Universal Health Services, Inc.

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q2 2025 Universal Health Services Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask the question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Steve Filton, Executive Vice President and CFO. Please begin.

Thank you and good morning. Mark Miller is also joining us this morning. We both welcome you to this review of Universal Health Services results for the second quarter and to June 30, 2025. During the conference call, we'll be using words such as believes, expects, anticipates, estimates, and similar words that represent forecasts, projections, and forward-looking statements. For anyone not familiar with the risks and uncertainties inherent in these forward-looking statements, I recommend a careful reading of this section on risk factors and forward-looking statements and risk factors in our form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024, and our form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2025. We'd like to highlight just a couple of developments and business trends before opening the call up to questions. As discussed in our press release last night, the company reported net income attributable to UHS per diluted share of $5.43 for the second quarter of 2025. After adjusting for the impact of the items reflected on the supplemental schedule included with the press release, our adjusted net income attributable to UHS per diluted share was $5.35 for the quarter ended June 30, 2025. During the second quarter of 2025, on a same facility basis, adjusted admissions to our acute care hospitals increased .0% over the second quarter of the prior year, and surgical volumes were down slightly. Still, same facility net revenues in our acute care hospital segment increased by .7% during the second quarter of 2025 as compared to last year's second quarter, after excluding the impact of our insurance subsidiary. We note that West Henderson Hospital, which opened in late 2024, has had a certain cannibalization impact on the division's same facility volumes and revenues. Meanwhile, operating expenses continued to be well managed. Other operating expenses on the same facility basis increased .1% over last year's second quarter, again, after excluding the impact of our insurance subsidiary. For the second quarter of 2025, our solid acute care revenues combined with effective expense controls resulted in a 10% increase in same facility EBITDA. During the second quarter of 2025, excluding the impact of the Tennessee Medicaid Directive Payment Program, same facility net revenues at our behavioral health hospitals increased by 5.4%, driven by a .2% increase in revenue per adjusted day. Adjusted patient days were up .2% compared to the prior year's second quarter. Our cash generated from operating activities decreased by $167 million to $909 million during the first six months of 2025 as compared to $1.076 billion during the same period in 2024. We expect to collect the $58 million of Tennessee Directive Payment Program receivables in the third quarter. The new hospital in Las Vegas and the District of Columbia contributed $35 million to the receivable increase. In the first half of 2025, we spent $505 million on capital expenditures, 25% of which related to the two new splash replacement facilities in California and Florida, both set to open in the spring of 2026. During the first half of 2025, we also acquired $1.9 million of our own shares at a total cost of approximately $332 million. Since 2019, we have repurchased approximately 34% of the company's outstanding shares. As of June 30, 2025, we had approximately $1 billion of aggregate available borrowing capacity pursuant to our $1.3 billion revolving credit facility. The recently enacted One Beautiful Bill Act includes several significant changes in the Medicaid program, including changes to state-directed payment programs and provider taxes. Beginning with the 2028 state fiscal years and primarily phased in over a five-year period through 2032, these program changes will limit both the level of payment and the amount of provider tax assessment that states are permitted to utilize to finance the non-federal share of their respective Medicaid supplemental payments. The legislation provides for different limits depending on whether states have previously expanded their Medicaid eligible population as permitted under the Affordable Care Act. We cannot predict, among other things, that this legislation will ultimately be implemented as enacted or if certain states may attempt to implement countermeasures to mitigate its impact. Our current projected 2025 full-year net benefit from previously approved state Medicaid supplemental programs is approximately $1.2 billion. At this time, assuming no changes to our Medicaid revenues or other changes to related state or federal programs, we estimate that commencing with the 2028 state fiscal years, our aggregate net benefit will be reduced on an annually increasing and relatively pro-lata basis by approximately $360 to $400 million in 2032. Given the various uncertainties, including the evolving -by-state interpretations and computations related to the legislation, our forecasted estimates are subject to change potentially by material amounts. Our future operating results, potentially starting in 2026, may also be impacted by other factors which are more difficult to predict, such as the impact of Medicaid work requirements, which may decrease Medicaid enrollment, and factors that could unfavorably impact insurance exchange enrollment such as the scheduled expiration of insurance exchange subsidies. I'll now turn the call over to Mark Miller, President and CEO, for closing comments.

