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spk01: Good morning. My name is Brianna and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Unify's fourth quarter fiscal 2022 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press the star one. I will now turn the call over to your host, A.J. Ecker, Vice President of Finance. You may begin your call.
spk07: Thank you, Brianna, and good morning, everyone. On the call today is Al Carey, Executive Chairman, Eddie Engel, Chief Executive Officer, and Craig Creatore, Chief Financial Officer. During this call, management will be referencing a webcast presentation that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website, Unify.com. Please turn to page two of the slide deck for our cautionary statements. Management advises you that certain statements included in today's call will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Management cautions that these statements are based on current expectations, estimates, and or projections about the markets in which Unify operates. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve certain risks that are difficult to predict. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed, forecasted, or implied by these statements. You are directed to the disclosures filed with the FCC on Unify's forms 10Q and 10K regarding various factors that may impact these results. Also, please be advised that certain non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, adjusted working capital, and net debt may be discussed on this call. Lastly, I direct your attention to slide three and remind our audience that we changed our segment reporting to align with recent organizational changes. In the fourth quarter of fiscal 22, Unify performed its annual segment evaluation and determined that three geographic segments best represent the composition of the business and the management approach under U.S. generally accepted accounting principles. Accordingly, Unifi is now reporting the Americas, Brazil, and Asia segments. You may find quarterly and annual historical financial information using the updated segment methodology on slides 11 and 12. I'll now turn the call over to Al Carey.
spk02: Well, thank you, A.J., and thanks to everybody who's joining the call this morning. I'm going to take just a couple of minutes to tell you how we're viewing our business at the start of our new fiscal year, and then I'll turn it over to Eddie and Craig. They're going to take you through the details of our performance for quarter four and how the full fiscal year of 2022 ended. So we'll start with the quarter, quarter four. We had very good revenue growth for the fourth quarter. We achieved $218 million in revenue, which is a little better than what we expected. That's 18% growth above a year ago. But that's despite Asia being down by 17% due to the COVID lockdowns that took most of the quarter. That means the rest of our business was up 30%. The quarter four performance allowed us to push the total fiscal year sales above $800 million. And that's the best sales performance this company has had in many, many years. And Craig will talk about that a little bit later on. Quarter four performance had two highlights. One is reprieve continues to be a success with our customers and also our ability to cover cost increases with pricing. So that's the top line. On the bottom line, we had EBITDA of $12.2 million for Q4, which is right in line with what we were talking about in our forecast. We would have liked it to have been better. But we were required to cover the downsides that came at us in the quarter, which was the China COVID lockdown, which was no small thing. And then the spike from raw material pricing that happened in the middle of June, which didn't give us much time to react. So essentially, we had a very strong revenue growth, top line, and a respectable bottom line. And if you took those two surprises that we had that were beyond our control, if you took those out of the profit picture, we actually would have had a very strong profit performance. So let me move to quarter one. All of us have heard comments from the retail community about the high levels of inventory that are out there and have built up. So we surveyed some of our customers. We had about 15 of them. We covered mills, brands, and also retailers. And there are a couple of common threads that we heard from those people. One quote kind of captures it all. customer of ours said, six weeks ago I was asking you to ship me whatever you could get. Now I've got too much inventory and I have to move it. And that's kind of the theme that went through all of the 15 that we spoke to. They've seen some slowdown in apparel sales as their consumers are dealing with inflation on gasoline and food and other what we call necessities. And this little bit of a downturn started in about Memorial Day and it's unclear how much the decline will be seen in apparel volume or how long it will last. We have seen a decline in volume in North America as a result of this dilemma that's going on. It'll make it difficult to give a precise forecast on volume for the first quarter or the second quarter because I think the retailers and customers don't have a good forecast. There's still a lot of uncertainty but we definitely see it in the first quarter, and probably we'll be updating our guidance more frequently as a result of this