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Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the TRNZIO Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. We welcome the TRNZIO management team, Frank Bozich, President and CEO, David Stacey, Executive Vice President and CFO, and Andy Myers, Director of Investor Relations. Today's conference call will include brief remarks by the management team, followed by a question and answer session. The company distributed its press release along with its presentation slides at close of market yesterday. These documents are posted on the company's investor relations website and furnished on a Form 8K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. If anyone should require operator assistance during the call, please press star then zero on your telephone. I will now hand the call over to Andy Myers.
Frank Bozich
Thank you, Tammy, and good morning, everyone. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After our brief remarks, instructions will follow to participate in the question and answer session. Our disclosure rules and cautionary notes on forward-looking statements are noted on slide two. During this presentation, we may make certain forward-looking statements, including issuing guidance and describing our future expectations. We must caution you that actual results could differ materially from what is discussed, described, or implied in these statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ include, but are not limited to, risk factors set forth in item 1A of our annual report on Form 10-K or in our other filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise its forward-looking statements. Today's presentation includes certain non-GAAP measurements. A reconciliation of these measurements to corresponding GAAP measures is provided in our earnings release and in the appendix of our investor presentation. A replay of the conference call and transcript will be archived on the company's investor relations website shortly following the conference call. The replay will be available until November 8, 2022. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Frank Bosich.
Tammy
Thanks, Andy, and welcome to Trinzio's third quarter earnings call. This morning, we'd like to cover three topics before turning to Q&A. First, I will outline our progress in the journey to transform our portfolio, and then I'll provide a deeper insight into our engineered materials segment, including some expectations for this business going forward. Dave will then cover the Q3 earnings and outlook for the remainder of the year. As you're aware, the goal of our portfolio transformation is for Trinzio to become a specialty materials and sustainable solutions provider with a focus on four end markets, building and construction, consumer goods, mobility, and medical. We expect that this will result in financial performance that demonstrates higher growth rates, lower volatility, higher margins, and higher free cash flow. An additional benefit of this journey is that Trinzeal will improve upon our already favorable environmental and energy profile. We have already made significant progress on this journey, and with the additions of the PMMA business and ArisTech Surfaces, along with the announced divestiture of synthetic rubber, in late October, we received the final regulatory approval for the completion of the sale of synthetic rubber to Cynthos. This puts us on track to complete this transaction before the end of 2021, which is at least a quarter faster than we originally anticipated. The next step in our journey to transport Transio will be the separation of our styrenics business, which will include our feedstocks and polystyrene segments, as well as our 50% stake in America's styrenics. It is our intention to launch a process to divest these assets in the first quarter of 2022. By 2025, we envision Trinzio being a company with EBITDA margin of at least 20%, free cash flow conversion above 80%, and with a robust portfolio of sustainability-focused solutions for our customers. Not only do we expect the financial metrics and strategic options for Trinzeo to be significantly improved through the transformation of our portfolio, but we also anticipate the additional advantage of reduced carbon and energy intensity of the remaining portfolio. We are convinced that the carbon and energy intensity of a company are critical factors that will drive the future regulatory impact and EHS capital spending for a business over time. To put it another way, companies with low carbon and energy intensity will be advantaged in their ability to allocate capital toward growth and shareholder value because they will be less burdened by regulations and the capital spending needed to address the inevitable energy transition. We believe that a key performance metric for companies is profitability in relation to their CO2 intensity. Businesses that have low CO2 intensity and high profit margins can fund compliance while growing and returning