Southwestern Energy Company

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Southwestern Energy's third quarter 2023 earnings call. Management will open the call for a question and answer session following prepared remarks. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to two questions and re-queue for any additional questions. This call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Brittany Rayford, Southwestern Energy's Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to Southwestern Energy's third quarter of 2023 earnings call. Joining me today are Bill Way, Chief Executive Officer, Clay Carroll, Chief Operating Officer, Carl Giesler, Chief Financial Officer, and Dennis Price, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Transportation. Before we get started, I'd like to point out that many of the comments we made during this call are forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties affecting outcomes. Many of these are beyond our control and are discussed in more detail in the risk factors and the forward-looking statement sections of our annual report and quarterly reports as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Although we believe the expectations expressed are based on reasonable assumptions, they are not guarantees of future performance. Actual results or developments may differ materially, and we are under no obligation to update them. We may also refer to some non-GAAP financial measures, which help facilitate comparisons across periods and with peers. For any non-GAAP measures we use, a reconciliation to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in our earnings release on our website. I will now turn the call over to Bill Way.

Thank you, Brittany, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss our third quarter operating and financial results. Before I begin, I'd like to express my thanks to our dedicated team of consistently delivering on our priorities and driving improvements to our business and value for shareholders quarter after quarter. During the third quarter, we continued our disciplined optimization of free cash flow generation and capital investment. This approach underscores our strategic priorities of both reducing debt and maintaining the company's productive capacity. We believe we have materially improved our capital efficiency and positioned the company for enhanced through-the-cycle price realizations with a more moderate go-forward hedging practice. Our progress on these priorities this year has further strengthened the business and positions us for differentiated value capture as we shift towards an improving macro environment driven primarily by growing LNG demand. We've been encouraged by the industry-wide discipline and activity reductions in response to this year's natural gas prices. Rig counts remain well off their highs from the beginning of the year, particularly in the Haynesville, where rig counts are down approximately 40% year-to-date. Given the production profile of wells in the Hainesville, we expect overall Hainesville basin production to decline at least into early next year, giving us further confidence in the strengthening macro view. Beyond reduced activity and the slowdown in supply growth, it suggests LNG exports are up over 2 BCF per day year over year, recently exceeding 14 BCF per day while weather-adjusted power demand is up 2 BCF a day and exports to Mexico are up almost 1 BCF a day. These factors have helped to significantly dampen the end-of-season storage surplus, with new LNG in-service dates beginning next year. By the end of 2024, we expect LNG exports to grow to 16 BCF per day, over 90% of which is located along the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast. When we acquired our Haynesville assets, one of our guiding tenants was firm access to markets of choice. Both of our Haynesville acquisitions included strategic connectivity to advantaged markets along the Gulf Coast, including to LNG, which we increased shortly after closing. With a portion of that expanded capacity already in service and additional capacity expected to go into service by next year, we are well positioned to supply the next wave of LNG facilities as the largest current supplier of natural gas to LNG exporters. As we look ahead to 2024, we expect new LNG facilities to increase demand throughout the year. However, we believe strip prices are not yet high enough to incentivize production growth. Given this dynamic, we intend to continue optimizing free cash flow and capital investment to meet our dual priorities of progressing towards the $3.5 billion top end of our target debt range while maintaining the flexibility and optionality in the business. Our unique asset base provides capital allocation flexibility between basins, commodity windows, as well as assured firm market access. We will continue to optimize investment with the optionality to add back in the back half of 24 should market fundamentals support. We believe this approach to managing the business in a volatile commodity environment is prudent and will best position Swin to sustainably return capital to shareholders. Our hedging strategy helps ensure debt reduction while also providing upside commodity risk exposure as we move through 2024 and 2025. We continue to target a range of 40 to 60 percent of natural gas price protection when entering a new year. Basis protection is also key to commodity risk management. With the physical sales agreements and financial basis hedges, we expect to continue our practice of proactively protecting basis. During the third quarter, our basis hedging program helped offset wider Appalachian basis differentials, and we expect to continue layering on additional protection for future periods as we look to next year. While commodity prices in 23 are well off the highs we experienced last year, we have successfully progressed our key enterprise priorities. Strategic adjustments to our development plan are resulting in free cash flow while maintaining our productive capacity. With this free cash flow, along with the proceeds from non-core asset sales, we have already reduced debt by approximately $300 million in a year when natural gas prices are expected to average less than $3. Additionally, our team is driving further operational and capital efficiency improvements, especially in Haynesville, which is helping to continue lowering our enterprise cost structure. We're also proud to have progressed our leading sustainability programs and initiatives, including reducing our emissions, as outlined in our recently released 10th Annual Corporate Responsibility Report. As we look forward to 2024, we are well positioned to build on the successes of 23 and continue to drive sustainable shareholder value. I'll now turn the call over to Clay for some operational updates.

