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spk06: Good day everyone and welcome to the U-Haul holding company second quarter fiscal year 2025 investor call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Later you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer session. You may register to ask a question at any time by pressing the star and one on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Please note this call may be recorded. I'll be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is my pleasure to turn the conference over to Sebastian Reyes.
spk04: Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Welcome to the U-Haul holding company second quarter fiscal 2025 investor call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain of the statements during this call, including without limitation, statements regarding revenue, expenses, income and general growth of our business may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which cannot be predicted or quantified. Certain factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. For discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect the company's business and future operating results, please refer to the company's public SEC filings and form 10Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2024, which is on file with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. I'll now turn the call over to Joe Showen, Chairman of U-Haul holding company. Thanks, Sebastian.
spk01: This is the time of year that we try to lock down our moving truck and Trader CapEx. The big unknown for us is how successful the new administration will be in getting EV mandates turned around. If the vehicle manufacturers can gain some certainty, that will help us with our strategy. Rental income on moving equipment is up slightly. My teams remain focused on this measurement, but we've been getting very modest results. We are continuing to develop new storage product and bringing it online faster than we are filling units. The industry, the storage industry, remains set upon by unrealistic move in promotions. We are holding with our strategy, but we're watching this all the time. U-Box, which is our service that addresses both the time and the place needs of consumers, is still making progress. We have a significant infrastructure now in place that can reliably handle growth in our transactions and I expect we're going to see some. I have a word on the, an update on the acquisition of U-Haul holding company shares by Trion Fund management LP, Nelson Peltz. As you know, Trion filed a 13-F with the acquisition of the SEC on August 14, regarding their U-Haul holding company stock holdings as of June 30. Since then, Jason Burke has met once with Trion representatives and they have sent us a 31-page PowerPoint presentation. Trion has also communicated with other U-Haul holding company shareholders. Of course, Trion's reputation precedes them. We regularly consider multiple inputs and factors and will continue to do so. We have our business plans in place. There will not be any changes to our plans due to Trion's input. Jason continues to work to get accurate, helpful information to you as investors and he will continue to do so. Many things are up in the air regarding consumer confidence. We look forward to the new administration positively contributing to this, which will just make our ability to see the future a little more accurate. With that, I'll turn it over to Jason to take you through the numbers.
spk05: Thanks, Joe. Yesterday, we reported second quarter earnings of $187 million compared to $274 million for the same quarter last year. From the earnings per share perspective, this translates to 96 cents per non-voting share compared to $1.40 per non-voting share in the second quarter of last year. Earnings before interest, taxes, and depreciation, EBITDA, and our moving and storage segment, and for the rest of this year, I'm gonna have to adjust to remove interest income from the prior year. That amount decreased by $18.1 million due almost entirely to operating costs that are unlikely to recur. And I'll touch on that further in a moment. Equipment rental revenue results, we had an $18 million increase, about 1.7%. That's slightly better than what our first quarter improvement was. This is now our second consecutive quarter of year over year increases in equipment rental revenues, and it points to a likely trough. We should hopefully have a return to a more sustained growth trajectory. While we weren't able to generate increases in one-way moving transactions, we did see an increase in the average revenue per transaction for both one-way and the in-town moves. And our in-town revenues on the trailer and towing fleet also increased during the quarter. October and the first week in November saw revenue continue to trend positively compared to the same time last year. Capital expenditures for new rental equipment for the first six months were ,000,000. That's a ,000,000 increase compared to the same six-month period last year. We've increased our fiscal 2025 full-year net capex projection, so that's gross spending less sales. We've increased it from a billion 90 million to approximately a billion 115, and that's due