capital to their shareholders. Conversely, businesses with high CO2 intensity and low profit margins will face steeper capital needs to meet future regulatory requirements and efficiency programs and will have more difficulty funding those needs. Scope one, two, and three CO2 footprint reductions is a key part of Trinzio's sustainability strategy. Like the rest of the industry, we will address scope three through the careful selection of sustainability-focused partners and suppliers, as well as through recycling activities. Slide four of our investor deck shows how the portfolio transformation of Trinzio reduces scope one and two CO2 emissions of the company. while also improving the profitability. This data represents the 2018 to 2020 average. In fact, among the chemical companies shown on this chart, Trinzeal would have the second lowest CO2 intensity after excluding synthetic rubber. Plus, you can see that our engineered materials business has a very good position with relatively low Scope 1 and 2 CO2 intensity and a relatively high EBITDA margin. For this reason, we are convinced engineered materials will continue to offer very high free cash flow and growth opportunities for Turnzeo. I would also like to point out that our investor deck shows some of the other key sustainability metrics we are monitoring, such as water usage, VOC emissions, and waste intensity. Similar to carbon intensity, Transio's operations have low intensity in water usage, emissions, and waste, which is beneficial not just for the environment, but also, to my earlier point, because superior environmental performance allows for more cash to be channeled toward growth and returns to shareholders instead of toward compliance capital. We're encouraged that our positive sustainability story and efforts are being recognized by ESG raters, including MSCI, who awarded us a 2021 rating of AA, which is a very strong rating and the highest in our sector. I look forward to continuing our momentum and sustainability as a vital part of our company strategy. I would now like to spend a few minutes providing a deeper insight into our engineered materials segment. This segment is comprised of PMMA resins and sheets, thermoplastic elastomers or TPEs, and rigid compounds that serve end-use applications primarily in the mobility, building and construction, consumer goods, and medical markets. Based on the estimated Q4 2021 annualized figures, the business is generating about $210 million of adjusted EBITDA. on sales of just over $1 billion. We're very excited about the success of this business' head, growing its sustainable product offering into various end markets. In 2021, we anticipate that the percentage of post-consumer recycled containing materials sold to the consumer electronics applications will be more than 30% of the total sales volume to that market. To achieve this, The team has been able to grow these products fivefold over the past three years. We're also very excited about our ability to increase the profitability of the business by capturing market growth as well as realizing synergies. We have a robust pipeline of growth opportunities for the business as well as organic investments through 2025. In addition, about two-thirds of the cost synergies we have announced related to the recent acquisitions are expected to accrue directly to engineered materials. This will result in a business we expect to generate over $300 million in adjusted EBITDA by 2025, while producing a cash conversion of about 85 percent over the next four years. Engineered materials competitive strength is its ability to create customer capabilities across our target markets in three ways. which we describe as innovation pillars. These pillars are process innovation, sustainable solutions, and material substitution. Here are some examples of the product offerings which result in higher value creating customer capabilities. Our PC eMERGE compounds with 30 percent post-consumer recycled material content allows consumer electronics customers to provide a circular consumer offering. Our Enduro continuous cast PMMA laminated with ABS provides high performance, durability, and UV resistance for recreational vehicle and marine markets. Our PMMA solar coat cap stock resin over styrenic or vinyl substrates in building and construction replaces more costly, higher maintenance materials with a lower cost of ownership option to the end consumer. Ultimately, these and other value-added capabilities that we provide to our customers allow for higher growth rates and margins. Because our ability to value price them is not dependent on cost structure and commodity cycles, the segment results are expected to be much less volatile in comparison to our other segments. Also, the growth rate of this business can be higher than the underlying market growth because we can replace other materials through the capabilities we offer. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Dave, who will walk you through our Q3 performance and full year outlook.
