speaker
Conference Operator

come to the earnings release call of Ultrapar to discuss the results referring to the second quarter of 2025. The presentation will be conducted by Mr. Rodrigo Pezinado, CEO of Ultrapar, and by Mr. Alexandre Palares, CFO of Ultrapar. Our question and answer session will also have Mr. Leonardo Linton, CEO of Ipranga, Cabajara Bertelli, CEO of Ultragas, and Fufius Tomelli, CEO of Ultracargo. This call is being recorded and it may be accessed in the website ri.ultra.com.br. After the presentation, we are going to start the question and answer session when further instructions will be provided. We would also like to let you know that our conference is being conducted in Portuguese and there is simultaneous translation available through interpretation. For those listening to the conference in English, you may mute the original audio just listening to the English translation. The presentation will be shown in Portuguese and the version in English is available for download from the website of the company or through the chat. Before moving on, we would like to clarify that forward-looking statements that may be made during this conference call with respect to business prospects of Ultrapar, their forecasts, operational and financial goals of the company, are all based on beliefs and assumptions of the Executive Board, as well as on currently available information. They are no guarantee of performance. They involve risks and uncertainties, since they relate to future events, and therefore depend on circumstances which may or may not occur. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, the market, and other operational factors may affect the future performance of the company and lead to results which may differ materially from those expressed in these forward-looking statements. I'd like now to hand it over to Mr. Rodrigo Pessinato, who will start the presentation. Mr. Pessinato, you have the floor.

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Rodrigo Pessinato
CEO of Ultrapar

This is a pleasure to half of 2025 and talk about our achievements and what we are building, always focused on the long-term value creation and the development and growth of our business. Among the highlights, I want to call your attention to the strong operational cash flow generation, even with 900 million reais reduction in draft discount due to the IOF tax burden, as a result of our disciplining focus on working capital management. Furthermore, we achieved record results at Hidrovias, which has been consolidated into UltraPars Financial since May, when we became the controlling shareholder after its capital increase. Still regarding Hidrovias, I also reinforce our belief in its potential for growth and value creation. The stronger results, the reduction in net debt and in the cost of debt, along with all the liability management actions executed after the capital increase, already demonstrate part of this plan. And regarding Ipiranga, we recognized R$ 677 million in extraordinary tax credits, resulting from the remaining portion of historical ICMS tax credits in the Fiscal Fins Day calculation base. We continued to experience illegalities in the fuel sector, including the increase in the irregular import of naphtha for selling as gasoline. with reduced tax burden, and non-compliance with the required biodiesel blend in diesel. On the other hand, there were advances with the implementation of the single-phase taxation of hydrated ethanol for peas and coffins in May, and the publishing of the list of companies not complying with the Renovabil program, despite the limited effect after injections that prevented the disclosure of certain companies' names. I also highlight the evolutions in São Paulo state, with the start of the Tax Solidarity Principle for resellers and distributors for state tax not collected, a milestone in Brazil's fight against tax evasion. And at Ultra Cargo, we completed the construction of Opla's railway branch and started a gradual ramp-up of operations in Palmeirante in July, as part of the company's expansion, connecting the countryside to the ports with increased exposure to the agribusiness sector. We remain firmly committed to our value proposition, supported by a robust capital structure and a constant pursuit of excellence, maintaining focus and discipline in capital and value creation. We raised R$ 1 billion at Ipiranga at an average cost equivalent to 106% of the CDI, below our current average cost of debt. In the quarter, we also concluded