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spk00: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Southwest Gas Holdings 2021 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and if you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star 0. I would now like to turn the conference over to Greg Peterson, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you, Alexander, and thank you, everyone, for joining us, and welcome to Southwest Gas Holdings' third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. As Alexander stated, my name is Greg Peterson, and I'm the Senior Vice President and CFO of the company. Ken Kenney, our Vice President of Finance and Treasurer, is ill today and unable to join us. Our conference call is being broadcast live over the Internet. For those of you who would like to access the webcast, please visit our website at www.swgasholdings.com and click on the conference call link. We have slides on the Internet which can be accessed to accompany our discussion. Today we have Mr. John P. Hester, President and Chief Executive Officer, Ms. Karen S. Haller, Executive Vice President, Chief Legal and Administration Officer, Mr. Justin L. Gas Corporation and other members of senior management to provide a brief overview of the company's operations and results ended September 30th, 2021, and an update to our earnings per share guidance for 2021. Also, the company will address certain factors that may impact this coming year's earnings and provide longer-term guidance for 2022. Further, our attorneys have asked me to remind you that some of the information that will be discussed today contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's assumptions, which may or may not come true, and you should refer to the language on slide three of this presentation, as well as in the press release and also our SEC filings for a description of the factors that may cause actual results to differ from our forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements are made as of today, and we assume no obligation to update any such statement. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to John.
spk03: Thanks, Greg. Turning to slide number four, we have an outline for today's call. I will start reviewing some highlights and recapping the investment thesis for our shareholders at Southwest Gas Holdings. Greg will follow with a review of our financial results for the quarter, including breakdown detail for each business segment. Justin will review our numerous regulatory initiatives and activities. Karen will cover recent customer growth, liquidity and capital expenditures, dividend rate-based growth, and expectations for 2021 and beyond. And I will wrap up our presentation recapping the value proposition we believe Southwest Gas Holdings offers its shareholders. Moving to slide number five, we present a variety of highlights for our combined businesses. First, from a holdings perspective, last month we announced the planned acquisition of Questar Pipelines. We're very excited about this planned acquisition, which is forecasted to be accretive to earnings in 2022. Questar Pipelines is a compelling, high-return suite of assets with unique strength and stability that is both commercially and geographically adjacent to our existing portfolio. The acquisition will significantly increase and diversify our regulated business mix and allow us new opportunities in the energy transition with a business that has a robust stream of steady contracted earnings and cash flows. We're also very excited to have separately announced today the addition of two new board members effective January 1. We're happy to welcome E. Renee Conley and Carlos Ruiz Sanchez to our board the beginning of next year as we anticipate the retirements of two valued board members, Michael Malarkey and Stephen Comer, at our May annual meeting. The addition of these two new expertly qualified directors is the culmination of a methodical, thoughtful, planned board refreshment effort that began last year and, as is now seen, was anticipated to bolster our board for the new year in advance of expected director retirements at the May annual meeting. Also, separately, today we filed a 14D9 response to a tender offer for Southwest Gas Holdings shares presented last month by Carl Icahn. The tender offer seeks to secure shares of Southwest Gas Holdings at a price of $75 a share, which, in consultation with our outside investment bankers and attorneys, our board has concluded is inadequate. We won't be going into the numerous factors the board considered in deciding to reject the tender offer on this call, but all of that content can be found in the response to the tender offer that we filed today We're also focused on the promising role our company can play in the energy transition, as our businesses are poised to support the delivery of reliable and affordable energy services, both now and for decades to come. Next, at our natural gas distribution company, we continue to see strong growth across our service territory, having added 37,000 net new customers over the past year. On the regulatory front, we saw a very promising decision from the Arizona Corporation Commission just this past week, authorizing the recovery of $74 million in margin related to our customer-owned yard line and vintage steel pipe replacement programs. Also, third quarter operating margin increased by 18 million, or 10%, and we continued executing on our sustainability goals as seen with our partnership with Pima County in Arizona, supporting the harvesting of renewable natural gas at the now operational Trace Rios RNG processing facility, and walking the talk on the energy transition with our announced investment as a founding partner in the Energy Capital Ventures Fund. Meanwhile, at our Century Infrastructure Services