Thank you, Bill, and good morning. The team delivered another strong quarter while progressing our key operational initiatives. Production totaled 425 BCFE during the third quarter, consisting of 4 BCF per day of natural gas and 104,000 barrels per day of liquids, including over 14,000 barrels per day of oil production. During the quarter, we invested $454 million of capital and placed 23 wells to sales. In Appalachia, we placed 15 wells to sales with an average lateral length of more than 16,200 feet. This included a company record long lateral in Brooke County, West Virginia, with a completed lateral length of over 24,000 feet. That well is our 25th producing well in Appalachia with lateral lengths greater than 20,000 feet. Of the total wells to sales in Appalachia this quarter, Eleven were in our liquids-rich acreage in West Virginia, and four wells were across our dry gas areas in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Most of our liquids-rich wells went to sales during September, which we expect to result in fourth-quarter oil production returning to approximately 15,000 barrels per day. In Haynesville, we placed eight wells to sales with an average lateral length of approximately 9,100 feet. Six of the wells were in the middle Bossier interval and two were in the Haynesville. We continued to progress our drilling execution and efficiency gains and recently drilled and cased two of our longest laterals to date at approximately 15,000 feet. Capital investment for the quarter came in below expectations driven by some minor changes in our development program that shifted activity into the fourth quarter combined with efficiency gains and some moderating inflation impacts. Our program remains on track with activity levels and expected investment within our previously updated full-year guidance ranges. Looking ahead to 2024, we remain optimistic about service cost deflation. We're currently in the process of securing goods and services and have approximately half of our services already contracted. putting us well on our way to securing our 2024 development plan. Overall, we're seeing a softer oil field service market, driven by the nearly 20 percent reduction in the industry-wide rig count. With the recent strengthening in the oil market, we see industry expectations of deflationary savings in 2024 moderating a bit, but overall, we believe costs should be down next year. We expect to lower Haynesville well costs approximately 15% to $1,800 per foot next year and see the potential for Appalachia well costs to decline as much as 5% as we continue to capture efficiencies and reduce costs. Given our expectation for increasing LNG demand, particularly in the back half of 2024 and into 2025, We anticipate a similar level of capital investment next year with a range of $2 to $2.3 billion and increased activity offsetting deflation and efficiency gains. Our capital program is typically front-end loaded with higher capital investment in the first half of the year resulting in higher production in the second half. Next year, we'll likely follow that same profile with production expected to step down in Q1 before stepping back up to current levels in the second half. This production cadence also aligns with our view that the macro will strengthen during the year as additional LNG goes into service. We continue to exhibit strong flexibility to moderate activity and manage through volatile commodity prices, and we believe the company is well positioned for 2024 and beyond. Now I'll turn the call over to Carl.