the buyback program of 25 million ultra-power shares, at an average cost of R$ 16.64. As previously disclosed, we will pay R$ 326 million in interim dividends, equivalent to R$ 0.30 per share in August. And now, moving to the next slide, given the recent proposal under analysis disclosed by ANP, the national oil agency, regarding changes in LPG regulation, we have also brought some information and data to better support the discussion. Brazil is a global reference in LPG market regulation. We currently have a modern regulatory framework that ensures safety for the consumer by placing accountability on distributors. At the same time, it maintains a highly competitive market, where investments in efficiency and growth are essential to profitability and differentiation. The proposal under NASDAQ by ANP to end brand respect and allow partial lpg refilling in dangers both the population of safety and investments in the bottle segment creating room for illegal activities and organized crime like in mexico over the past 10 years about 13 billion reais were invested in the construction maintenance and requalification of 133 million bottles currently in circulation in brazil and their respective filling systems Ultragaz alone invested around 3 billion reais during this period, and in grand respect, discourages investments by distributors. The gradual aging and deterioration of LPG bottles puts population at risk. On this slide, we present some pictures from Latin American countries where brand respect doesn't exist, such as Mexico and Paraguay, illustrating the severe deterioration of LPG bottles. countries that respect the brand such as chile and colombia maintain lpg bottle parks with quality similar to that in brazil we also highlight some news about explosions and accidents in countries without brain respect furthermore as i will demonstrate on the next slide this change will not bring any price benefit either The current cost of bottle exchange between distributors, due to logistical efficiency, scale and proximity between bottling facilities, is 50 cents of reais per bottle. Another critical point in this proposal concerns LPG partial filling, which increases logistical costs and the unit price of the product, while also creating challenges for inspection, operational risks and volume fraud. And moving now to the next slide, the top chart presents the breakdown of costs and profits per gas bottle from January to June 2025. As you can see, Tetrabras' price of 38 reais per bottle does not include taxes nor other supply sources like auctions, whose prices are above 38 reais per bottle, nor the primary logistics to deliver the gas to our bottling facilities. As a result, the LPG cost of Ultra Gas Bottling Facility is 60 reais per bottle. Adding the costs of filling, replacing, requalification and maintenance of bottles, as well as logistics and commercial expenses and bottle exchange costs, we reach 73 reais per bottle. I highlight once more the exchange cost of 50 cents of reais per bottle. including all of our administrative and financial expenses and income tax, we add another R$ 4 per bottle. Our total net income to operate in the bottle segment is about R$ 2 per bottle, a small unit margin of 2%, but feasible in Brazil to the scale of our market. And now in the chart below, we use public data from AAMP to show the evolution of prices and margins across the supply chain. with figures adjusted by inflation . In the first column, we break down the price into producer price, which is mainly Petrobras, taxes and distribution margin. The adjacent column, in dark blue, shows the final consumer price, which includes freight, costs and margin for 58,000 independent resellers across Brazil. And as you can also observe in the historical series, the distribution margin has remained basically stable, even partially absorbing Petrobras' cost increase in 2022. To summarize, we present the conclusions in the box in the right. Society in Brazil does not benefit from these proposals, which in fact leads to unintended consequences such as higher logistical costs and reduced safety for the population. On the other hand, these proposals create space for unlawful players, tax evaders and opportunistic companies that could enter the bottle segment without investing in bottles and filling plants. Therefore, with clarifications and discussions, this proposal should not be implemented. Thank you for your attention. I will now hand over to Alexandre, who will detail the results for the second quarter.