Thanks, Steve. So, based primarily on the increased DPP reimbursement, we are increasing our midpoint of our 2025 EPS guidance by 7% to $20.50 per diluted share, up from $19.20 per diluted share previously. Medicaid supplemental programs in Washington, D.C., and other potential programs that are not yet fully approved, are not included in our revised guidance. We remain pleased with the performance of West Henderson Hospital, which produced a positive EBIDA in the second quarter. At the same time, we acknowledge the significant drag created by the recently opened Cedar Hill Regional Medical Center in Washington, D.C. Timing of hospital certification and other startup issues proved a bit more challenging than we anticipated, but demand, especially for emergency services, has been very encouraging. Although recovery to expected results will continue into the back half of this year, we remain confident in the positive long-term prospects for the facility that prompted our development partnership with the District of Columbia. DeNovo growth continues in our behavioral segment. We recently opened a 96-bed behavioral hospital in Grand Rapids, Michigan, which is a joint venture with Trinity Health Michigan, and a 41-bed substance use disorder and dual diagnosis treatment center

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Pleasant, South Carolina. In addition, we are developing a 144-bed behavioral health hospital in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, which is a joint venture with the Lehigh Valley Health Network and is expected to open later this year, as well as a 120-bed behavioral health hospital in Independence, Missouri, which is expected to open in late 2026. In addition, we are also continuing to grow our CigNet behavioral health network in the UK, which has added six new facilities and 137 beds so far this year. At this time, we're pleased to answer your questions.

Certainly. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again and please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. And our first question will be coming from Pito Chikurin of Doce Bank. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys, and thanks for taking my questions. I just want to circle back on, I think you said, $360 to $400 million of net impact in 2032 with a current law in place. I just want to make sure that those numbers make sense. And if we're talking about, you know, sort of losing sort of, you know, $380 million, sort of EBITDA over that time period, you know, just curious, you know, what your views are to offset that with core ops and how you view that impacting you. And what's your core growth rate with those headwinds?

Yeah, so, you know, Pito, obviously those reductions don't begin, as we know, materially until 2028. So, you know, we certainly have time to think about strategically how we might alter our business approach, particularly in the behavioral business where, you know, we can alter the structure of our programs, you know, not necessarily cater to as many Medicaid centric programs, et cetera. You know, additionally, obviously there could be, as, you know, we noted in the remarks, new DPP programs approved during that time. And finally, well, not even not finally, but I think it's also possible, as we noted in our remarks, that some of the changes are not, you know, ultimately implemented. You know, we believe or some have speculated that Congress, you know, particularly extended these cuts for a period of time to give it some room to come back and tweak if they had to. But if the cuts remain in place and are enacted as the bill lays out, you know, we certainly feel like there are things that we can do both from, again, shifting revenue, sort of sources of revenues, particularly in the behavioral division, cost cutting initiatives, et cetera. And, you know, I'll remind you, I know some of our peers have made the same point five years ago when the pandemic hit and did so with very little notice. We specifically, and we as an industry, pivoted fairly quickly and fairly dramatically in terms of headcount reductions, capital spending reductions, et cetera, and a whole host of initiatives to react to what at the time was an, you know, an extremely dramatic and largely unexpected reduction in revenues. So, you know, again, I think we have great confidence in our ability to shift and be flexible, especially with several years of notice and preparation that we'll have this time around.

Let me just add on. Let me, Peter, let me add on to this as well. So Steve laid out in his prepared remarks, you know, the worst case scenario, and which we obviously, you know, want to be transparent. And that's what the numbers are today. I don't expect that that's what will happen in a number of ways. So Steve mentioned a couple of things that will pivot and will make moves that are necessary. In talking with all of the folks down in DC, representatives from many of the states that we cover, they are starting to recognize even right now what they passed simply can't be left as is because we affect on some of the health care programs in their states and not just at a place like UHS, but these not for profit hospitals in their states could be detrimental. So they're already talking about what needs to be done to make sure that programs aren't closing shifts aren't taken, things like that. So I fully expect that this is a floor that is a well, it is what it is today. But but I expect this will get better. We anticipate that there will be changes made because we think they have to be so well, I think this is a worst case scenario. Again, I'll point out he mentioned 2028 Steve did and 2032. We're going to do a lot to make sure that we don't hit these numbers that we just talked about. So I just wanted to give a little context and perspective to that.

Right. I think so much then for a follow up here looking at the behavioral. Can you sort of talk about the split between the hospital patient days behavioral versus outpatient for what you saw this quarter, what you assumed the back half year and kind of how you're going to be improving the outpatient side behavioral. Thanks so much.

Yeah, so you know, in the table towards the back of the press release, you know, we disclose year over year growth in a DC and then of course in the body of the press release, we disclose adjusted patient days, adjusted patient days have grown faster in the second quarter than than on adjusted patient days, indicating that outpatients growing faster than than inpatient, which was not the case in Q1. We talked about that at some length in the first quarter. We talked about our focus on on outpatient growth. And I think as we think about getting closer to the two and a half to three percent adjusted patient day target that we've been talking about for some time, I think we believe that that growth and outpatient is a significant opportunity for us. A number of the insurance companies, as they've been talking about their increase in medical loss ratios have pointed to the increase in spending on behavioral care. And while they don't provide this level of detail, we believe that a significant chunk of that increase is in outpatient. And, you know, we are determined to get a larger share of that. I'll call it outpatient pie as we go forward. So so focus on outpatient or not. We've talked about this, I think, in our last couple of conference calls is a significant focus of ours made some progress in Q2 and anticipate making further progress in the back half of the year and quite frankly, years to come after that.

