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spk12: Good day, and welcome to the Vistra First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Eric Misik, VP, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk01: Good morning, and thank you all for joining Vistra's Investor Webcast discussing our first quarter of 2024 results. Our discussion today is being broadcast live from the Investor Relations section of our website at www.vistracorp.com. There you can also find copies of today's investor presentation and earnings release. Leading the call today are Jim Burke, Vistra's President and Chief Executive Officer, and and Chris Moldovan, Vistra's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They are joined by other Vistra senior executives to address questions during the second part of today's call as necessary. Earnings released, presentation, and other matters discussed on the call today include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of the most directly comparable GAAP measures are provided in the earnings release and in the appendix to the investor presentation available in the investor relations section of Vistra's website. Also, today's discussion contains forward-looking statements which are based on assumptions we believe to be reasonable only as of today's date. Such forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied. We assume no obligation to update forward-looking statements. I encourage all listeners to review the safe harbor statements included on slide two of the investor presentation on our website that explain the risks of forward-looking statements, the limitations of certain industry and market data included, in the presentation and the use of non-GAAP financial measures. I will now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Jim Burke.
spk09: Thank you, Eric. I appreciate all of you taking the time to join our first quarter 2024 results call. This call is taking place in conjunction with a major milestone for Vistra, namely the first day of inclusion of our stock in the S&P 500. I want to recognize the hard work of our Vistra team and the support and patience exhibited by our shareholders as this is a result of both strong execution over time, bolstered by improving market dynamics in the power sector. We are pleased to be included in the index and excited about the future prospects for Vistra and its stakeholders. Turning to slide five, before we cover the positive results for the quarter, it's worth noting that we see a significant increase in Vistra's long-term outlook. Our team's been hard at work to ensure Vistra's best position for the increasing power demand fundamentals while providing reliable, affordable, and sustainable power to our customers. Continuing the theme of execution, our integration teams were hard at work during this quarter. With the closing of our acquisition of Energy Harbor on March 1st, we were ready on day one to unify under the Vistra name and welcome our new colleagues. The core theme throughout the integration process has been one team, And we believe that is crucial to a sustainable high performance organization. The sites are working closely with each other to share best practices and create a culture of continuous improvement. As a result, the teams identified the potential for several operational and performance improvements throughout the nuclear fleet. As Chris will cover later, including the expected financial benefits of these improvements and the additional synergies we've identified, We now expect the run rate adjusted EBITDA contribution from Energy Harbor to exceed $1.1 billion beginning in 2026. Turning to the other key priorities, we continue to execute on our capital return plan put in place during the fourth quarter of 2021. Since that time, we've returned to our investors approximately $4.6 billion, including $3.9 billion of share repurchases through May 3rd of this year. We continue to view our shares as an attractive investment and expect to execute at least $2.25 billion of share repurchases throughout 24 and 25. Crucially, our balance sheet remains strong, enabling the ongoing capital return plan. Our net leverage finished the quarter at approximately three times, exceeding our expectations indicated on the previous quarter results call. We expect net leverage to be below three times by year end 2024. Our disciplined capital approach also enables us to invest in solar and energy storage growth that capitalizes on site-centered connects in the Vistra portfolio. Our Baldwin and Coffeen sites, where construction began earlier this year on paired solar and energy storage facilities, are good examples of this strategy. And we expect these to be online by the end of the year. Finally, we've completed our first non-recourse financing in Vistra Zero, providing attractive capital for our growing portfolio of operating renewable assets. Moving to slide six, we achieved ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA of $813 million, a 47% increase compared to the first quarter of 2023. As you can see, many of the themes contributing to results last year continued into the first quarter of this year. The first quarter of 2024 again reflected the benefits of our comprehensive hedging program as the warmest winter on record