Thank you, Clay. Consistent with our front-end weighted development program, capital investments stepped down during the third quarter, which helped to generate modestly positive free cash flow. As expected, free cash flow was more than offset by typical seasonal working capital reversals, resulting in a small increase to our revolver borrowings and debt balance this quarter. we ended the quarter with $4.1 billion of debt, a level which we expect to hold through year-end down from the $4.4 billion level at year-end 2022. Based on current strip prices, we still expect to achieve the top-to-end of our target debt range in either late 2024 or early 2025, after which we plan to complement continued debt reduction with sustainable return of capital to shareholders. While our leverage has ticked up modestly to 1.6 times due to the price impact on trailing EBITDA, we fully expect to return to our target 1.5 times to 1.0 times leverage range next year. As Phil mentioned, our debt reduction objectives are supported by our hedging program. In implementing our hedging, our approach has been to set protection at or above our key economic thresholds, including enterprise free cash flow break-even levels, while also allowing for asymmetric upside participation. This practice also preserves for our shareholders the benefit of the higher relative operating torque of our dual-based and asset-based to natural gas prices. Capitalizing on the volatility we've seen, we layered in some additional protection for 2024 and 2025 using predominantly three-way collars. Based on strip pricing, we plan to end the year near the middle of our target hedging range of 40 to 60% for 2024 and with a base 20% layer for 2025. Operator, please open the call for questions.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. To remove yourself from queue, please press star then 2. And as a reminder, in the interest of time, please limit yourself to two questions. Today's first question comes from Charles Mead with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Bill, Clay, and Carl, and to the rest of the Southwestern team there.

Morning.

Morning. Bill, I wanted to follow up on your prepared comments about 24 and also especially in light of what Clay offered on the cadence for 24. So, Bill, I think I heard you say that there's a possibility to add activity in the back half of 24 if prices warrant. And Clay said we're going to have the usual – front-end loaded capital program in 24. So if I put those two pieces together, does that mean that the base case is the front-end loaded capital program leading to roughly flat volumes year over year and that there's a possibility to add perhaps a rig or maybe even two rigs in the back half a year that would then bias you towards the high-end of that capital guidance range. Is that the right way to think about it?

Yeah, and Clay, lay your comments in on this. Yeah, we are front-loaded. That's traditionally how we invest capital. We expect that as we move through the year and manage our free cash flow generation along with our capital investment kind of in a dual priorities that we would be able to both, again, reduce debt, but also look at production levels overall for the year to be estimated right around the end, like the end of 22.

Yeah. So, Charles, you're right. That shape will be kind of growing through the year in 2024. tied to the, we believe, very constructive commodity price going into 2025. Maybe that happens earlier in 2024, and we have the optionality within the program to take advantage of that as we balance all the priorities of the company, but we're well positioned if commodity prices play out that way.

Got it. Economics drive these decisions, so there's a lot of discipline involved in making sure that value is being created.

And a lot of cars left to see also. And then, Clay, your comment about the 24,000-foot lateral in Appalachia, I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about that. Obviously, it's an achievement to just successfully get off a lateral that long, but I wondered if you could talk about what you're seeing as far as productivity from that well and if it encourages you to do more of these or even try to extend further or alternatively, that maybe max out around 20. Just give us the bigger context there.

Sure. We've been pretty methodical over the years, maybe earlier than others in Appalachia, where we've been extending our laterals. Our average program is around 16,000 feet this year, where we recognize the benefits of the longer laterals on lowering well costs and enhancing economics. And I think our team does a really good job of it. And this well, based on the land position, enabled us to go longer. We have many checks and balances when we drill these long laterals to make sure that everything is operating within the parameters we expect. And this is another example of that. It's one of our super rich wells in Brooke County. The production from the The well on a three-phase initial production was a little over 27 million cubic feet equivalent a day. Included in that was close to 1,700 barrels a day of condensate. And so a typical, really highly economic well in our liquids-rich Appalachia that we're able to get even greater economic benefits from by going longer. The well was drilled in 19 and a half days, spud to rig release, for over a 30,000 foot measured depth. And it is obviously benefited by our vertical integration assets. We're using our company rigs. The well was fracked with our company frack fleets. And so all of that is part of the recipe where I included the comment about we've now got 25 wells that are greater than 20,000 foot lateral length that that program's been working for us for a while.

And given their SWIN employees, the knowledge transfer well-to-well and the application of knowledge and learnings is quite high.

That is great detail. Thanks, Clay and Bill.

And our next question today comes from Bertrand Donnis with Truist. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, guys. I'm doing a little bit of acreage pinpointing here, but it looks like you guys have some eastern Guernsey acreage, and one of your peers is now touting a high liquids cut location count there. So I just wanted to address, do you guys have an inventory count there? Are you seeing similar things on your acreage? And I know it's not a large part of your portfolio, but maybe how many locations we might expect next year or a run rate.