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Alexandre Palares
CFO of Ultrapar

Thank you, Rodrigo, and good morning, everyone. Well, first, I'd like to remind you of the reporting criteria and standards used for the analysis that will be made in this presentation, which can be seen in this slide. This specific result has some particularities related to the first consolidation of Hidrovias and includes three months from the share of profit on its results, in order to eliminate the lag, and we've been carrying, as well as two months of EBITDA from May and June. Now let's move to the next slide where we will see ultra-parse results. Toda EBITDA reached R$2,07 billion, that represents a significant growth compared to last year, partially driven by the recognition of extraordinary tax credits. The recurring EBITDA for the quarter totaled R$1,468 billion, representing an increase of 15% compared to the second quarter last year. This performance mainly reflects the consolidation of Hidrovia's results and UltraGas' better results, which were partially offset by Iperanga's lower EBITDA. Considering the sum of the reported EBITDA from our business, we reached 1 billion and 541 million reais, slightly above last year's level. The struggling performance from Hidrovia's and UltraGas' offset Iperanga's results. The net income was a billion and 151 million reais in the quarter, an increase of 134% compared to the same period of previous year, reflecting the higher operating results and the recognition of extraordinary tax credit in the amount of 677 million reais. The capex for the quarter was 544 million reais. This represents an increase of 14% compared to last year, mainly reflecting the effect of consolidation of hidrovias in the amount of 64 million reais. We had an operating cash generation of 1 billion and 848 million reais, excluding the 909 million reais from the reduction of the draft discount. a growth of 73% compared to the same period of last year. This cash generation is explained by the reduction in working capital due to lower diesel and gasoline prices and the addition of R$ 138 million related to the consolidation of Hidrovia's cash generation. Moving to the next slide to discuss debt and leverage, we ended the second quarter with a net debt of R$12.635 billion, which is equivalent to 1.9 times the net debt to EBITDA for the last 12 months, compared to 1.7 times in the last quarter. This increase was due to the reduction in draft discount of R$909 million because of the IOF tax burden. excluding this effect we would maintain the same leverage level mainly due to the strong cash generation in the quarter even with the consolidation of the drove years which added 3 billion 56 million highs in the net debt and approximately 2.2 in the total average in addition to the acquisition of additional stake in the company which together totaled R$494 million. Well, moving to Ipiranga's results, the volume sold in the second quarter was 2% lower compared to the second quarter last year. In diesel, there was a 3% reduction, reflecting the irregularities in the biodiesel blend and the import parity opened during most of the quarter, which resulted in an oversupply of products in the market. The order cycle decreased 1%, impacted by the growth in irregular imports of NAFTA for sale as gasoline. We ended the period with 5,826 stations. We added 54 service stations and closed 75 to our network throughout the quarter. Regarding AMPM, we ended the quarter with 1,460 stores and revenue growth of 10% in the quarter, in the same store sales concept. Ipirenga's EBITDA reached 1,199,000,000 reais. Recurring EBITDA for the quarter was 678,000,000 reais, which is 13% down from the previous year. As I mentioned earlier, irregularities in NAFTA and biodiesel blending, the import parity opened and the inventory levels in the market impacted volume and EBITDA, which also had additional impact due to Petrobras price adjustment during the quarter. These effects were partially offset by lower personal expenses due to a smaller headcount and one-off expenses related to the office relocation that occurred in 2024. Well, for the third quarter, we expect seasonal stronger volumes. We started the period with a closing import parity scenario and a trend towards normalization of inventories in the industry, which contributes to profitability above the observed in the first half of 2025. Moving to Targas, The volume of LPG sold in the quarter was 1% lower than the second quarter of 2024, with a 2% decrease in bottle segment, reflecting the competitive dynamics of the market, affected by the pass-through of increased costs of Petrobras auctions. Bulk volume remained stable. Ultradaz recurring at Just Rebida was R$442 million in the quarter, 11% higher than the registered in the same period of 2024. These results reflect the better sales mix, greater efficiency in the bulk segment and greater results from new energies, partially offset by lower rewards in the bottle segment and higher expenses. For this third quarter, we expect seasonal stronger volumes and recurring EBITDA slightly above the third quarter of last year, enhanced by the performance of new energy. Going to UltraCargo, the installed capacity remained at 1,067,000 cubic meters in the period. We note that the cubic meters sold decreased 14% year-over-year, reflecting the lower demand for storage in fusing ports, affected by industry inventory handling reduction, with lower handling in Santos and Itaqui. Net revenue totaled R$ 247 million in the quarter, a reduction of 6% compared to the same quarter in 2024, reflecting volume's effects, partially offset by a better handling mix. Ultracardos EBITDA totaled R$141 million in the quarter, which is 15% lower than the same period last year, and mainly explained by lower cut meters sold and initial costs and expenses with the expansion of Opla and the new terminal in Palmeirantes. For this third quarter, we expect EBITDA in line with that observed in the second quarter. well finally moving to hidrovias and to explain and compare the results we are considering the entire quarter of hidrovias that is the same number already released by the company the total volume in the quarter was 10 percent higher compared to the same quarter last year the south corridor stands out driven by better navigation conditions aligned with the improved rainfall patterns and increase our rambling as well as volume growth in the north corridor Recurring adjusted EBITDA totaled R$348 million in the period, which is a 39% increase compared to the second quarter last year. These results reflect improved navigability conditions, higher volumes and tariff adjustments in the north corridor. These effects were partially offset by lower results from Cabotage and Santos operations. consolidated in UltraPAR's quarterly results totaled R$276 million. Of this amount, R$234 million refers to Hidrovia's EBITDA for May and June, following the consolidation of control, and the remaining R$42 million refers to the share of profit after the pre-consolidation period. For the third quarter, as disclosed by interviews, we expect a continued strong results, a significant increase in recurring EBITDA compared to the third quarter last year. Well, with that, I conclude the presentation and would like to thank you all for the participation. Let's move to the Q&A session. But before we start, just to contribute to the dynamics of this moment, I would like to reinforce that questions related to Hidrovias will be answered from the perspective of the controlling shareholders. Any other operational details should be directed to the Hidrovias IR team. Thank you.

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Investor Relations Moderator

We are going to start now the question and answer session for investors and analysts.