in the U.S. led to lower than expected cleared power prices across the country. Specifically, while power prices in the markets we serve cleared below $30 per megawatt hour on average for the first quarter, our first quarter results reflect an average realized power price of over $50 per megawatt hour. In these volatile weather environments, which included a winter event in mid-January and then mild weather in February and March, our generation team once again delivered with another strong quarter of commercial availability at approximately 98%. Being flexible with not only daily operations, including ramping down when economics signal us to do so, but rescheduling planned outages to optimize opportunities enabled the business to deliver strong results. Finally, the retail team delivered another positive quarter of customer account growth across our Texas and Midwest and Northeast geographies. With the acquisition of Energy Harbor now complete, we're initiating a guidance on a combined basis for ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA of $4,550,000,000 to $5,050,000,000 and ongoing operations adjusted free cash flow before growth of $2,200,000,000 to $2,700,000,000. It's important to note that this guidance excludes any potential benefit from the Nuclear Production Tax Credit, or PTC, given the uncertainty around how it will be implemented when the regulations are issued later this year. However, based on where prices settled in the first quarter and the forward curves for the balance of the year, We believe the PTC could add a significant amount to our 2024 ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA guidance range. Finally, you will note that the implied conversion rate from ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA to ongoing operations adjusted free cash flow before growth for 2024 is below our stated target of 55 to 60%, primarily due to a couple of timing impacts. we expect a return to our target 55 to 60% range in 2025 and beyond. While we are not providing guidance to reflect specific ranges for VISTA revision and VISTA tradition, our view is that each is expected to contribute roughly half of our adjusted EBITDA over time. However, given the business mix and current capital structure, you can expect VISTA revision will convert adjusted EBITDA to free cash flow before growth at a higher rate over time, roughly 60 to 65%, compared to district tradition, which we expect to convert at a rate of approximately 50 to 55%. Turning to slide seven, there has been much discussion in recent months about the substantial power demand growth forecast, including from the potential build out of data centers and other sources of electricity demand. Third-party research indicates data center-related activity could approach 35 gigawatts of additional demand by 2030. However, our teams also see multiple additional potential drivers of demand in the geographies we serve. These drivers include continued reshoring of industrial activity, as evidenced by multiple large chip manufacturing site build-outs, partially due to the CHIPS Act. increased electrification of commercial, industrial, and residential load across the country, as evidenced by the expectation of approximately 20 gigawatts of additional power demand in West Texas by 2030, and strong population growth, particularly in the state of Texas, which has been steady at 1.5% to 2% per year. With these drivers, we see the potential demand outcomes skewing higher, albeit with a wider range. In their most recent report, PJM's load growth expectations through 2030 doubled from their 2023 estimate. In Texas, recent reports from ERCOT suggest load growth through 2030 in a wide range, from as low as 1.6% per year to as high as 6% growth per year, or even higher if more than half of the large loads recently discussed at ERCOT actually materialize. The trailing 10 years has been approximately 2.5%. And that was before some of these more recent drivers of the Permian electrification, the CHIPS Act, and the data center demand. This increase in demand across the country will need to be served by an electric grid that will continue to see coal plant retirements in all markets. The Inflation Reduction Act will continue to incentivize wind, solar, and battery resources. We will also need gas-fired generation to back up those intermittent sources. The new greenhouse gas rules issued from the EPA on April 25th are expected to make it more challenging to economically build baseload combined cycle gas turbine facilities. But we expect those rules to be litigated and it's unclear what the final outcome will be. Natural gas peakers could be a solution that threads the needle of environmental rules and demand needs. In addition, it is likely that existing assets will need to run at higher capacity factors to meet overall annual energy needs as more coal retires. We see VISTA as well positioned for these trends given our diversified portfolio of reliable and sustainable assets in growing markets. As you can see on slide eight, the forward curves have moved up considerably in both the Texas and PJM markets on the improved demand outlook, particularly on the longer end of the curve. As an example, ERCOT North around-the-clock fixed price forwards for calendar 2026 increased over $7 per megawatt hour, or approximately 13% since we last provided guidance in November 2023. For 2027 and 2028, the increases were even more significant. In the past, we've commented that the backwardation and forward curves did not reflect the tighter grid conditions that we expected to result from continued load growth and plan thermal asset retirements. With the recent improvement of both forward power prices and some additional market interest in transacting farther out on the curve, we believe the market is beginning to recognize these dynamics. As I stated at the beginning of the call, our integrated business model, which combines increasingly critical dispatchable generation assets with a premier retail business, positions us well to create long-term value in this dynamic and growing market. As a result, based on recent market curves, we are currently estimating a combined ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA midpoint opportunity for 2025 of $5 billion to $5.5 billion. In addition, while significant uncertainty to both the upside and downside remains for 2026, given our 2026 hedge percentage, which is approximately 50%, We have line of sight to an ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA midpoint opportunity of more than $6 billion. Like the 2024 guidance, our long-term outlook excludes any potential benefit from the nuclear PTC, and we will continue to evaluate the appropriate timing for including any of that potential benefit. Even without the inclusion of any PTC benefit, the improvement in near-term and long-term outlook for Vistra is expected to result and a meaningful amount of unallocated capital through 2026. And with that, I will turn it over to Chris to provide a detailed review of our first quarter results. Chris.
spk00: Thank you, Jim. Turning to slide 10, VISTA delivered strong first quarter results in 2024 with ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA of approximately $813 million, including $841 million from generation, offset by negative $28 million from retail. This represents a $259 million improvement, nearly 50% year over year. For generation, despite another quarter of mild weather conditions, including the warmest winter on record, our comprehensive hedging program, combined with the team's ability to optimize our flexible assets, enabled another quarter of strong results. Turning to retail, as was the case in 2023, the first quarter result was within the range of what we expected. We continue to see higher hedge power costs in the winter and summer months due to entry year shaping and therefore anticipate substantially all of ongoing operations adjusted EBITDA for retail to be achieved in the second and fourth quarters. We believe continued strong counts and margins in the first quarter position retail well for the balance of the year. Finally, our first quarter results benefited from the inclusion of one month of energy harbor, which totaled approximately $60 million for generation and retail combined. On Energy Harbor, we provide an update on the integration process on slide 11. As Jim mentioned earlier, the team's made significant progress integrating the businesses despite a later than expected closing. In the short time since completing the acquisition, the team has identified approximately $150 million of timing and gross margin benefits that are expected to be realized in 2024. These benefits are expected to bring the end-year 2024 contribution from Energy Harbor to approximately $700 million, which compares favorably to our 10-month contribution estimate. Turning to integration benefits, we previously communicated expected run rate synergies of $79 million by year end 2024 and a run rate of $125 million by year end 2025. Based on the efforts of the teams completed to date, we are increasing the amount of expected run rate synergies by $25 million to a total of $150 million. Further, when we first announced the acquisition of Energy Harbor, we highlighted our core competency of integrating generation assets, citing the achievements of our Operational Performance Improvement, or OPI, program following the Dynergy acquisition. I am pleased to report that this program continues to deliver, with the teams having identified opportunities for more efficient operations across our nuclear fleet, that we expect to lead to $50 million of run rate adjusted EBITDA improvements by year end 2026. Importantly, we expect these additional opportunities to be achieved with little incremental capital spend. Finally, we provide an update on the execution of our capital allocation plan on slide 12. As of May 3rd, we executed approximately $3.9 billion of share repurchases. leading to an approximately 28% reduction compared to the number of shares that were outstanding in November 2021. In line with our statements on the fourth quarter 2023 call, we expect to execute at least $2.25 billion of share repurchases over the course of 2024 and 2025. With the long-term update provided today, we still see our shares trading at an elevated free cash flow yield and thus continue to believe share repurchases to be a sound use of our capital. Moving to our dividend program, we announced last week a first quarter 2024 common stock dividend of 21.75 cents per share, which represents an