to the availability of some additional equipment from our manufacturers that we can purchase this year. Proceeds from the sales of retired rental equipment was down 44 million to a total of 361. This is a combination of fewer pickups and cargo vans sold, along with lower average sales proceeds on the units that we did sell. A portion of our depreciation increase that you're seeing is in response to the declining resale values of these models. Switching to self-storage, revenues were up $16 million, which is about an 8 percent improvement. Average revenue per occupied foot continues to improve across the entire portfolio, up about 1.6 percent for the quarter. If you look at our same store portfolio, we were up just over 2 percent. Our occupied unit count at the end of September was up nearly 32,000 units compared to the same time last year. Now, during the same timeframe, we've added 67,000 new units, and that's what's led to the differential in our average occupancy ratio. We're down to about 80.9 percent for the whole portfolio. If you split out just the same store portion, we saw average occupancy decrease 80 basis points to 94.1 percent. During the first six months of this year, we invested $734 million in real estate acquisitions, along with development costs associated with self-storage in U-Box warehouses. That's a $101 million increase over the first six months of last year. During the quarter, we added just over 900,000 new net rentable square feet. About 860,000 of that was from newly developed locations. We currently have approximately 8.1 million new square feet being developed. I would expect to see the net rentable square feet deliveries increase next quarter compared to what we did this quarter. Our U-Box revenue results are included in other revenue in our 10Q file that are not large enough yet to break out separately, but this line item increased $7 million, of which U-Box was a major contributor. Operating expenses at moving and storage increased just over $55 million. As we mentioned on last quarter's call, the decline in fleet repair maintenance was going to slow, and it was down $5.4 million for the quarter. Personnel costs were up a little over $17 million. Liability costs associated with the fleet increased $7.6 million, and property taxes and building maintenance combined were up about $8 million. During the quarter, we had a $16.5 million cost related to our transition to a new cardboard box supplier for our moving supplies. While we expect this over time to result in improved service and lower cost of goods sold, we opted to expense this amount in the quarter. As of September of this year, at our moving and storage segment, we had cash along with availability from existing loan facilities of ,000,000. On our investor relations website, .uhaul.com, we posted some supplemental materials in addition to the earnings released in the 10Q filing. I would encourage you to take a look at them. We hope that they'd be helpful to you. With that, I would like to hand the call back to our operator, Leo, to begin the question and answer portion of the call.
spk06: Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw yourself from the queue, you may press star two. Again, star one to ask a question. One moment while we queue. We'll take our first question from Steve Ralston of Zax.
spk03: Good morning. The, I have two questions concerning the trends of the business in the self-moving rental business and also self-storage. In the rental business, you've had your second consecutive quarter year over year improvement, which is quite interesting because two, I think two quarters ago, Joe mentioned that he expected slow but modest improvement. Over the near term, I'm wondering if you have anything that you can foresee over the next two quarters. I know you mentioned that you might see strengthening later on, but what's your feeling for the next two quarters?
spk01: I don't see any big changes. We're fine tuning stuff all the time, but it's, you're getting minuscule changes or results. Now that doesn't mean we won't come upon something that significantly works. I think that all this turmoil in the country may settle down and we may start to see people act in a more predictable fashion, which I hope results in more business for us, but I have really no, I don't have any window into that at all. We're going to introduce some time in the fourth quarter, maybe probably late in the fourth quarter, an additional trader model. It will move the dial on trader rentals a little bit, but that's the part we have to manufacture them. So it's going to ramp up slowly, but I'm looking for that to be a modest success. But I don't see anything, I'm blind as to if something's going to pick up over the next 180 days.
spk03: Okay, thank you for that. In the self-storage business, the year over year rate of gain year over year has been deteriorating. It used to be a nice solid double digits and now it's upper single digits. There are a lot of factors that are going into this and I know you point out that the size of your portfolio is growing and that's mathematically that's part of it. And you alluded to the pricing situation. Could you comment on that trend and when you think it'll stabilize and start improving?