Yeah, so we're very knowledgeable about the area. In our minds, it's a continuation of the geology through the product windows of the liquids-rich acreage that we have in southwest Appalachia. And some of it is indicative of the type of well performance we've been delivering in our liquids-rich assets. Not a surprise to us. We are drilling a pad there currently. We don't have a large acreage position there, but we have the largest acreage position in the highest yielding liquid-rich acreage in West Virginia with our position there. And so we like it. It continues to have very resilient economics as you move through the price cycles.

That's great. And then just the second one, you know, some of your peers have started getting very creative on the LNG portfolio side. And you guys have almost, you know, it seems pointedly chosen to take a step back and let, you know, the rest of the guys create a market. So is there any changing? Does pricing change that? Or is there an evolution of the negotiations out there that are maybe making it more attractive for you guys?

Sure. I'll take that. As you know, we're strategically positioned to supply the growing demand for lower carbon energy with our access to the Gulf Coast and our access to the LNG corridor. As you said, we're actively engaged in talks with a variety of buyers under a wide range of different commercial structures. You know, we certainly see the value in portfolio diversification. and gaining direct access to more volatile international price indices. But we're taking a maybe more disciplined approach to evaluating and managing the risk associated with these transactions. So in that respect, we have a pretty high threshold for transactions of this size, complexity, and duration. As currently structured, I think many of the commercial arrangements involving domestic gas supply priced off of international benchmarks push most, if not all, of the risk on to the upstream gas supplier. And our intention is to enter into internationally priced transactions when those risks become more balanced. And when we have the tools available to us that are necessary to effectively manage our exposure. You know, as you know, we're currently the largest supplier of natural gas to LNG exporters, and we intend to retain and potentially grow our portfolio of Henry Hub-based agreements in addition to considering incremental internationally-priced arrangements. And the one distinction I think we might make at this point Our approach against our peers is we're taking a slightly different approach targeting binding transactions on post-FID facilities as opposed to non-binding HOAs with facilities that may or may not have reached FID yet. And so, as I suggested, that does raise the bar on the complexity of the negotiation. You know, I think our disciplined approach explains why we're moving at the pace we're moving. And when we do enter into a deal, you'll know that we will have the tools to evaluate the risk and manage it.

That's great nuance. Thanks.

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Doug Leggett with Bank of America.

Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Bill. I hope I've got a couple of questions. One of them I'll ask in as delicate a manner as possible. But, Clay, maybe I can go to you first. The reduction in capital in Hainesville, 15% drop in well costs, $1,800 per foot, big step down. Obviously, you've signaled to us that that could be on the cards. But I'm curious if this is a deflationary move, is it a well-designed change? What's the moving parts and how much further do you think you can get it done?

So it's a combination of efficiency gains that we've achieved and we expect to continue to achieve on the drilling and completion side of the business. It is reduced inflation. And it is longer laterals. And so kind of the same recipe we've always used and that we used in Appalachia is what we're using here. And we think that we're going to continue to drive those efficiency gains. I think overall we have room to move the lateral links in the play. It's not going to be equal to the averages in Appalachia, but room to keep benefiting from that. to where over time I think we can keep bringing those well costs down. The only wild card in there will be if commodity prices were to jump and if we got back into the ultra-high inflation arena, then that would put some pressure against those efficiency gains. But I think we're going to continue to keep gaining on execution and the longer laterals.

I appreciate the answer, Clay. We'll watch with interest. Bill, I don't think I'm betraying any confidences by suggesting that you've made no secret of your desire for Southwestern to get bigger over time. And I watched you steer your share price to outside of the blip last year, the highest level in six years. And obviously M&A is topical. So I'm just curious if you could frame in whatever method you think is appropriate, how you see Southwestern's role in M&A, especially in light of, for example, the Tellurian news this morning?

Thanks, Doug, for that question. I think, as I've said before, well-timed, well-executed, well-integrated M&A that adds sustainable value to shareholders should be evaluated against a framework for creating shareholder value long-term. What we've also demonstrated is the fact that our three well-timed, well-executed well-integrated acquisitions in Hainesville and Appalachia met those objectives. Certainly, that raises the bar for quality. It's not just about getting bigger, as your question, it's about adding real, tangible, sustainable value and capturing the benefits of the scale you create by doing that in a very disciplined way. Given our assets, our capabilities, our people, we've got great confidence in the company's value proposition. We've demonstrated that we know how to execute on M&A activity and do so in a strategic and real value creation manner. So any particular deal that's out there or conversation out there, as you also know me, we don't comment on those, but that's our thinking.