increase of approximately 7% over the dividend paid in Q2 2023 and an impressive 45% increase over the dividend paid in the fourth quarter of 2021 when our capital allocation plan was first established. Turning to the balance sheet, MISRA's net leverage ratio currently sits at three times. As Jim stated earlier, we expect to return to below three times by the end of 2024 and continue to target a long-term net leverage ratio below three times. As you may have seen, we successfully issued $1.5 billion of seniors secured and unsecured notes at the beginning of April. These notes were issued primarily to fund our 2024 maturities and are not expected to increase our overall leverage levels. We were very pleased with the transaction and view the tight issuance spreads as recognition by bondholders of Vistra's well-positioned business model and favorable outlook. Finally, the first quarter of the year was an active period for Vistra Zero. Our team began construction activities at two of our larger Illinois solar and energy storage developments at our formal coal plant sites this spring. Notably, despite the current inflationary environment, We continue to expect these projects to comfortably exceed our targeted return thresholds. Importantly, we took the initial step in developing the long-term capital structure of the Vistra Zero Renewables business, closing on a non-recourse financing at Vistra Zero. The $700 million term loan, which was also well received, is the first step towards our goal to fund our solar and energy storage growth with a combination of free cash flow from operating renewable projects, and non-recourse financings. Finally, in connection with the closing of the Energy Harbor acquisition, we have begun paying dividends to the minority investors in Vistra Vision. Our current expectation is that we will pay approximately $100 million in 2024. We view these dividends as part of our capital allocation program as we continue to analyze Vistra's earnings power on a consolidated basis. We are very proud of the VISTA team's performance to begin the year, and we remain committed to executing against our four strategic priorities. We look forward to updating you on our progress on our second quarter call. With that operator, we're ready to open the line for questions.
spk12: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
spk03: The first question comes from Char Pereza with Guggenheim Partners.
spk12: Please go ahead.
spk11: Hey, guys. Good morning.
spk09: Hey, Char. Good morning.
spk11: Good morning. Jim, not to sound like a broken record here, but obviously the moves we've seen in Sparks, does that change your thoughts around maybe tradition, standalone viability, and potentially separating the two companies sooner rather than later, or kind of vice versa? And maybe at the very least, should we expect more details around resegmentation with a roll forward later this year as the moves and the curves change? can obviously change kind of that top-level disclosure you just provided between the two segments, or it's just not a priority. Thanks.
spk09: Sure. Thank you, Char. Yeah, as you've noted, the SPARCs have obviously increased. Fixed price power has also increased. This discussion about the value of tradition, which I think has come into focus a lot in the last two months, has been really positive for Vistra overall. As you note earlier, The Vistra Tradition business is a key part of how we integrate our model overall. So we have a very large retail business that we have in Vistra Vision, and a lot of that business is residential. Residential has a level of usage that can vary with weather, and that's something that the asset side in Vistra Tradition supports extremely well. On the vision side, we, of course, have a large nuclear fleet and our storage in solar, but that will not help us with the intraday and some of the weather swings that we would see in the seasons. And so, Char, I think what we were hoping to happen is happening, which is the Vistra tradition side is being recognized for being highly valuable. I think there was months ago, Obviously, already a view that the assets in this revision were valuable, and there was a question mark about the tradition side. I think that's being addressed by the tightening you're seeing in the marketplace, and frankly, the inbounds that we receive of folks interested in assets in tradition, because these are hard assets to replicate. And I would suggest with some of the EPA rules that have been issued, they're going to be even harder to replicate. So we think the integrated model has a lot of value as far as disclosures. We try, and obviously in our script today, we shared some information about the free cash flow conversion of vision and tradition and the relative EBITDA weights. So our goal here was to provide some insights into how the financials work on the integrated model. But I don't think at this point it's a priority for us to do a gap reporting associated with that. I think our goal is to provide our investors the key insights that drive the economics, which, as you know, have a lot more to do with the forwards and our ability to capture it than some of the traditional segmentation methods. So that's a little bit, I think, of color, Char, is how we're thinking about it.
