B. and also SM6 that, you know, help provide more visibility into the future. Combine that with the pipeline, you know, our programs are well-funded, the alignment to the national defense strategy, our continued strong position with classified bookings. We talked about a billion forward RIS in the quarter. You know, we're on track for the year with, you know, north of 20% classified, which provide the the development and the funding of future technologies that lead to new franchises. International remains strong, still about 30% of the business. Greg mentioned the $2.3 billion award for KSA TIPI II. And, you know, we're performing well on our LTAMS program, which, you know, before you know it, we'll be moving into the initial production in 2022. So we continue to be very you know, optimistic about the ability to, you know, continue to grow the defense business for the next several years.
You know, look, John, I would just say that we know defense spending is not going to be going up in the near term, given the deficits that are out there. And I think, as Toby said, we are uniquely positioned because of the backlog. It's $73 billion. But also, I think, importantly, in those areas where we have real strength, which is in the classified, in the cyber, and in the space businesses, Again, lots of opportunity there. Again, we don't expect we're going to see much growth in the defense budget at all, but we still think the strong national defense is a bipartisan issue. So no matter who's in the White House, no matter who's leading Congress, we still expect the need for a strong national defense will remain. So I'm not forecasting or we're not forecasting any gloom and doom scenarios here for defense in the next few years. Thank you.
Your next question comes from Noel Popanak with Goldman Sachs.
Hi, good morning everyone.
I know.
On the aerospace original equipment side of the business, can you just give us a little more detail on whether or not the pull from Boeing and Airbus into their production plan has changed meaningfully versus three months ago? And if you could speak to manufacturer or, in particular, MAX versus non-MAX? That would be helpful.
Well, I would tell you, I don't think anything has changed materially in the last three months. Obviously, as Boeing has firmed up its 737 MAX production schedule, that's obviously had an impact, especially in the near term, on the Collins outlook for OEM deliveries. I would tell you that Pratt is fully aligned with Airbus on deliveries this year and next year. We've been out, we've talked to every single one of our customers who's going to be taking GTF-powered aircraft, and I think we're fully aligned there. I mean, that's about, as we would say, roughly a 40% reduction in GTF volume in the A320s in the next year and a half here. So, again, I don't think there's been any change beyond, really beyond the 737 MAXs.
And that max change, is it more of a refinement around the specific timing of the return to service, or is it a more substantial change than that?
Well, it's really two things. First of all, it's just a refinement of the schedule in terms of we expect sometime here in the probably end of the third quarter, early fourth quarter that they'll get their ticket back. Obviously, we're working with Boeing to make sure that that happens. But also it's the ramp that we're going to see in the production is slower, I think, than anybody had anticipated. On top of that, as Boeing has gone through and looked at the inventory levels that they have for all of our equipment, that's what really caused us to take a pause and say, you know what, we probably aren't going to be shipping much 737 hardware until the back half of 2021. So, again, that's really been the refinement, if you will. It's the inventory on hand as well as a little bit slower ramp.
And I would just add, Noah, when we look at, you know, OE volumes altogether, taking Boeing, Airbus, the Pratt Canada customers, it coincidentally is in about that 40% ballpark relative to a year-over-year decline that, you know, Greg referenced relative to Pratt. Obviously, there's some puts and takes in there. And, you know, as Greg explained with the Boeing situation, because of the inventory on hand, you know, our future revenue may look a little bit different than their deliveries, but it's for that factor there.
That's all really helpful. The inventory alignment is not demand, and the RTS is not demand. The slower ramp is end demand. But am I hearing you correctly that that has been a modest change versus a major change?
Yeah, that's really a modest change. I think, again, it's just a refinement of the schedule based upon the timing of return to service and Yeah, keep in mind that every aircraft that gets delivered today, you know, somebody's also retiring an aircraft. So, you know, we're trying to work with the customers to understand exactly who's going to take what when.
Super helpful. Thank you.
Thanks, Noah.
Your next question comes from Robert Spingarn with Credit Suisse.
