Stellantis N.V.

Hello, I welcome to Stellantis half year 2025 results. And I had the opportunity to host today, Mr. Ed Dittmeyer, head of investor relations, to begin today's conference.

Thank you. Thank you, George. Hello everyone, and thank you for joining us today as we review Stellantis' first half 2025 results. Earlier today, the presentation material for this call, along with the related press release, were posted under the investor section of the Stellantis Group website. Today, our call is hosted by Antonio Felosa, chief executive officer, and Doug Osterman, chief financial officer. After their prepared remarks, Antonio and Doug will be available to answer questions from the analysts. Before we begin, I want to point out that any forward-looking statements we might make during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the Safe Harbor statement included in page two of today's presentation. As customary, the call will be governed by that language. Now, I'll hand over the call to Antonio Felosa, chief executive officer, Stellantis. Thank

you. Good afternoon and good morning to everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. Before we dive into the presentation, I just want to say that it is a great privilege for me to talk to you today for the first time as Stellantis' CEO. I want to thank you for your interest in our company and the time and effort you put into understanding our performance, our perspectives, and our plans. Just a few words about me before I start. I have spent over 25 years working at this company. I have learned a lot about what drives performance and what gets in the way of performance, as well as the enduring value of our brands and the need to constantly ensure that they remain relevant. Most importantly, I have learned about the importance of our people and our culture. I believe in empowering our teams, encouraging them to be thoughtful, open, and decisive. I don't like blame. I like responsibility and accountability. And I like to be clear with our teams about the challenges we face and the opportunities we can unlock by acting with courage, with energy, and yes, with joy. These are simple observations, I know, but they are not simplistic. They will be at the heart of the way we will work together. If we have lost some of these in recent times, we are here to put that right, rolling up our sleeves, running towards the difficult decisions, and moving ahead. So let's begin with a summary overview of H1 and the outlook for H2. 2025 has been and will be a tough year, and these H1 results make that very clear. At the same time, we are making progress on our product wave and beginning to see early, but encouraging improvement. Our new leadership team is in place and is committed to taking the decisive actions. Our key commercial KPIs are much stronger now than they were six or 12 months ago. And the second half is a range of new products that will catalyze growth. We are establishing our financial guidance. What we want to achieve for the rest of the year is a gradual, sequential acceleration. We do that by launching new products, improving our execution, and by taking all the tough decisions needed as we start doing in H1. Now, I will ask Doug to walk us through the H1 financial review.

