Sonic Automotive, Inc.

Good morning and welcome to the Sonic Automotive Second Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. This conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, July 24, 2025. Presentation materials which accompany management's discussion on the conference call can be accessed at the company's website at .SonicAutomotive.com. At this time, I would like to refer to the Safe Harbor Statement under the Private and Securities and Litigation Reform Act of 1995. During this conference call, management may discuss financial projections, information, or expectations about the company's products or market, or otherwise make statements about the future. Such statements are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, management may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please refer to the non-GAAP reconciliation tables in the company's current report on Form 8K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission earlier today. I would now like to introduce Mr. David Smith, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Sonic Automotive. Mr. Smith, you may begin your conference.

Thank you very much and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Sonic Automotive Second Quarter 2025 earnings call. I'm David Smith, the company's Chairman and CEO. Joining me on today's call is our President, Jeff Dike, our CFO Heath Byrd, our Echo Park Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Tim Keen, and our VP of Investor Relations, Danny Weiland. I would like to open the call by sincerely thanking our amazing teammates for continuing to deliver a world-class guest experience for our customers. We believe our strong relationships with our teammates, our guests, and manufacturer and lending partners are key to our future success. And as always, I would like to thank them all for their continued support and loyalty to the Sonic Automotive team. Turning now to our Second Quarter results, primarily as a result of a non-cash charge, a non-cash charge relating to our annual franchise asset impairment testing, reported GAAP EPS was a loss of $1.34 per share. Excluding these non-cash impairment charges and the effect of certain other items as detailed in our press release this morning, adjusted EPS for the Second Quarter was $2.19 per share, which was a 49% increase year over year. Consolidated total revenues were a Second Quarter record, up 6% year over year, while consolidated gross profit grew 12%, and consolidated adjusted EBITDA increased 22%. Moving now to our franchise dealership segment results, we generated Second Quarter record franchise revenues of $3.1 billion, up 6% year over year on a same store basis, this revenue growth was driven by a 5% increase in same store new retail volume, and a 10% increase in same store fixed operations revenues. Second Quarter results benefited from an increase in consumer demand and new vehicle sales in April and early May, which we expect was the result of customers buying in advance of anticipated tariff driven price increases. Our fixed operations gross profit and F&I gross profit also set all-time quarterly records, up 12% and 15% year over year, respectively, on a same store basis. These two high margin business lines continue to increase their share of our total gross profit pool, approaching 75% of total gross profit for the Second Quarter, mitigating the potential tariff impact on vehicle pricing and margin to our overall profitability, while also leveraging our SG&A expenses more efficiently than vehicle-related gross profit. Our same store new vehicle GPU was $3,391, down 6% year over year, but up 10% sequentially from the first quarter due to a surge in pre-tariff consumer demand. On the used side of the franchise business, same store used volume decreased 4% year over year, driven by lower supply of late-model used vehicles and ongoing consumer affordability challenges. Same store used GPU increased 2% sequentially to $1,590 per unit. Our F&I performance continues to be a strength with all-time record quarterly franchised F&I GPU of $2,721 per unit in the Second Quarter, up 12% sequentially and 14% year over year. The continued growth in our F&I per unit supports our view that F&I per unit will remain structurally higher than pre-pandemic levels, even in a challenging consumer affordability environment as we continue to fine-tune our F&I product offerings and cost structure. Our parts and service, or fixed operations business, remains strong with a 12% increase in same store fixed operations gross profit in the Second Quarter. Same store warranty gross profit continued