speaker
Operator

Good morning. My name is Brent and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Tricon Residential's first quarter 2023 analyst conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question at that time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I'd now like to turn the conference over to your speaker today, Wojtek Nowak, Managing Director of Capital Markets. Thank you. Please go ahead.

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Brent

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Tricom's first quarter results for the three months ended March 31st, 2023, which were shared in the news release distributed yesterday. I'd like to remind you that our remarks and answers to your questions, they contain forward-looking statements and information. This information is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events or results to differ materially. For more information, please refer to our most recent management discussion and analysis and annual information form, which are available on CDAR, EDGAR, and our company website, as well as the supplementary package on our website. Our remarks also include references to non-GAAP financial measures, which are explained and reconciled in our MD&A. I would also like to remind everyone that all figures are being quoted in U.S. dollars unless otherwise stated. Please note that this call is available by webcast on our website and a replay will be accessible there following the call. Lastly, please note that during this call, we will be referring to a slide presentation that you can follow by joining our webcast or you can access directly to our website. You can find both the webcast registration and the presentation in the investor section of Tricon Residential dot com under news and events. With that, I will turn the call over to Gary Berman, President and CEO of Trigon.

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Gary Berman

Thank you, Wojtek, and good morning, everyone. We've had a great start to 2023, and I'm excited to discuss our Q1 results with you. Let's turn to slide two so I can share with you our key takeaways for today's call. First, we delivered another solid quarter of operational performance with no evidence of economic weakness in our single-family rental business. We reported same home NOI growth of 6.2%, a near record NOI margin of 69.5%, high occupancy of 97.3%, low turnover of 16.8%, and consistently strong blended rent growth of 7.2%. Second, we continue to grow responsibly, acquiring 409 homes during the quarter. In response to significant demand for our homes, we plan to double our acquisitions in the second quarter as the MLS listing volume increases during the spring selling season. We remain committed to growing our business over the long term in a strategic and responsible way. Third, we are focused on process improvement and cost containment during this period of slower growth by driving cost savings in corporate overhead and property operating expenses. At the same time, we strengthened our balance sheet by refinancing over 100 million of near-term maturities on a proportionate basis and reducing our floating rate debt exposure to 26% from 29% last quarter. And finally, when market conditions do improve, we are well positioned to grow with about 55 million of annualized ASFO less dividends and 2.6 billion of available capital, including liquidity on our balance sheet and third-party unfunded equity commitments. On slide three, as we spoke about it on Investor Day in April, we continue to see a major valuation disconnect between our share price and our fundamental value drivers, such as book value for share and NOI growth. When we take a step back and look at it, our net operating income has grown at a compounded rate of 18% per year since 2019. Our book value for share has also grown by 16% per annum since 2019. Interestingly, though, our stock price is now back to 2019 levels, which doesn't make much sense when you look at the value that has been created since that time. So now let's look at the interplay between private and public market cap rates on the right-hand side of the page. What's different about single-family rental when compared to other commercial real estate sectors is it's one of the largest, most liquid asset classes in the world. There's no price discovery per se, and there's no bid-ask spread. This is because every single day there are thousands of transactions to validate pricing. That's why we feel confident about our own