Thanks, Antonio. So let's walk through the numbers. Starting with the focus financial figures on page seven, which fully reflect what a tough period it was. Consolidated shipments of 2.7 million units fell 7%, with declines in North America and in large Europe slightly mitigated by growth in South America and Middle East and Africa. Net revenue of 74 billion euros saw a larger 13% decline as adverse regional mix and lower pricing added to the change in volumes. AOI margins were compressed as the early stage of our recovery actions was negatively impacted by external factors like tariffs and foreign exchange headwinds. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share generally track our AOI development and our industrial free cash flow was an outflow of 3 billion euros in the first half. While nowhere near our potential, each of these five figures did in fact improve in H1 2025 compared to the second half of 2024 as we benefited from new products, improved inventory discipline and more stable production schedules compared to the prior six months. Now let's look at the factors that drove the net revenue decline. The 13% decline year over year was the combination of volume, mix, pricing and forex, all presenting headwinds for the period but some of these factors are evolving in positive ways. First on volumes, consolidated shipments were down 7% as just mentioned while materially negative the first half year over year decline did represent a substantial improvement from the H2 2024 figure of minus 14% and there's encouraging progression within this first half as the second quarter of 2025 year over year decline reduced further to 6%. Next on pricing, which was down 2% in the first half of 2025, that negative 2% figure reflects first a minus 3% in the first quarter of 2025 and then a smaller headwind of negative 1% in the second quarter. Most of this improvement comes from North America. Let's look at the AOI bridge now from prior year. This is a particularly challenging walk considering the H1 2024 comparison period where the company ran at a 10% margin. AOI came in this year in the first half at 540 million euros with a 70 basis point margin reflecting the aforementioned volume mix pricing and FX headwinds. These combined with a 1.6 billion euro increase in industrial costs. Industrial costs were impacted by higher warranty expense and lower volumes that reduce the spread of our fixed overhead as well as a net 330 million euros of tariff expense. I think it's important to emphasize here that the prior year period that we're comparing to from H1 of 2024 was the last with pricing of the supply constrained era and the last before a very significant reset in the second half of 2024 to address what at the time were outsized inventories and declining market share. With that in mind, we're now going to take a look at the sequential improvement in AOI comparing the first half of 2025 to the second half of 2024. In particular, volumes improved sequentially as new product launches helped the European business and North America moved past successful inventory reduction initiatives. Pricing improved 1% sequentially with North America being the big driver. And it's encouraging to see industrial costs moving in the right direction as our production schedules became more steady in both North America and in large Europe in the first half of this year. Now let's turn to industrial free cashflow. Obviously a very difficult result for the first half of 2025 with 3 billion euros in cash outflows. The main reason for this was AOI generation that was simply too low. Even adding back the DNA, this figure was too low to cover our CapEx and R&D spending in the period. But we did manage to lower investment expenditures versus the prior year. There was also a headwind of 1.3 billion euros of working capital increase due in part to production disruptions related to our initial tariff response. Looking at inventories now, we can see that our corrective actions in 2024 have gotten us back to healthy levels. And as you can see, we're now maintaining that discipline through 2025. Globally, the trend for the following months should be flattish to perhaps a slight increase, including impacts of ramping the recently introduced B and C segment vehicles in Europe, but also the planned North American launches such as the new Cherokee. Now let's review a few of the specifics on each of our regional segments. North America and Europe remain in their turnaround phases, but the other regions are delivering very consistent results in the meantime. In North America, performance was impacted by tariffs, as well as from lower fleet performance and improved inventory discipline. In Europe, results reflect 13% lower industry volumes in LCVs, which is a stronghold for us in Europe. Shrinking, but still meaningful product transition gaps, and a roughly 500 million euro provision for a campaign on a 1.5 liter diesel engine. Our results in South America reflect our continued market share leadership, coupled with industry growth in two of the key markets, Brazil and Argentina. And in Middle East and Africa, a couple of notable items. First, we experienced FX headwinds to AOI due to a decline in the Turkish lira that constituted around 600 million euros. The second and importantly, we continue to have a lot of momentum on the business side, including continued share leadership in Turkey and ramping local production in Algeria. Moving to our summary financial figures table, let's focus on the balance sheet for a minute. Industrial liquidity finished the first half at 47 billion euros, consisting of a positive 31 billion euros of cash and liquid securities. That 31 billion euros was bolstered by first half bond issuances of 3.6 billion euros. In addition, the liquidity figure includes 16 billion euros in undrawn committed credit facilities. This puts our industrial liquidity to trailing 12 month revenues at 32%. That's a little above our targeted range of 25 to 30%, and certainly in a very strong position. Now let's just talk a little bit about tariffs. Previously, we had provided a range of one to 1.5 billion euros as the expected net tariff expense for this year. With the increased production levels expected in the second half of the year, we believe that we'll be at the upper end of that range, or approximately 1.5 billion euros. The tariff dynamic, as you know, continues to evolve. We're of course engaged in discussions with various policy makers, and we'll continue to provide updates as things evolve over time. As Antonio mentioned in his opening remarks, we are reestablishing financial guidance. With H1 in the books, we want to provide a clear view of how we see the rest of the year developing. And our second half 2025 guidance tells a story of continued improvement. Net revenues are expected to increase half over half, and AOI margin is expected to be in the low single digits. Lastly, we expect improvements in industrial free cash flow as compared to the first half of 2025. We're not of course anywhere near or close to the full potential of this company, but we're making the tough decisions and executing on fundamental issues to build on our first half progress in the second half and beyond. So now I'll hand it back to you, Antonio.