marketplace issue that's going on. One other moving development, fast-moving development, is with all of this going on, we're seeing very definitely cost reductions on our raw materials that began in August. Now, this could be good news, and it could offer an opportunity to recover some lost profits from this lower volume, and we have a number of initiatives that we're working on to capitalize on the opportunity, and Eddie will provide you with some perspective on this when we speak about this later in the presentation and in the Q&A. Let me just make one comment on the longer term. While our team is focused on getting beyond this long tail of COVID that causes a few challenges, the top focus we've got in this company is to be focusing on the execution of the strategy we presented at the February investor day. That is the most important thing. And the short-term issues I described a minute ago are not going to slow down our delivery of our goals in 2025. In fact, I think we're making very good progress on some of the key initiatives that make up that strategy. First of all, reprieve momentum continues with our customers. You'll see a lower mix because of China in the quarter, but we are in a very good spot with reprieve. EVO cooler technology is now getting some scale, and I think you'll be able to, it's performing better, above our expectations, and I think in the second half of the year, productivity will show up as a result of that new technology. And we've made improvements in labor. We've spent the money to do it. We're not done yet, but I'm encouraged with the progress we're making on labor. Also, Brazil and Asia's future outlook remains bright, and then we've got this raw material cost decrease that's coming at us. Those are some of the positives. We're optimistic about the future. I don't see the short-term challenges having an effect on the long-term view. This long tail of the pandemic certainly has caused some challenges, but they're very definitely going to diminish as the year goes on. So with that, let me turn it to Craig and Eddie to take you through more of the details, and right now I'll turn it over to Eddie.
spk04: Thanks, Al, and good morning, everyone. Our fourth quarter performance was consistent as out of our expectations and we are pleased with the results we delivered despite the lasting presence of a volatile and challenging operating environment. So looking back on our fiscal year, I'm very proud of everyone on the Unified team for what we've accomplished and the obstacles that we've overcome and I want to thank them for their hard work and perseverance this year. There has been no shortage of adversity or new challenges to conquer. in the last year, and I can say with confidence that UniFi is a stronger company today because of our people. So moving directly to the presentation on slide four, let's discuss at a high level our overall performance during the period. In the quarter we recorded $218 million in net sales, which was up 18% compared to Q4 of last year. This brings our total net sales for fiscal 2022 to $816 million, an increase of 22% from a year ago. In the quarter, the U.S. inflationary pressures we experienced throughout the fiscal year, specifically with raw materials, they persisted and they will impact us as we enter into fiscal 2023. In the U.S. and South America, we witnessed unprecedented short-term cost increases in virgin polyester raw materials in the month of June to the tune of roughly 20% above March levels. Now, when there are such significant input cost changes, There is, as we've discussed in the past, a normal lag until we catch up with customer pricing. And this negatively impacted our results during the month of June 2022 and will affect us in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. In addition, we saw U.S. Bale bottle prices in April and May reach historic levels. And as a reminder, the price we pay for Bale bottles and the yield associated with the recycling process are the most important cost inputs to our products. We have implemented further price adjustments in July and August to mitigate the impact of these cost pressures on our margin profile and are seeing some relief in raw materials, as Al mentioned, and an opportunity to return to more normal margin levels in the U.S. in the December 2022 quarter. Turning to slide five to discuss reprieve, we continue to see positive momentum for new products, customer adoptions, and co-branding. In fact, 24 million reprieve hang tags were sent out to our customer brands during the fourth quarter alone. As can be expected, revenue from reprieve products were negatively impacted by the China lockdowns in the fourth quarter, and this was significant given the fact that over 80% of the sales from our Asia segment are reprieved, the highest percentage of any of our segments. For fiscal 2022, reprieve fiber accounted for 36% of our sales. On the marketing front, in May we celebrated the fifth annual Champions of Sustainability Awards, which recognize our brand, textile, and retail partners that have demonstrated a true commitment to supporting a more sustainable world. Awards were presented to 39 brand and retail partners that have transformed 10 million or more recycled plastic bottles, and 53 textile partners that have transformed 50 million or more recycled plastic bottles through the use of reprieve performance fibers. Additionally, Nike