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Conference Operator

If you have a question, please raise your hand. If your question has been answered, you can leave the queue by lowering your hand. To ask a question in text, send it through the Q&A, including your name and company's name. will be answered later by the investor relations team. The first question comes by Gabriel Barra with Citi. Hello, good morning. Bisenardo Palhares, thank you for taking my question. And I have two questions. The first one, I think you pointed out quite well in the release, and Fernando talked about the informal practice and the margins in the industry. Even though there had been impact in terms of margin for you, we've seen some improvement. There is the single-phase taxation, Renovavio. We can see some significant improvement, Solidarity, a number of things happening good things for the industry so i'd like to hear more about the dynamic of margins is it within what you had expected considering your inventory levels i'd like to hear more about that and how you can see the margins considering all the different movements involving informal practice and what we can expect from now on in terms of this change in the industry now ultra gas you've talked about regulation which is something very important the one side we have the brazilian petroleum agency discussing amp there is also a discussion about the law of gas to all But a lot has been said about LPG this week, especially addressed by Petrobras, considering competition in the industry. A lot has been said about having Petrobras back into the LPG industry. maybe it's too early but i would like to hear your opinion about that competition you are doing quite well in terms of exchange of the puzzles and so on but if petrobras came back into the market why would you expect and how are you getting prepared to a newcomer and a newcomer as big as petrobras and finally in working capital and the draft discount you've mentioned This is very much related with the discussion of IOF, the tax on financial operations. The idea was to exclude the draft discount, or once there is a definition about IOF, do you think that there will be draft discount back again into your working capital? So what can we anticipate for the next quarter? Thank you very much.

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Leonardo Linton
CEO of Ipiranga

Good morning, Gabriel.

speaker
Conference Operator

This is Lyndon speaking. You have a number of questions, so different people will answer them. In terms of regulation, you've got it right. Yes, there are very important movements going on. I think we should highlight the three main ones.

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Leonardo Linton
CEO of Ipiranga

First, the single-phase taxation pointed out by Rodrigo.

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Conference Operator

The single-phase taxation has a practical effect, which is negative at first, because it deteriorates the margins, but then it gets picked up with time, and we see it as positive, positive effect. Then the C deals of the three elements that I'm going to mention, the one that makes me more frustrated is exactly that, It's been a very good movement trying to get visibility to all of those who are not complying with the program, but there are injunctions, open injunctions that still have to be analyzed. It's no sense having an operator in activity for three or four years never complying with the rules of the program, so it makes no sense, right? This is something that we still need more visibility to understand how it's going to be concluded. And finally, solidarity. And I agree, I think that this is a very important thing. We are talking about 210 million of tax that's included to those solidarity responsible parties. I hope it can go into other states. because only by doing that we can start inhibiting the tax evasion.

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Leonardo Linton
CEO of Ipiranga

I can see the effects overall as being positive.

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Conference Operator

In terms of margin, I think it's too early. It's too early to anticipate or to imagine what the impact would be. The initiatives are positive, so we expect that to bring positive effects as well in the future.

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Cabajara Bertelli
CEO of Ultragaz

Gabriel, Tabajara speaking. Thank you for the question.

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Conference Operator

The information that we've heard in the market, we still do not have many details. We can just make hypothesis, right? Petrobras coming into the market. Petrobras is a top quality player. It had already operated in this industry in the past, responsible for consolidating the regulation market, focused on safety. So it would be instrumental to support the consolidation of regulation that we have. It's a company that would really come into the market and really play by the rules. It's a player that could come in the market and support everything that is ongoing. We wouldn't see any changes in terms of the near future. The information that we have is very similar to what you mentioned. We don't have any further details. This is Palhares speaking. Concerning the draft discount, you got it straight. The discussion of the tax and financial operations IOF was the trigger. We have access to long-term funding lines at very competitive rates. We decided to use it to avoid the direct discount, and it's still a good tool to manage short-term working capital, but at lower volumes, right?

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Rodrigo Pessinato
CEO of Ultrapar

That's exactly it.

speaker
Conference Operator

Thank you, Gabriel. I would like to emphasize something that Lyndon pointed out. the solidarity of resellers in paying taxes in São Paulo. It's really a landmark in the industry in Brazil. It hasn't gained as much attention as it deserved, but it's a transforming factor. It should serve as a role model to other states because it increases a tax collection and it favors taxpayers, such as us, right? I would like to emphasize this point because this is really a turning point in the regulation and inspection in Brazil. Great. Thank you very much. The next question comes by Vicente Falanga with Bradesco BBI. Good morning, Pizzinati, Falaris, Lyndon, the team. I'd like to go back to IR of LPG. Tell us about the exchange of information you have had with the ANP. We've read the document. We don't think it's very clarifying or quantitative.