Thank you, Doug. Let's start with the Renewable Leadership Team at Stellantis, and now we are operating. The Stellantis leadership team I have appointed on my very first day as CEO is made of proven performers. Several joined in the top team for the first time, and others taking on expanded responsibilities. These are leaders that know us, know our brands, know our people and teams, understand our customer, and will bring the energy that this moment demands. As a team, we will also take together the tough decision to accelerate the business. Let me go through some of the actions we have taken already in each one in detail to give a clear picture of how we are operating moving forward. We made the decision to end our fuel cell initiatives in Europe. Why? Because it was clear that in the absence of any reasonable prospect to develop a market for these products, there is no path to profitability. We have also stopped product initiatives that we understood were poorly suited to customer needs. At the same time, we are already taking actions to develop and launch products that we know represent a clear opportunity for us. A small but good example of this is the RAM 1500 Express Stream Level. Very affordable and very appealing to the customer. It will substitute the RAM DS Classic that we have discontinued the last year. It will help for sure regain its share in the entry-level light duty truck segment. I said that one was tough, but I also said we made meaningful progress. Let me give some details on that. We were able to decrease total inventory by 16% in Europe and North America combined. That is over the last year. Maintaining discipline on inventories, as we are shown from December 24 to June 25, is key to prepare the ground for the great new product launches that are coming very soon. On the combined order books for both regions, North America and Europe, we increased 14% in the last year and 34% in only the last six months. A very good dynamic with our dealers and with our customers. And then in our other regions, in particular South America and Middle Eastern Africa, we are delivering very well, showing a combined 6% improvement of AOI from H2-24 to H1-25. At the beginning of the year, we set three priorities, growth, execution, and profitability. Let's see how we are doing. First, growth, where we have an exciting lineup of new vehicles and new power trains recently launched or on their way. Let's start with our new products. We have 10 new products for this year, along with several important refreshes or relevant nameplates. In H1, we launched already four of the new products, including three very competitive B-segment products in Europe. The Citroen Citroen I-Cross, the Opel Frontera, and the Fiat Grande Panda. These have been very well received in terms of reviews and in terms of customer orders. And we have much more for the rest of the year. First, three all new Stella Medium products in Europe. Later in the year, we will welcome back some very iconic nameplates with a variety of IZ, HEV, and MHEV power trains, correcting decisions that removed those nameplates from our lineup for significant periods. Let me talk more about the three Stella Medium products for Europe. These vehicles are exciting mid-size cars, each targeting a distinctive customer segment. Their launches also strengthen our platform consolidation strategy. Since they are all on the Stella Medium platform, which they share already with Peugeot 3008, Peugeot 5008, and Opel Grandland. As you know, historically, we have been strong in Europe on A, B, and light commercial vehicle segments, but not as strong in mid-sides. So here is a good example of Stellantis moving to introduce cutting edge products that will boost our market coverage and will accelerate sales. Moving to North America, we will return with some truly iconic vehicles that have been absent for far too long. This is extremely exciting to us. Let me talk first about the all new Jeep Cherokee. We will begin production in H2 after more than two years of absence. The all new Jeep Cherokee will mark our return into the mid-size SUV segment, the larger segment in the US industry. And this will happen with a substantially upgraded product with our first ever HEV powertrain, and of course, a full dose of distinctive Jeep design and all terrain capability. Moving to Dodge, we will begin production in late 2025. And that will be of the exciting IZ Dodge Charger six pack in both two and four door configurations after nearly two years of absence. This will be critical to re-vigorating our strong connection with the incredible community of Dodge enthusiasts in United States. And much more is coming. To better illustrate what I mean by reconnecting with our customer base and our community, let me share with you this beautiful campaign. Enjoy.

Last year, Ram killed the Hemi V8, and people had opinions. The same people that killed the Hemi sent me out here with these comments. That's not happening. We own it, we got it wrong, and we're fixing it. You hear that? That's our Hemi, and it's saying, I'm back.

Did he say what I think he said? That thing's got a Hemi.

You want more? Buckle up. Ram's coming back for NASCAR. Let's go, baby. We're back in America's motorsport. The Hemi's back, and we ain't going anywhere.