spk01: Well, of course, we are adding rooms faster than we're filling rooms. That's our basic imbalance. And of course it gets very location specific and all that. Jason can point to plenty of places where we're in the low to middle 90s doing fine. But as you bring on new product, some are more winners than others. I think our new product that's coming on, it's gonna be 90% winners. So I look for that to outperform the industry. But say it's gonna go back to double digits between now and next summer, I hesitate to predict that. The whole industry has kind of got themselves funky and there's many, many things going on which I probably don't even know about. But I think we're gonna outperform our peer group and I think we should. But whether we'll get this addition and addition of new product and filling the rooms balanced out right, it's not totally clear. Of course we're going into what's, relatively speaking, a slow season, but that's fine. There's plenty of customers out there even in the slow season. So at this point, I'm kind of fighting this out location by location. There's not a macro picture, I would say. I, this week, have most of my senior managers from around the country. And of course we're just doubling down on how are we gonna specifically get X more rooms rented at location Y and where's our, where's the failure in our sales presentation. I always view this as customers are there, we're failing to connect to them. And I still believe that is even though the other, the rest of many participants of the industry are reporting not too shiny results. I tried to anticipate that and I think I told you people that there was many entrants into the market who didn't quite know what they were getting into. Well, they're all in it right now. And that's gonna be a little jumble shaking out. I expect to come out of that jumble ahead of my peer group, but we'll see how that goes.
spk03: Just to talk out loud, I mean, that's one of the key attributes of U-Haul is that you build all this capacity and the ability will come. The demand occurs in last time it was COVID and then you have all the capacity and the leverage to benefit from that. But works both in the rental business and self-work storage. Well, thank you for answering my questions.
spk06: And once again, to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We'll move next to Jamie Weiland of Weiland Management.
spk07: Hey, fellas, the first question is about U-Box and that you seem to be gaining some share in the business. And the question is relative to as you build new self-storage, you have a lot of U-Box storage in there. And how much of a competitive advantage is that for you? Is that why you're gaining share or does that just give you better pricing to customers or better margins for you as you... Obviously you think that's a competitive advantage because as you build new self-storage, you're including places for portable storage in there for U-Box.
spk01: Yeah, I'm gonna let my son Sam, who runs U-Box speak to that for just a minute.
spk02: Sure, I'm happy to answer that Jamie. I think the question was, is the storage component of U-Box competitive advantage? No doubt about that, I'd agree with you. Now, is it why we're gaining share? That I think the answer to that is no. I would say if that would give us a grade on the moving segment of U-Box, I'd give us an A and on the storage segment of U-Box, I'd give us a C, but it just gives us massive opportunity going forward to shine. I'd say the competition's doing a better job on that relative to us, but I can tell you, storage at U-Haul, as you might imagine, is quite a focus, and so I've got a lot of support resources to take that C to the A that we know it should and could be. So thanks for your question.
spk07: Okay, and as we continue to build self-storage, you will always include an extra component for portable storage as well?
spk01: Not always, you gotta map this out. And probably the radius that a U-Box location serves is larger than the radius of customers that traditional self-storage serves. So we're using the opportunity when we build to build more self-storage to try to be strategic so we can make one project out of it and also expand our U-Box network. So if you look at the ones we're building currently, it's pretty close, maybe eight out of 10, okay? But we don't have a goal of going to a -to-one at all, Jimmy, is that would be more capacity than we think we can absorb. But right now, what we're building, I'm just gonna guess, but eight out of 10 of them, where we're putting in more storage, we're putting in U
spk07: -Box. Okay, next I wanna go to the value gap coherent between what you all is trading for and what it's worth. When I look at a competitor, say a CubeSmart, which has a similar revenue base than you, though it does not maintain your growth profile because you have added so much more fresh space than they have, they've got a $10 billion market cap on their self-storage, and it seems like we're not getting that credit force on our self-storage operation, which one would think our metrics for occupancy and rate are similar to theirs and margin are similar to theirs, so one would think our valuation for our self-storage would be similar to that. Can you talk about the value gap, and is that what is within a lot of the tri-ons of PowerPoint presentation for HEDR? Close that value gap.
spk01: Okay, I'll talk to it for a minute. Of course, right now, excess capacity is a drag. I can't give you the number, how do I, but it's a drag on earnings, obviously, we own the stuff, we're paying for it. And aggressive development is a drag, and both those things are just mathematically what comes out of that development, whether at the end of the day, this turns out to be a happy day or not is unknown until you get there. Of course, I think it's going to, or I wouldn't be pouring resources into it. As far as Mr. Peltz, I don't like to speak for him, and I don't like to have anything, is anything, I don't know, I could send you this presentation, Jamie, I don't know if that would work. I don't really, I don't want to speak for him. Okay,
spk07: and you talk about within self-storage that we're adding more spaces than we're filling, so in the short term, it really impacts earnings. One of the beautiful things about COVID was not only that we were able to increase occupancy rates in the existing locations, but it restricted our ability to open new locations, so there was much more of a balance in the near term between the costs of carrying newly open units and the filling of existing units. Do you think we'll ever get back to that balance so we can, as opposed to always,
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spk07: is going to be wonderful long-term, about 10 years to balance off the near term impact for opening so aggressively with new locations?