Fair to say you see the logic in consolidation.

Under the circumstances that I spoke of, yes.

Great stuff. Thanks, Bill. I appreciate you navigating that one. Thank you.

And our next question today comes from Arun Jayaram with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Hello? Arun, is your line muted perhaps? Yes. Okay, it appears we do not have them on the line.

We'll move to the next question, which is from Scott Hanelt with RBC. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. You know, Clay, you had mentioned, you know, getting those, you know, longer laterals in the Hainesville. And can you give us some context on a couple things? One, you know, just your acreage configuration, you know, what does it allow for in terms of those longer laterals? And number two, When you look at the Hainesville, you know, is there anything that we should consider giving it, you know, the depth and pressures where there is a limit to the benefits of lateral lengths in terms of getting recoveries out of the toe of a longer ball, say, versus something like the Marcellus?

Definitely. So I'll start with your second question. I mean, in the NFZ area, there are going to be limits on lateral link due to the high temperature. Remember, that's the highest producing area in the Haynesville, best returns. And so that's an area where I think we will live in the 7,500 to 9,500 foot range. And that one probably can't go with current technology much longer than that. When we look at the different areas of our Hainesville acreage position, which benefits from both of the acquisitions that we did where Geo Southern was a nice puzzle piece fit into the Indigo acquisition, which allowed for configurations where we could do some longer laterals. And then our team has done a great job of doing trades that also fill in acreage so that we can go to these longer laterals. As I mentioned In the script, we drilled two to right around 15,000 feet. Those were in the northwest part of our acreage position, northwest DeSoto Parish. Those areas are conducive to drill 15,000-foot laterals. And so I think across the field, that's the range, is anywhere from 7,500 to 15,000 foot. And as we continue to progress... on our execution in the Haynesville, I think you're going to continue to see those lateral links grow. But it'll be a methodical approach, just like we did in Appalachia. Well thought out and making sure that we understand all the parameters when we're going longer.

Understood. And my follow-up question is, you know, kind of going back to some of the, you know, where you started building the macro, you talked about the Hainesville declining into early 24, but see a pickup in LNG exports by the end of 2024, but then call that in talking about the strip, not high enough incentivize, you know, any kind of growth. You know, when, when you step back and kind of think about big picture macro, do you, do you, are you generally constructive in the macro backdrop? You think just the, the, the forward prices not reflecting that potential or, at this point in time. So if you can give us a kind of a little bit of color around some of the depth of that conversation.

I'll take that one, Scott. And thank you for asking on a day when the market's up. It's oddly validating. You know, we remain cautiously optimistic on the first half of 24 pricing, constructive on the second half of 24, and far more convinced on the upside potential for Cal 25 and beyond. Our optimism for the first half of 24 stems from slowing production growth, as you alluded to, plus the strong power burns we've seen, the robust LNG demand that we've seen recently, and the rising exports to Mexico. That's tempered somewhat, of course, by the winter weather forecast and the possibility that we could exit March with as much as 1.8 TCF in storage. As we look at The second half of 2024 are constructive views informed by LNG demand that's likely to materialize much sooner than originally expected with both Plaquemines and Golden Pass currently ahead of schedule and now reports that Corpus Christi expansion project could start pulling gas in late 2024. By the time we get to 2025, we see over 4 BCF a day of incremental LNG demand and the clear need for higher prices to incentivize increased activity with even more LNG on the horizon. You know, as you've seen, we've had this rally now in the deferred part of the curve with the prompt month up 4 cents week on week, but Cal 24 up 15 cents, Cal 25 up 16 cents. and Cal 26 through 28 up 17 cents. And that's been driven by strong power buying and the anticipation of the early startup of the LNG facilities that I mentioned. When you add that all up, you know, we find ourselves on the precipice of a paradigm shift in the U.S. market as it globalizes. And we think there's greater connectivity will introduce increased risk premium and volatility. especially for those who can deliver gas reliably to the Gulf Coast where the demand will be.