Beautiful, isn't it? Welcome back, Hemi. This marketing campaign also tell us a different story. A story about our organization's ability to take quick, smart, impactful, corrective actions. As you may know, up to 40% of full-size truck buyers will not look at a truck brand unless this brand has a V8 offer. So this one was not a difficult decision. Actually, it was a very obvious one. By acting decisively and quickly, we are reactivating many buyers who have been screaming to have the Hemi back. What is remarkable here is the speed with which the team has been able to move. In less than 10 months from getting the green light, they will have the Hemi back in H2 2025. And the response to our announcement was very, very large and immediate, with more than 10,000 orders placed in the very first 24 hours. Now let's move to industrial execution. First, let's talk about where things are in North America. Here we are at a relatively early stage of commercial recovery, as most of the new models will come later in the year. But we have set the stage for our next actions. In particular, as I said earlier, the inventory and ordering dynamics have completely changed in a positive way from the prior year. We now have linear inventories and a healthier order book with a 90% -over-year improvement. REM is showing particularly encouraging early signs, with retail sales up 25% in H1, including the benefits of a successful quarter one refresh of the light duty and heavy duty models. But let's be clear, we still have tons of work to do. In particular, we are focused on bringing products back to segments where we have been absent, on improving industrial execution, starting with product quality, and reinvigorating fleet channels performance. Now let's move to a larger Europe. The other key region for our commercial recovery. Here we are beginning to benefit in terms of market share from a wave of recently launched products. H125 market share at 17% is up 1.3 percentage points from H2 2024. And I am also very pleased with our progress in ramping BEVs and hybrid vehicle sales. We took the second spot in European BEV volumes, and for the very first time, we are now number one in European hybrids. As we move forward, several things are priorities for Europe. First, we have to improve the customer experience through elevated product quality, as in North America. Second, we have to improve our industrial execution. For example, we need to be quicker in ramping the very well-received new products, such as the new Fiat Grande Panda. And then, exactly as in North America, we need to increase profitability. So let's talk about profitability. Here you may appreciate six sections, among many others, that we have taken or are taking, and I would like to highlight maybe a few of them. We recently announced the return of the SRT division for the North American brands to create the most distinctive high-performance products our fans are most passionate about, and this will be a credit to the AOI. We are also in the process of launching Model Year 26 products in North America with evolved, much-improved trim lineups, in each case expected to be margin-accretive. Finally, in Europe, we will benefit from the full ramp-up of our smart car progress. That means higher volumes and higher profits. So before opening to your questions, I will just recap the key points I would like you to take away from this presentation. First, H1 was incredibly tough and nowhere near where we want and we need to be. But the sequential improvement on H2 2024 is indeed encouraging. It includes the impact of tough decisions, decisions that will continue in the second half of this year. Second, we are maintaining the discipline on inventories. We have healthier order books, and the product launch cadence is in progress. In Europe, ramping production of new smart car platform models will be a big lever. And in the US, we will begin welcoming back iconic products and powertrains such as the Jeep Cherokee, the Dodge Charger IC, and the legendary AMI V8 engine. Third, we expect gradual and sequential improvement in the second half. We have established H2 guidance that frames this clearly, and we are intent on delivering against it. One final note, we are also in the process of updating our long-term strategic plan, which we will have the pleasure to present to you at the Capital Markets Day in early 2026. With that, thank you for your attention, and let's go to the Q&A.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your temporal keypad. Would you please limit yourselves to one question each, and if you have any additional questions, please place yourselves back in a queue to allow other people to answer questions. Our very first question today is coming from Jose Asumendi, calling from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thank you very much, Jose Asumendi from JP Morgan. Thank you, Antonio, for the comments and talk as well. Just one question, please. I would like to focus a bit more on the US market, and I think you've provided, I think, compelling arguments with regards to how to get the company back to growth in the second half of the year. Can you talk a little bit more about the delivers to improve the profitability, excluding growth levers? What are the actions you plan to take when it comes to maybe, you know, taking down capacity, any restructuring elements, actions you may take also in the US? Any actions excluding growth? Thank you.

Oh, very well, and thank you for your question, Jose. So you said priority number one for Stellantis growth of business will be growth in North America, which is a key market for us. And what are the key actions? Number one, obviously it's volumes as well, but we are launching new products that will be all accredited in AOI margins. For instance, the V8 engine on the version such as the RAM 1500 TRX will deliver to us additional volumes, as you said, but you want to exclude those, but also accredited margin per unit. Second, the recently signed by President Trump big, beautiful bill of 4th of July give us more flexibility in choosing better margin-optimized mix in between the IC version and the electrified version of the models that we sell. And this will mean to us a lot of additional profit and also volumes that are much closer to the end customer demand. Third, we are launching now in the US model year 26 products, and we are starting from a much healthier inventory situation. That means that we might and we will enjoy net price opportunities by doing that. Finally, we are engaging our technical teams in several programs and projects of total production cost reduction. Those are technical changes in our current life products, but also in the ones that are about to launch to maintain the value proposition, decrease technical cost. So those are the four actions that we are, among other, very strong in pursuing, and this is my answer. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Antonio.

Thank you, sir. We will now be moving to Patrick Hummel calling in from UBS. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. Antonio, my first question to you is about the lack of commentary on cash flow and balance sheet strength in your strategic priorities. I get it that the better AOI improves also the cash generation, but it looks like there's a high likelihood of further cash burn in the second half, and I think it's fair to say that at least out of the Detroit three players, Stellantis' balance sheet is the least solid by now. You had a pretty high cash burn on group level of more than, or about 9 billion in the first half. So I wonder in terms of the balance sheet priorities, what are you going to do about it? Can you still keep growing the Finko, which seems to be quite cash absorbing? How should we think about cash returns to shareholders short term and medium term in light of the, well, let's say somewhat, somewhat stretch balance sheet situation? Thank you.

Thank you very much, and I will take the first part of the answer, and then I will leave to Doug the rest. So as we said, the first business priority is to grow, and that means volume through the expansion of our lineup with the addition of new products that are much closer to customer demands and are also healthier in terms of margin per unit. By growing volumes, by growing profit, we will automatically grow the top line of cash generation, which is AOI. Then on the rest, please, Doug, if you want to add something.