business, We continue our high-quality acquisition track record with the completed acquisition during the quarter of Riggs-Dissler, expanding Century's geographic footprint and service offering suite to include the provision of unionized electrical contracting services, 5G, offshore wind, and more. Relatedly, we were excited to see Riggs-Dissler being selected as general contractor for the 880-megawatt Sunrise Wind offshore wind farms. Overall, we saw Century's third quarter revenues increase by $52 million, or 9%, and we're also eager to explore the opportunities that Century may have to capitalize on as part of the federal government's infrastructure spending plans. Moving to slide six, we present additional detail on our recently announced new board members, Ms. Connolly and Mr. Rui-Sanchez, bring excellent experience and skills to our board, and we're very excited to welcome them to the holdings team. With the simultaneously announced planned retirements of Mr. Malarkey and Mr. Comer at our May annual meeting, year on year, we anticipate the average tenure of Southwest Gas Holdings directors will decrease from 10.3 years to 8 years. Current Holdings Director Robert Bogner is anticipated to become chairman of the Holdings Board upon Mike Malarkey's retirement in May. Our board's continuing refreshment efforts ensure shareholders are represented by a board of directors with excellent diversity of business experience, professional background, gender, and ethnicity. Turning to slide seven. We recap the excellent fit and finish that our planned year-end Questar Pipeline acquisition brings to Holdings shareholders. A comprehensive Questar Pipelines asset brings high-quality contracted customers with an average relationship length of 49 years. Questar Pipelines are a unique and hard-to-replace suite of assets that serve strong and growing regional demands and provide strong and consistent cash flows and earnings. Questar Pipelines is also an excellent cultural fit with Southwest Gas Holdings, given our mutual and independent prioritization of safety, reliability, affordability, customer service, and environmental stewardship. For Holdings, welcoming Questar Pipelines to our family increases our regulated business mix, reduces earnings volatility and business risk, increases earnings per share, provides strong incremental cash flows, allows us increased participation in the energy transition with opportunities in renewable natural gas, responsibly sourced natural gas, hydrogen, carbon dioxide transportation, and more. The acquisition will be done with a flexible financing plan that enables holdings to maximize returns for our shareholders. On slide eight. We provide further insight into the positive ramifications of the Riggs-Dissler transaction that we closed during the quarter. This acquisition fits a need that we've communicated to shareholders over the past two years and will accelerate earnings per share and dividends for Holdings shareholders. As mentioned earlier, Riggs-Dissler's core competencies in unionized electric services, storm restoration, 5G, and renewable energy provide Century an enviable expansion opportunity to grow its electric services segment, expand further into the renewable energy space, and support our nation's drive for changes to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. We're very excited that the acquisition will be accretive for 2022, likely exhibiting a similar seasonal business revenue profile to Century's existing businesses. Turning to slide nine. We show the exceptional growth in EBITDA that the Century business has cultivated over the past 10 years. Serial successive acquisitions, including LinkLine, NUCO, LineTech, and now Riggs-Dissler, along with organic growth, has demonstrated this board and management team's focus on creating tremendous shareholder value and growing the Century business. 2020 EBITDA is five times that experience just 10 years ago. While this business could have been sold two, four, or six years ago, its continued growth under the stewardship of the Holdings Board has allowed continued polish of this gem of a business, while EBITDA valuation multiples for the infrastructure services sector have expanded dramatically over those same periods. Now more than ever, Century is poised to increase Holdings' profitability while providing a growing source of cash to fund continued capital investments in our state-regulated distribution business. Moving to slide 10, the Holdings board and management team believe our utility-oriented businesses, state-regulated distribution systems, federally-regulated pipeline assets, and unregulated utility infrastructure services offer a compelling and complementary investment proposition for our shareholders. Continued strong growth is inherent in each aspect of the business, from strong regional economies, from utilities refreshing aging distribution systems, from significant federal governmental spending initiatives to support new infrastructure, and the ability for all these businesses to support the energy transition that desires to increase renewable opportunities while recognizing customer demands for reliability and affordability. The businesses exhibit great diversity from varied regulatory venues, geographic locales, and the symbiotic nature of state-regulated segments that grow earnings through significant capital reinvestment with federally regulated and unregulated segments that produce excellent cash flows. comprehensive holdings growth theme will reward shareholders with strong earnings and dividend growth while maintaining investment-grade credit ratings and serving current customer needs while aggressively pursuing opportunities in the years ahead to support increased deployment of renewable energy resources nationwide. With that, I'll now turn the call back to Greg.