and Target both reached a major milestone this year, each having transformed more than 2 billion recycled plastic bottles, while Polartec, Walmart, and Texthung Textile Group have transformed more than 1 billion bottles. Next, our mobile tour efforts focused on key retailers with visits of both Abercrombie & Fitch and Walmart. Our two-day activation at Walmart's headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas took place during their annual open call event in June during which we presented the Billion Bottle Award to Walmart Senior Vice President over General Merchandise Apparel. Building on the success of Apree's Pac-12 partnership, we have signed a three-year partnership with Bowl Season, an entity that advocates for the 44 bowl games that serve as the post-season for college football. We will be a founding sustainability partner and expect positive brand exposure, giving their prominence at calendar and university sporting events. We kicked off the partnership at their annual conference in April, where we hosted a panel around circularity. And among other things, this comprehensive partnership includes a working group consisting of executive directors from six bowl games to promote sustainability initiatives, reprieve mobile tour activation at a bowl game of our choice from the working group to include public service announcements and venue signage, and a bowl-bound social media campaign including bowl-bound reprieve shirts given to each bowl-bound university. So more to come on that initiative once we get past our first bold season, which is in the middle of our fiscal year, 2023. We also continue to focus on strengthening brand partnerships across our digital and social media channels. During the quarter, we executed social media partnerships with Beyond Yoga, Choka, Igloo, Love Sack, Manduka, Sanuk Speedo, The Sack, and Volcom. We will continue to support our brand partners that enable us to amplify the reprieve story. So turning back now to a review of the consolidated business. Before Craig goes into more details on our financials, our adjusted EBITDA for the fiscal year was $55 million. This was within the range of our forecast from April, but it was obviously impacted by the macroeconomic factors we've discussed earlier. As inflationary conditions ease and our pricing catches up with raw materials, we do expect to be able to expand our overall margins. And until that time, our team will continue to proactively align our pricing with market conditions. To sum it up, you can see our growing brand and customer momentum and our global approach. It's clearly helping us drive and sustain business momentum. We believe we are well-positioned to drive long-term value. With that, I will now pass the call over to our CFO, Craig.
spk03: Thank you, Eddie, and good morning, everyone. The quarter we just completed was consistent with our expectations and was a good ending to a fiscal year that had its share of challenges. Our regional footprint combined with our focus on sustainable products has helped us manage through the external factors that Al and Eddie described. Demand for our products remains strong, and our management team remains focused on our long-term goals. Looking at the quarter from a high level, we maintained underlying business momentum as we implemented responsive selling price adjustments and made positive step changes against our recent global challenges. Before we discuss the segment results, I would like to expand on the effective tax rate and EPS. As Eddie mentioned, the pressure on our U.S. operations distorted our worldwide effective tax rate, as the foreign locations we operate in, specifically Brazil and China, are not low tax jurisdictions. However, recent developments from the Brazil Supreme Court cleared the path for us to recapture some excess income taxes paid in prior years. You'll recall that we benefited from a Brazil Supreme Court decision regarding certain non-income taxes in the year-ago period, but the most recent developments relate to income taxes paid in Brazil. Accordingly, the prior period non-income tax changes were reflected as an adjustment to EBITDA and EPS, while these income tax benefits from the current quarter are reflected as an adjustment to EPS. Let's turn to slide six of the webcast presentation. Here we will begin a review of our reportable segment performance. Business developments and our management approach in fiscal 2022 transitioned Unifi to a purely geographic segmentation in which we are focused on recycled and synthetic textile products following our regional models in the Americas, Brazil, and Asia. In the Americas, we continue to benefit from the legacy businesses that we previously referred to as polyester and nylon, and both will continue to be valuable to Unify as we service the diverse needs of our customers. For the Americas segment, a 28.7% increase in revenues demonstrates the robust pricing efforts we have highlighted throughout the fiscal year. In Brazil, the just completed quarter demonstrates a normalized level of strong revenue performance exceeding the prior year by nearly 50%. We are proud of what our Brazil team continues to accomplish and note that much of this volume improvement stems from the pandemic lockdowns that occurred in the region during the prior year quarter. In Asia, sales volumes were challenged by the previously communicated and