spk11: Got it. That's perfect. And then, Jim, just on the market dynamics, I mean, a big investor debate right now. over a new entry in ERCOT, and whether it'll even make a dent in demand through the end of the decade. I guess, what's your house view on gas due builds and scarcity at this point? Are we kind of setting up for another early 2000s rush of turbines?
spk09: Great question, Char. So first of all, I think the queue of gas is starting to build a little bit. The application process will officially open for the Texas loan program in June. I think it's different than the early 2000s in a couple of ways. Number one, while SPARCs have improved over even the last two months in ERCOT, we no longer have the severe backwardation that we are accustomed to seeing, so that's a bullish sign. The loan program would be a bullish sign. However, the EPA rules, the proposed rule and the final rule, that was issued last week will make it very difficult for somebody to be comfortable with a combined cycle gas turbine technology, which was different than the early 2000s. That baseload technology, if it were to run over 40% capacity factor, would need to have the carbon capture capability installed by 2032. We do not see an operating combined cycle with carbon capture technology anywhere in the world. that we can point to. So I think the emphasis ultimately will be on peakers. The peakers are a higher heat rate machine. They're going to run and would need to run less than 40% capacity factor. And I think with the build-out of renewables, the solar, the wind, and even the shorter duration batteries, peakers make sense from a build-out standpoint. But I don't think they're going to be the 60 plus percent capacity factor assets that you saw coming in in the early 2000s. As far as is it an oversupply, I think we're in a chicken and an egg situation with ERCOT. I think the demand is there, and the demand is going to be waiting for the supply. And so I don't think it's a situation where we're dealing with static demand and which asset can best serve it. I think it's going to be an ever-increasing demand that will continue to come as long as assets are coming onto the grid. And I believe Texas, which has positioned itself as open for business, wants to be a leader in this economic development opportunity. And I think that's true for transmission. I think it's true for renewables. I think it's true for dispatchable assets like gas peakers. So I think the fundamentals are really different than what we saw a couple of decades ago.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you. And then just one really quick one for Chris. Chris, just on the 26 midpoint opportunity, how much incremental EBITDA would there be if you were fully open in 26? I guess how sensitive are you to that number? Thanks.
spk00: Yeah, on the sensitivity, what I'll say is we feel good about the $6 billion number. We have a high confidence in that number given where the curves are and where our hedge percentage is. As we look to sensitivities, we haven't given that. But as we think about it versus what you'll see in our deck on 2025, It's roughly twice, I would say, as sensitive to moves and power and sparks as what we're showing for 2025. But we do feel confident in that $6 billion number.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you guys so much. Jim, fantastic execution today. Thank you. Bye.
spk10: Thank you, Charles.
spk12: The next question comes from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hey, good morning, team. Congrats on the solid print. Thank you. Thanks, Jim. Hey, just maybe can I ask you on the free cash flow conversion? So it looks like the 24 guidance is about 50% of EBITDA, and then you gave us the numbers for Vistra Vision and then Tradition. Just how do you see that trending? You know, the answer to that is higher. But what are the drivers that get you from 50% on the division side of the things to 60%. Is that integration, more efficiencies? Maybe just talk to that, please.
spk00: Yeah, that's a good question. As you would expect, we put a lot of emphasis internally on the free cash flow conversion rate. And as Jim said in our prepared remarks, we target 55% to 60%, and we're a little bit lower than that based on two – on two timing issues I would say this year. One of those is that on slide 11 you'll see that Energy Harbor increased $150 million. One of that is $100 million of that $150 million is really due to a change in accounting methodology for outage expense recognition. So that's a non-cash item that is increasing EBITDA but not turning into cash. So that is hurting free cash flow conversion. And then the other one is that, as you would expect, the retail team enters into contracts for future periods. We generally, as the prices have increased, we generally see the hedge of that. We do that hedging through a variety of structures. And as that price has risen in the outer years, the cost of those products has increased. So that does create a timing mismatch between when we pay the cash premiums on those options and when we recognize the revenue in future years. So we would expect that to reverse as we go forward. So if you just reverse those two timing impacts, our free cash flow conversion this year would be closer to 55%. And then we just see some other improvements that get us closer to the 60% starting next year and moving forward.