Okay, thank you.

And our next question today comes from Umang Chowdhury with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. My first question was a follow-up to Charles' question. I guess you talked about a first half weighted activity next year with the potential to add few rigs if prices and outlook looks a little bit better. I was wondering if you can pair the efficiency gains which you have seen this year to rig plans next year to hold production flat year over year.

Yeah, my thought on that would be that with the reduction in activity that we did this year in the back half of the year, the go-forward 2024 plan, and we haven't finalized that all right now. We're continuing to watch where commodity prices are at and continue to balance the priorities that Bill mentioned. I think that the timing to get all the way back to flat would mean a pretty heavy start and pretty much flat activity throughout the year to get back to that place. And we're going to need to see where commodity prices move through the winter to understand that. But I think it all lives with a capital plan that's within the range that we've been talking about between $2 and $2.3 billion for the year.

That's helpful. Thank you. And then as a follow-up, you talked about your optimism around 2025, and you have also laid out plans to hedge 40 to 60 percent of your production. I was wondering if you can provide any color in terms of how you would approach hedging for 2025.

Yeah, absolutely. I think Carl touched on it earlier, and the idea of Increasing our downside protection at levels at or above our key economic thresholds is an important tenet in our hedging strategy. And with the move we've seen in the strip, those prices are now available to us and lead us to shift our focus away from fixed price swaps to option structures that give us that downside protection but then allow us that asymmetrical exposure to the upside. So we will use that view to inform how we enact our next tranche of Cal 2025 and beyond hedging.

I mean, I'd also add that another key tenet of our commodity risk management has really been to improve our balance sheet and lower debt. And our lower debt levels have afforded us the opportunity to have this more moderate approach to hedging, and both trends should continue.

Thank you. Thank you. And our next question today comes from John Ennis with Stiefel.

Please go ahead.

Good morning, all, and thanks for taking my questions. For my first one, looking at state data, your Hainesville wealth continued to meaningfully outperform the basin average. Can you share your views on what is driving this outperformance and how sustainable you think that is on a go-forward basis?

Sure. I think the driver of it is the Natchitoches fault zone in the southeast part of our acreage. It's the highest pressure area in the field, and the well performance has shown the quality that's there, both from an initial production rate and from a forecasted EUR standpoint. And so the other piece, though, that I think is a contributor to that sustained performance has been that that's a newer part of the core of the Haynesville. And so it doesn't have right now the parent-child relationship issues, the well density issues that the traditional core of the Haynesville has. So a relatively new area, highest bottom hole pressure, and it's delivering that kind of well performance. And so as you've noticed, Our percentage mix of wells in that area has grown from about 25% in 2022 to closer to 50% in 2023.

Makes sense.

For my follow-up, maybe looking down the road towards 2025, once the debt targets are reached, would you consider other mechanisms to return capital above the repurchase program already in place?

Of course we would. I think, as we've said all along, we probably can continue or reinitiate, if you will, the share buyback given what we believe our value is relative to our intrinsic value, or at least our share price is to that. But absolutely, if we can sustainably generate free cash flow and we believe we will be able to, particularly with lower debt, the way you kind of prove that, if you will, is to put in some sort of base dividends.

That would be something that we certainly would consider.

I appreciate it. Thanks again for taking my questions.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Paul Diamond at Citi. Please go ahead.

Good morning, all. Thanks for taking my call. Just a quick one stepping back to the well cost reductions expected next year. I know that 15% in Hainesville and five in Appalachia. I just wanted to get your idea of how we should think about that trend, whether it's, you know, linear through the year or more chunky or kind of how you're thinking about how you get from A to B. Sure.

So I think with the Hainesville, given the cycle times there that, that we should be seeing that starting in the first quarter, as we think about the wells that have already been drilled and, and, that will come on turning line in the first quarter. That's how we've been able to forecast that. And so, as we move through the year, depending upon where commodity prices are at, we're going to be continuing to drive efficiency gains there. WellMix can move that around, and we'll see what happens with if there's any inflation that comes into the mix. with higher prices or pricing stays where we think it is, and we can keep moving those costs down. In Appalachia, there is a little bit of differences in well mix in our overall Appalachia now. It's not just all Marcellus wells in our number because we have dry gas Utica wells in Ohio that are part of that averaging. But I think that one also should show up at the start of the year, and the only reason it would move around would be some well-mixed changes between the quarters.