Yeah, just to address a couple of different items that you had in there. One, of course, we were encouraged by the fact that the cash burn rate is reducing, right? So we reduced it in about half from what we saw second half last year to first half this year. We expect a significant decrease again in the second half of this year as we chart our path towards cash flow positive operations. I think that's a big focus for us in the near future. That being said, we will continue to invest in the business and invest in the product plan. The way to achieve the positive cash flow turnaround is really through a couple of different things. One, of course, increasing the AOI generation in the company and also stabilizing working capital. So if you look at the working capital trend as well, you see more stability in the working capital piece of our cash flows over time. And so I think we're making good progress on this front. In terms of your question about the FinCo, of course, we're very excited about the FinCo, particularly the growing piece that we have that's growing so rapidly in the United States and its ability to help us and our customers get into our vehicles, the potential to use it as a loyalty tool over time and, of course, help us connect more closely with our customers and also, of course, finance our dealers. When we talk about capital, though, we also have to recognize that we have inflows from that business, particularly in Europe, where we receive dividends. We do, of course, have outflows as we build the balance sheet on the U.S. FinCo. I think the net of those will be less than half a billion of outflow. So this year, while it will be an outflow, it's not a huge drag on the industrial free cash flow at this point. But I think that's a great business that we continue to see a lot of potential in. So hopefully that answers the different pieces of your question.

It does. Antonio, if you allow me a follow-up, in terms of your brand portfolio, would the CMD be the event when we get your latest thoughts and your strategy regarding your brand portfolio, which probably many people would expect to see some streamlining?

Very well. I thank you again for your second question. So we all realize and recognize with Instaland that our large portfolio, very iconic brands, is one strength that we have against our competitors. For instance, the new Chinese entrance. And we want to work it better. We want to be more effective and efficient in our brand portfolio management. That's why, for instance, you may have observed us recruiting a lot of talents to take care of our brands from the market. So you see, for instance, on Citroën, the new head of Citroën Xavier, on Peugeot, the new head of Peugeot, Alain Fave. Then you see Tim Kuniski, the head of all the North American brands. You see Jill Vidal recently recruited to take care of design for the European brands at the European Design Centre. Plus Davide Mele, who is in my top executive team, that will help us in better managing our product portfolio, but also our brand portfolio. Yes, we are working intensively on that. And all the answers will be provided in the capital market day of Q1 26. Thank you.

Thank you, Antonio. Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Richard. We'll now move to Michael Fodulkydis of Adobe VHF. Please go ahead, sir.

Yes. Hi, Michael from Adobe VHF. So one question on Europe. You mentioned in your presentation some price cuts on your side as well as a strong pricing pressure overall. Is it something that you think continues or deteriorates? And how would you position Stellantis in this environment, meaning that you see yourself as a follower or maybe more an active player given your previous price position, which was too high? Thank you.

Well, thank you for your question. So we all know that Europe is a large but complex market for all the automakers, right? But we understand with Stellantis that we are turning the corner. For instance, talking of market share now before pricing, you see that introduction of the new products that have been launched recently and are still in ramp up, they already are growing the market share significantly from H2 to 2024 to H1 2025. We are now at 17% market share. That is 1.6 percentage point better than H2 2025. So market share is coming, volume are coming. Second, as profit action, but also volume action, we are now in the phaser, in the ramp up of the all new smart car products. They have already a very large bank of orders and we are ramping up the two plants that are producing one in Slovakia, the Citroen, Citroen and the Opel Frontera, the other one in Serbia, the Fiat Grande Panda. So what we expect for Europe is an H2 better than H1 in terms of volumes, market share, but also profit generation. On the industry itself, we are observing some deterioration, especially in space that are very important to us, such as light commercial vehicle. And on that we understand that one key point is also regulation on CO2 emission. For that we are in constant and productive dialogue with the institution. And we believe that important decision will be taken also to unlock the full potential of light commercial vehicle industry for Europe. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, sir. Next question will be coming from Mr. Stuart Pearson, calling from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you for taking my question. So, I guess for Antonio to start with, I mean, Snilantis has obviously gone from being the benchmark for profitability in both Europe and North America not so long ago, to now pretty much loss making in both and Pearson are already reasonable returns. So, I mean, you've had a front row seat on all of this. I mean, what's your diagnosis of what's gone wrong and what kind of response should we expect from you? I know we've got to wait for the CMD, but I mean, when we look at what you're saying today, it looks like more of the same. That might be unfair, but more incremental actions. But I wonder, are you considering anything more radical that you think might be required to get the company back to benchmark levels? And maybe just link to that possibly for Doug, just on the restructuring charges and exceptional items. You know, we've had three billion on average now over the last five years, another three billion in H1 this year. I mean, what can you say about H2 as things stand today? Do we expect anything more there? And then when will those continued charges perhaps finally moderate? And then maybe to finish with a request, Doug, perhaps now the financial services is becoming such a bigger part of the business, we could get some separate disclosure between Industrial and the Finco. And I'm sure there'll be lots to look at and analyze there. Thank you.