spk09: And to guess what I would add to this comment is as you see the curves rise, some of that does not necessarily require additional capital and expense to achieve the higher earnings and free cash flow. So as you see the projections improve, you would expect to see some of the free cash flow conversion improve by the nature of the gross margin expansion and more of that dropping to the bottom line. So that is part of the trend that we're describing when we gave you the outlook for the free cash flow conversion.
spk04: I appreciate all that color. Very helpful. And then just Jim and Chris, there's a lot of debate around how long are you going to do these share buybacks? I appreciate there's not a clear-cut answer, but can you give us some parameters? What metrics are you looking at? Is it free cash flow yield? Is it EBITDAs? What is the comp group you're comparing it to? Is it IPPs or the broader market as we think about your decision-making on those share buybacks going forward?
spk09: Sure. Dagesh, I'll start. I'll do it as more of a free cash flow yield comparison and how does that compare to the next best use of capital. When we started this process, of course, years ago, We were talking about free cash flow yields north of 20% for the business. It was a very obvious choice, I think, as to how we would deploy capital, recognizing, you know, where our relative value was in the marketplace. As we've continued to see our share price move, which is a good thing, we've also seen the forward curves move and the earnings power of the business move. And so we still certainly see upside from where we sit today from a share value. But you'll see the free cash flow yields have certainly come down, still well above some peers in the market. But we also have other competitive projects now with those free cash flow yields. The ability to do our Vistra Zero projects and the mid-teens type of free cash flow type returns, that gives us some confidence there. We've got some organic opportunities, including some gas plants that we think are competitive There may be inorganic opportunities like M&A on both retail and generation. Those are all more competitive today where we're currently trading. And the good news is that I think we could do multiple of those, not an either or. So I still believe where we sit today with a free cash flow yield, the returning capital through our buybacks, as we've discussed, through 2025, the two and a quarter building, makes a lot of sense. We have additional and allocated cash flow. that we could do either more return of capital through buybacks, other shareholder opportunities such as dividends, but we're really focused on other growth opportunities. And as long as they're competitive with that benchmark on the return of capital through repurchases, we've got a lot of options on the table. I think that's an exciting place to be for Vistra. It's not where we were three years ago in terms of this choice set. but it's opened up considerably. Chris, anything you'd like to add?
spk00: Yeah, I would just, again, reiterate that we do maintain an internal model and evaluation, and then we get feedback from our partners, our consultants as well, and we've done that recently. And we continue to look at different ways to value our stock. And right now, where it sits is any way we look at it, given the update that we've provided today, We still feel like our stock is a good buy to the extent it gets to the point where it exceeds our internal valuation, which we don't see as being a near-term issue. But, you know, we would have to then discuss, you know, we will be disciplined in how we spend our capital.
spk03: That's really helpful, guys. Thanks again.
spk12: Thanks, Trivesh. I think the next question comes from David Arcaro with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good morning. Thanks so much, and great update.
spk12: Thank you, David.
spk03: I was wondering, could you talk about the data center? I'm curious which location .
spk10: Hey, David. This is Jim.
spk09: I think I heard you mention data centers and curious about locations. Was that the question? It broke up a little bit on us. I'm sorry.
spk05: I was wondering about the data center opportunity with your nuclear plants. Could you give an update as to potential timing, which locations might be more attractive than others?