ongoing pandemic lockdowns in China. However, the continued interest in sustainable yarns and our ability to support the local customer demand allow for robust underlying revenue performance given those circumstances. Turning to slide seven for the quarterly gross profit overview, the Americas segments expected decline in gross profit and weaker gross margin percentage were attributed to the input cost headwinds that were mentioned during our last conference call. In addition, because the most recent inflationary impact to our input costs occurred late in the just completed quarter, we were not able to make proportionate pricing adjustments to our customers. In spite of these challenges, it should be noted that on a sequential quarter basis, gross profit and gross margin as a percentage of sales for the America segment improved nicely by $2.9 million and 150 basis points, respectively. In Brazil, the gross profit and margin rate included some expected normalization. In addition to temporarily unfavorable cost and pricing dynamics, in the region. In Q1 fiscal 2023, we expect Brazil's gross margin to surpass the percentage they achieved during the most recent quarter as the short-term headwinds start to alleviate. The Asia segment maintained a strong gross margin profile with a high proportion of reprieve products, albeit at a lower sales level due to the pandemic-related lockdowns. Without the lockdowns, the Asia segment would have continued their strong performance of revenue growth. In spite of the results for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2022 being lower than expected, the Asia segment exceeded $200 million in annual revenue for the first time in their history, an increase of 12%. Moving on to slide eight, which provides an update on our balance sheet and capital allocation priorities. We ended the fourth quarter with $41.3 million borrowed against our ABL revolver, which had an availability of $51 million as of July 3rd, 2022. Under our balanced approach to capital allocation, we expect to continue to invest in the business to drive innovation and organic growth, maintain a strong balance sheet, and remain opportunistic with share repurchases and or M&A prospects. As noted on this slide and as we have described in recent press releases, we spent $9.2 million during fiscal 2022 to repurchase 616,500 shares under the previously announced share repurchase program, with over 500,000 shares repurchased in the just completed quarter. Following that activity, $38.9 million remains available for repurchases under the current program. I will now pass the call back to Eddie to take us through the last slides of the presentation and make some final comments.
spk04: Thank you, Craig. And before we turn the call over to our Q&A session, let's turn to slide 9 of the presentation to discuss our outlook and expectations for fiscal 2023. As we alluded to throughout the call, we are very pleased with our revenue performance in the year, and more importantly this quarter, as it showed our resiliency against market downturns and also the recognition Reprieve has been getting. Even with Reprieve volumes and revenues growing globally and the continued global focus on sustainability, we have some significant inflationary and macroeconomic headwinds to overcome in fiscal 2023, which we believe we are ready to address. That being said, we expect fiscal year 2023 to be more of a gradual ramp each quarter compared to our historical norms until we put some of these challenges behind us. Nevertheless, we remain confident in our ability to achieve the fiscal 2025 goals we laid out in our recent investor day back in February and have issued our guidance for fiscal 2023. In fiscal 2023, we expect net sales to reach $855 to $885 million, representing an increase of 5% or more from fiscal 2022's revenues. We also expect to achieve adjusted EBITDA between $48 and $57 million, with the second half reflecting more normal business metrics in terms of gross margins and raw material inputs. Our CapEx outlook should fall in the range of $35 million to $40 million. Our sales and profitability expectations include some softness in America's demand over the first half of fiscal 2023 with a stronger performance expected when we enter the next calendar year, which will be our second half of our fiscal 2023. This forecasted softness is caused by the pullback in demand mentioned earlier by Al by the large brands and retailers as a result of publicly declared excess inventories some of which are in their apparel segments. The demand in Brazil is expected to remain strong throughout the remainder of calendar 2022, while Asia will continue to grapple with the effects of the headwind of the lockdowns during the rest of this calendar 2022. Slide 10 closes out our presentation and reviews the big picture goals we gave in our investor day several months ago. We remain confident in our ability to hit our targets and are well placed on a path to achieve over 1.1 billion in revenue by 2025. Reprieve is expected to comprise half of our sales mix and will ultimately enhance our margins and profitability profile. We will maintain our strong balance sheet to act opportunistically on growth initiatives as we remain well positioned and focused on being the sustainability partner of choice to brands and retailers across the globe. We will now open the line up for questions. Thank you.