Thank you. In one moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Andrew Moffat Barkley. Your line is open, Andrew.

Hi, good morning. Question on Cedar Hill. You called out twenty five million dollars of startup losses in the quarter. Can you update us on the latest accreditation status of that hospital? What's baked into guidance for the back half of the year? And how are you thinking about the ramp to mature profitability now?

Thanks. Yeah, so again, I think our mistake when it comes to Cedar Hill was we were too optimistic about how quickly we'd obtain Medicare certification. And, you know, just as a little bit background for people who may not fully understand until the hospital gets what's called deemed status of Medicare certification, they're not able to bill for collect from Medicare. And a number of commercial payers generally follow that. Honestly, and usually Medicaid follows that. In the case of Cedar Hill specifically, we've already gotten the District of Columbia to agree to pay us back to when they deemed us to be ready for the Joint Commission Survey, which results in Medicare certification. So we have been getting paid for Medicare for Medicaid rather.

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awaiting the Joint Commission Survey, we believe it is imminent, could occur this week, and we hopefully occur next week. Once we get that certification, then that becomes the effective date that we're able to bill. It'll take us some time to get the bills out and collect, but that becomes the effective date. The delicate balance that a facility goes through in these early times is we're not necessarily trying to promote all the surgical, elective, procedural business that we might otherwise, because we're not necessarily getting paid for. So most of the activity at the facility right now is emergency room activity, which is, I think Mark noted in his comments, has been quite busy and encouraging that there is great demand for the hospital in this location. But once we get our certification, we'll begin to build up more surgical and procedural volume and round out services that are being offered by the hospital. So we have the $25 million loss or EBITDA drag in Q2 embedded in our guidance in the back half of the year is another $25 million drag for the back half of the year. So some improvement. But recognizing that there'll be a ramp up once we get our certification. And then I think the general sense is that by the time we get to 2026, the facility will be back on a course of ramping up to kind of divisional wide profitability after 12 or 18 months of additional operations.

Great. Maybe just a quick follow up on that. Like outside of the discrete items related to state directed payments in Cedar Hill, the EBITDA guidance looks largely unchanged. One, do I have that right? And two, what are the offsetting positives allowing you to keep the underlying EBITDA intact despite the soft behavioral quarter? Thanks.

Yeah, so I think if you go through the math, there's roughly $185 million of new DPP revenues in that $1.2 billion that I alluded to earlier from our last disclosure last quarter. All setting that is roughly $50 million in the Cedar Hill drag in the 25 in the second quarter and the 25 in the back half of the year. And then a bit more of a drag in terms of scaling back our behavioral projections for the back half of the year largely because we are falling short of that volume target that was originally embedded in our guidance. I mean, those are basically the significant pieces of the guidance revision.

Great. Thank you.

In one moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Jason Casola of Guggenheim. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just a piggyback on the outpatient behavioral commentary. I mean, you were talking about getting a bigger share of the outpatient pie. I guess how would you see that unfolding? Is this more de novo build out? You've got less than two times leverage ratio currently. You've talked about a number of de novo builds and JVs in your prepared remarks. I guess just hoping you can give us any color on a pathway to grabbing more outpatient share. Thanks.

Yeah, we've talked about this, I think, in some detail in the last couple of calls, but happy to sort of read this as the issue. Generally, we generate outpatient revenues in behavioral in two very broad ways. One is step down business. We refer to it as step down business. These are patients who are inpatients in our facilities, but when they are discharged, they require further less intense care and will go into programs that we either describe as intensive outpatient or partial hospitalization. Often those programs are offered by us on our campus, etc. As you might expect, we control or are able to refer many of those patients to our own programs, although many of them also leave and go elsewhere. We're focused on keeping as many of those patients in our programs, both because we think clinically that's most effective for them. There's a lot of continuity with our medical professionals, etc. That's something that we can do immediately and just do a better job of controlling that patient flow. The other aspect of outpatient revenue and behavioral is what we describe as step in business. These are patients who enter the behavioral system in an outpatient program. Very often it's a freestanding outpatient program not located on the campus of an acute behavioral hospital. We have found that there's a large number of patients who are often not comfortable with their first experience in behavioral care being on the campus of an acute behavioral hospital. We are establishing a larger footprint in freestanding behavioral hospitals that are located generally not on the campuses of our existing hospitals. The capital investment in those outpatient facilities is not great. They're generally leased facilities in a storefront or that sort of setting. Maybe there's a million dollars of capital on average in each of those. The bigger issue is just really staffing them with the therapist and creating a flow of patients. We intend to open 10 to 15 of those new outpatient facilities a year over the next several years and increase our presence both in the step in business and do a better job in the step down business.

Okay,

got it. Thanks. Helpful. Maybe just as a follow up, for the acute care business, can you talk about volume growth trends across payer cohorts in the quarter? What type of volume growth you saw for commercial, Medicare, Medicaid, exchange? If payer mix was a benefit in the quarter, would you expect that where your payer mix came in this quarter, would you expect that to persist at least through the remainder of this year or are there puts and takes? Any color would be helpful.