Understood. Thanks for the clarity. And just one quick follow-up, actually speaking about that kind of choosing different areas for wells in Appalachia. How are you guys thinking about going into 24, just more generally, about that mix between liquids versus gas through the year?

Yeah, our thought there is that it won't be materially different than how we played out 2023, where we got the benefit of liquids pricing as gas was lower. We added some completions there when we came into the year. On the margin, that all moved around pretty quickly. evenly to where it was a change. I think it was nine more wells to cells that we were thinking about in 23 than what we had in 22. But that could be the size of what a move there would be. We're spending roughly two-thirds of our capital in Appalachia is going towards liquids-rich wells. and the other third toward dry gas. And I don't think that split would change much.

And we apply STRIP against the development plan proposals that come in, and economics drive the answer at the high level.

Understood. Thanks for creating the time. Thank you.

And our next question comes from Arun Jayaram with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Can you hear me now? Yeah, sure. Good morning. The second time's the charm. Sorry about that earlier. I wanted to see if I could maybe hair split a little bit with Clay on his outlook comments on 2024. Clay, if I heard you correctly, you mentioned how consistent with historical patterns, production would be declining a bit as you moved into the first half of the year. but the second half should be at similar levels to today. And I just wanted to, my hair splitting here is that the third quarter you delivered 425 BCFE of production and the fourth quarter guide is 410. So I just wanted to see if you're, were you thinking about the second half being closer to the 410 or the 425? Yeah.

So closer to the 425 is what we're guiding to their, And kind of the way I answered that other question, you're seeing in that drop-off from three Qs, 425, to four Qs, 410, the activity reductions that we applied to the year to navigate through the price cycle. And then when you think about the cycle time on those Haynesville wells, which is a five- to six-month spud to turn in line, that's where, as we ramp production back up or activity back up, That'll start showing up in the second half of next year.

Okay, that's super helpful. And as you think about kind of lateral footage, I mean, you're expecting flat kind of capex. Any sense of how much more footage you could do, you know, next year given the pretty meaningful reductions in Haynesville costs?

Yeah, we haven't finalized the well mix and the order and all that yet, but I think in both areas it can be in the order of 500 to 1,000 feet of longer average lateral length.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks a lot, Clay. Sure. Thank you.

And our final question today comes from Noel Parks with Tuohy Brothers. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning. Morning. Morning. You know, I apologize if you touched on this before, but I'm just wondering, as you accumulated more data out in the Saudi East, in the eastern part of your acreage, from those first wells out there, I was wondering any sort of refinement to your understanding, any surprises, anything that you've just been able to learn from that? little bit longer performance data?

Well, if I fully understand your question, I mean, the learnings has been keeping mud properties in as good a shape as we can and trying to keep bottom hole temperature at the tools as low as we can so that we could extend run times and get to some longer laterals in the play. That's been what we've been working on operationally, and we've been continuing to have success in that space. As it relates to the well performance, we felt like it was going to be on the high end. It was part of our original acquisition evaluation, and it's performed in line with what we thought it would do. There's varying flat periods across the acreage where some stay flat for a longer period of time, four or five months. Some stay flat two to three months before they start to decline. And so maybe that's some learning there. But overall, that's kind of the main things that we've absorbed that we're utilizing as we go forward to keep making improvements there.

Great, thanks. That is interesting about just some of them having a longer flat period than others. Is that entirely geologically driven or is there anything as far as just, you know, the rate you perform that or, you know, chokes you use that alters that as far as you know so far?

Yeah, I think the biggest driver is the combination of the bottom hole pressure and the effectiveness of the completion and the continuity of the prop track that we put on the well and maintaining that continuity.

Great. Makes sense. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to the management team for any closing remarks.

Thank you all for joining the conversation on SWIN's performance today. We really appreciate it, and we look forward to you joining again as we continue to deliver shareholder value on a sustainable way. You all have a great weekend, and we'll talk soon. Thanks.

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