spk01: At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, you must press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Your line is now open.
spk08: Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe start with the guidance. Top line, just talk about the implied price and volume expectations embedded in the mid-single-digit revenue growth guide for fiscal 23. And on the margin front, can you give us a sense of your expectations of gross margin by segment embedded in the guidance? If not, to the exact basis point, then just at least directionally how we should think about each of the three segments in terms of margin performance and cadence. And I've got a follow-up or two. Thank you.
spk04: Thanks, Dan. I'll take the first question around revenue and volumes. You know, as we talked throughout the call, we have had challenges in our Asia segments, and that supply chain is still coming out of the COVID lockdowns that they had in April and May and June. We're seeing some improvement, but we know that it's going to take a while for the business to pick up from a volume perspective and revenue perspective. Particularly in China, we do have a fair amount of our business outside of China, and that is still returning to that normal levels. In the U.S., the slowdown that we are experiencing today in both volumes and revenues is around the inventory pullback by the retailers and brands. We do have good expectations on revenues because our pricing has, as we mentioned, gone up in our July month and in our August month that we just started, but volumes will be under pressure. In Brazil, volumes and revenues are at expectations, and we don't see right now any issues at all in that space. I think I'll turn it over to Craig to talk about that margin question because I think it's particularly interesting as it relates to Brazil.
spk03: Sure. So, Dan, I'll just add on to the revenue comments for if you look on our segment as we have laid out our segments. Projections for FY23, definitely America's will have its toughest period in the early part of the year, especially this first quarter. And as we noted in the call, we saw quite a sudden increase in costs at the very tail end of our June quarter. And we're now seeing the exact opposite of that, which is a sudden reversal of a lot of those input costs. And so we will be taking some hits, writing down inventory, doing those types of things during that first quarter, and probably maybe even into the second quarter. And that will also parallel with where the demand will be softest. But after that, we do feel like we will get back to more normalized levels of profitability for the Americas. For Brazil, as Eddie said, we do feel like they had a good conclusion to the end of the fiscal year as far as from a revenue perspective, and that's continuing here as we start this year. So we expect them to be pretty steady and get out of the gate very well here in the beginning of FY23. And then for Asia, Our current forecast is very consistent with what we noted back in April, and that is that the COVID lockdown will probably impact the Asia operations in the first half of our fiscal year 23, so through the end of this calendar year. But after that, we expect that to mediate and continue to grow. Now, one thing to note is the Asia impact is really just impacting the sales impact, the margin impact, the margin profile of the businesses remain very positive, very consistent with the historical levels. even in spite of the lower sales that we're seeing because of the COVID lockdown.
spk08: That's very helpful. And maybe just talk directionally, it's still early obviously, but on the rate of change on input pricing. As virgin input costs tied to oil prices, should they continue to come back down You talk about your ability to hold the line on pricing and if we could see potentially maybe a bigger margin benefit in H2 than what's embedded in the guide, and just talk about bale bottles that sort of supply dynamic more generally. That'd be great.
spk04: Yeah. So on the virgin side, what happened in June was, as someone quoted, someone from the Petrochemical Injury said was historic. levels of pricing for one of the major inputs into polyester paraxylene and it was unseen and it it was a very rapid spike just in that one month of june we are seeing a reduction in the pricing and we have raised uh of the cost of those inputs and we have raised our pricing in july and august just to catch up with what we saw in june um we do we do see the ability to expand uh the margins get back to normal margins in our Q2 and beyond, but as Craig had mentioned, we have this inventory that we'll have to work through, but we are going to be very focused on managing our price points as we move through this. On the Bale Bottle side, again in April and May, Bale Bottles reached very high levels. They have since returned back to more normal levels, and we are being opportunistic in buying some bottles at the lower price. But again, we do have the inventories that we have to work through. And so if we get to Q2, our margins should be improved significantly over Q1. All that higher price inventory will be pushed through. And again, any of our pre-products we sell, we are going to be managing our price points very carefully in the U.S. specifically. In Brazil, what you saw in Q4 So what we're seeing here in the US from a margin perspective, we are back to sort of more normal margins in Brazil as the lower priced raw materials for them is being used in the system.