spk05: Thank you, John. As a reminder, our earnings press release and quarter those documents for additional details of our quarterly results in Outlook for 2021. For today's call, let's start with a summary of total company operating results on slide 11. For the 12 months into September 30, 2021, net income was $234 million, or $4.02 per diluted share, compared to net income in the prior year period of $220 million, or $397 per diluted share. For the third quarter of 2021, we reported a consolidated net loss of $0.19 per share, compared to third quarter EPS of $0.32 in 2020. Not presented here, but detailed in the earnings press release, is adjusted EPS of $0.05 per share in the current quarter, which reflects the impacts of two items. One, $13 million, or $0.18 per share of transaction costs for the Riggs-Dissler acquisition, and two, a $5 million or $0.06 per share legal reserve at the utility. The next several slides detail results by segment. Let's start with the third quarter natural gas operation results on slide 12. This waterfall chart shows the components of the change in natural gas operations results between quarters. As a reminder, due to the seasonality of this business, utility losses during the third quarter are expected. As I previously mentioned, current quarter results reflect the impact of a $5 million legal reserve. Operating margin increased nearly $18 million, including $13 million associated with rate relief in all three states, as well as $2 million from customer growth, reflecting 37,000 first-time meter sets over the past 12 months. The increase in O&M expenses includes The timing of vacation, other time off, and miscellaneous employee benefits were up $2.5 million between quarters. I should note that last year's third quarter O&M was unusually low and reflected the impacts of COVID-19, which limited in-person training and travel, delayed the hiring of new and replacement employees, and deferred various planned projects. Excluding the $5 million legal reserve, O&M for the third quarter of 2021 only increased 5.2% cumulatively, or 2.6% annually, since the third quarter of 2019, which was pre-COVID. planned in service, including the new customer information system. I should note that this customer information system is a $100-plus million project with a 15-year depreciable life. The $6 million decline in other income reflects no change in the cash surrender value of company-owned life insurance or COLE policies this quarter compared to net income of $4.5 million in last year's quarter. Next, Century, our utility infrastructure services segment results for the third quarter were impacted by one-time transaction costs associated with the Riggs-Dissler acquisition of $13 million. Revenues increased 52.5 million or 9% between quarters, including $49.5 million from Riggs-Dissler following the August 27th acquisition. The overall increase in revenues and a slightly lower level of storm restoration work. The increase in infrastructure expenses was primarily due to the significant growth in overall revenues, including Riggs-Dissler at results. Profit margins were somewhat hampered by the lower level of storm restoration work, which generally generates a higher profit margin, The $5.8 million increase in depreciation and amortization is primarily attributable to costs added with the Riggs-Dissler acquisition and other equipment placed in service to support the higher volume of Century's businesses. The $4.3 million increase in insurance expense reflects the higher level of borrowing under Century's expanded credit facility utilized to acquire Riggs-Dissler. Next, we'll transition to a review of 12-month activities. This slide depicts the components of the $26.1 million increase in natural gas operations net income between 12-month periods. The $72 million or 7% improvement in operating margin reflects $52 million of combined rate relief in Arizona, Nevada, and California. Continuing customer growth provided $13 million of the improvement in overall operating margin. The increase in O&M reflects $7.3 million of service-related pension costs and $1.1 million of higher bad debt allowances. We continue to work with our customers to establish payment plans for those impacted by COVID-19. The $31.9 million increase in depreciation, amortization, and general taxes reflects the impacts of a $570 and earnings. Revenues increased nearly 180% related to electric infrastructure, including $4.7 million for Briggs-Dissler following the acquisition. Additional equipment and computer systems to support the growing volume of work also contribute to the increase in depreciation. The