Well, thank you for your question. I will take the first part and then I will end to Doug for the second part. So the first part, the diagnosis, both in Europe and North America. Well, diagnosis itself is large and complex, but for sure one important root cause of our market share deterioration, both in North America especially, but also in Europe, is the fact that in the past we decided to phase out many important, relevant and successful nameplates. For instance, in North America, US specifically, we phased out seven successful nameplates. Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Renegade, Chrysler 300, Ram DS Classic, Ram Promaster CD, Doug Charger, the muscle car of the past, Doug Challenger, same family. Those seven nameplates were granting to us 300,000 units per year, sold, and several billions of gross commercial results per year. So now we are restoring that lineup. Jeep Cherokee is coming, much improved than the previous one, with two years of absence but coming strong. The powertrain that we have discontinued in the past, they are coming back, starting with the legendary ME V8 engine that has been shared before. And this means volumes and this means margin per unit. And also in Europe, we are correcting some initial -in-BEV powertrain decisions into multi-energy offers to our customers, because we believe that both in North America and in Europe, to be multi-energy means to be closer to the real customer demand. Then on the rest of the question, I will leave Doug answering.

Okay. Thanks, Antonio. So just to address the other pieces of the question, when you talked about one-time charges, when we look at the 3.3 billion of one-time charges that we saw in the first half, as I've mentioned in my comments on the 21st, roughly 2 billion of that I think represents some tough decisions and changes in strategy that have been made by this new management team. Antonio certainly mentioned one significant one, which was our decision to stop our investment, continued investment in fuel cell programs in Europe. But there are other shifts in strategy that are all a part of that number, including some restructuring, as you mentioned in your question itself. In terms of, now there are other factors built in there, changes in our environment. For instance, there's some recognition of the changes of the One Big Beautiful bill passed in the United States that impacted cafe fines and the like. So there's some, certainly I think the majority of it represents us getting after those tough decisions and changes in strategy, but there are also some pieces related to changes in our environment. In terms of, we don't typically forecast kind of one-time items for the future, but looking forward, given that I think the new management team still has a fair amount of work to do in looking at our strategies and preparing for all the announcements that will come forward on the capital markets day, we could see other strategic shifts that could lead to one-time charges in the second half. And then, on Finco, there is a lot of disclosure on the financial services piece of the business as opposed to the industrial piece in the 6K. But I think you raise a good issue, which is something we're always looking at, is at what point will that piece of the business be so large that we need to maybe break it out as a separate segment, et cetera. But that's something that we look at kind of every quarter and think about. But I would say there is a lot of disclosure in the 6K, and offline, obviously, I'd be happy to have a session with you to walk through some of that.

Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. Next question will be coming from Mr. Steven Reitman of Bernstein. Please go ahead, your line is open,

sir.

Yes, good morning.

Could you talk about your relationship with the USD? Obviously, that was a significant issue leading up to the whole blow-up, the 24. Can you comment on any metrics you have in terms of how their confidence and trust in the brand has been changing since management changes? Thank you very much.

Oh, very well. Good morning. Thank you for your question. Well, since January, myself and my team committed in a much better dialogue with our dealer network, especially in the US, but not only. And good things are starting to come. For instance, the new versions of RAM that I mentioned in my presentation, the RAM 1500 Express, is basically an idea that came out of our team that deals with the brand, talking to the dealers. We have decided to discontinue more than one year ago, RAM DS Classic, that was attacking the entry level of the light duty segment in the US. And now this version that again came out from a constructive dialogue of the network with the brand team is now restoring our presence there. And we see good orders coming in. And when you ask what is a quantitative indicator of this restored confidence, I must say that the order inflow is one of those. So our order book, mainly driven by retail orders, that's our dealer network, grew more than 90% year over year. And this is a clear demonstration that confidence, which is an enduring process to build day by day through relationship and also through good business, through good, good mutual business, while it's coming back. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Next question will be from Mr. Philippe Ouschoa,

calling from Jeffries. Please go ahead. Thank you and good afternoon. My question is on the guidance you gave us on free cash flow in the second half. Improvement, yes, that's fine. It doesn't give us a sense whether the H2 might compensate for what happened in the first half. And what struck me is maybe a certain reluctance to guide on working capital. I would expect there's an improvement in volume coming in the second half. That usually does wonders to work in capital or cash inflow generation. So is that just reluctance on your part or lack of visibility or is there an obstacle, a reason why there wouldn't be a meaningful inflow? And I appreciate it may not be the same as earnings in terms of quality, but meaningful inflow of cash from working capital. And then kind of supporting that wondering, we know about the Express, we know about the Hemi coming back on the RAM. But when do we actually see those numbers meaningfully? Can I see a RAM V8 in the dealership in the US right now? I haven't been in a few months. Or is that coming later? Where are we in the restock or the supply chain? Are we in production? Are we delivering to customers or just to dealers? If you can give us a sense, that would be helpful.