Andy
Thanks, Frank. During the third quarter, we delivered solid financial performance despite the energy and supply chain issues that by now you are all familiar with. Demand for our products has been very strong and we've seen very good margins due to tight supply and commercial excellence initiatives we've been implementing over the last two years. These results were made possible by our employees whose dedication and problem solving allowed us to mitigate the negative impact from a challenging industry environment. Frank and I are grateful for their hard work, and they continue to be one of our greatest strengths as a company. During the third quarter, we generated cash from operations of $208 million, which combined with $36 million of capital spending led to free cash flow of $173 million. The strong quarter of cash generation can be attributed to solid earnings as well as a small working capital release of about $30 million. Looking to the fourth quarter, we expect sequentially similar earnings. Higher styrene margins, a full quarter of AMSDAI production, and commercial actions are expected to offset increasing headwinds from chip shortages, China energy rationing, and higher utility costs. It's important to note that we view these headwinds as transitory and not reflective of underlying market demand, which we view as robust in all segments and geographies. We expect to end the year with record earnings, with full-year net income from continuing operations of $336 to $376 million, and we are reaffirming our prior full-year adjusted EBITDA guidance of $750 to $800 million. We expect full-year cash from operations between $420 and $445 million, and free cash flow of $300 to $325 million. The anticipated strong cash generation is particularly notable given an assumed $200 million use of working capital caused by feedstock price increases over the course of the year. Putting together our earnings and cash guidance, we expect to finish the year with a net leverage ratio in the low twos pro forma for the acquired PMMA and ARIS tech services businesses, which puts us more than one year ahead of the deleveraging schedule that we laid out in December of last year when we announced the PMMA acquisition. The takeaway is that we closed out 2021 in excellent financial position to continue funding our transformation strategy and returning capital to shareholders. I'll now turn the call back over to Frank.
Tammy
Thanks, Dave. In closing, I'd like to leave you with a few summary points on our recent performance and portfolio transformation. With the planned separation of our Styrenix assets, which we expect will begin in 2022, We will have transformed our portfolio to what should result in a much less cyclical, higher margin, and a higher free cash flow business. The portfolio should also have an even more advantaged carbon and energy footprint and be better positioned to continue growing and returning value to shareholders through the anticipated energy transition in the chemical industry. We believe Trinzio represents an excellent value to investors with a robust pipeline of profit improvement opportunities, free cash flow conversion of approximately 80%, and a net debt in the low two times range. Thanks, and we're happy to open the line for questions.
Operator
Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Frank Mish with Fermium Research.
Frank Mish
Hey, good morning. Good morning, everyone. Frank, you know, the news on the potential sale of Styronix, I just want to dig into that a little bit. I assume you've had some conversations with the investment bankers on this and What are you hearing with respect to the M&A environment for commodities and the interest that this property may be able to generate from either strategics or private equity? Any more color on the market would be great.
Tammy
Yeah, thanks, Frank. We think that we'll have a very good process. We think that there's really three categories of buyers who will have interest. Obviously, there's strategics. who are in the same value chain that we anticipate will be interested. We also think there's regional players who will want exposure to North America and European styrenics markets. And then lastly, we believe that there's a good number of financial sponsors who are looking for to do a roll-up, if you will, and to aggregate assets that offer a high cash-on-cash return. So we expect to have a good process, a robust number of participants in those categories.
Frank Mish
Gotcha, gotcha. And then just a quick question on the guide for the fourth quarter. You call out higher styrene margins here in the fourth quarter, and we just saw a very significant increase in Europe for the month of November. I think it was up 232 euro per ton. What's the scope here for potential upside in terms of the margins on styrene and polystyrene impacting your fourth quarter? How do you think about it? What's baked in? Yeah.
Tammy
Yeah, it's a great question. And I would say, look, there's a mixed bag of factors that are impacting the business going forward. If you think about it, energy price quarter over quarter is going to be up $30 million approximately. And the chip shortage should give us about $10 to $15 million of headwind across the portfolio. Now, offsetting that, we're going to see the traction in the pricing actions we've taken in engineered materials as well as base plastics. And then, as you point out, the uplift in some of the styrene margins. So, you know, that's – those are the pluses in my – the gives and goes that are going to lead to, you know, how we've guided for the Q4 and full year. Got you. Very helpful. Thanks. Sure.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Lawrence Alexander with Jefferies.
Lawrence Alexander
Good morning. Can you – Give us a sense of your thoughts about what the new Trinzeo balance sheet should look like or how you'll be thinking about cap allocation or future bolt-on M&A or willingness to do further large M&As, just to give a sense for what happens once the divestiture is out of the way.