next couple of slides are focused specifically on research. Hurricane Ida in lighter red. We are excited about the solid Union Electric Foundation that Riggs-Dissler provides and the expansion into ESG and energy transition work. About a month ago, we announced that Riggs-Dissler had been selected as a general contractor for the Orsted Eversource Sunrise Wind Project in New York. We will be responsible for building and assembling its offshore wind project. This is but one piece of the growth that we expect from our acquisition of Riggs-Dissler. As John mentioned earlier, we anticipate $600 million of revenue growth from Riggs-Dissler through 2024. It will be a building process over time, such that Riggs-Dissler will not only be very profitable on a standalone basis, but is expected to cover the interest-carrying charges be accretive to EPS in 2022. Slide 17 depicts the initial asset allocation of the Riggs-Dissler acquisition in August 2021. The weighted average useful lives of property and equipment, as well as those of the amortizable intangibles, are designed to provide and $1.145 billion term loan B that we utilized to finance the acquisition. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Justin Brown for a regulatory update.
spk04: Thanks, Greg. Slide 18 highlights our most recent rate case outcomes that will contribute to an increase in revenues of approximately $66 million during the course of calendar year 2021. As part of our most recent rate case decisions, Arizona saw a 46% increase in rate base, Nevada a 20% increase, which was also on the heels of an over 30% increase in 2018, and a 73% increase in California. This growth in rate base would simply not be possible without strong collaborative relationships with each of our commissions. Turning to slide 19, and consistent with prior guidance that we provided about rate case We filed a Nevada rate case during the third quarter. As previously mentioned, the Nevada Commission preferred us to file more frequent rate cases to timely recover our investment in the recently completed customer information system. In addition to this investment, the primary driver of the request is to reflect the ongoing investments to support customer demand from new growth, as well as continuing efforts to modernize our system to ensure safe and reliable service to our customers, including minimizing fugitive methane emissions. The request includes a proposed increase in revenues of $30.5 million, resulting from an increase in rate base of nearly $250 million, an almost 20% increase. The Commission also established a COVID-19 regulatory asset early in the pandemic, and we are requesting recovery of over $6 million of revenue related to the deferral of late payment charges. We're requesting to recover this amount over a period of two years. We continue to work towards filing our next Arizona general rate case before year end, and we filed our notice of intent with the Arizona Corporation Commission this morning. We anticipate a test year ended August 2021, and we plan to request for approval of an adjustment for up to 12 months post-test year plan. Based on our proposals, we anticipate a proposed increase to rate base of about 35 to 40%. Moving to slide 20, last week the ACC approved 100% of the requested revenue requirement associated with our COIL and VSP filings that John mentioned. The $14 million associated with the COIL program will be recovered over a period of one year starting this month, and the $60 million related to the VSP program will be recovered over three years beginning March of 2022. We're appreciative of the Commission's commitment to consider these amounts and allow recovery over a reasonable period of time. Lastly, moving to slide 21, as reflected in our presentation today, we have seen tremendous growth in our regulated business, and a key partner in that growth story has been our regulators. A strong partnership with each of our regulatory commissions have helped support an increase in rate base of $1.6 billion, or nearly 70% since 2017. This simply would not be possible without the support of our regulators through constructive rate case outcomes combined with supportive regulatory mechanisms. Slide 21 also highlights some of these key regulatory mechanisms that have contributed to our ability to deliver on the mutual goals of providing safe, reliable service and supporting growth within our service territories, as well as partnering with key stakeholders to pursue initiatives to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and support a clean energy future. And with that, I'll turn it over to Karen.