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Falaris

in your presentation in two of the charts, you showed that maybe things wouldn't make that much sense.

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Conference Operator

So what kind of exchange of information have you had and when will you have opportunity to learn more, maybe when there is an initial draft? What can we expect in terms of upcoming steps? And a follow-up on Lynden's comment, it seems there is a legal effort to put an end to all the injunctions of the credits, the biocredits. Do you have any visibility, any anticipation of that? Good morning, Vicente. Concerning the regulations in LPG, I'm going to bring a point to the discussion and then Tabajara can build upon it. In the pre-hearing level, because there is also going to be a public hearing, but in the pre-hearing stage, 247 inputs were made, out of which 244 were against the proposal of changes of fractioning and end of the branded product.

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Rodrigo Pessinato
CEO of Ultrapar

And there's...

speaker
Conference Operator

Opposite position came from the National Commander of the Firefighters, the International Federation of Workers in Transportation, and other organizations, all of them against fractioning and or the end of the branded bottles. Only three out of the 447, only three? were in favor of that change, but by other organizations which are not so representative. Rodrigo has given us an overview of what has happened. There had been a pre-consultation, a pre-hearing stage, We were very deep into our contribution and inputs, providing arguments. Of course, we have just presented a summary to you today. There is a regulatory agenda in place and some of the points, which may be even positive, such as release of use rather than restricted use, I mean, there are some positive things, should it become into effect. But this is a discussion that is going to be on and on with further participation. And this is why we wanted to share that with you. If you want to get involved, this is the time to do it. We are concerned, of course, we want the regulation to move ahead, not to take back steps. and there are many steps still on schedule, and we are going to be part of this discussion. Vicente, concerning the legal efforts, yes, there are a number of initiatives providing support and clarification. One of them is a request of the General Attorney's Office of the government, but still waiting for the analysis of the Supreme Court analysis. But we are here to support the process and to correct the distortion as quickly as possible. We do whatever it takes. Great. Thank you all very much for the answers. The next question comes from Matheus Enfieldet with UBS.

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Matheus Enfieldet

Please unmute your mic.

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Conference Operator

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Robust results once again at UltraGas. Capital allocation. What is your leverage target? that would allow Ultra to start considering opportunities of investments at the holding level. The message is clear. Investments are being made at the level of subsidiaries. You've made some very good acquisitions in previous quarters. But thinking about something bigger, maybe as big as Pedro Vias, maybe next year where your leverage would go back probably to 1.5. How are you anticipating that? When do you intend to revisit intently these kind of investments? In terms of LPG margins, we've talked a lot about the continuity and robust results. but I would like to understand to what extent can you think about other energies within that area or the levels that we've been talking about, 3% to 5% of share of EBITDA from new energies. Should we still remain and work with this level, or can we expect anything else?

speaker
Rodrigo Pessinato
CEO of Ultrapar

Thank you.

speaker
Conference Operator

Good morning, Matheus. Concerning leverage, And considering the higher interest rates, we see leverage at a comfortable level between 1.5 and 2 times over EBITDA. And the second half of the year will be very positive in terms of cash flow. Probably by the end of the year, we're going to get to the level of leverage that we had in the end of 2024. Even with the investments made, to complete our controlling position at Hydrovias, the buyback program, and the consolidation of Hydrovias debt of 3.1 billion in the quarter.

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Cabajara Bertelli
CEO of Ultragaz

Mateus, Tabarjara speaking.

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Conference Operator

In terms of share from new energies, We are very much aligned with our plan. Everything that we've been referring to in previous quarters, we are still obtaining a lot in combining businesses of our clients with biomethane, distributed generation, sales, a lot of things going on, and very much aligned with the plan that we have developed. In this quarter, we captured efficiency and excellence in our operations of all the strategic initiatives that we have in the long term, many of which combined and bringing results that helped us deliver the results for this quarter.

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Cabajara Bertelli
CEO of Ultragaz

Part of our...

speaker
Conference Operator

The integration of the consortium was important, impacted our results. This is a continuous process. There has been no discontinuity in the short term projected, and we expect to see that evolution throughout time. Thank you.

speaker
Investor Relations Moderator

Thank you.

speaker
Conference Operator

Next question comes by Eduardo Muniz with Santander.