Hi, good morning. And just on that last note, you know, the visibility, Toby, it looks like you're backing out on favorable contract adjustments and debt expense from Collins and Pratt to get to your adjusted operating profit. So I wanted to ask you how much visibility you have into the sufficiency of those charges and how non-recurring they may actually be in the COVID environment.
Yeah, no, good question. So you're right, we did back out charges in those categories or cost in those categories. It's about 21 cents. They do relate to the economic impact of COVID and the effects on Pratt and Collins. I will tell you, you know, a small portion of these were in our original estimates, okay, but as the quarter evolved, new information came to light as we talked about around the timing of recovery pushing out to 23. more airline bankruptcies. And so, you know, the reserve amounts and the EACs hit a threshold where it was significant enough to be adjusted out of our earnings, you know, given the magnitude and the unique nature of things. You know, I would look at this as being rare and, you know, not indicative, right, of our underlying business performance. Because when you look at that, you're talking, you know, $400 million in the aggregate roughly 200 in each of the two segments. And then on top of that, you know, you mentioned the bankruptcies, right? I'm probably off, but there was at least five in the quarter, right? So in normal periods of time, we're not looking at five bankruptcies in a quarter, right, if you go back to pre-COVID. You know, we've made these estimates with the best information available, taking all the facts into consideration around bankruptcies, collectability, the effect of the lower flight hours that it has on our EAC. So we're confident in the, you know, the values that we recorded here in the quarter and then subsequently adjust it out.
Are you? Yeah. I was just going to say, I think what you seem to keep in mind, we've tried to take a conservative view of the customer's ability to pay. And so, again, this is an unusual thing to do in terms of taking the charges or this big a charge. I mean, it's very unusual. But, again, it's obviously an unusual time in the industry. So I wouldn't expect that there would be more big charges, but you can never, you know, if somebody big goes bankrupt, you just don't, we can't forecast that. So we've tried to be conservative, but not draconian here.
Greg, on that, have you seen customer health improve in July, let's say, or toward the end of Q2? Is the trend up in terms of bad debt and customer ability to pay and demand?
You know, if you'd asked me that question early in June, I would have said things are getting better. I would tell you, you know, advanced bookings are not looking up right now, given what's going on with the infection rate in this country and around the world. So, if anything, as we looked at this at the end of the second quarter, you know, we did that with keeping in mind that this is going to be a tough year for the commercial aerospace customers. And again, You know, most of the airlines, their financial health is going to be stretched as these passenger volumes remain low. So, again, I don't have a crystal ball to tell you whether or not there's more out there. I just think we've tried to do the best job we can in terms of the environment as we see it today.
Okay.
Thank you.
First of all, we have time for one more question.
Your next question comes from Seth Seifman with J.P. Morgan.
Thanks very much, and good morning. I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the working capital. So, you know, on a net basis, including defense, you know, the build was fairly modest in the quarter, and it sounds like you're expecting some significant improvement on the aerospace side in the back end half of the year. So, you know, should we still be thinking about a working capital build of, know billions across the company by year end 20 and also on the flip side of that about a working capital release opportunity of that magnitude in um the coming you know years or or have you guys been able to flatten that out so i think we're you know i won't say that we're totally flattened it out but again consistent with accelerating
the underlying, you know, actions to support the $4 billion of cash conservation, we have started to flatten that out. Here, you know, in Q2, we do expect, again, primarily in the back half of the year, maybe even a little Q4 biased, you know, a reduction in our working capital, right, as these initiatives continue to take hold. You know, Pratt and Collins are doing a good job, you know, balancing and managing their supply chain and inputs in a very balanced way, taking into account that we need to maintain the health of the supply base. So we would expect as a subset of the $4 billion of cash conservation to see a benefit from inventory and working as a subset of working capital and overall working capital reduction. by the end of the year. That said, at the company level, obviously part of that's from RMD and RIF defense side of it. And we'd still think that there's an opportunity in 2021 to further reduce working capital and adjust more with the demand signals, you know, tied to the shape and the cadence of the recovery.
Great. Thanks very much.
Thanks, Seth.
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