to be a tailwind in the Second Quarter, up 34% year over year, and same store customer pay gross profit grew 9% year over year and 7% sequentially. We believe this continued strength in customer pay revenues is attributable to the increase in technician headcount we achieved in 2024 and our efforts to not only retain these technicians, but to continue to grow our technician capacity in 2025. Turning now to our Echo Park segment, Second Quarter segment income was an all-time quarterly record $11.7 million and adjusted EBITDA was an all-time quarterly record of $16.4 million, up 128% year over year. For the Second Quarter, we reported Echo Park revenues of $509 million down 2% year over year and Second Quarter record Echo Park gross profit of $62 million, which was up 22% year over year. Echo Park segment retail unit sales volume for the quarter increased 1% year over year and Echo Park segment total GPU was an all-time quarterly record of $3,747 per unit, up $669 per unit year over year and $336 sequentially from the first quarter. We continue to believe that our data-driven centralized inventory management strategy is a key differentiator for Echo Park, which should help to minimize disruptions from market volatility in the short term while maximizing Echo Park's long-term growth potential. When combined with the strategic adjustments we made to our Echo Park business model, we believe we are well positioned to resume disciplined long-term growth for Echo Park in 2026, assuming used vehicle market conditions sufficiently improve. Turning now to our Power Sport segment, we generated record Second Quarter revenues of $48.1 million, up 21% year over year and Second Quarter gross profit of $12.5 million, up 17% year over year. Power Sport segment adjusted EBITDA was $2 million, down 13% year over year, but beginning to ramp up ahead of what is typically a seasonally strong third quarter. We are beginning to see the benefits of our investment in modernizing the Power Sport business and we remain focused on identifying operational synergies within our current network before deploying capital to expand our Power Sports footprint. Finally, turning to our balance sheet, we entered the quarter with $775 million in available liquidity, including $210 million in combined cash and floor plan deposits on hand. Our focus on maintaining a strong balance sheet and liquidity position allowed us to complete the acquisition of four Jaguar Land Rover dealerships in California using cash and floor plan deposits on hand. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome these teammates to the Sonic Automotive family. This acquisition closed on June 30th, so there was no impact to our Second Quarter results, but we do anticipate these stores will contribute approximately $500 million in annualized revenues to our franchise dealership segment and make Sonic Automotive the largest Jaguar Land Rover retailer in the U.S., further enhancing our luxury brand portfolio. Going forward, we remain focused on deploying capital via diversified growth strategy across our franchise dealerships, Echo Park and Power Sports segments to grow our revenue base and enhance shareholder returns. In addition, I'm very pleased to report today that our board of directors approved a 9% increase to our quarterly cash dividend to $0.38 per share, payable on October 15th, 2025, to all stockholders of record on September 15th, 2025. As we told you back in April, we continue to work closely with our manufacturer partners to understand the impact of tariffs on manufacturer production and pricing decisions and the resulting impact tariffs may have on vehicle affordability and consumer demand later this year. To date, we have not seen a material impact on vehicle pricing as a result of tariffs, but that could change as the Model Year 2026 vehicles begin to arrive at our dealerships late in the Third Quarter. Despite this uncertainty, our team remains focused on near-term execution and adapting to ongoing changes in the automotive retail environment and macroeconomic backdrop while making strategic decisions to maximize long-term results. Furthermore, we remain confident that we have the right strategy and the right people and the right culture to continue to grow our business and create long-term value for our stakeholders. This concludes our opening remarks and we look forward to answering any questions you may have. Thank you.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question today comes from Jeff Lick of Stevens. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, gentlemen. Congrats on a great quarter again. Thank