Thanks. Yeah, what I would first say is that we said in our prepared remarks that acute care revenue exclusive or insurance city area grew by .7% year over year in the second quarter. That's pretty much spot on with what our guidance presumed. We talked about 5, 6, 7% acute care revenue growth, so 6% at the midpoint. We're kind of running right there, I think, without the cannibalization of our same facility revenues that we're getting from West Henderson. We'd be right there, maybe in the low sixes. So we're, I think, kind of right where we thought. In the second quarter, I think we were skewed a little bit more to pricing than to volume. But, you know, generally spot on. To your point, I think the pricing benefit in Q2 was a bit payer mix driven, as I think a number of our peers have commented as well. We saw a little bit less Medicaid volume and a little bit more commercial exchange volume in particular. And I think that drove somewhat more favorable pricing. But again, I'll make the point that we probably were a little less bullish about how some of the we considered, you know, sort of extraordinary acute care revenue growth numbers that we and others have been putting up over the last several years would start to moderate. I think that's been true in the first half of this year. And so in our minds, the acute business is sort of growing, you know, very much in line with our expectations. Okay, great. Thank you.

Thank you. And our next question will be coming from Benjamin Rossi of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question here. So behavioral pricing continue to outperform during the quarter and growing just under 7% for the first half of the year versus your original growth range that you previously outlined in the 4 to 5% range. Is there any way to frame the breakdown here between rates, acuity and contributions from incremental supplemental payments? And then what does your back-up guidance contemplate regarding growth as you progress towards your now revised goals on the volume side?

So in our prepared remarks, I said that excluding the Tennessee impact and we exclude Tennessee because I think that's an incremental benefit in the quarter. We don't exclude the other $43 million of DPP in the quarter because if you go back to the second quarter of last year, there was a $35 million unexpected benefit in the states of Washington and Idaho. And so those two in our minds offset. But excluding the Tennessee direct payment, we say that revenue has increased by .4% and that's basically broken down between a .2% increase in pricing and a .2% increase in adjusted patient days. As you know, we said in our guidance that pricing, we assumed would be in that 4 to 5% range. We've generally been outpacing that. The second quarter moderated a little bit. But I would say that 4 to 5% is what we believe the sustainable pricing growth in behavioralism, at least for the intermediate term. And the .2% volume growth is what we think or where we think is the opportunity to improve, particularly again on the outpatient side of things.

Great. Appreciate the color. This is a follow up. Taking a look at your average length of stay in acute, seeing that down both annually and on a financial basis. Just walk us through some of the drivers of that deceleration and maybe where you see room to bring that down further. And then have you seen any variation in length of stay trends across your payer classes between Medicaid, Medicare and commercial, particularly among your exchange populations?

Yeah, I mean, obviously, length of stay peaked during the pandemic when it was driven much higher by the high acuity of COVID patients in particular, and it's been coming down steadily since then. I think we believe that there still is some room for length of stay to be further reduced. I think probably the biggest challenge we have in reducing length of stay further is placement of patients into subacute facilities that could be skilled nursing facilities, nursing homes, home health programs. Often there is a sort of a scarcity or a lack of availability in those programs. I don't know that it really varies by payer. I think sometimes it's an obstacle for us because the payers don't have all of the subacute providers in a geography in their networks, and that can be challenging. But yeah, I mean, I think we continue to believe that length of stay has some room, I'm not going to say material amount, but some incremental room to improve from where it currently is.

Great, appreciate the comment.

And our next question will be coming from Craig Hattenbach of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open, Craig.

Yes, thank you. Just following up on behavioral, and I know this then kind of back and forth with the payers on kind of price and access. I'm just curious on just a longer term basis, do you think some of that normalizes in terms of the contribution between volume and price, or how are you thinking about that?

So I think what we've consistently said is that the way we think about the long term model of the behavioral business is that 6%, 7%, 8%, I'll call it 7% at the midpoint, is the reasonably expected revenue growth rate. And that would be made up of 4% to 5% price and .5% to 3% volume. And we've generally been hitting those price targets, and frankly in most periods exceeding the price targets, it's the volume that has been the bugaboo for us. So we've improved, as I said, from the first quarter and expect improvement in the back half of the year. But again, I'll call it that 6.5%, 7% revenue growth skewed a little bit more to pricing than to volume as sort of being the model that we're expecting in the behavioral business for I'll call it the intermediate future.

Got it. And appreciate all the color and detail on the one big, beautiful bill in terms of impact. When I think about potential offsets, how are you thinking about just kind of leveraging technology and AI? Where are things today and how could that kind of ramp as a potential offset in the coming years?