internal valuation of a 5% implied cap rate based on stabilized NOI and 6% when including the loss to lease in our portfolios. Green Street arises similar valuation or implied with average cap rate at 4.7% for our market coverage through the cap rate observer publication. It's true that right now we're acquiring homes close to a 6% cap rate, but that's only because we're buying in small volume. If we wanted to go back to acquiring a large volume of homes every year, or let's say eight or 10,000, we believe the cap rate would be closer to five and a quarter percent. So let's compare that with the public market. Tricon is currently trading at a 7.5% implied cap rate based on stabilized NOI. If you were to include the loss to lease in our portfolio, we're closer to 9%. This shows a massive disconnect between where the public and private markets are trading. We think that over time the public markets should catch up. There seems to be a lot of value to unlock for our shareholders, and we believe that this is a tremendous opportunity to own Tricon for those that have a longer-term investment horizon. Moving to slide four. Demand for our rental homes continues to be robust. To show this, we focused on two key indicators, monthly leads and monthly applications per available home. You can see that seasonality was more pronounced in Q4 than in prior years, with leads and applications dipping. However, the rebound in Q1 and into April has been very healthy, with leads and applications even higher than what we were seeing before the pandemic. This makes for a very supportive demand backdrop as we head into the busy spring market. Turning to slide five, you can see that the rental supply has been increasing post-pandemic. We think this is partly due to the lock-in effect of low in-place mortgage rates, which is incentivizing some homeowners to rent out their homes rather than selling them. What's interesting is the supply looks like it's starting to stabilize at levels that are slightly below what we saw pre-pandemic. Anecdotally, this finding agrees with research that was recently published by the National Rental Home Council, showing that over the past decade, the proportion of single-family rentals within the overall single-family housing market has actually shrunk by 1.4%. When taken together, the combination of rising demand for rental housing and stabilizing supply of rental homes provides a compelling backdrop for our business. On slide six, you can see how this translates into rank growth, which remains well above pre-pandemic levels that were already strong to begin with. Our rank growth in April remains resilient and is slightly ahead of Q1, featuring 11.9% growth on new leases and 6.5% on renewals for blended rank growth of 7.6%. Turning to slide seven, let's talk about the general state of the housing market and what the opportunity set looks like for acquisitions. Within our target markets, prices of homes that meet our buy box have declined roughly 4% year-over-year, while rents are actually up 3%. Together, this combination of moderated home prices and slightly higher rents has led to an expansion in cap rates of about 30 basis points. While this is directionally positive, MLS listings volume in our market has declined roughly 20% year-over-year, given homeowners' reluctance to sell and forego their attractively priced in-place mortgages, thereby reducing our buying opportunity. The good news is both prices and rent seem to have stabilized since the beginning of the year and appear to be moving back up. Moreover, listings volume has increased roughly 20% since January and should enable us to acquire homes at a faster pace as we head into the spring and summer months. As you can see on slide eight, Q1 was a relatively slow quarter for Tricon's acquisitions, but it's on target with our expectations. As we look out to Q2, we expect seasonally higher listing volume to provide the opportunity to double our acquisition page from Q1 or remain disciplined in our acquisition criteria. Recall that we are targeting cap rates of 5.5% to 6%, albeit with a preference closer to 6% to match our expected cost of debt financing and to help us generate the mid-teens IRRs we expect in our joint ventures. That being said, foreign costs come down, and we were to shift our criteria to a lower target cap rate, let's say five and a quarter to five and three quarters percent, we could buy a lot more homes. With that, I'll now turn it over to our CFO with Sam Francis to discuss our financial results.