Well, thank you for your question. I will take the first part and then I will give the technical answer to that. So let's start. First of all, industrial cash flow, but generally speaking on the progression of results that we are committing to in our guidance. We need to understand and to remind ourselves that we close at H1 nearly breakeven, right? We need to understand the impact of the impact in AOI, for instance, and with the free cash flow, the outflow that you saw. And in H2 we will have the highest portion of impact or tariffs in the United States, which I believe in H2 only will be around 1.2 billion. That means that through the additional volumes driven by the launches, through the accredited profit per unit, we need to understand that those launches, but also the cost action will deliver to us. We need to offset those impacts and we are committed to accelerate. So it's not reluctant. It's actually considering that AOI was in the numbers that you saw. And AOI, the way it has been expressed in the guidance, represents a very relevant acceleration, which we intend and commit to do, but also to go forward in the next years. On the RAM launches that you mentioned, so on V8, for instance, after Greenlight, the team was unbelievably quick and fast in delivering the full development and the manufacturing adjustments in less than 10 months. So we will have very soon start of production. Thus, you will see both the V8 versions, but also the express version by quarter form early in the years of this year. Yeah,

on your question on cash flow and working capital, you know, I agree with some of your comments. It's a tough period in which to forecast a business, I'm sure, as auto analysts, all of you on the call can relate. You know, as I mentioned, there are some significant external headwinds. You know, we saw in the first half about a billion euro impact to our AOI just from changes in FX, right? With, you know, the value of the euro changing against currencies like the Turkish lira, the Brazilian real, Argentinian peso, etc. So those things are very tough to forecast, as well as tariffs. The tariff impact, you know, has moved substantially and, you know, we're still getting more updates on tariff negotiations that, you know, could impact those numbers. And they're big, right? We talked about the full tariff impact for the year. Right now, our estimate is 1.5 billion. So it's difficult to be too definitive on a lot of these figures. In terms of working capital, you're right, of course, with increased volumes in the second half, we would expect that to be positive for working capital. But one thing to keep in mind, of course, is that what really has a big impact from production and working capital is because of the payment terms that we have in this business is really your production kind of in the last six to eight weeks of the period. And so when we look at that dynamic from mid-year, where we run in the last two months of the first half versus year end, because of the year end holidays around Christmas, etc., we oftentimes have some downtime. It's tough to see significant improvement from, you know, the end of where kind of how we run end of first half versus end of second half. But in general, you're correct. In general, with increased volumes, we should see working capital at least mitigate and balance out, if not potentially be a positive.

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question. Thank you, sir. Our next question will be coming from Thomas Besson calling from Cambridge. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I'd like to come back to your guidance, please. Is it fair to say that you're trying to be conservative for the second half, as you should be able to produce normally for the first time in a long time, without downtime for tariffs or without having to substantially cut your inventories? Or is that a lot related to the USMCA uncertainty or the willingness not to have to warn again? And to follow up on Philippe's question on free cash flow, is it fair to assume that H2 capex has little reason to rise sequentially?

OK. Thank you for your question. And as I mentioned a little bit before in my previous answer, yes, we need to consider that H1 was basically breakeven for our business. And we are committed to drive the business into a gradual sequential improvement that needs to be evident quarter by quarter in all our business KPI. That means AOI, industrial free cash flow generation, volumes, shipments, etc. So this is our commitment. And considering that, as Doug said, around 1.2, 1.3 billion of the overall 1.5 billion of initially estimated tariffs, if things don't change, will be paid in the second half. This is a commitment that I would not call conservative, but you are very committed to do that as we are committed to transition in acceleration into the next year. Keep going. Doug, if you want to take the technical part of the answer.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right, Antonio. When we think through the dynamics, first half versus the second half, you know, we think about where we can guide the business, where we see the business performing. You know, I think we can step up production. I think we can make progress on volumes. I think we can make progress on pricing, particularly in the United States. I think a lot of the pre-tariff vehicles that were on dealer lots are running out. I think we'll see industry dynamic that should be supportive of pricing. When we look at, you know, industrial, of course, our fixed costs will spread a bit better with the higher volumes. But there are significant headwinds as well, right, because we only paid, as Antonio outlined, 330 million euros of the expected 1.5 was impact in the first half. Part of that is just because of the timing of when the tariffs came in, right? But yeah, we're looking at a step up in that expense from 330 million to more like a billion plus in the second half. So that's a significant headwind for us. Now offsetting that, we also should be able to run a richer mix that probably more aligns much better with customer demand that we see in the United States with cafe fines going to zero. That's going to be a positive. But there is certainly, you know, a lot of headwinds still to be handled in the second half. You know, I think our guidance is reasonable and achievable, but certainly there are challenges in meeting it.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next question will be coming from Ite Mikaeli of TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. I was hoping we could dig in back to North America on fleet sales and maybe if you can quantify the impact in H1 and give us a bit more detail about some of the action plans you have to improve fleet sales. How would you think about timing and potential impact to both top line as well as bottom line? Thank you.