spk08: Makes sense. Does that help? No, it does. And then you've touched on the tax rate, but the guide implied is on a different level than what we've seen. just kind of maybe a little bit more commentary or color on what's driving a 55% to 65% tax rate and just trying to understand it and what is your effective tax rate in Asia, Brazil? I realize there's a mix involved, but that's still above what I would have expected.
spk03: Yeah, it does come down, Dan, to what we're now projecting to be more of the profitability for FY23 coming from Asia and from Brazil. Asia, headline tax, there's 25%. In Brazil, closer to 35%. But unfortunately, we're not able to use some of the tax attributes in the U.S. because of our lower profitability. So really, it's a reflection of what we're expecting as we were just kind of helping to kind of frame the conversation more so in the first half of the year. We do expect that America's profitability to be lower, and that is going to impact our overall effective tax rate to the negative side. That's why the rate is being pushed up.
spk08: Okay. We've got a follow-up or two, but I'll jump back in queue.
spk05: Thank you. Thanks, Dan.
spk01: Your next question comes from Gus Richard with Northland. Your line is now open.
spk06: Yes. Thanks for taking my question. I'm just wondering, you know, over the cycle of a price variation of your input costs, you know, can you just talk about, you know, in price spikes, you lose a little bit of gross margin. When prices come down, you gain a little bit of gross margin. Is the net effect over the cycle that it really has no impact on your profitability, you know, or is it dependent on the frequency of the change? You know, a little bit of help on how to think about this as the world evolves going forward.
spk04: Thanks, Gus, for your question. I'd like to just answer that by saying what we've seen really in our Q4 has been unprecedented, both on the inputs for reprieve, and I'm talking specifically here in the US, and in our virgin petrochemicals. And so anything we would have normally done in the past wouldn't have been able to deal with what happens. I will say that we have been much more proactive in modifying our prices on the way up than we have been historically. I do believe we have a very focused sales team that are doing a great job on making sure that they pass through these increases, these input cost increases, both on the raw side, but also on the manufacturing cost side, the inflation cost that we've seen both on packaging and labor. So I would basically close out by saying we will be in a better position to manage our margins in the U.S. as these raw materials come down. We do need to and we will be giving some of these, this benefit of raw materials back to the customer, but we'll be very diligent about how we do that and very focused on where we do that. So what basically happened in the last quarter and is happening today as we move through this high-priced inventory is very, very unusual.
spk02: I think the mix of reprieve going forward allows us to improve our margins down the road. And I also think there's some processes that have been changed in sales that Eddie has brought to the team where they individually can manage the profitability by customer, which is a big change over what we've had in the past. So for that reason, I also think we see our margins go up in the longer term.
spk05: Got it. Thank you.
spk06: That's very helpful. And then in terms of the lockdowns in China, is the impact just on the sales side or are the lockdowns impacting the ability to manufacture product? And what has the trajectory been over the last couple of months as the lockdowns have eased a bit?
spk04: Yeah, it's not impacted our ability to manufacture or get products to our customer. It's really been on the sales side because as the whole system backed up, as our customers weren't able to make fabrics and their customers weren't able to make garments because of these regional lockdowns, it backed up the need to have yarn And in addition, what is also happening is the brands and retailers that we talked about earlier, the U.S. brands and retailers and Western Europe brands and retailers, they are pulling back on their orders because of this inventory situation that they have. So it's a combination, short term, of coming out of the lockdowns and then also the inventory reductions and resulting in slower orders. From a margin perspective, as Craig mentioned, we haven't seen any impact because we have an asset-like model in Asia.
spk06: Got it. And then the last one for me, and this is probably a longer-term question, but California passed a very significant single-use plastic, recycled plastic bill at the beginning of July, and it's thought to be sort of the template for other states. And I'm wondering, talking to your suppliers of bale bottles, you know, is there any thoughts on, you know, the trajectory of recycle rates and the availability of raw material for reprieve?