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Wojtek

Thank you, Gary, and good morning, everyone. We delivered another solid quarter of financial results, and I want to thank our exceptional team for their hard work and dedication as we focus on process improvement and cost containment across our business. Let's turn to slide nine to review our key financial metrics for the first quarter. Net income from continued operation was 29 million compared to 150 million last year, which includes 12 million of fair value gains on rental properties against a very strong comp of almost 300 million last year, as home price appreciation has moderated in recent months. For FFO per share was 14 cents, which is consistent year over year. And AFFO per share was 11 cents, also consistent with last year, providing us with ample cushion to support our quarterly dividend with an AFFO payout ratio of 48%. Lastly, our IFRS book value stands at $13.96, or $18.89 in Canadian dollars, of almost 19% year over year. And we'll also note that our book value does not factor in the value of our fee streams. Let's move on to slide 10 and talk about the drivers of core FFO per share. Our single family rental portfolio delivered 18% year-over-year growth in Tricon's proportionate NOI. This figure reflects 17.2% revenue growth, which was driven by 5.6% increase in proportionate rental home count, 1.1% of higher occupancy, and 8.7% increase in average rent. Our same home NOI also increased by a solid 6.2% this quarter. FFO from fees increased by 3%, primarily driven by higher Johnson development fees, including 3.5 million earned from large bulk sale of commercial lands. This was partially offset by a lower property management fee following the sale of the US multifamily rental portfolio in October. In our adjacent residential businesses, the year-over-year decrease of 6% in FFO reflected strong results in residential development driven by healthy for sale housing demand, offset by lower FFO following the sale of the U.S. multifamily portfolio. I want to highlight that both of our U.S. residential business and our Johnson business are a great read-through into the overall housing market. And from what we can see today, housing demand is holding up exceptionally well. On the corporate side, interest expense was up as we have a higher debt balance to support the growth of our single family rental portfolio, along with higher average interest rates. Meanwhile, corporate overhead expenses decreased from last year because of lower AIP, LTIP, and performance fee expense, which was partially offset by higher GNA and stable salary expense. As we mentioned last quarter, we are laser focused on cost containment in this period of slower growth. And as we see, we are delivering on this commitment. Lastly, the diluted share count this quarter was 0.5% lower than last year due to the impact of our share repurchase program, where we have repurchased over 1.7 million shares so far. Let's now turn to our proportionate debt profile on slide 11. We have been proactive with addressing our near-term debt maturities and floating rate debt exposure, as we said we would. In Q1, we repaid or refinanced over $140 million of near-term maturities, with plans in place to refinance or repay all of our remaining 2023 maturities in the coming months. These near-term maturities include two JV subscription lines that are used to fund acquisitions. which will be fully repaid this year by calling on JV Capital Commitments, or we will be refinancing into longer-term debt. We also have a bank term loan with an extension option, and we have already exercised our option to extend this loan by another year. During the quarter, we also refinanced 101 million of floating rate warehouse loans maturing in 2025, and fixed rate loans maturing in 2028. This has helped bring down our floating rate exposure from 29% of total debt last quarter to 26% this quarter. As a reminder, we use floating rate warehouse lines to fund acquisitions in the short term. This is not a permanent part of our capital structure and is an exposure we seek to actively turn out and roll into fixed rate instruments. Over time, as we continue to grow, our percentage of floating rate debt will also continue to go down. I also want to highlight that more than 74% of our floating rate debt is subject to caps, which is explained on slide 12. Rising interest rates have been a headwind for our floating rate debt, as well as new fixed rate debt used to grow the business. But we mitigate some of these higher debt costs with interest rate caps that are now in the money. As you can see on the bottom right-hand chart, our interest rate cap saved us approximately 1.4 million of interest rate costs in Q1. If we sensitize the SOFR rate for an increase of 25 or 50 basis points, you will see that our hedging program effectively cushions two-thirds of that increase. I'll finish off with slide 13 to note that our guidance for 2023 remains unchanged from the initial guidance that we issued last quarter. We believe we are on track towards our guided range for the full year. As Gary mentioned, our acquisitions are on target so far, with the expectation of seasonal acceleration in the summer months. FFO per share and same home NOI growth are also on track, even though the components of same home revenue growth and expense growth were both light this quarter against the prior comps. We expect this to normalize in the year ahead. And now, to give more insight into our same-home metrics, I'll turn the call over to the wind beneath my wings, our Chief Operating Officer, Kevin Baldrige.

