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Operator
Good morning. My name is Dennis, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Smith Douglas Homes fourth quarter and full year 2023 results conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the conference over to Eddie Clyde, Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead.
Eddie Clyde
Good morning, and welcome to Smith Douglas' first earnings call as a public company. We issued a press release this morning outlining some of the 2023 results we will discuss on today's call, which can be found on our website at investors.smithdouglas.com, or by selecting the investor relations link at the bottom of our homepage. Please note this call will be simultaneously webcast on the investor relations section of our website. Before we begin, please note that the discussion today includes forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including but not limited to statements about our ability to maintain our reputation for high-quality construction and customer satisfaction, our growth plan, the pursuit of strategic opportunities, and our future operations and financial performance. including our outlook for the first quarter of 2024 and the full year of 2024. These and other forward-looking statements are based on management's current assumptions and are neither promises nor guarantees and are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, and other important factors that may cause actual results to differ materially. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Smith-Douglas assumes no obligation to update such statements based on future developments or otherwise. We direct you to the company's most recent SEC filings, including the factors discussed under the caption, Risk Factors in Our Final Perspectives, filed with the SEC on January 10, 2024, in connection with our initial public offering for additional discussion of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. The company will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, during today's call. You can find a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation of those measures in our earnings release, which is available on our investor relations website. Now I'll turn the call over to our CEO and vice chairman, Greg Bennett.
Greg Bennett
Thanks, Eddie. Good morning and thanks for joining Smith Douglas inaugural earnings call as a publicly traded company. With me today, I have our founder and executive chairman, Tom Bradbury, and our EVP and CFO, Russ Devendorf. Before Russ and I share 2023 results and provide some color into our outlook for the company, I want to turn it over to Tom to say a few words.
Russ
Thank you, Greg. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in our IPO process for their support and believing in us as we start our journey as a public company. The demand and positive feedback we received from the investor community was humbling. I've been in this business for 50 years and never been more excited about all the opportunities we have in front of us to grow our business for many years to come. Having started my first home building company, Colony Homes, back in 1975 and forming one of the largest southeastern regional builders at the time, I had the chance to learn a lot of lessons prior to the colony sale to KB Home in 2003. This experience helped me set the DNA for what I wanted to create when I started Smith Douglas Homes just over 15 years ago. As I mentioned during the roadshow and what Greg will discuss here in a minute, we believe it's our people, our processes, and our systems that help make us special and set us apart from our competition. More importantly, it provides us the ability to deliver quality, affordable homes to our buyers with many options and choices. Lastly, I'd like to recognize and thank all Smith Douglas associates. I am blessed to have the opportunity to work with such professional and caring group of individuals. They are the key to our success and the heartbeat of our culture, which is defined by our mission, vision, and value statement in what we call our house. We aim to enhance people's quality of life with every home we build and everything we do. From our associates, our homebuyers, our business partners, and all Smith Douglas associates, embrace the saying, good, better, best. You never let it rest. So the good is better and the better is best.