Sure. I mean, obviously it is always our goal to be as efficient and productive as possible. And to the degree that technology, whether that's AI or other kinds of technology, can help us do that. We're certainly open to that. The AI discussion, I think, could be a whole separate discussion and a separate call. But I'll just briefly say that we're experimenting with uses of AI and things like revenue cycle, where certain tasks like denial management and denial appeals, etc. We know that the payers for some time have been using AI to generate things like denials and patient status changes, etc. And I think we're developing countermeasures to that using AI more productively, etc. Then I think humans can actually do that. From a clinical perspective, one of the early experiments we've done is using AI to follow up with patients on their post discharge instructions. So an AI generated entity will call a patient and make sure that they've followed up with the appropriate doctor appointments and they filled their prescriptions. And they're following their diet, whatever the post discharge instructions are. And we have found in the early stages that that's been very well received and efficient. And again, it frees up a clinical person, generally a nurse, who would otherwise be making that call. So, yeah, I mean, I think that AI and technology tools in general are certainly one way that we envision becoming more productive over the next several years.

Thank you.

In one moment for our next question, our next question will be coming from AJ Rice of UBS. Your line is open AJ.

Thanks. Hi, everybody. Maybe a couple questions first on obviously the managed care space has been quite disrupted the last few years and culminating this year. Just wondering if you see that impacting discussions with the MCOs at all on either Medicare, Banach, commercial, whatever. And I'd ask that from the behavioral perspective and the commercial perspective, you know, where are you at? Is rate updates consistent terms that you're seeing being asked for the percent of business getting done for this year, next year, and the following year?

AJ, I mean, I think, you know, our experience has been, in the image that you've been alluded to in some previous questions, on the behavioral side, we've gotten pretty strong managed care increases over the last several years. Largely, I think, because the payers, you know, are struggling with access to behavioral facilities. I think there's a scarcity, particularly of in-nation behavioral beds, that payers are challenged by. Where I think, you know, we probably feel the impact of the managed care industry's challenges the most is in sort of a -to-day revenue cycle interactions we have with payers. You know, we can, we, I don't know that we've seen an enormous increase in the level of denials or patient status changes, but if you talk to anybody who works in, you know, our revenue cycle and either behavioral or acute, they'll just describe to you what is sort of a daily slog of having to, you know, counter aggressive behavior on the part of payers all the time and denials and denial appeals and patient status changes, that sort of thing. We've invested, I think, a lot. We've had some pretty significant third-party consulting reviews of our revenue cycle practices to allow us to improve people, process technology, so that, you know, we're trying to, you know, be able to counter the payers in sort of the aggressive behavior we have found in those areas. I don't know that it's incrementally more, you know, materially different than it has been, but it's certainly been this way for some time now.

Okay, maybe just also ask you about labor. Any updated thoughts on both lines of business with respect to things like wage, rent, contract, labor, turnover, etc. And I know particularly with behavioral, your biggest challenge you talk about in trying to get back to your, or get to your growth targets there has seemed to be getting the staffing. Any update or thought on that?

Yeah, so I mean, I think from a labor or wage inflation perspective, obviously wage inflation has decelerated significantly from its peaks during the pandemic. Maybe decelerated is not the right choice of words, but it's accelerating at a much lower rate than it has been during the high of the pandemic. I think we find that in both of our segments. I think we find the use of temporary traveling nurses to be lower again in both segments. But you are correct that, you know, we continue in the behavioral business in certain geographies, in certain markets to be hampered or for at least our volumes to be hampered by our inability to hire all the staff that we need. And it's not, it's often nurses, but sometimes that could be therapists. Therapists I mentioned earlier could be, or hiring a therapist could be an obstacle to building out outpatient. But it also can even be the non-professional people, the people we call mental health technicians. So we've done a great deal in the last several years to improve our recruiting. But also, and I think almost probably more importantly, to recruit while retention to make sure that when we hire people, they feel properly trained, we feel that they're properly trained to maximize the safety and quality of care to our patients. But also to, you know, for them to feel comfortable in delivering that care and so that they're wanting to stay at the facility for longer periods of time, et cetera, longer tenure, resulting longer tenure employees. So we continue to do that now. And it remains a challenge. It's still a tight labor market. And again, I do think while it is not the pervasive issue that it was at the height of the pandemic, staffing scarcity, it continues to be an issue in some markets and some geographies.

Okay, maybe just if I can squeeze one more in there. On your DPP comments, I know a lot of states or there are some states scrambling to still get credit under the big beautiful bill before the window shuts. And Washington, D.C. was a big one for you that was still pending any update there. And then with respect to your long term impact of the big beautiful bill, you said 380 million exposure. Any way to break that down between acute and behavioral exposure? Yeah,

so the 380 is about or then the midpoint of the range that we gave, which is 380, is about 60% behavioral and 40% acute. As far as your other question about other programs, the D.C. program has been pending approval for a number of months now. We don't necessarily have any inside information. We do get sort of periodic updates from the district itself or the district provides it to the hospital association and we get through them. And they say they continue to have ongoing conversations with CMS, which I think is fairly typical, meaning CMS asks them questions, they ask for data, they provide it. They sometimes reach out to us, the hospitals, for help in providing that data. We provide the data. The district continues to believe that the program that they've submitted meets the criteria of CMS in other programs that have been previously approved. And they continue to expect the program to be approved, although they don't really estimate a time frame. There are other states that we understand have either submitted preprints or can't do. I think it's worth noting that the bill doesn't preclude new programs. It just suggests that any new programs after the passage of the bill are subject to the caps in the bill, whether they're the provider tax caps or the reimbursement caps. But it's entirely possible that there are states who can still submit new programs even now that the bill hasn't been passed.