speaker
Gary

Thank you, Vasant, and good morning, everyone. Our strong first quarter performance is very much a testament to the dedication of our amazing team, our people-first approach, and our best-in-class operations. We've had a great start to the year, and we're only getting started. Let's move to slide 14 to talk about the drivers of our same home NOI growth of 6.2% for the quarter. On the top line, revenue growth was driven by a 7.4% increase in average in-place rents that were partially offset by a 60 basis point decrease in occupancy as we shifted slightly towards a rent growth bias going into the spring months. Our rent growth remains healthy. with blended rent growth of 7.2% during the quarter, underpinned by 10.3% growth on new move-ins and 6.5% on renewals. Our renewals reflect our policy of self-governing, which maintains rent growth below market levels for existing residents, helping them stay in their homes longer, and as a byproduct, keeps our turnover low. As we moved into April, we saw demand continuing to strengthen, with rent growth coming in at a healthy 11.9% on new leases, 6.5% on renewals, and 7.6% on a blended basis. Our bad debt expense, which is embedded in the revenue numbers, has been tracking around 1.2% compared to 0.5% in the first quarter of the prior year when we benefited from significant government rental assistance payments. I should note that our bad debt has improved significantly from a pandemic high of 2.9%. And looking ahead, we continue to target bad debt of 1% of revenues by the end of this year. Finally, other revenue decreased by 13% from last year. This was driven by lower late fees as our collections have improved, coupled with more conservative provisioning for resident recoveries to reflect actual collections rather than billed amounts. This was partially offset by revenues earned from services that enhance our resident experience, like smart home and renter's insurance, which saw increased adoption year over year. Over time, we do see a path to increasing other revenue as we continue to focus on rolling out additional services that add value to our residents. Let's now turn to slide 15 to discuss our same-home expense growth of 2%. The slight rise in expenses was driven by property taxes, which were up 10% from last year, reflecting meaningful home price appreciation in our markets. We still expect property taxes to be up around 8% for the full year, but are comping against a relatively low accrual in Q1 of last year. On the other hand, repairs and maintenance expenses were down this quarter by 20.5%, Although we experienced higher work orders as well as cost inflation, we were able to offset this by cost containment initiatives, refining our work scopes, and undertaking more work orders in-house. We now have about 75% of our available work orders completed in-house and are on track towards our goal of 80% by the end of the year. We also benefited from higher refunds in the quarter through our vendor rebate program, which helped to bring down R&M expense. Turnover expenses were also meaningfully down as our turnover remained low at 16.8%. Thanks to our focus on superior customer service, along with a greater proportion of costs being capitalized, given the more extensive work being done on homes with longer resident tenures. Likewise, we put in place process improvements and cost containment initiatives that have brought down the combined expense and capitalized turnover costs by 14% compared to last year. Next, homeowners associations costs increased by 14.5%, reflecting about 5% inflation in HOA dues as well as a heightened level of violations imposed by HOAs coming out of the pandemic, which drove higher penalties. And finally, other direct expenses increased from having a higher penetration of smart homes in our portfolio and increased utility costs. We remain focused on the things that we can control to offset rising costs while keeping an emphasis on creating the best resident experience possible. With this, I wanted to walk through our proactive approach to managing our costs to maintain on slide 16. I'm pleased to report we reduced the cost to maintain by 3% year over year. We really think of three main areas of savings. First, our national procurement program were focused on negotiating price reductions on materials to help offset inflationary pressures. Next, our scope management, where we actively refine and manage work scopes. And finally, our internalization efforts, where we use our in-house team to undertake a higher number of work orders versus using outside vendors. Our in-house technician's cost per work order is about $400 cheaper than using a vendor for similar work. We are also seeing a stabilization in the mix between capitalized and expensed items. Recall that over the last few quarters, we have seen a higher mix of CapEx compared to the prior year, given the more extensive work required to turn and maintain our homes. This was partially driven by longer resident tenure, which is almost a year longer than it was at this time last year. And it's also a function of people spending 24 hours a day in their homes during the pandemic which created more wear and tear. We are starting to lack those comps, and so the mix of CapEx versus OpEx should be less of a driver of expense variance going forward. Turning to slide 17, I'm thrilled to introduce to you our proprietary resident app, which some of you saw at our recent investor day. We're super excited about this app as it provides a one-stop shop for our residents where they can control their smart home devices, pay their rent, submit maintenance requests, and track their work order progress all in a single sign-on app. They can even monitor our maintenance technicians while they transit to their home in an Uber-style function, which we think is really cool and adds an elevated level of convenience and transparency to our resident experience. Our goal is to invest in technology that improves the lives of our residents, and we're happy to see this app going live in nine markets so far and serving over 5,000 residents and counting. We have plans to roll out to all markets within the next year. We're not only innovating in our operations and resident experience, but also in our pursuit of our ESG objectives as shown on slide 18. We recently released our third annual ESG report. One of the highlights in this report is the progress we've made on addressing our environmental footprint. We developed an industry-first energy consumption model to estimate the baseline environmental footprint in our SFR portfolio and to track future improvements as we make our homes more sustainable. Given that the utilities in our homes are controlled by our residents, we don't directly control the energy use in each of our single-family homes. However, with our consumption model, we can now measure and meaningfully improve the energy usage and emissions of our homes through the choices we make on our systems and components we install when we build and renovate. Secondly, we officially launched our down payment assistance program and made our first down payment contribution to our Atlanta resident Kelsey. This program provides $5,000 to qualified Tricon residents who want to purchase a home of their choice. We could not be happier for Kelsey in our new chapter as a homeowner, and we wish her all the best. And since then, I'm also pleased to report that we have had another five residents benefit from this program and another one who is currently in escrow. At Tricon, we are deeply committed to providing housing optionality for our residents, including the ability to either rent or own a home, as we aim to be part of the solution in addressing America's significant shortage of housing options. Now, I'll turn the call back over to Gary for closing remarks.