Greg Bennett
Thanks, Tom. Before I get into our 2023 results, I first wanted to give a brief overview of Smith Douglas and the key components of our strategy that we believe set us apart from the competition for those who may not have had the opportunity to hear our pitch during the IPO. Smith Douglas was founded in Atlanta in 2008. As Tom mentioned, he immediately set about employing the lessons he had learned over the course of his career Building a company that not only excelled in building high-quality homes, but also one that aimed to deliver outsized returns on capital, there are several keys to achieving these goals. The first was the establishment of a culture that emphasized integrity, teamwork, and accountability. We believe we hold ourselves to a higher standard at Smith Douglas. And this is reflected in the homes that we build and the operational success that we've achieved. These core tenants are the foundation of our company and continue to guide the way we do business to this day. Our organization is only as good as its people and culture, and we believe we have the best in the business. The second key to our success was our mandate in building affordable, long-lasting homes that our customers are excited to live in. Despite our focus on affordability, we pride ourselves on building differentiated homes that allow for personalization according to a buyer's wants and needs. And we established a reputation for quality construction and high levels of customer satisfaction in our markets. And we intend on maintaining the reputation into the future. Another key to our success has been our emphasis on operational efficiency. Through the implementation of our smart builder and our team platforms, we've been able to streamline the process of building and closing homes, leading to cycle times and inventory turnover rates that are some of the best in the industry. This requires the coordinated efforts of everyone involved in the home building process, both internal and external to our organization, and we're proud of the operational machine that we have built. The final pillar of our strategy was to establish and maintain a land-light balance sheet. One of the important lessons from the last downturn was that much of the risk and potential for financial ruin in this business stemmed from carrying and developing land, so we strive to take ownership of our lots in a just-in-time manner. This strategy not only limits our operational and financial risk, it also leads to enhanced returns on capital. We also believe it smooths out some of the variability that is associated with our industry. Since our founding in 2008, we went on to expand our operations into Raleigh, Birmingham, Huntsville, Nashville, Charlotte, and most recently Houston, demonstrating that the operational philosophies are repeatable and scalable while delivering outside growth, profit margins, and returns. We believe we can continue to grow in a profitable manner through organic expansion within our existing markets and through additional M&A activity. In terms of our performance in 2023, Smith Douglas delivered pre-tax income of $123 million. Home sales revenue grew by just over 1% year-over-year due to a 4% increase in home closings. partially offset by a 3% decrease in average sales price. Our home closing gross margin came in at 28.3%. Net orders for the year were up 2,368 of 23% year-over-year and ended the year with 912 homes in backlog with a contract value of $311 million, a 20% increase over the previous year. Our cycle times are currently running around 60 to 65 days across all of our divisions outside of Houston, which we acquired last July. For 2023, our inventory turnover was 3.4 times, excluding the effect of our Houston acquisition. We continue to integrate Houston on our platform and processes and are targeting mid-year to have them fully operational on our smart builder ERP system. We are pleased with the performance thus far and look forward to increasing our market share. Overall, I would characterize the current new home sales environment in our markets as good, with strong housing fundamentals and healthy consumer confidence being somewhat tempered by affordability concerns. We continue to see motivated and engaged buyers at all of our communities and believe our ability to offer high-quality, differentiated homes at a reasonable price point remains a competitive advantage for our company. Before I turn the call over to Russ, I want to emphasize that we run our company with a long-term focus and not in a manner that prioritizes meaning external quarterly projections. Home building is not a linear business, and oftentimes what may benefit a company in the short term may not be beneficial in the long-term goals of the company. We have been and will continue to be focused on creating value for stakeholders over the long term and hope to attract investors with similar mindsets. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Russ.
Russ
Thanks, Greg. As many of you know, we were the first company to IPO on the New York Stock Exchange in 2024. We priced at $21 a share, which was at the high end of our range, and were more than 15 times oversubscribed. We raised just over $172 million in net proceeds, of which $125 million were primary proceeds with the balance going to our selling shareholders. The total outstanding share count after consummating the IPO is 51.3 million shares, of which 42.4 million are Class B shares held by our continuing equity owners, with the balance being our Class A shares that represent our public float. As Greg and Tom mentioned, we are extremely excited and appreciative of the support we received during the roadshow. Prior to our IPO, we were structured as an LLC and flow-through entity for tax purposes. Our corporate structure following the IPO is commonly referred to as an umbrella partnership C corporation or up C structure. In short, we chose a structure for some of the tax advantages it will potentially offer the continuing equity owners and the company in the future. We encourage our shareholders and future investors to read our organizational structure section in our final prospectus filed with the SEC on January 10th, 2024, for additional information. As Greg mentioned, we generated $123 million of income in 2023. Our adjusted net income, which is a non-GAAP measure that we believe is useful given our organizational structure, was $92.4 million and assumes a 25% blended federal and state effective tax rate as if we were 100% public ownership operating as a subchapter C corporation. We believe adjusted net income is a useful metric because it allows management and investors to evaluate