Tammy
Thanks, Lawrence. You know, look, I think our priority clearly in the near term is to get through the integration and realize the synergies and execute against the growth programs that we've identified from what we've already bought, and also complete the separation of styrenics. Now, going forward, you know, frankly, we'd see a balanced approach to looking at future M&A, and frankly, we want to continue the portfolio transformation. But as long as we trade at a 15% plus free cash flow yield, we believe that our own shares represent a compelling investment opportunity that will have to be part of our calculus in how we think about capital allocation. So that's how we would think about it at this point. And, you know, so again, balance, looking at additional investments in sustainability and growth opportunities, both organic and inorganic, along with, you know, our own shares as long as we trade where we do before re-rating upward.
Lawrence Alexander
And given the discussion both in the you know, sort of prepared remarks, but also kind of you have sort of in your appendix slides around sort of the environmental footprint of the portfolio. What is the kind of degree of demand pull that you're seeing or signaling that you're seeing from your customers that is either translating into better returns or more order stability or like what's the kind of real world kind of flow through of these metrics? Or are you seeing this more as a kind of regulatory or disclosure issue rather than a customer issue?
Tammy
Thanks. No, it's a great question. And actually, it's a change that we've seen during the course of 21 that's marked. And what's happening is the discussions that we've had prior to this year with our customers, and I I would say this broad base, but in particular in consumer products as well as automotive, has been really driven by, it's been a value-based discussion and, you know, something, a more technical discussion. The two topics that have really emerged during the course of 2021 and are now really significant factors with those clients are security of supply and supply chain integrity. as well as the sustainability of your offering. And what we're being told is they're being pressured significantly to reduce the carbon footprint of their product, and they're translating this into their vendor selection and material selection criteria. So it's a very important customer-related factor, and it's growing in importance, I would argue.
Lawrence Alexander
Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global Advisors.
Hassan Ahmed
Morning, Frank and Dave. You know, a bit of a philosophical question about, you know, the portfolio transformation strategy and the like. I mean, obviously I understand, you know, the transformation and the philosophy behind that. I mean, you're obviously creating a less volatile sort of earnings profile. You're improving the margin profile while obviously enhancing the free cash flow conversion. But obviously inherent in all of that is that you get a multiple re-rating, right? And I mean, if one looks at the last couple of years, you know, the multiple compression within the chemical space has been quite extreme. And I understand the fact that everyone seems to be sort of painting the entire sector with one broad brush and not delineating between, call it the margin stability side of it, you know, commodities from specialties, and even the carbon footprint that you talked about. So, you know, long-winded way of asking you, you know, you carry out this sort of portfolio transformation, you know, you're a year out, you're two years out, and you're still not getting the multiple that you desire. how would you think about things in that environment? I mean, would you sort of, a couple of years out, consider a sale? Would you just buy back the company and say, look, maybe there's no place, you know, in the public domain for a company despite all of these efforts?
Tammy
Yeah, no, thanks for the question. And, you know, I think the answer is really simple, and it's twofold. One, we asked ourselves several years ago, where do is a company like Trinzio best able to compete and grow in the future? Is it in a specialty business or is it in a more of a cyclical commodity business? And it's very clear to us that we are much a company Trinzio size, a mid cap or small cap company is much better able to grow and return value to shareholders as a specialty company than we are in a global commodity market when you don't have access to the cracker or advantage feedstocks. So that's number one. As we go forward with that transformation, one of the key outcomes is we're going to generate significant free cash flow. This is one of the things we're most excited about. about this portfolio. So the growth opportunities that we'll have relative to organic and inorganic opportunities are going to be significant. And then the other thing is if we're in an environment where that free cash flow is not or that free cash flow yield isn't re-rated up, Trincio's own shares represent a compelling investment opportunity that we'll have to figure in the mix of our capital allocation. We'll have to consider. So, again, we think that our strategic options are vastly improved with the transformation we've made going forward.