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Gary Berman

Thank you, Kevin. Before we close things off, I did want to highlight the incredible multifamily portfolio that we're quietly building in Toronto, as showcased on slide 19. The portfolio is advancing quickly, with close to 1,300 units delivering this year, and the majority of projects already under construction. Our latest project, the Taylor, is currently three months ahead of schedule, achieving 64% lease up by the end of March, with average monthly rents of $4.55 Canadian per square foot. As this portfolio is stabilized over the next few years, we estimate it will have a gross asset value close to $3.2 billion, creating a lot of strategic optionality for Tricon. Moreover, the book value per share of our stake in this portfolio is expected to double from $0.89 to $1.74 per share upon stabilization, creating meaningful value for our shareholders. To finish off on slide 20, as we look ahead to another exciting year, we want to emphasize the following messages for you. First, the value of our company is underpinned by our SFR portfolio, which continues to perform extremely well and is reflected in our book value per share that is well above our share price. Next, we believe in responsible growth. We are prudent in our capital allocation, disciplined with our cap rate criteria, and laser focused on cost containment during this period of slower growth. And finally, we have the platform, people, technology, and available capital to grow much faster when the time is right. I will now pass the call back to the operator to take questions. With Sam, Kevin, and I will also be joined by John Allen's wife, Annie Carmody, and Andrew Joyner to answer questions.

speaker
Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question is from the line of Mario Sarek with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

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Mario Sarek

Thank you. Good morning. Hi, Mario. A quick question on the guidance. It was maintained, and I may be reading too much into this, but the reiteration of the guidance seemed to be caveated with an early days reference. Does that reference pertain to the uncertainty over potential U.S. economic weakness, which you haven't seen thus far, or a possible acceleration in acquisitions, which could be a key towards you hitting the upper end of your guidance range?

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Gary Berman

Yeah, it's the latter. I mean, we don't see any weakness in our fundamentals at all. On the ground, the economy and the fundamentals for rental housing are extremely strong. They've moderated, obviously, a little bit since the pandemic, which was really an anomaly. But as we explained in our presentation, they're stronger than where we were in 2018 and 2019, which we would characterize back then as very strong. So we feel great about the fundamentals. But really, I would say to hit the upper end of the guidance on FFO for ShareMario, it really does depend on us going faster, being able to buy more homes, and obviously having the cost of capital to do that. So that's really where the early days caveat lies. But from everything we can see today, things are heading in the right direction. And as we've been clear, we feel very confident about our ability to double acquisitions in Q2. And if we can continue that, let's say 800 per quarter in a Q3 and Q4, it essentially sets us up to launch JV3 and really complete the investment program for JV2 and home builder direct over the course of the year. So we feel really good about that. The housing market's clearly stabilizing. Cost of debt for us seems to be coming in. We've talked about green shoots appearing. We see that today. So we feel really good about being able to go a little faster over the course of the year.

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Mario Sarek

Perfect. That's great. Thanks for the clarification. And just on the cost of debt, what's your sense of where it is today on five to kind of seven-year term?

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spk14

Yeah. Hi, Mariusz.

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Wojtek

When we look at securitization market, it is open but for lower LTVs. Right now, if you're looking at a 60 to 65% LTV, it ranges from 5.5 to almost 6. So that's kind of the range of the cost of debt today. And we're seeing it more closer to, like, depending on the day yesterday, had we priced yesterday a deal, it would have been around 5.56 or something like that.