spk01: Well, I would expect it will ebb and flow is what I think now. There's still a lot of opportunity, and one of you all's stronger points is the threat of where we operate, so we're very active in Wyoming and Montana, and a lot of people kind of shrug their shoulders, and that's fine. We're already in Jillette, Wyoming, okay, so us going there with more products and services as long as it's proportional to the market is totally within scope, whereas you take one of our storage competitors, they have no reason to go to Jillette because they have no infrastructure and they would have to gear the whole thing up and marginally it would be a loser for them. You go to Northern New Jersey and they're all eager to get in there with more product. I just turned down some product in Northern New Jersey three weeks ago, because to me it looks like hardworking, overtaxed, I don't know what you want to call it, but the price is not worth it. Now, we'll see who's correct, nobody knows for sure, but I think there's plenty of places for us to expand. If you want to look out and say two years, I think there's plenty of places to expand over the next two years, and I want to get in them and be positioned for a 20 year or 30 year run out of them. They all make, you know, inflation of course has saved everybody in the self storage business. When I first was doing this, we were bringing product on for $7 a square foot, now we won't rent it for $7 a square foot a year. That was all in cost. Then at a point of bumping up to 15, we thought, boy, this is some pretty expensive storage, of course. You go look at those places now, they're selling for 135 a foot, same exact spot. And so inflation has really saved the self storage industry in my experience. Currently, we're going in at some pretty high costs, and units that are trading in the secondary market are still trading at very, very high multiples. You know, it's just, maybe that'll cool off some of this. We're in this, as you mentioned, for the long haul, and there's no reason for us to, in my mind, to shy away from going into a market so long as we're fairly confident that market's going to produce results over time. But it's a drag, it's a drag. As soon as you turn this tap off, in about 18 or 24 months, it looks like a different place on the financial statements. Jason could probably quantify that, but I mean, it just, it flips real quick as soon as you're not pouring more capital into it. Exactly,
spk07: exactly. I just wonder, A, if we slow the pace of capital that we put into it, so the percentage of new units is lower. And then on the corollary to that, you talk about New Jersey versus Wyoming, and it's easier to be a big player in a smaller pond than a small player in a big pond. And what would be the thought process of, given the valuations for self-storage in New Jersey, if we sold off a part of our existing mature facilities to be able to then take the capital to build on in areas with greater opportunity for profitability?
spk01: You could possibly do some financial jiggering, but what we have done, for better or worse, is most of these sites have you box, you haul, and you store there, and so you could conceivably do some partitioning and some kind of a wacky, selling a partial interest. We did a version of that with W.P. Carey, the deal finally, whatever you wanna call it, rolled over here just a year ago. So we have some experience with it. What it seems to get is a one-time pop, that's my experience. I get a one-time pop, and after that, of course the people who have the financial interests and assets, they try to wring every penny out of it. Okay, so I've done, at one point I was managing 100 other stores for other people, and I don't know, but I got six or eight pretty good lawsuits, alleging fraud or something of that nature. It's not as turmoil-less. Partitioning these things out is awkward, put it politely, but that's been our strategy is this combined presentation to the customer. So we've tried a couple different things and not seen anything that, trying to partition these assets that really helped very much, I guess.
spk07: Okay, thank you, Phil. We appreciate your time. You bet.
spk06: And once again, to ask a question, please press star one. One moment while we queue. And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I'm happy to return the call to management for closing comments.
spk04: Well, thanks so much, everyone, for your support. We look forward to speaking with you after we report earnings in February. Thank you.
spk06: This does conclude today's U-Haul Holding Company Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Investor Call. You may now disconnect your lines, and everyone, have a great day.
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