spk09: Sure. Thank you, David. I think the conversation certainly has picked up this year. We started our process actually last year looking at At the time, it was a prospective close of Energy Harbor, which, of course, is now in the rearview mirror, which is great. And, of course, the Talon AWS deal came out early March. So that was certainly a benchmark and a watershed event for the industry. I will say the two-unit sites still have – this is an order of preference that I think the market is grappling with. The two-unit sites have more – desirability for what their redundancy can provide. Then there's the single unit sites, of course, and then there's the gas plants. And what's been very interesting, David, about our discussions with potential partners is we have normally sort of tried to search, you know, for opportunities for us to find partners and bid into their energy needs. Now this has been reversed. We actually have partners, potential partners, coming to us directly and Speed is really very important to them. I would say gas has become as interesting to many of them as nuclear has, in fact, even a preference for some. So from our standpoint, all options are on the table with 40,000 megawatts. And we've got, obviously, 12 states and 40,000 megawatts that we can do some of our projects with. But we've actually flipped it a little bit. So we've actually put out some RFPs ourselves. So instead of just responding to the inbounds, we've actually gone out to the marketplace to handle actually multiple conversations simultaneously and see what the best opportunity might be for us. And so... That process is not concluded yet, but we're in the middle of that process, and we're very excited about the interest. Of course, you can imagine the hyperscalers, the co-locators, and the specific developers are in that process. We're dedicating a ton of time to it, as I am personally, and it's probably been the most exciting development for our industry in quite some time. But we think we can be a great partner to one or more capable parties because of the size of the fleet and multiple geographies. And I don't know yet which one's going to happen first, but it's a huge opportunity set for us, David, and one that I think we're going to be making really good progress on here shortly.
spk05: Great. That's really helpful, Collar. I was wondering if you could also touch on just other power plants and other co-location opportunities at gas plants. And are you potentially considering new build yourself as well? I would be curious.
spk09: Yeah, David, it actually ties into the earlier question, which is you have existing assets that we have in our portfolio, large-scale combined cycle assets. The goal, obviously, for any of these potential partners with the data centers is speed and then reliability that they can count on for supply. it's going to be really hard to build an asset like a combined cycle to support a new data center without it having the carbon capture equipment that we were, you know, talking about earlier. And that's a huge lift. That carbon capture equipment could double, if not triple, the cost of the combined cycle. So I don't view that as a really attractive near-term option at this point until that technology matures. So I think the existing combined cycles are an opportunity for somebody to co-locate. I think the next best alternative, if it's involving gas, is likely to be peakers, but that will probably require that that data center needs to also be prepared to pull from the grid so they could get the cheaper wind and solar power on the margin when available, but be prepared to run the peakers for continuity of supply and potentially a price hedge. That, I think, is a potential model, and I think some of our partners we're talking to are wrestling with the fact that to build out the number of gigawatts that they're talking about, there's only so many large meters you can be behind. You're going to have to actually add supply to the grid, and you're probably going to have to work in a hybrid-type situation where you're pulling when there's surplus but then producing when you need. And I think peakers could potentially play that role, and I think, again, that plays into this Q discussion of, What if there's a lot of gas to be built? I actually think that means more load comes, and then we might have to build more gas, along with the wind, solar, and battery that is, as you know, already heavily in the queue. But this gas, from a reliability standpoint, I think will play a role one way or the other. I just don't see it being combined, brand-new combined cycles for that purpose until there's more clarity about these EPA rules. They're likely to be litigated. I think it's tough to invest into an environment where you've got uncertainty with protracted litigation. And so I think it's going to be difficult to create new baseload assets with confidence. And that's why I think the existing baseload assets are getting as much attention as they are.
spk05: Excellent. That's really helpful. Thanks so much for all the color.
spk12: Thank you, Dave. The next question comes from Angie Storzinski with Seaport. Please go ahead.
spk02: Thank you. So just first maybe starting with your credit metrics and investment grade aspirations. So just wondering, you know, what's the timeline when you think you're going to hit investment grade metrics and how you could potentially use – you know, like stock-based M&A to actually accelerate this path to investment grade.