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Mario Sarek

Got it. And can you remind us of where the 5.5 to 6 would have been three months ago or so? I suspect it would have been a bit higher.

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Gary Berman

Yeah, yeah, Mario, I would say probably around, I mean, easily could have been upwards of six and a half percent. So that's significant movement, right? I mean, if you look at the five-year treasury today, I think it's about three and a half percent, 3.5%. Spreads look like it's 60% LTV at about 200 basis points. So you're looking at five and a half percent. That's a big movement in three to six months. And again, you know, that reflects my earlier comments, which starts to set us up for the ability to go faster because We're buying cap rates really at high fives. If we can borrow it at five and a half, we're really in the money. We get that spread and it allows us to go faster. So now we will say, look, the debt capital markets have been incredibly volatile and they have been oscillating from week to week. But from where we sit today, we definitely see green shoes.

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Mario Sarek

Perfect. Okay. And then maybe a question for Kevin, just something about that expense, 1.2%.

speaker
Gary

revenue this quarter still targeting one percent by the by the end of the year uh what factors do you foresee driving that ratio down a bit relative to q1 and what would be expected kind of rent to income ratio be embedded within the one percent target so yeah hi mario um yeah we are still expected to get to one percent by the end of this year the difference between this quarter and quarter last year really is q1 of last year we had a lot of government rental assistance Money that came in, it was three and a half times what we got this quarter. In addition to that, we also received last year a lot of past due balances we received that quarter. And we also had a number of payment plans we were paying. So we had like a trifecta that came in last quarter of last year. That said, we're still continuing to improve. During the middle of the pandemic, we were at 2.9% bad debt to about 1.2%. were improving. Last quarter in Q4, we were 1.3. So even in Q1, like this past quarter, we had half the government rental assistance that came in that we got last quarter, and yet our bad debt improved. So we continue to see it improving. I think some of the headwinds are we still see some of the courts that are backed up a little bit right now. And then with the government rental assistance really coming to an end, that's going to you know, also keep us from, like, getting there faster. On a rent-to-income rate, I mean, we're still really at 23%. Interestingly, over the periods, you know, as rents have climbed, we still have the incomes of our residents. And we're now in the 12 months, we've been, gosh, 95,000 to 100,000 has been the average household income for our residents. So it's increased, and it's kept the rent-to-income the same, really. So our resident profile has strengthened over the FICO scores have also improved. So we see ourselves getting back down to 1% towards the end of the year. Recall prior to the pandemic, we were at 0.8% for 25 months in a row. So we hope ultimately to get there someday, but we're hoping to get to 1% by the end of the year.

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Mario Sarek

Okay. The last one for me, just on the same store expenses. Or the growth came in much lower than peers. You've identified cost containment as a key focus for you. We did also mention that the RNM benefited from a vendor rebate program, higher refunds on that. Can you quantify what the year-over-year change was for that? Maybe it was a bit more color on the drivers.

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Gary Berman

Yeah, so, I mean, if you think about the vendor rebate program, which is kind of an ongoing thing, I mean, if we were to isolate that and we would remove the impact of the vendor rebate program, the R&M would have been, savings essentially compared to last year would have been cut in half. So the way we would think about it, Mario, is instead of expenses growing 2%, again, if we remove the impact of the rebate, expenses would have grown by 4%. So that gives you, and again, that's a little bit closer to where our guidance is, and we see that kind of normalizing over the course of the year. Kevin also talked about the impact of bad debt, right? We also had a bit of an anomaly given that in the previous period, bad debt was much lower. So if we isolate that for that, our revenues would have grown close to 6%. And overall, same home NOI would have grown at 7.5%. So, again, there's a little bit of noise in those Q1 numbers, but we do think they stabilize over the course of the year, and we feel really good about where the guidance is.

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Gary

Mari, if I can add just a little bit of color, just on the vendor rebates, we have several relationships like that with a lot of our national vendors, and they come in throughout the year. This one just happened to be a little bit bigger than when it was in the past, but it's essentially, it's based on what we buy from our vendors the year prior, and they calculate what that was, and then we start getting rebates. That's a percentage of purchases, Q1, Q2.