you.

Thank you. Good morning. I was wondering, there's a lot of cross currents and noise in 2Q. Obviously, the beginning of the quarter maybe looks a little different than the exit. You have some tariff deals. I'm just curious of the things, what surprised you the most? What are you pleased with the most? As we head into the back half, what are the things you think are indicative of how the back half will go versus, you might say to the analyst community, those particular metrics, I'd be cautious with those and don't read too much into them.

Hey, Jeff. It's Jeff Dyke. Yeah, I mean, obviously, the first part of the quarter took off due to the tariff noise. It did slow down at the end of June and was slow a little bit the first week or two of July. But what is surprising a little bit is the business, the back half of July, is picking up nicely. We're going to have a great July, and that's not something that we really anticipated. We thought it would be more average, given all the noise with the tariffs. Obviously, the Japan deal is going to help. We need to secure something with the EU. But that's a surprise. I'm very proud of our F&I performance. We've worked very hard to increase our product penetration above the 2.0 mark, and we've worked very hard on reducing cost with our partners that provide the products. The combination of those things has really driven, as you can see in the quarter, a nice, nice increase. We expect that increase to continue. The 2,700 number is a number that feels good for us moving forward from a franchise perspective for the rest of the year. And then obviously, we're very, very proud of the work that we've done at Echo Park. Echo Park is just on fire, selling a lot of cars. A little more margin pressure, I think, in the third quarter than we might anticipate in maybe the back half of the year. But we're hitting all of our expectations. Obviously, the profit's great, and that's putting us in a position to really begin to expand Echo Park as we move into 2026.

And this is David. I think that it's important to emphasize that our Echo Park stores still have a lot of runway left, a lot of performance increases to go yet in our current store base. I think that's exciting, and our team did obviously an outstanding job. Another point to note is that our Power Sports business, again, is a seasonal business, and we have our... We're very excited that coming up next month is our 85th annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the 85th anniversary. We're expecting as many as 800,000 people will come out there for that, and we're expecting some huge numbers to report on that in the next quarter.

And then just a quick follow up on curious your thoughts on the lease return trough this year versus next year. I don't want to say it's going to be a boom, it should be hard for it not to be considerably better than this year. Curious how that ripples through both in your franchise business and Echo Park.

Yeah, that's huge. I mean, we are at the bottom of this now, and obviously, as lease returns pick up, that makes a huge difference in our used vehicle inventory and our ability to grow our volume. Makes it a lot easier to access inventory, so it's going to make a difference in 26. There's no question it'll help Echo Park as well. And then as we get into 27 and 28, it really gets back to the pre-pandemic levels, and that is a game changer from an Echo Park perspective. It does help our franchise business, there's no question, but it allows Echo Park to have access to inventory that's just really not as accessible right now. We're doing a great job buying more cars off the street. We're hitting, at times, above 40% of our total mix off the street in trades, which is huge. That's double what we were doing last year. But the lease returns are going to make a big, big difference, and it's just a honey hole that's coming for us.

Awesome. Well, thanks very much, and I look forward to challenge you later.

Thanks, Jeff.

Thank you. The next question is from Rajay Gupta of JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. I had one question on Echo Park and this one follow-up on GPU. On Echo Park, if you look at just the volume trajectory in the second quarter, obviously GPUs were very strong. Is there an element of here, over here, of trading off one for the other? Because we have expected volumes to do better, just relative to the industry seasonality. I was curious if there is a bit of a change in approach or strategy as to how you want to grow overall Echo Park profits versus just historically how you had wanted to grow the business?

We're just being cautious in terms of the inventory management. Tim can chime in here in a second. But yeah, we're being cautious in terms of how much inventory we're buying and maximizing our margin. So the total gross dollars is growing the bottom line. I would expect this to continue for the rest of this year in this range in comparison to last year somewhere in this ballpark. And then for us, I think we announced 50 to 55 million in terms of EBITDA for the year now, upping our guidance from 30 to 35, I think. So yeah, I think that's right. But it doesn't mean there's not more volume there. We're just being real cautious and not going out over buying and making some of the mistakes that we see happening out there today. And so it's not a concern for us. We can turn up the volume when we want. But we're just managing the gross and the profit in the volume. And I think Tim and team are doing a great job. Tim, you want to add to that?

Yeah, I mean, the second quarter, we saw a fairly unstable MMR market going on the upside, probably caused by the tariff scares as well. And so we managed through that very strategically, held on to our gross, didn't buy up, kept a day supply where we wanted it. And I thought we managed through that well. And we'll continue to do that through the rest of the year as we see opportunities.

And I think one more point, this is Danny, if you look at the trend in SG&A at Echo Park, despite the fact that we saw that sequential step down in volume, the SG&A actually levered about 110 basis points from one queue to two queue. So it just proves we've got some flexibility in the model based on the different contributions of gross via volume, front end gross or F&I that we can adapt and flex over the next couple of quarters here as the used market becomes more of a tailwind for us.