Hassan Ahmed
All makes a lot of sense, Frank. All makes a lot of sense. And as a follow-up, again, in light of – You know, my question, the answer that you gave and the like, again, wanted to revisit the whole sort of capital allocation side of it, you know, in the near to medium term, right? You know, one, two, three years out. You know, what is the right way of thinking about buybacks? And I know that probably is a moving target, but, you know, how do you sort of, you know, bookend that moving target with regards to buybacks?
Tammy
Yeah, I think... Look, I think it's exactly what I said before. As long as we look at external opportunities and organic investments, you know, we'll have to weigh that against the opportunity to buy our own shares. And when we do that calculus, if on a synergy-adjusted basis and strategically our own shares represent a compelling opportunity, we'll have to consider that. You know, I can't give you a definitive answer other than, you know, we think Transco represents a really compelling investment opportunity, not only for the market but for ourselves with the free cash flow we'll be generating. Very helpful, Frank. Thanks so much. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank.
David Begleiter
Good morning, Frank and Dave. Frank, was there any thought to keeping polystyrene as it does have some performance attributes similar to engineering materials?
Tammy
David, I think the simple answer is we did evaluate a number of options and what we would retain. And frankly, we see that that activity or polystyrene fits with the styrene monomers and gives the opportunity to divest it some critical mass. And then I would say that the market overlap with the rest of the portfolio provides less market traction and market synergy than the portfolio that we're building in engineered materials-based plastics and then also with latex. You know, at the end of the day, we looked at various options and we came out in favor of it had to be included. The other thing I would point out is we would expect that the recycled polystyrene should be included also and are in what would be divested with polystyrene because at the end of the day, the biggest source of feed for that recycling activity is going to be single-use plastics or plastic packaging that contains polystyrene. So we see those as being included in that scope.
David Begleiter
Understood. Just on the M&A question, there are at least two large assets to sell right now in this engineering materials space. Given the scarcity of these assets, I know the timing may not match up perfectly with what you're trying to accomplish, but given the scarcity of these assets, and the premium investors pay for growth versus share of buybacks. Why not be a little more aggressive perhaps right now, given again the uniqueness of these assets for sale?
Tammy
Yeah, David, like I said before, we've done a lot this year. We have a lot to do with the separation of the Styrenix assets as well as completing the integration of what we've already acquired, and that's going to be our near-term priority. Got it. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Duffy Fisher with Barclays.
Duffy Fisher
Yeah, good morning. Just on the upcoming separation, styrene, polystyrene, I guess the first question is how clean is that going to be for you guys plant site-wise, you know, intercompany supply-wise, stranded cost, you know, that type of stuff?
Andy
Yeah, Duffy, hi. It's Dave. Well, I think there's two pieces. I mean, the America Styrenix piece obviously is quite clean. That's a joint, you know, separate company. It's a joint venture. Now, you know, within Trinzio, I mean, look, there will be a carve-out. I mean, we will have, you know, I would expect our downstream businesses to have supply agreements with the carve-out businesses as it relates to styrene. And You know, some of the sites, not all of the sites are, you know, kind of co-located with other businesses, you know, with other Trinzio businesses. So there is a fair amount of separation work to do. We've already started that. I think that's the good news. That's why we're kicking off a process in the first quarter. We started working on the, you know, not only carve out financials, but also the, you know, carving out of the, you know, operations, supply agreements, and all those sorts of things. So it is a fair amount of work that does have some lead time, but I think it's a manageable process that will allow us to kick things off in the first quarter.
Duffy Fisher
Okay. And then roughly how many employees would you expect to go with that carve-out? And then do you have an early view of how much stranded cost will be left that you'll have to work down over time?
Tammy
Yeah, we're working through those. In terms of the specific FTEs or the employees, I can't give you a number right now. And also, the stranded costs, that's something we're working on to understand what that would be. Okay.
Duffy Fisher
All right. Thank you, guys.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Petrie with Citi.