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Mario Sarek

Okay, and then in terms of those rebates, the expected rebates for 23, what percentage of that would have been achieved in Q1 of this year?

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John

How much of that have you already recognized? Probably 50%. Yeah, this one is the biggest one that we will get. Your next question comes from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets.

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Brad Heffern

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, everybody. Continuing on the expense front, you know, I think most people are surprised at how low the figures are this quarter, but also how low they've been for several quarters now. So I'm curious, you know, how much of that do you attribute to these streamlining and cost containment initiatives and, you know, how much incremental room is there for additional savings from those programs?

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Gary

So, I mean, I'd say the great majority of what you're seeing is due to the cost containment programs. We've worked really hard to get our expenses down. I mean, this is one of the things that we can really control, right? So we have programs where both on the R&M and the turnover, we're using more internal labor than we did before. And we're finding that on a like-for-like work order, we're saving about $400 for work order when we do something in-house. We're now up to 75% of our work orders are in-house, done by in-house labor, and up to 15% of the work that's done on terms are now done by in-house labor, where last year it was zero. So we're really seeing a pickup there. We've also worked hard with our vendors. We have a price book that we use throughout the country that's consistent so that we're all using the same type of pricing. And we've been able to get savings on over 670 line items. That's going to save about $1.3 million for the year. And then in addition, we're working to just work with our vendors and improve. And then we've also been working on our scope refinement. So we have a delegation of authority that we've compressed who are looking at all scopes. in addition to just working to repair more than we replace. So we'll repair an HVAC unit more than we would replace. So we're looking to have them work out longer. Also, we'll do like touch-ups versus painting a whole wall or painting a whole house to help that. It'll still live really well. It's clean and functional. The same as we'll look at carpet replacements where before we might have replaced carpet throughout the whole downstairs, and now it just needs one or two. So the scope refinement that we've been working on, as well as the price book and integrating more people to do in-house has really brought the cost down.

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Brad Heffern

Okay, got it. Thanks for the detailed answer there. Gary, I think you mentioned JV3 in your prepared comments. I guess, is there any update on how those conversations have been going with your partners

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Gary Berman

um and is there still the potential that that could include a lower leverage target um yeah we've had very good conversations um obviously we're in touch with our partners all the time on the existing programs uh jv2 and home builder direct they're happy with how that's going um i i think they're optimistic about us launching another fund later in the year um so Very positive conversations. Our investors love the asset class. They like how we're performing. They've got capital to do more. So it's really just a question of us being able to get through the existing investment program and staying disciplined on our cap rate criteria, which is important. So that's all. I would say everything's going well. What was your second question again there, Brad?

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John

Lower leverage.

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Gary Berman

Yeah, on lower leverage. Yeah, I would say, yeah, we will likely, when we get to JV3, we will likely look at lower leverage targets. The leverage targets in HomeBuilder Direct and JV2 have been, you know, really in that 65% range. And I would expect for JV3s, we get closer to that later in the year, that leverage will probably come down about 5%. So we might be at 55, 60%. Okay, got it.

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Brad Heffern

And then last one for me, just on you know, lack of REIT status. I know in the past you talked about how sort of the subsidiaries are generating sufficient losses that you wouldn't anticipate paying taxes anytime soon. I'm curious if that's still the case and just any broader thoughts about the need to potentially convert at some point.

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Gary Berman

Yeah, I think that's still the case. You know, we're not a taxpayer. We're not a cash taxpayer in any significant level right now. So if that becomes more of a headwind, then that's a reason to convert. But we don't see that at this point in time. And we don't really think that, you know, rather being a corporate REIT is really an impediment, let's say from index inclusion. So it's not really an IR factor either. It's really about really optimizing cash flow. And at this point, you know, I think we're fine. Obviously, as a corp, we get the benefit of being able to reinvest more capital. So I think we're fine to be a corp at this point in time. The question down the road in the future is, you know, if you were to re-domicile, that's a different question, where if you did, then it might make more sense to be a re.

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John

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