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Eduardo Muniz

Good morning.

speaker
Conference Operator

Great results. Thank you for taking my question. The first question is a follow-up on what we've heard, the strategy of reducing the threat discount rate. Does it involve the gross profit of the company, especially Puranga? And what was the share for EBITDA margin by cubic meter in the second quarter? Second question concerns consolidation of hydrovias. From now on, what can we expect in terms of initiative, in terms of cost reduction, GNA, and how that can impact EBITDA of UltraPAR? These are my questions.

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cubic meter

Thank you, Eduardo, for the question.

speaker
Conference Operator

The effect is not relevant, and we use it one-off throughout the quarter, nothing that would really change our perception. What was the second question again?

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Bruno

Consolidation of hydrovias.

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Conference Operator

Should we expect cost reduction, GNA reduction, and how that can impact ultrapass EBITDA? Good morning. Rodrigo speaking. Concerning consolidation of hydrovias, We've been doing that to allow a better correlation with the market and really focus on our ongoing plan and results of HydroVias, and that's going to be addressed by the HydroVias call. In terms of our controlling holder, HydroVias has come from a process with better navigability And thanks to all the improvements in management, operations, cost reduction, and improvement of indebtedness level. So we expect a second half of the year, which is going to be much better than last year's. And for the details, I would like to ask you to approach our investor relations team of HydroVias. Thank you. The next question comes from Bruno Amorim with Goldman Sachs.

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cubic meter

You can unmute your mic. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question.

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Conference Operator

I have a strategic question concerning Ipiranga and that agenda against informal practice is moving ahead. You always show us clearly the movement. And as the agenda moves ahead, the company's priority, what will it be? Increase return on investments, ROE, gain more market share? What is the current ROIC of Ipranga in your accounts? Do you think that you are at the right level or not? And I'm asking at the level... Because a major player has just said that it has been expecting margins at the current level. Just to understand, if you have the same perception, right margin, right returns on investment, so competitive games would be increased volumes from now on. Hi, Bruno.

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Bruno

Well, yes, we expect better market because of improvement in the regulations.

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Conference Operator

It doesn't change how we consider investments. Investments have to be selective no matter what. As I've mentioned before, we always focus on investments that have a return of about 20%. It's not at this level yet, so we are not at the level we would like to be, of course.

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Matheus Enfieldet

But our plan is, yes, if there is room,

speaker
Conference Operator

to have a disciplined investment practice, we are going to look for opportunities as the market improves. And margins are part of that as well. If the whole situation improves, margins and volumes equally improve. But we have to be absolutely sure that the regulatory issues are really progressing. Great. Thank you. The next question comes from Bruno Montanari with Morgan Stanley. Mr. Montanari, please unmute your mic. Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two. First, about ultracargo, could you please tell us more about need and long-term perspective concerning the increase of sold cubic meters and some update on your expansion projects. And secondly, capital allocation. Once you reach your target leverage, how would you consider getting into a new business or increasing the distribution of dividends? And what would be the minimum return rate that you would consider to go into a new business line or maybe expand some of your business in a more robust fashion. Thank you, Bruno. This is Fulvio speaking. Brazil is an importing country, so we have continuous demand. We justify our constant investments. In this year, we started the operations in Pomeranty, and we have in our Pomeranty, pipeline, the expansion of Santos and Rondonópolis, both of them coming to their conclusion. The expansions are going through a maturation process, with expectations of reaching a beta per cubic meter, similar to other terminals, as of 2026. We just need some maturation for the expansions of Oaxaca. Good morning, Bruno Rodrigo speaking. Concerning target leverage, once we get close to our expected level, we are going to consider both options, whether it's worth investing again to expand existing business or to go into a new business, and the return rate will be adjusted by risk. Close to what we do, sometimes you have a return rate which is lower, And that's what we want to work with. If there are no projects, then we increase the dividend payout. There is no previous decision already made. Things are decided as the reality changes. Great. Thank you.

speaker
Investor Relations Moderator

Our session is concluded now.

speaker
Conference Operator

I would like to hand it over to Alexandre Pagliaris for his closing remarks. Well, let me thank you very much for your time and your participation. Let me remind you that on September 19, we are going to have the Ultra Day. We are highly excited to welcome you all there. We are going to talk about our strategy and give you more details about our businesses. We are here at your availability. Our investor relations team is here to support you. Thank you all very much for your participation.

speaker
Investor Relations Moderator

Thank you for your time and interest.

speaker
Conference Operator

Let me remind you that the next meeting will be on September 19th at Ultra Day. During the event, we are going to share our strategic view and more details about our businesses. We count on your participation. The Investor Relations team is at your disposal for any follow-up and for questions which may come up. Thank you all very much.

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