our operating performance and comparability more effectively to industry peers that may have a more traditional organizational and tax structure. Concurrent with our IPO, we also close on our amended and restated unsecured credit facility. We are excited to add three new lending partners and appreciative of the existing lenders who have supported us over the years. We upsized our facility from $175 million to $250 million and extended the maturity to January of 2027. Additionally, the facility has an accordion feature that allows us to increase the total facility size to $350 million as needed. We used a portion of the IPO proceeds to pay off all outstanding debt under the prior facility and, as of today, continue to have no outstandings on the line. We believe the IPO proceeds and our new credit facility provide us with sufficient liquidity to pursue our growth plan of expanding our existing markets and pursuing other potential strategic opportunities. We finished 2023 with 12,800 total controlled lots, an increase of 48% over 2022. True to our landline operating philosophy, only 524 of our controlled lots were unstarted, meaning that 96% of our controlled lots were either work in process or under options. In a normalized market, we would expect our lot supply to stay within our targeted range between 3.5 to 5.5 years of supply, calculated based on our forecasted closings over a rolling 12-month period. As we previously reported in our release earlier this month, year-to-date February new orders and closings were 484 and 335 homes, respectively. Our backlog at the end of February was 1,061 homes. We are currently operating out of 68 active selling communities. We expect our first quarter 2024 net new orders to finish at or above 750 homes compared to 664 in the first quarter of 2023, and home closings to finish between 540 and 560 homes compared to 500 closings in the first quarter of 2023. For the full year 2024, we are projecting total home closings between 2,600 and 2,800 homes. We expect our average selling price to range between $340,000 to $345,000 and home closing gross margin to finish between 25.25% to 26.25%, including an approximate 50 basis point impact from purchase accounting related to our Houston acquisition. We believe the primary risk to our projections are around our ability to maintain sales pace and bring our new communities and lots online. We continue to see some delays in municipalities on permitting and PLATs. Macroeconomic factors, primarily around jobs, inflation, and interest rates, could also have unforeseen impacts to our numbers. As mentioned during our roadshow, we are focused on building a sustainable legacy home building business that will thrive for decades to come. We are thankful for those shareholders that come along for the ride and intend to be transparent and investor-friendly as we navigate life as a public company. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to the operator for instructions on Q&A.
Operator
At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Please limit yourselves to one question and one follow-up question. If you have additional questions, you may re-enter the queue. And your first question is from the line of Michael Rehauld with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Michael Rehauld
Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. This is Andrew Ozzie on for Mike. Good morning.
Russ
Good morning.
Michael Rehauld
Russ, I just wanted to ask, as you think about your ambitious long-term closings goal between organic growth in your current markets, expansion in new markets, and M&A, which lever are you expecting to focus on to see the most opportunity in the short and long term?
Russ
Yeah, as we talked about on the roadshow, we think the easiest path for growth is in our existing footprint. There's definitely plenty of opportunity in our markets to gain market share, especially with the additional capital and putting that to work. And we're seeing a lot of new deals come through our investment committee every week, so that's very positive. On the flip side, from an M&A perspective, there are a lot of opportunities out there. So we're looking at things. We see a lot of things come across our desk. But we're not just going to jump on something to grow top line. It's got to be the right fit for us. Clearly, we're focused on the southern half of the U.S., the southern markets we'd love to fill in. you know, some adjacent markets, you know, that fit within our strategy. So, look, I tell you, if we see something we like, we're going to go after it. But right now, you know, we see the opportunity, the present opportunity is just within our existing markets. But, you know, look, I hate to say, but, you know, something can pop up next week that we see and we go after it. So, we're open, you know, as long as it fits.
Michael Rehauld
Thanks for that. And then, you know, I believe you guys said that demand was looking good, kind of similar to what we're hearing from some of the other builders. I mean, would you characterize demand as being somewhat consistent with normal seasonality? Obviously, your historicals are a bit limited, or is it more something maybe stronger than typical this time of year? No.
Greg Bennett
Thanks for the question. Yeah, I would relate it more to a more seasonal, you know, more like the usual spring momentum going into the spring selling season. Just nothing outside of the normal spring activity.
Russ
Yeah, the one thing I would add is when we were on the roadshow, you know, we had just come off of December and rates had pulled back significantly. you know, end of November, early December. And I think we probably saw a little bit of a pull through in December because December kicked off really strong and we were feeling like that was, you know, spring selling season was here already. Um, you know, January was, was good. I think progressively through the quarter things got better, but I do think we had a little bit of, uh, an initial bump in December and some pull through. And then it kind of, like Greg said, it kind of got back to,
Operator
uh what we'd say is is you know a normal normal you know seasonality normal market thanks so much guys i'll pass it on thanks thank you your next question is from the line of rafi jadros with bank of america please go ahead hi good morning it's rave thanks for uh taking my questions aaron
Q4
Just starting out, Russ, can you just help sort of bridge us from the 28% plus, the really strong 28% plus gross margin in 23 to the guidance of 25 and a quarter to 26 and a quarter? And then what's embedded in that outlook in terms of land inflation, labor inflation and materials?