spk04: Great question, and that's a good point. So California did pass a bill. I believe Oregon, New Jersey also passed a similar, so much from an EPR perspective, extended producer responsibility, which puts, you know, the owners back on the companies putting the products on the market to take responsibility for the recycling rates somewhat. We see this as a positive because it will force, I guess, municipalities and other communities collecting bottles to increase collections. In California, they have to get 25% recycled content by a certain few years out to that will increase the demand for recycling content which will increase the the emphasis to increase collections today we have a very poor recycling rates in the US and that part what drove the escalation of Bale Bottle pricing in in the second year second quarter calendar second quarter of this year so I see it as a positive long-term to encourage people to increase collections we will mitigate some of our needs for bottles but again that pressure is going to be on the west coast and all of the bottles that we collect in the U.S.
spk06: are on the east coast or predominantly on the east coast I would have thought it would have increased cycle rates would reduce your input cost am I getting that wrong?
spk04: That will eventually yeah eventually that will because what happens in the calendar second quarter which There was a new bottle wash facility started up. They were trying to get more, build inventory of their raw materials. That bill passed, and people were very concerned about how they're going to meet the 25%, even though it's fairly far out. It was a very strange phenomenon. Long term, we do expect these bills will increase collections. The more bottles that get on the market, the better off we are from a pricing point of view.
spk05: Got it. Thank you. That's it for me. Thanks, Gus.
spk01: Your next question comes from Anthony Levizinski with Sudoti. Your line is now open.
spk09: Thank you, and good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. So I know you guys talked about the price increases in July and August. I was wondering if you could perhaps expand on that and give us some more color as to the level of price increases. Also, the second part of that question would be, you know, so aside from price increases, what are the other key initiatives that you're looking to strengthen and improve profitability in the U.S.?
spk04: Thanks for those questions. You know, as we've said in previous calls, Anthony, and just welcome to Covering Unified, we have been very, over the last 15 months, 16 months, been raising prices almost every month. And what we did in July and August was to really finally catch up with our pricing relative to the raw materials. And as we mentioned, it was very, very significant in June beyond what we had seen before from a scale. So in August, I do see that our pricing has leveled up to where it needs to be. I feel very comfortable with the pricing we got to. We still have, like I said, this inventory to deal with, which we will as we move through the month. The key initiatives that we have, you know, beyond the raw materials, of course, managing price points is going to be very important to us. We are managing our purchases very, very carefully in the U.S., both on the manufacturing side, because we've got a slowdown in our volume, so we know we need to pull out as much cost as possible. We're reducing some of our SG&A expenses here in the US where we can. We are also really pulling back our inventory significantly. So from a cash point of view, we are buying the least amount of materials we can to try and take advantage of this downturn in raw material pricing. And then looking for certain volume opportunities where it makes sense. And of course, making sure we manage our price points very carefully on that. And then lastly, our labor hours. They're a big part of our costs here in the US. And our manufacturing lead and his teams are very, very careful about what hours we need. And it's actually helping us, interestingly, because it's giving us more time to train the people that we have that are new employees. They're the things that we're doing beyond just the raw material cost reductions.
spk09: Got it. Okay. Thanks for that color, Eddie. And then, so within your EBITDA guidance for S23, it sounds like overall that you're holding SGN as much as you can, and it's really the pressure is really on the gross margins. Is that a fair assessment?
spk03: Yes, Anthony, I think that's a very fair assessment. We, yeah, definitely the guidance for the range for you that I anticipated, you know, several different scenarios for each of the three reportable segments, but you are correct. Really, most of that, almost all of that centered around, you know, kind of manufacturing and operations and sales prices and not so much about SG&A.
spk09: Got it. Thanks for that. As far as Brazil, the gross margins have been kind of all over the place here the last few quarters. What's a reasonable long-term assumption for gross margins in Brazil?