Okay. All right. Thanks so much.

And our next question will be coming from Matthew Gilmer of KeyBank. Your line is open, Matthew.

Hey, thanks. Steve, you made a comment about West Henderson cannibalizing some of the same store growth on the acute side. Are you able to quantify what that impact would be or just give us some sense for the drag on the same store?

Yeah, hard to do in an absolute precise way, Matthew. But I think the way we look at it is we look at the zip codes that West Henderson is getting patients from and sort of try and triangulate and say, you know, these are the likely zip codes that prior to West Henderson opening would have gone to either Henderson Hospital or one of our other hospitals. You know, we think that that impact is maybe 50, 60 basis points from a adjusted mission perspective and kind of a similar impact on revenues. You know, again, best guess, you know, that's not a perfect or, you know, completely precise estimate, but that's our best guess.

And then following up on some of the expense management discussion, I wanted to see if there was anything to report with respect to professional fees and physician expenses. I think you had most recently said that you were expecting that to be up five percent and it was stable. But just curious, so there's any progress there or sort of incremental pressures with certain specialties?

Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, as you described it in our guidance, we assume that after fairly dramatic increases in those physician expenses in the last couple of years, that our assumption in 2025 was that they would increase by, you know, roughly the overall inflation rate, you know, five or six percent, something like that. And I think that's been the case. You know, we continue to feel pressure from, you know, different physician groups around the country. I think, you know, a number of our peers have suggested that after the initial pressures over the last several years have come from your doctors and anesthesiologists. More recently, we're seeing more radiologists asking for increased subsidy, something that, quite frankly, we hadn't seen in years. We've seen that same dynamic, although we've been able to continue to operate within that sort of, you know, five percent growth dynamic that's not really changed.

Thank

you. And our next question will be coming from Sarah James of Cantor Fitzgerald. Sarah, your line is open.

Thank you. You've talked a lot about the opportunity for growth in outpatient behavioral. Given what that implies for mix is two and a half to three percent adjusted admission for behavioral while you still the right long term target or the right target for 25, given the year to date performance. And can you speak to how inpatient behavioral specifically has been doing year to date versus your expectations?

Yeah, I mean, so I think obviously what we're seeing, I think, in behavioral is payers trying to shift more patients from the inpatient setting to the outpatient setting. Obviously, that's a dynamic that we've certainly not knew. We've seen it in the acute space for, you know, a decade or two already. It's not new to the behavioral space either. But I think there's more of an emphasis on it. And to be fair, I think, you know, our business has been an invasion centric business for most of its history. We have always had an outpatient presence, but I don't know that our focus has been as intense as it is currently in part to take advantage of that shift. So I think that one of the reasons why it has been difficult for us to reach that two and a half to three percent target that has been elusive. And we certainly acknowledge it's been elusive is that there's been a shift to outpatient and we've been not necessarily capturing what I would describe as our fair share of that outpatient business. Our focus has clearly changed. You know, like I said, we've seen sequential improvement from Q1 to Q2, both in overall adjusted patient days, but specifically in outpatient. I think we believe we'll continue to see improvement over the balance of the year and do believe that over the long term that two and a half to three percent adjusted patient day growth target is a reasonable target for this business. That the demand is there. We just have to be able to service it in the right setting with the right staff, et cetera.

Thank you. And our next question will be coming from Ryan Langston of TD Cohen. Your line is open, Ryan.

Great, thanks. Appreciate your commentary on the West Henderson Hospital, but maybe can you just more broadly give us an update how Nevada and the Las Vegas markets are doing in terms of volume trends, pay or mix, any other data you're able to share?

Yeah, I mean, I think we've seen a little bit of slowdown in our Nevada volumes. There's been, I think, you know, a great deal written in recent months about the overall Nevada economy and Las Vegas economy slowing down a bit. You know, we're seeing some impact from that. But as I said, you know, even if you exclude the cannibalization from West Henderson or just exclude West Henderson's ER volumes, like our overall ER volumes are up slightly, you know, not by a great deal. But yeah, I mean, you know, Vegas's performance was still very solid. And while West Henderson's performance is extremely positive, we are seeing a little bit of pressure from some of the economic softness in the market.

Okay, great. Just one follow-up. You know, net leverage continues to come down even with the increases at least year over year in share repose and capital spending. I guess, can you remind us how we should think about capital deployment strategy and if we should maybe just expect this to continue to come down through the back half of the year?