Russ
Yeah, sure. Good good question. So let me let me highlight where we were in fourth quarter and I know we didn't. We didn't provide specific fourth quarter and and just touching on the release for a second. You know, we gave full year full year results. We're still going through a couple of things on our audit. We're going to file our 10 K April 1st and so you know apologize for being a little light on on Q4 but Q4. gross margin was 26.7%, and then if you add back interest and we had some purchase accounting, we were 27.5%. So we saw gross margin progressively throughout the year start to drift down a little bit, which we expected. So we did, we finished at 28.3, and then our projection for this year, like I said, it was 25.25 to 26.25. That includes 50 basis points right now, what we estimate about 50 basis points of purchase accounting. So, you know, if you add back that, if you add back purchase accounting and what we would say is, you know, looking at us on a more normalized basis, you know, it's that 25 and three quarters percent to 26 and three quarters percent. So I think it's, that's pretty consistent with what we've thought, you know, going into this year and what we thought during the roadshow. And like we said, most of that is all coming from compression. The margin compression is coming from, you know, increase in land costs. Our vertical costs have remained pretty steady. And, you know, in some cases it gets better. You know, it just depends on what line item you look at. Some cases it gets a little bit worse. But really the pressures that we're seeing, and we continue to see this when we see new land deals coming through investment committee, is it's primarily on the land cost side. You know, that's where there's a ton of competition You know, builders are pushing. You can see what's happening just in the M&A market, right? Folks are looking to grow. And so that's where the land compression or the margin compression will, where we see coming from. So if I had to tell you, like, that number, you know, from 28.3 to our estimates going into next year, I'd say it's all going to be on that land line item.
Q4
Thanks, that's really helpful. And then sort of following up on that, can you talk about how much you used land banking versus optioning directly from the developer? And then are you seeing any changes there in terms of the additional cost from using land banking? Is it more difficult to find bankers or are you still finding a lot of opportunities?
Russ
Yeah, the percentage of our deals that are going to land bankers are increasing. And that's, it's primarily due to the fact that I think number one, if it's a traditional land seller or Joe farmer, you know, he just, he wants to get out, move on. I think, you know, financing is becoming more difficult, maybe for some of these land sellers or developers. And so they don't want to hold. hold the land. They'd rather just say, hey, I just want to flip it. I kind of want to get out. And that's fine with us. We've got plenty of land bank opportunities with our partners. We talk to folks every day. Our existing partners are great. There's plenty of capacity. We're looking at some other opportunities to put a more programmatic deal in place and hopefully make the process a bit simpler and also help, you know, maybe bring some of the costs down. But, you know, land bank is, you know, it's a market deal. But so there's plenty of capital out there for us to continue using land bank. And I do think land bank will be a higher percentage of our option lots going forward. Thank you. Appreciate all the color. Sure. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question is from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Good morning.
Mike Dahl
Thanks for taking my questions. Just back on the gross margin dynamic, I think 4Q actually came in a little above where you had been expecting kind of on the roadshow and the guidance. I think it's the upper end I think is kind of more consistent with where initially pegged it so it seems like you know margins came in a little stronger the demand environment you characterized it pretty solid but the midpoint of the gross margin range may be a little bit light of where you know the initial expectation was can so you know can you start off on it but talk a little bit more about some of the moving pieces there and um ex-purchase accounting changes in incentives any regional dynamics we should be aware of on on that maybe houston coming in lower margins help us help us on that a little bit more yeah are you are you talking about mike are you talking about q4 are you talking more about prospectively into into 2024 march well Yeah, prospectively against the backdrop where you actually beat a little in Q4, but then I think your initial expectation when we have been going through the process would be a little above 26 for a full year of 24, and now the midpoint's a little below 26. So just trying to understand kind of moving pieces.