spk07: Thanks, Justin. I will start on slide 22. Our regulated utility customers give us high marks for customer satisfaction. In a survey of customers conducted through a third-party research firm, our customer satisfaction scores were an impressive 95% on a 12-month rolling average. And we are proud to rank number one for utility customer satisfaction in three studies conducted by an independent leading national consumer insights firm. For two years running, we were ranked first among gas utilities satisfaction. Similarly, we were ranked first in the West region for residential customer satisfaction for 2020. The 2021 results are yet to be published. We were also ranked number one in the West for utility digital experience. This ranking affirms the enhancements we made to our digital channels, including the implementation This system enables us to deliver an even higher level of service to our customers. These survey results are a testament to the excellent quality of service we provide our customers and a primary reason why 91% of customers surveyed in Arizona, California, and Nevada indicated that they want natural gas in their homes. Turning to slide 23, we provide information on our diversified and growing customer base at the utilities. Customer growth in our service territory continues to be robust. In fact, we added 37,000 first-time meter sets over the past 12 months as people continue to move to the desert southwest. In addition, we have decoupled rate designs in all three service territories that reduce volatility for both our customers and the company. Slide 24 illustrates our strong liquidity positions. We have a $400 million revolving credit facility and a $250 million term loan. As of the end of September, we have nearly $523 million availability of combined borrowing capacity and cash. We highlight our capital expenditure program and funding sources for the three-year period ending December 2023 on slide 25. To serve new customer growth and ensure the safe and reliable natural gas service our customers expect, we anticipate capital spending of approximately $2.1 billion over the three-year period. We plan to fund the $2.5 billion combined capital investment and stockholder dividends with 50% from operation cash flows and the remaining balance with an equal mix of debt and equity. On slide 26, we show the five in our natural gas distribution system. We expect to grow rate-based from approximately $4.5 billion at the end of 2020 to $6.5 billion at the end of 2025, which translates into a 7.5% compound annual growth rate. Moving to slide 27, you can see that we have a stockholder dividend of $2.38 per share. The dividend has increased each year for the past 15 years, We target a payout ratio of between 55% and 65%. Our EPS guidance for 2021 is shown on slide 28. As we approach the final quarter of 2021, we have refined our previous guidance to a range of $4 to $4.10. The adjusted EPS excludes the transaction costs for the recently announced acquisition of Questar Pipelines, the activism response. On slide 29, we provide line-item support for our 2021 EPS guidance range. At the natural gas operations, we expect operating margin to increase 6 to 8 percent, pension costs to be relatively flat, operating income to increase 4 to 6 percent, up from a previous range of 3 to 5 percent, COE earnings to be 5 to 7 million, and capital expenditures to be $650 to $675 million. At the century infrastructure business, revenues excluding Riggs-Dissler for 2021 are expected to be 1% to 3% greater than the record 2020 amount. And operating income excluding Riggs-Dissler is expected to be 5% to 5.4% of revenues. Meanwhile, Riggs-Dissler is expected to generate revenues of $150 to $170 million with an operating loss of $11 to $13 million from the date of acquisition. Total interest expenses increased to a range of $19.5 to $20.5 million due to the term loan and credit facility in connection with the Riggs-Dissler acquisition. Net income expectations are net of non-controlling interest and the Canadian exchange rates can influence results due to our Canadian operation. Finally, we anticipate transaction-related expenses at the corporate and administrative level due to the Questar pipeline acquisition and activism response of approximately $25 to $30 million. Turning to slide 30, we provide our longer-term expectations. At the Southwest Gas Holdings level, we are announcing EPS growth range for 2022 and 2023 of 5% to 8% based on adjusted 2021 EPS guidance. We also expect equity issuances of $600 million to $800 million over the three years ending in 2023. As I previously mentioned, a target dividend payout ratio of 55% to 65%. At the regulated natural gas over the five years ending in 2025, and a 7.5% compound annual growth rate for rate base for that same period. At the infrastructure services business, we expect revenues to increase 27% to 33% in 2022 with a full year of Riggs-Dissler operations, and 2023 revenues are expected to increase 7% to 10% over 2022. Operating income is expected to be 5.25% to 6.25% of revenues during 2022 and 2023, and EBITDA is expected to be 11% to 12% of revenues during that same period. I will now turn the call back to John for concluding remarks.