Thanks. Yeah, so in our initial 2025 guidance, you know, we got into a share repurchase number in the six to seven hundred million dollar range. And that was really the free cash flow that we were anticipating in that original guidance. Obviously, the revised guidance presumes a higher level of free cash flow. And I think it's reasonable to assume that that incremental free cash flow will likely be dedicated to an elevated level of share repurchase. It's possible that, you know, as we evaluate what we think to be, you know, a pretty compelling share price at the moment, you know, that will decide to be even more aggressive from a share repurchase perspective. But, you know, again, at a minimum, I think it's at least safe to assume that as our free cash flow increases, that incremental amount will be dedicated to additional share repurchase.

Thank you. And one moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Michael Ha. Beard, your line is open,

Mike. Thank you. Sort of a follow up to Peter's question. So it sounds like you're very confident in finding the offsets of the DPP headwinds after 2032. We just wanted to fully, clearly confirm that we should be thinking about behavioral health, long term margin targets as unchanged. All that recent strength in behavioral margins pricing should remain resilient, durable, even in the face of this gradual headwind. And basically, do you still believe over time you can get back to those sort of high 20s margins from a decade ago? And I know there's no immediate rush, but curious if you have any early sense on timeline when you look to have the mitigation plan with all the offset leverage fully fleshed out?

Yeah, I mean, obviously, Michael, I think people are asking very specific questions about a period that doesn't begin for three years and doesn't end until eight years from now. Difficult to project. I think what we've tried to express in our commentary is that particularly on the behavioral side, which is really, I think, the thrust of your question, we do have the ability to shift programming and to shift sort of targeted patient programs in certain places and certain geographies where maybe we're seeing the DPP impacts the greatest. But we have plenty of time to do that. And frankly, one of the challenges we have is to do the timing right. So in other words, we're not seeing those reductions for several years. It doesn't make sense for us to all of a sudden exit Medicaid centric programs when Medicaid reimbursement over the next several years will remain at current level. So we're going to have to time that out right, et cetera. But yeah, I mean, I think what we tried to express and I think what our peers have tried to express is that I think as for profit providers, especially, we have proven, you know, in a number of instances, I think most recently with the challenges of the pandemic to be quite nimble and flexible and willing and able to adjust our business, you know, for some pretty significant challenges and that, you know, we're confident with the time period that we have to prepare that we'll be able to do that in this case as well.

Got it. Thank you. And just a follow up question. Sorry. Another policy one, but as it relates to work requirements in twenty seven, just given the outside procedural disenrollment that we've seen from redetermination, but with work requirements, I know, and still they're very focused on it. But from a provider perspective, it's lives were to drop off and they're ineligible for subsidized marketplace coverage that prevents an offset and catches that the extent that actually ends up driving up the uninsured and provider bad debt over the coming years. I'm just curious. I level how you're thinking about the potential ripple effects of Medicaid work requirements on the UHS. And are there any things that you guys can do as a provider to maybe even help sort of bridge that gap for that practically engage your own Medicaid patients to sort of improve member retention? Thank you.

Yeah, so again, you know, I don't know that there's lots of different estimates about how many patients might be removed from the Medicaid roles as a result of work requirements and quite frankly, who those patients are. You know, obviously the bill and you know, the narrative around the bill was that, you know, they were largely eliminating young, healthy, particularly male patients. If that's really the group that, you know, and I'm not enough of a Medicaid expert to speak to this fluently, but if that's really the group being eliminated, I don't know that that's a group that has utilized our services in great numbers. You know, to be fair on the acute side, most of our Medicaid business comes through the emergency rooms as most of our uninsured business does. And there's not a great deal we can do. I mean, there are ways that we can effectively manage that business or manage that business more effectively. And we'll certainly focus on that. But for the most part, we have to take the patients that come to us. Again, I'll make the point that on the behavioral side, we have more optionality in the patients that we're able to take and we have to take the patients that come to us. And if patients, you know, generally don't have insurance, they usually find their way to other settings rather than our hospitals. You can just tell that from our uncompensated care load in the behavioral segment, which is dramatically less than it is in the acute segment. So, you know, in terms of referral sources, in terms of the programs that we stress, etc., we have the ability to be flexible in terms of, you know, targeting, you know, patient groups, etc., that are more preferable from our perspective. And certainly we'll do that as this plays out. But as we look at it, you know, on a forward looking basis, it's difficult to predict with precision how many of these patients there are going to be and what the characteristics of that patient population is going to look like.

And our next question will be coming from Kevin Fishbeck of Bank of America. Kevin, your line is open.

Great, thanks. I just want to try to get a little more color on the weakness in the behavioral business, you know, because it sounds like you're saying you're not getting your fair share. So is there a competition out there? Is that what's driving the weakness in volumes or is it still more of the staffing and other issues that have historically kind of been the issue there?