Eric Petrie
Hey, good morning, Frank. Good morning, Eric.
Frank
On the PMMA footprint investment in Asia, how much would a plant cost, and is margins in line with that 25% target that you put out for 2025? So we're in the process of doing
Tammy
some preliminary engineering and site selection work. We have seen an estimate, preliminary estimates, that would put the greenfield investment at somewhere around $40 million. Now, if we're able to put the investment on a site where we have some infrastructure, it could affect that. But that's order of magnitude what we're thinking. And yes, for us, the investment in Asia Pacific, for the scale that we're thinking, and let me remind you, its focus will be on formulated PMMA resin that goes into more of the specialty applications that serves our global customers. So think global OEMs and being able to supply them in all regions with the same specification materials, you know, we think that we'll achieve that margin.
Frank
Helpful. And then secondly, just on the engineered materials business, from a recyclability point of view, of that 30% sales volume, is most of that in PMMA, or could you take a step back for us in terms of how you see that going forward in terms of the buckets between PMMA, rigid, compounds, and TPE?
Tammy
Yeah, so the 30% that I referenced is specific mainly to PCABS compounds that goes into consumer electronics. And that's where our group has had some traction over the last several years building that offering. Now, I would expect that we would see similar growth traction on the circular PMMA offering as we You know, we have more time under our belt as the owner of the asset going forward, and we're seeing a similar interest from the customer base in those end markets too. Thank you.
Operator
Again, to ask an audio question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Angel Castillo with Morgan Stanley.
Angel Castillo
Hi, thanks for taking my question, and good morning. Just wanted to get a little bit more color on the engineering materials business. If you could give us a little bit more color as to what, I guess, what pressure that in the third quarter and the implied guidance for the fourth quarter, you know, based on the kind of 210 million EBITDA that you gave. Could you kind of bridge similar to what you gave in terms of the puts and takes for the full company? What kind of the puts and takes that get you from kind of the third quarter EBITDA to that implied kind of low 50s? a million EBITDA for the fourth quarter?
Andy
Good morning, Angel. This is Dave. I can address that. I think probably for starters, given the automotive exposure that we do have in the PMMA business, I'd expect the third quarter to always be the lowest level of EBITDA, and that's just due to automotive production seasonality. So not only for this year, but going forward, I would always expect that, seasonally speaking. Now, auto demand was incrementally lower than what we would expect just due to seasonality, you know, due to the supply challenges that I think everybody's aware of at the OEMs. Now, compounding this in the third quarter, we had an extremely rapid pace of feedstock increases, specifically MMA increases in the third quarter, and our price increases just weren't able to keep up with that. So transitioning to Q4, you're right, we do expect EBITDA to be about $20 million higher for engineering materials, and that's really attributable to three things. The first is pricing actions that we've taken that have gone into place on October 1st. The second is we're seeing higher MMA margins on the merchant volume that we do have on our MMA production in Europe. And then the third thing is we do have an incremental two months results of ArisTech So we're reporting a full quarter of heuristic results in the fourth quarter, whereas we only had one quarter in Q3, or one month, excuse me, in the third quarter. Okay.
Angel Castillo
Got it. That's helpful. And then in terms of the capex that was reduced for the year, what was, I guess, the driver for that, and how should we think about it for 2022 and beyond? It sounds like some of that maybe investment in a plant in Asia might be part of that, but as we think about timing of that?
Andy
Yeah, I think, look, most of the CapEx, so we lowered our CapEx from 150 to 120. I would say 20 to 25 million of that is purely going to be rollover. So, you know, our other vendors are having supply chain issues as well. So getting things that we've ordered is taking longer, you know, really across the board. So, I would expect that, you know, that spend to still occur, but it will just roll over into next year, into 2022. Yeah, Angel, the other thing, I think I mentioned this in the last call, 2022 will be the peak year of spending as it relates to our SAP implementation. So, I think clearly, you know, we do see 22 as being a higher year for capital than 2021.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
Eric Petrie
Thank you.
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