Russ
Yeah, the biggest moving piece right there is when we put the model together, we still hadn't gone through or finalized some of our purchase accounting, the valuation stuff on Houston. So a lot of the movement right now, and look, I don't want to commit to anything, but I hope that we're a bit conservative on what we expect some of the purchase accounting and what some of our margin to be, but you know, sitting here today, still, you know, not even finished with first quarter and, you know, look, things feel pretty good. And, you know, I, I see our backlog, you know, margins and where those are going, what our trailing 13 weeks, and it feels pretty good, but I don't, you know, we don't want to put something out that we, that we, you know, don't feel comfortable right now. You know, we, we intend, you know, look, when we do our, Our first quarter call in May, hopefully we'll have, you know, we'll be able to tighten some things up. But, you know, sitting here today, you know, we kind of felt, okay, you know, the midpoint still is pretty close to what we described on the roadshow. We have a little bit more clarity on our, you know, purchase accounting, what Houston, you know, that the acquisition should hit as far as margin. That's really the biggest moving piece. Everything else is, you know, exactly what we thought just in terms of the margin compression, you know, coming from the land, as I mentioned to Rafe. Okay.
Mike Dahl
Yeah, that helps. Maybe just as a quick follow-up, could you help us understand kind of since purchase accounting might be heavier in the initial quarters, what the first quarter gross margin is expected to be? That's kind of a follow-up to the margin question, but then, you know, secondarily, Same idea on the closings. I think the 26 to 2800 might be a little light of expectation. Greg, I certainly appreciate that the business is not linear and you articulated some difficulties on the municipality side. Can you speak to that a little bit more and maybe what's tempering the closings expectations here?
Russ
Yeah, we should finish north of 26%, and I think we're just, I've got to go back and look and see where we are year-to-date February, but I feel like our margins are going to be north of the 26, and when we look at our aging of our backlog or, you know, as we roll through backlog, you know, it's interesting because I do see some positive movement on margins. I actually see where margins get better in a couple months out, and I think part of that is if you think about what happened last year, just in terms of December, when, you know, rates moved down and we're able to pull back a little bit on incentives, you know, kind of raising prices. I think you're seeing some of that where you're probably where we were discounting more in third into early fourth quarter last year. Well, some of that stuff is, you know, again, given our cycle times, you know, we'll close a lot of that stuff within three to five months. And so, I think what the phenomenon you'll see is maybe we have a little bit lower margins early on. It could get a little bit better, you know, just, you know, from the timing. And then, you know, again, what we're selling, you know, today and the next few months is what the stuff that will close at the end of the year. And so we'll kind of see. you know, the jury's still out. You know, how strong is this market going to be? Right now, like Greg said, we feel the market's pretty good. Buyer demand is still there. Still, you know, we'll see what the Fed does today. You know, still, you know, interested to see what, you know, what the rain environment does. So, you know, again, like I said, we feel like, you know, margins should be, you know, north of the 26%. And then in terms of your second part, which was in terms of the closings, you know, the 26 to 2800, you know, we feel pretty good sitting here today about the midpoint. Um, uh, we did, we met with, you know, for instance, we met with our Nashville division president yesterday, right? There's, we're still experiencing, and this is one of the risks that we outlined, uh, during the roadshow, you know, there's, there's a lot of municipality delays, you know, uh, with, with plats, um, even, even with some of our developers just getting, you know, lots online, that's always been, and I tell you outside of market risk, You know, just bringing lots online, that's the biggest risk to our plan. And, you know, meeting yesterday, there's, you know, just one community that I think it's going to take 20 homes out of our plan because the developer was supposed to deliver at the end of this quarter. And it's probably going to be, you know, end of second quarter now is, you know, best guess. So that, unfortunately, it impacts, you know, closings this year. So we see a little bit of movement there. But, you know, on the other hand, we are looking for finished lots, seeing what we can do this year to kind of backfill some of that. So that's, again, you know, hopefully that provides you a little bit of color. But, you know, we try to be transparent as we can on that stuff.
Mike Dahl
Yeah, that helps. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question is from the line of Jay McCandless with Whitbush. Please go ahead.