Yeah, so what I tried to say earlier, Kevin, is, you know, in terms of the step down patients, the patients that we discharge, we do capture a good share of those, but there are still a good number of those patients who go elsewhere. And we probably can be more effective in the control of those patients in large part because I think we believe that the care they'll receive and the continuity of care that they'll receive at our facility is greater than they will elsewhere. But yeah, I mean, on what we describe as the step in business, more of the freestanding business, yes, there are a lot of other entities out there of all sorts, large, small, etc., that offer the same kind of care. And we have a lot of services and we just have not, you know, historically really competed aggressively in that space. And, you know, we'll do some more in the future. We do have advantages. We have relationships with payers. We have relationships with referral sources, long standing relationships that some of these newer and smaller providers just don't have. But staffing and therapists are an issue as well in these settings. You know, a lot of therapists, you know, have been working, you know, more remotely in more recent years, etc. And so competition for therapists is also intense. So there's not a single reason that I think our outpatient has not grown as much as we think it should. But I think more important, you know, most importantly, our focus on this is going to enable us to grow, you know, at a faster pace in the coming periods than we have in the last few periods.

Yeah, I guess maybe if you could just expand on that, because I guess like, you know, staffing and things are things that you kind of should have had, I guess, had a view on as to where you would be at this point this year. And so we think about the guidance reduction itself and kind of what you thought coming into the year now, what you think volumes will look like. Is it that it has incrementally been harder to staff or something's gone on there or has it been the competition or maybe slower progress in some of the initiatives that you were thinking about doing? And then to that and whatever the answer is, what, if anything, are you doing differently for 2026? Try and get that back to two to three. Thanks.

Sure. I feel like it's a little bit redundant. I think we've addressed this. Yeah, I think it's all those things. I think, you know, we're building and creating more capacity, which we didn't have, so that's new capacity. We're focused on our, you know, sort of discharge and referral processes for patients who were, you know, being discharged from our facilities. We're trying to focus more on recruitment and retention effectiveness, doing all those things. And, you know, that are challenging, but, you know, did improve quarter over quarter and we expect will improve further in the back half of the year.

Thanks.

And our next question will be coming from Joshua Raskin of Nefron Research. Your line is open.

Hi, thanks. I know you talked about this a little bit, Steve, but I'm just curious on the, you know, sort of AI and, you know, the technology that you're using the RCM side. Are those internal investments or are you using external vendors more often now? And then is that impacting sort of the coding and patient acuity sort of like the, you know, is that why we're seeing on the pricing or the revenue per admin side?

Yeah, so I think it's a combination, Josh. I mean, we've publicly disclosed our investment in Hippocratic AI, which is a company dedicated to the development of AI applications in healthcare. We also have relied on some vendors you talked about coding. We've used AI, an AI vendor or a vendor that uses AI technology for coding in our emergency rooms. And I don't know that that's resulted in necessarily increased or elevated coding, but I think it's resulted in increased efficiency, you know, taking a relatively routine task and allowing it to be, you know, taken care of in a more efficient way. So it's a combination. I think, you know, we've used some outside vendors. We're also, you know, investing and working closely with a company that's developing new AI technology. We're doing some things on our own. So I think it's a combination of us trying to take advantage and quite frankly, you know, some of the technology, some of the new technologies, and we've talked about this, I think, a little bit before, like patient rounding technology, which is not necessarily AI, but it's sort of like an Apple Watch kind of technology where patients wear that sort of device and we're able to track them and their location more closely and how often they're checked on and those sort of things. All those things, I think, result in greater efficiency and also, honestly, you know, greater patient safety and quality of care.

Yeah, perfect. And then just last quick one. I know we talked about this last quarter as well, but tariffs, any updated thoughts on potential impact from tariffs?

Not really. We haven't seen, you know, any sort of material impact from tariffs and have not necessarily sort of been told by our GPO or even by, you know, any significant vendors that significant increases in supply expense are on the horizon. So, you know, obviously the tariffs, the negotiations at the highest levels, you know, continue and, you know, we'll have to see how that all sorts out, but it has had little impact on our business to date.

Thank you.

And operator, we're going to have to make this our last question. We have another commitment at the top of the hour.

Certainly. Our last question will be coming from Raj Kumar of Stevens. Your line is open, Raj.

Hey, thanks. Excuse me. And just one from the policy perspective, just kind of thinking about the proposed elimination of the inpatient only list. Maybe kind of walk us through the puts and takes for UHS and then kind of maybe what your view is on the potential impacts from an inpatient admissions growth perspective and overall rate growth perspective over the next few years as that, you know, policy gets potentially phased in.

Yeah, it's difficult to say. And I think what you're referring to is, you know, sort of a number of the site neutrality proposals and they differ. And, you know, the devil is always in the details. You know, the industry broadly, writ large, you know, is lobbying hard and making the point that it's been subject to some pretty significant cuts, many of which we've already discussed at some length. So we'll see. I mean, I think it's difficult for us to sort of project what the impact is until we know what the details of a specific bill would be.

Thank you.

I'd like to thank everybody for their time and I look forward to speaking with everybody again next quarter.

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