Got it. Got it. Yeah, it was nice to see the SG&A step down clearly. And then, sorry, I just one more on just F&I before the GPU question. You mentioned some of the changes in your agreements with the partners that drove the F&I increase. I'm curious if you could elaborate a bit more on that. Was it on the warranty side? Was it on the lending side? And was this something that was left on the table in the past? And this is more entitlement levels. Just curious if we could get a little more color on that.

Yeah, sure. This is Jeff. Mostly on the product side. And what we did was put RFQs out, RFPs out, and renegotiated all our positions. And our team did an amazing job. We've been doing that since maybe the end of last year to now. And that's starting to really pay off. We're saving a ton of money. We've been making our partners a lot of money selling their products. And as we studied that and we looked at how much money they were making, we thought there was opportunity there for us to share in some of the dollars. And that came to fruition. And so we're hitting it. Not only are we performing better at the store level, but we're also going out and reducing our costs. So those things are coming together at the same time. And that's driving much higher penetrations. It's driving better margin. And what's great is if we don't sell one more car or one more product, we're making more money. And that was a big focus for us. Like technicians were the first half of last year, this has been a big focus for us the first half of this year. And it's really beginning to pay off. And we expect that to continue as we move forward.

Got it. Got it. That's very clear. And just lastly, just on new GPUs, just more housekeeping question. Any color you could give us on how like the different months of the quarter did on the new Waco GPU, you know, April, May, June, how that trended? That would be helpful.

Thanks. Yeah, GPUs in the beginning of the quarter were stronger than they were at the end of the quarter. Yeah, as

we mentioned, yeah, the demand spike that I talked about in our opening comments with the anticipation of the tariffs coming in, people did absolutely rushed out to buy. Yeah, I

mean, we're 3600 in that ballpark in April, maybe 3250 in May and 3300. But it's the end of the quarter. So we get some pickups and stuff in June. But the front end margin for new is materially higher than what we even anticipated to be for this calendar year. And I think it's going to stay in the same ballpark that we've been running. There's not any reason for it to massively drop off, which is great. That's a great tailwind for us for the remainder of the year.

Understood. Thanks for all the color and good luck.

You bet. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from Chris Pierce of Needham and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Can you just go in deeper on Ridgeout's question there? If we look at front end growth at Echo Park, I just want to confirm, is that sort of a change in strategy or it's due to certain market dynamics in this point in time? Because I notice now you're guiding to total vehicle GPU, not F&I GPU. So I just kind of want to get a sense of if it's just a unique moment in time, you're able to take advantage of that or due to inventory or if it's sort of

the market dynamics that's going to play a big role in this. I'm just curious, as the day, we're buying more cars off the street, and as we buy more cars off the street, margin's going to go up. That 40% number I was talking about makes a big difference there. But we do expect margin pressure in the third and fourth quarter. The use car inventory is moving around. Mannheim, as Tim said earlier, the Mannheim indexes are moving around. A lot of that's being played off just because of the tariffs. So it's going to be in and around same ballpark, but if there's 50 or $100 worth of margin pressure there is probably, you know, somewhere in that ballpark in total. And should get better as we go towards the end of the year, but there's a little uncertainty out there right now, and we'll see how that plays out. Not concerned in terms of the overall volume and the profitability. That should continue to stay solid, and that's why we took our forecast up for the year.

Okay. Perfect. Chris, this is David Smith. And something to note is, you remember our first Echo Park stores we opened in 2014, and if you look at our guest experience and our market penetration, you know, in a lot of markets we're the number one used dealer in the market, and if you look at our, we've got now over 100,000 five-star reviews, a big part of that, you know, is of our, you know, GPU, I think is our guest experience, and our repeat customers who are just choosing to buy from us. Again, we've had multiple, you know, sales to, you know, to the same family, and they tell that it's the entire guest experience, I think, that's paying off for us. So it's the, you know, we have the number one rated guest experience in the industry.