No, very well. And thank you for your question. I believe that we can quantify the overall impact on lower fleet sales that has been a decision driven by profit optimization logics in around half point of market share, overall market share in North America. And what we are doing is number one, we have recruited from the market a very strong leader to handle the team, to manage the team. He comes from the field. His name is Michael Ferreira and immediate took action and decisions on changing our strategy in fleet sales. For instance, as you know very well, fleet sales is divided into three. I would call them sub channel, the rental car, the commercial that means small and mid-size business and the governmental. We were too much focused on rental car also because the cost-train era of semiconductor was delivering high volumes and a very decent margin. Now with the new leadership and the new team, we are diversifying our offensive in fleet into the three channels. Also putting a lot of effort in governmental and putting a lot of effort in commercial that are both higher margin than the rental car. We sped up to already initial growth and a partial recovery of what we lost. And obviously we expect to accelerate as we transition in the next year. Thank you for your question.

Thank you. Thanks, sir. We'll now be moving to Mike Tindall of HSBC. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. It's Mike Tindall from HSBC. I wonder if we could just talk a bit about tariffs and about Mexico. And what are you hearing? Obviously we've seen trade deals around the rest of the world, but we haven't heard much on that front. And then within that question, what does it mean for the economics of the new Cherokee? Because if I'm not wrong, that's going to be built in Mexico. So does that product work under the new tariff structure? And if not, is there what can you do to kind of compensate for that?

Thanks.

Very well.

Very well. Thank you for your question. So tariffs. It's a little bit a long answer, but I will try to be short. So number one, since day one, we understand and we support the general strategy of President Trump's administration to boost job creation and U.S. production, both in the automotive OEM, but also in the automotive suppliers, using also tariffs as a tool. And we want to support this strategy. Second, we are in a very constructive dialogue with American institution and policymakers, as well as with the Mexican and Canadian institutions and policymakers. Now we are observing a phase when tariffs have been negotiated, U.S. with individual countries or group of countries, right? And what we understand is that we need to request, we would like to request to properly recognize the high American U.S. content in some vehicles, just to make numbers. U.S. industry is around 16 million units of cars sold per year. 8 million of those 16 million units are built in U.S. plants. So obviously they carry a very high U.S. content. 4 million are built in Mexican and Canadian plants, but they use a lot of components coming from U.S. suppliers. So also those units carry a lot of U.S. content. Finally, 4 million, they come from Europe, they come from Asia, and they have virtually zero U.S. content. So what I believe should be done is to recognize also using the tariffs set up that the American bills, but also the U.S. and Mexican and Canadian bills, they carry a lot of U.S. content. And by the way, we salute the flexibility that has been recently introduced by the U.S. governments and institutions into the tariffs of Mexico and Canada. The expanded U.S. content, for instance, or other tax offset credits. On the Cherokee, you are right. The Cherokee has been developed and will be built in Mexico, to start, and we are working a lot in transformation cost and also on total production cost with technical studies and projects to decrease the cost of the platform, the components, and overall top-end and vehicle in order to boost profitability. It will come with large volumes because we understand that it is a key move of returning into the largest U.S. segment in the industry. 3.6 million units sold in the mid-size SUV segment, which is the equivalent of the entire Germany industry, just to make an example. And we need to work on costs that we are doing that to increase profit so we can totally offset the tariffs effect. That is my answer. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, that was our last question for today's conference. I would like to have a call over to Mr. Antonio Filosa to conclude this call. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you very much, George, for your help today. Thank you very much. And thank everybody for your time and focus on the Stellantis story. I look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming months and the capital market day that we will have in Q1 2026. Thank you. See you later. Bye-bye.

Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen, that will conclude today's conference. Thanks for watching. Have a good day and goodbye.