spk03: Yeah, you're correct. Really at the height of the pandemic or the second wave of the pandemic five, six quarters ago, you're correct. We saw some amazing gross margins from Brazil. I think we were careful to caution everybody not to pencil us in for 30% to 40% gross margins for that business. That's really historically not where they've operated. The quarter they just had, they did run through some additional high costs and got through quite a bit of those, actually a little bit faster than we anticipated. So we do think they'll be back more toward the normal rate of profitability, which has their gross margins in the kind of mid to upper teens, even approaching up into 20% range for gross margin. It's a well-run business. They have a great customer base. They do a lot of the right things. They are also starting to see the early stages of benefiting from the EVO texturing equipment that's going into their operations. So those are some of the things that give us confidence that they will rebound nicely here and are starting to rebound already nicely here in this quarter. But I think that, you know, kind of mid-high teens and maybe even just a little bit better than that is kind of a better longer-term model for Brazil.
spk09: Got it.
spk05: Thank you very much and best of luck. Thanks, Anthony.
spk01: Your next question comes from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Your line is now open.
spk08: Thank you again. Following up on the margin question and just kind of thinking longer term, you mentioned margins getting back to more normal levels by H2. I assume more normal overall is something in the 10% plus range, maybe 10 to 12. Is that sort of the right way to think about it given all the puts and takes over the last year or two with Brazil, et cetera? And then the bigger question is just how do we think about the bridge implied between you know, what would be kind of more normal late fiscal 23 margins and your 25 goals of 14% to 15%? What are the key drivers or levers there? Thanks.
spk03: Yeah, I think, yeah, Dan, you're correct. I think when we say normal margins and we kind of blend all that together, you are correct. We're talking, you know, something in excess of 10%. Our longer term model that we have, we're marching toward a higher profitability pack, closer to 15% longer term. And part of that transition will be, as we have talked about, more reprieve and a better margin profile for those products. That will definitely help us as we increase that percentage longer term. But you are correct, in the shorter term, saying getting back to Second half margins, gross margins, kind of 10, 11%, 12%. That is more the right-funded range there.
spk02: And Craig, on the move towards 15 in the longer, farther out years, reprieve mix and evo-cooler is probably the two biggest impacts?
spk03: Yeah, I would say those definitely the biggest impacts and also a continued input from Asia as well. We do feel like that will continue to pull up and make good progress there. Again, they have the highest level of pre-products and we expect that to continue to grow. Eddie, do you want to add on to that?
spk04: Yeah, I think the other... We have engaged somebody to help us understand where the best opportunities for Unify is in the beyond apparel area and... We're doing a deep dive in some segments that I think are going to yield a lot of food. And that's been one of the, in our strategy presentation back in February, we said we were trying to look for segments that had higher gross margins. And we see that being something that's very important for us to get us to that 14% or so gross margin levels across the globe.
spk02: Perfect. Go ahead. And it's the mix of Asia today versus when we get to 25 is quite a difference and that carries along quite a bit of reprieve margin.
spk08: Got it, Al. Thank you. That's helpful. And Eddie, I think you read my mind because my last question was just updating us on some of those growth initiatives outside of parallel. I realize these are not one or two quarter things, multi-year projects, but When you look at auto-packaging, medical, footwear, where are you seeing, or any of those, where you're seeing more dialogue, folks getting more excited about sustainability and longer-term partnerships, any color you might be able to provide would be helpful.
spk04: As you've mentioned, it is a longer-term initiative. We should complete this analysis sometime this quarter, and that will allow us to really drive further faster into those segments you mentioned, plus another few that we've sort of come across that have been quite interesting. Anything we do that we know is going to take several quarters, and the apparel market takes 18 months to get a program sometimes, but we know that there'll be, we will be putting a lot of time and effort into digging down into these opportunities that have come to the surface, and they will be beyond those four segments that you mentioned, but for me personally, I think exciting is the transition to the electrification of cars. I think these automobile companies are going to be looking to be, as we said on these calls, more sustainable, not just on their dry terrain, but also in the textile inputs into the cars. I think that's probably the shortest visibility we're going to see.
spk05: Thank you. Very good. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time.
spk01: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.
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