Jay McCandless
Morning, guys. Tom, Greg, Russ, congrats. I know it was a lot of hard work, but congrats on getting it done. Appreciate it, Jay. Yeah, absolutely. Would love to get an update on Houston, how the R team implementation is going, and any kind of early learnings or changes to the R team that you guys see you might need to make to get it implemented out there.
Greg Bennett
No, thanks, Jay. No, things have gone well. Extremely well in Houston. We are just in the last few weeks converted all accounting that is all being handled here locally through Atlanta now. All homes are running on schedule. We did our team designations across communities and have all those in alignment and have started now all the homes over on schedule. So I think we've been very thoughtful. We've had a team there, transition team there every week. So it's gone well. And we look to be fully our team operational here by the end of Q2. So it's been good.
Jay McCandless
It's great to hear. Thank you. And just wanted to ask again on the land side, it sounds like costs there are starting to move up. And how much would you estimate land costs are up now versus this time last year? And also, as part of that, we've seen lumber prices starting to move up again recently. When, if at all, should we expect that to impact the gross margin on closings?
Greg Bennett
Year-over-year land. Year-over-year land, yeah, I think what we're seeing more in land is it's become somewhat of a bidding game where it's really hard to predict the cost because every deal out there, it goes out to bid, and then you just hope to get in there. The material side of things, we're seeing enough demand that I think our pricing will trend with any of the costing issues. They've been minor. Our cost has stayed relatively predictable and pretty true to what we've seen historically there in a more normal market.
Russ
Yeah, as long as we don't see, you know, when things start getting out of line is when markets move way too fast up or down. So as long as we don't see what, you know, happened during, you know, the COVID, you know, times where you had those huge lumber spikes, I mean, like Greg said, we should be able to, typically you're able to move price in line with cost. But then, you know, again, there's also the interest rate factor and affordability factor. So that could could also put a cap on where you're able to move prices. But right now, it's not, you know, it's not something that we feel like will impact our 2024 numbers too much.
Jay McCandless
Okay. That sounds great. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Jay. Yep.
Operator
Once again, if you would like to ask a question, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is from the line of Sam Reed with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Sam Reed
Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking my question here, and congrats on the IPO getting that out the door. I wanted to touch on the incentive backdrop in a little bit more detail. You know, we've gotten some color from a few of your competitors on affordability and rate buy-down dynamics and everything like that. Just curious kind of your broader take on the incentive backdrop and maybe what you're seeing some of your competitors doing in some of your markets. Thanks.
Greg Bennett
Yeah, so our incentives are down noticeably. We still have, you know, in our model, which is a pre-sale bill-to-order model, our incentives tend to evolve around where we do have a cancellation, where we do have the need to start a spec unit, that we focus those dollars in moving those spec units. We've seen a trend downward on incentives and actually have seen a trend more toward taking some pricing opportunities.
Sam Reed
Awesome. No, thanks for that. And I guess kind of continuing on with the pricing dynamic here, you guys have any sense roughly as to what proportion of your communities you've taken up base pricing in kind of ahead of the spring selling season? Thanks.
Russ
Yeah. I don't we don't have an exact number but and look just so you know our process it's a community by community analysis I mean there's you know Atlanta for us for instance is so is so widespread you know we did over a thousand closings we're the third largest builder last year but there's there's pockets of Atlanta that are that are better than others so it really is you know like I said a community by community analysis but I would say Just as we see our trends for the last 13 weeks, and like I mentioned earlier about where margins are going, I tell you it's probably north of 50% where we're seeing either actual price increases in base price, but more so it'd be just a reduction in the incentive. The trend is positive, but like I said, the jury's still out. It feels pretty good. Market's good. Demand's good. But, you know, let's see what happens kind of as we get a little bit deeper, you know, towards the end of selling season. But, you know, so far, so good.
Sam Reed
Awesome. Thanks so much. Congrats again, and I'll pass it along.
Russ
Appreciate it.
Sam Reed
Thank you.
Operator
This does include the Q&A session of today's call. I will now turn the call back to Greg for closing remarks.
Greg Bennett
Great. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We really appreciate the support, the interest in Smith Douglas Homes. As Russ said, we're an investor-friendly group. We're glad to exchange. And thank you again, everyone. Have a great day.
Operator
This concludes the Smith Douglas Homes fourth quarter and full year 2023 results conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Your 2023 results conference call.
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