spk03: Thanks, Karen. Wrapping up on page 31, we believe that Southwest Gas Holdings offers a compelling value proposition for our investors. We are strong and growing and positioning for the future. Our natural gas operations are experiencing strong customer growth and opportunities for capital investment and rate-based growth while maintaining affordability of service to customers. We'll continue to pursue successful regulatory partnerships on the many initiatives described by Justin earlier and look for expanded opportunities in helping address national goals for greenhouse gas emission reductions All of this with anticipation of a strong growth trajectory for increased earnings and dividends for our shareholders. Meanwhile, at our Century Infrastructure Services business segment, we'll continue to grow our business revenues, earnings, cash flows, customer base, service offerings, and geographic footprint to maximize the value of this business for our shareholders. We believe this business has great opportunities, portfolio grows its renewable opportunities and partners with natural gas distribution utilities to expand and refresh the natural gas infrastructure critical to support the anticipated increased deployment of renewable energy assets across our country. With that, I'll now turn the call to Greg.
spk05: Thanks, John. That concludes our prepared presentation. For those who have accessed our slides, segment. These slides can be reviewed at your convenience. Our operator, Alexander, will now explain the process for asking questions.
spk00: Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star 1 to ask a question. We have your first question from Richard Senderland with JP Morgan. Your line is open.
spk01: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions here. Just wanted to start maybe with the QuestR acquisition. What are your latest thoughts on timing and approach to the financing there?
spk03: Richard, I'll start out. This is John, and then maybe Greg can add some commentary on the end of that. But our anticipation is that this is on track to close by – We do have a 364-day loan that we have access to, and we're frankly evaluating numerous different financing options that we've been looking at. We hope to do a fair amount of that in the first quarter. It's possible with blackout periods, et cetera, that some of that may get done in the second quarter, and it's even possible that some of that get done in Greg, any other color on that? I think you've covered that, John.
spk05: We are certainly looking at the equity markets as well as the debt markets and we're finding the efficient and best way to accomplish that long-term financing as John mentioned. We are glad that we have that flexibility of the term loan that provides us the flexibility to seek the best financing for this transaction.
spk01: Understood and Have you thought about the stake sale at Century in light of kind of the new considerations that you outlined around value there as a source of funds, whether for Questar or just overall?
spk03: Sure. This is John again. That is one of the things that we're taking a look at. It's something that our board, frankly, has looked at probably annually for the past several years, and it certainly would be one way of accomplishing some of that financing. So, that definitely is an option on the table that we're looking at.
spk01: Understood. And then separately, you know, at a high level, what are the goals or milestones you're looking at to demonstrate medium-term value, you know, on the back of the board's tender rejection?
spk03: Well, I think, Richard, we've got a strong growth trajectory both at Century and at the LDC, and I think that the the new pipeline business is going to be a really solid component to that. So I think it's really going to come down to executing on our business plan and providing you and others the proof and the accounting data that get realized from those efforts. And ultimately, I think that shareholders will appreciate that and that will be reflected in our share price. We're also going to be undertaking... a significant investor relations effort to try to make sure that the investors understand the value of the various different business components, including trying to make a special outreach to those investors that might be particularly interested or intrigued by infrastructure service companies, especially in light of the federal government's plans to fund that infrastructure significantly.
spk01: Understood. Thank you for the time today. Okay. Thank you.
spk00: We have your next question from Julian Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America. Your line is open.
spk06: Hey, it's actually Cody Clark on for Julian. Thanks for taking my question.
spk03: Hey, Cody.
spk06: First, kind of a housekeeping item. Greg, can you add a little bit more color on the drivers for Century's trailing 12-month EBITDA? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it was fairly flat year over year, even when rolling in Is there anything that you would point out to that effect?
spk05: Yes, this is Greg. Welcome to the call. As you mentioned, both of the numbers are relatively flat between the 12-month periods. As I mentioned in my comments, there was some additional storm work that occurred in the prior year 12-month period versus this year. And so there's a little bit of that in there. And overall, again, Century is gearing up for the expansion in their various systems, and we expect the tremendous growth to start Q4 going forward.