And Chris, to your point, this is Danny, on the total GPU shift in the guide away from the F&I piece, you know, you've seen now for the last two quarters we've improved our Echo Park F&I per unit by about $200 a unit, quarter over quarter, both in one queue and in two queue, and driven by some of the cost structure negotiations that Jeff was talking about, but that gives us more flexibility in terms of the total gross profit equation for Echo Park, and it's something where if we face front-end margin pressure, as Jeff, as Tim has said, in the coming quarters, the F&I gains help us maintain that kind of total $3,400 to $3,800 range, which is pretty comparable to what we make on our franchise side, despite the pricing differences at Echo Park.

Okay, perfect. And then just kind of playing off of that, you had talked about the RFQs you put out there for with your existing lenders. Are you seeing new lenders come to the auto loan market the way like Carvana is talking about finding new lenders, and is that causing sort of, I don't want to say a power shift, but a dynamic shift where you're able to have a little more pricing power, and is that, or is this just leverage with existing lenders, as you kind of grow the relationships and have these long-standing relationships?

Yeah, this is product providers that we're talking about, more along the lines of warranty and GAAP, and those products that we sell, that's where we're getting the leverage. We're not seeing a run of new lenders coming into the marketplace. Our margin that we're making from financing is relatively the same, where we're getting our pick up is through product sales and the cost reductions that we're seeing there, and that's just going back and really working hard. The teams work very hard on restructuring deals, still giving great wins to our partners, there's no question, but sharing in some of the wins that they've had over the years on the backs of our team, working really hard to grow their business. And so we want to share in some of that, and that's what's happening, and you're seeing our cost reduce, thus growing our margin, which is great. Like I said earlier, we're not selling another car, we're not selling another product. We can keep the same numbers and have better results because of the work the team has done.

Okay, perfect. And just lastly for me real quick, Echo Park unit guidance is unchanged, which implies maybe a little bit of a modest pick up in the second half, not pick up, but in the sense of pick up in terms of the growth you just printed at Echo Park units, is that driven by easier comps in the second half of the year, or is that just some end market view?

It's a little bit of a combination of the two. If you were to look at the back half of 24, there were some challenges. There were some pockets of consumer weakness on the used car side, so it's a combination of those two things, I think, as we look forward.

Okay, thanks for everything. Thank you.

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is from Brett Jordan of Jeffreys. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys. This is Patrick Buckley on for Brett. Thanks for taking our questions. On the franchise used GPU side, with the first half settling a bit above the upper end of the $1,500 annual guide, should we expect some moderation in the second half, and what sort of headwinds could you be expecting there?

You know, I think that we're going to be in and around that number. It could be just a little bit like at Echo Park. July and August, we're just not quite sure from a tariff perspective what's happening. It's putting day supply pressure, and manufacturers are acting a little quirky, trying to get us to take inventory and put inventory in loaner cards and do things that they had been getting away from. So it might put a little pressure, but in and around that number, I feel comfortable. Yeah, the volume should be higher.

Got it. That's helpful. And then I guess, you know, going off that, you know, as you said, a lot of moving pieces with tariffs you have to shake out, but can you talk a bit about your expectations for new vehicles SAR trajectory from here and expectations for second half and maybe annual year?

I mean, your guess is as good as mine. At the end of the day, in the quarter, we went from 17 to 15. So it's all over the board. But 15, 16 million SAR kind of feels right somewhere in that ballpark, you know, unless something else crazy happens and we get another pull ahead or something, you know, happens. But somewhere in that ballpark, it's kind of our guess. Yeah, interest rates drop. That could change the game as well. It will just have to see, but it's somewhere in that ballpark.

Got it. That's all from us. Thanks, guys.

Thanks, Patrick.

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to David Smith for closing comments.

Well, thank you everyone for joining us for the call. We'll speak with you next quarter. Have a great day.

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