spk06: Thanks for that, Greg. And then looking towards the Arizona rate case that will be followed towards the end of the year, how are you thinking about the rate increase ask as you look to roll in all of that capital? it seems like it would be a large step up. So wondering how you would get stakeholders comfortable with it, and especially with such an acute focus on low rates in the state.
spk04: Yeah, Cody, it's Justin. It's a great question. It's something we're very much focused on as we're putting the filing together to make sure that we emphasize the various cost savings, cost management initiatives that have been going on that contribute to you know, managing the reasonable level of our bills because we recognize that given the capital investments that that's going to put upward pressure, so we're very focused on the O&M side. I think we have a good story that we're in the process of putting together that will be incorporated in the filing.
spk06: Got it. Thank you for the time.
spk00: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris Ellinghouse with Seward Williams Shank. Your line is open.
spk02: Hey, everybody. How are you? Good, Chris. Thanks. Just a little clarity on the transaction costs for Riggs-Dissler. I think in the press release, you also mentioned $3 million of other incremental costs. Just elaborate on what that was and why did you not exclude that as well?
spk05: Yeah, Chris, this is Greg. We were really trying to focus on Those one-time incremental costs, and we knew that the costs to incurred on Riggs-Dissler and going forward for the Questar pipeline acquisition were things that most analysts would want to pull out in making that assessment. Some of these other costs, while they were higher, do recur on an ongoing basis.
spk02: Okay. Also, the... Customer information costs incrementally, are those going to be ongoing and for how long?
spk05: So the costs that I identified were kind of the stabilization, the step-up costs as we move from a system that we've been utilizing for the better part of three decades. We certainly needed to train and help our people move forward with that. So there were incremental costs, especially incurred in Q2. and Q3 this year. That project is relatively stable going forward. The customers seem to really like it, and we will have ongoing costs associated with the depreciation of that property, but these ramp-up costs that we experienced early in this year will dissipate and go away by year-end.
spk02: Okay, great. Justin, the COIL and VSP ruling seemed to go really smoothly. How do you reconcile that with how the APS case was going? And as a second question there, obviously they got a much lower ROE. Are you concerned about the APS ROE or do you feel that they treat you differently? Well, it's a
spk04: we answer these types of questions, you know, I think from our perspective, you know, we have a plan of how we operate with respect to each of our partnerships with the different state commissions. We believe that, you know, regardless of the different proceedings that occur in each of those jurisdictions and in Arizona, that I think each of the filings and each of these utilities kind of stand on their own merit and based on, you know, their relationship And so it's hard for me to comment about, you know, other utilities in the state and the circumstances that lead to certain outcomes. I know from our perspective, we feel like we have very good working relationships. We're very transparent and open with our regulators. You know, this is something, you know, this COIL and BSP filing is something that came up back in 2019 when they wanted to suspend the surcharges because of different interests at that time. We appreciate their commitment to give us the opportunity to re-look at this at a future date, which is exactly what they did. And so we're appreciative of the fact that they held up that commitment. And we feel like we held up our commitment of the bargain of providing them the information and working with them through the process.
spk02: Okay. It looks like customer growth maybe slowed a little bit in the quarter. Can you just elaborate on what you're seeing there?
spk05: Yeah, Chris, this is Greg. I don't think that it slowed any at all. The 37,000 first-time meter sets, as you mentioned, is consistent with what's going on. We're very happy about that. We certainly look forward, I think, as many do, to continuing customer growth. And so we're well positioned for that. We did have, as we mentioned in our quarterly report, the reestablishment of disconnect for non-payment for certain of our customers. And so that has a little bit of impact on the total customer counts, but customer growth is strong, and we expect it to stay that way for certainly the near term.
spk02: Okay. Thanks for the call. I appreciate it, guys.
spk00: I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Greg Peterson for any closing remarks.
spk05: Thank you Alexander and thank you all for your time today. This concludes our conference call and we appreciate your participation and your interest in Southwest Gas Holdings.
spk00: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation.
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