spk00: Yeah, thanks, Angie. I appreciate that. As you know, we just said today we're right at three times. I think we're two notches away from investment grade with two of the agencies and one notch away from the other one. So we have some work to do even to get closer to investment grade. I think we're continuing to look at, as we look at the outlook, I mean, our leverage metrics go down just with the increase in EBITDA that you're seeing over time. And then we have a significant amount of cash that is yet to be allocated. And so some of that will go to debt repayment. So we do expect that there could be opportunities to be talking about investment grade metrics in the next year or two. First, we want to make sure that we get the agencies to the one level below, and then we'll really start talking to them about timing for the deleveraging and where we need to get. I think we said on the last call, it's important for us to get to investment grade. If we do that, that we are comfortably in investment grade. We don't want to be right at the edge of the metrics. We want to be significantly into that area. So We haven't had those detailed discussions yet because, like I said, we're still waiting to get the upgrade to the one notch below. I think as you think about our currency, as we said, we're still, we've been focused. The price of the stock has come up and there could be opportunities to use it in transactions. But at this point, as we just noted earlier in the call, we still see room for our stock to run and we're currently buying. So, I don't think that that would be the driver for why investment grade wouldn't be the driver for a deal like that. We would certainly think about our ratings as we did any potential opportunistic transaction. But we're comfortable where we are. We do think we'll get to investment grade metrics, but we don't have a specific timeline to do so.
spk02: Okay. And then changing topics a bit, like your sunset assets and the brownfields sites, especially those associated with the former Dynagy coal plants. So just wondering, you know, is there any change in your views about the longevity of those sunset assets? Now it seems like they're economic, right? I'm sure that some of the increased output from these assets is embedded in those EBITDA ranges that you provided us with. But just wonder if there's, if some of these assets might get reallocated back to this provision, meaning that you will not put them in that sunset bucket. And number two is if there's any you know, upside associated with those brownfield sites from the former coal plants, especially in Illinois.
spk09: So, Angie, I think on the coal plants themselves, the main driver that we're looking at on a go-forward basis is really the EPA rules that we need to comply with, which means that all but two of our coal plants, the two being Martin Lake and Oak Grove, will be retiring in that 2027 timeframe unless there's some other change in rule or law that we don't anticipate. They are more economic given these curves. I think part of the reason the backward, you know, the farther dated parts of the curve, particularly 2028 in PJM and even in Texas has moved up as the dates are becoming more you know, real. And I think the supply-demand dynamic is becoming more apparent. And so it's not as much about the economics of those sites at this point that are in, you know, Ohio and Illinois and more about the compliance, which of course we're going to comply with the EPA rules that are in effect. As far as Martin Lake and Oak Grove, with the new rules that played out last week, We would either have to add carbon capture technology to those sites, which again would be very difficult to do, similarly to the comments I made about combined cycle, or co-fire 40% with gas, which we believe is a possibility, something that we think could extend the life if those assets are needed, potentially all the way up to 2039. That's something we would have to evaluate because we've got to have the sufficient gas supply to be doing co-firing at that level, and currently we don't. We have some co-firing at Oak Grove, but it's much lower level. So I think, Angie, this transition is happening on the grid. This base load across the country, whether it's regulated markets or competitive markets, has to comply with these EPA rules. And I think the opportunity for us to do something with those sites and redevelop the sites down the road is possible, but to operate in the coal configuration that it is right now, you know, seems unlikely for those sites in Ohio and Illinois.
spk02: Okay, and just one last one about capacity prices. I'm just wondering what kind of assumptions did you embed or, like, versus at least Alaska during capacity auction in those ranges that you provided us with, given that we're, you know, awaiting the next year? capacity auction in PJM, and we're seeing some bilateral contracts. We're seeing those incremental capacity auctions clearing meaningfully higher than that last auction. I'm just wondering, at least directionally, if you can give us a sense what you expect and what is embedded in those ranges.
spk09: Yes, Angie, we do see some bilateral trades that are indicating improvement in PJM capacity clears I think we've still been pretty conservative with our forecast and how we've built assumptions for the auctions that are forthcoming, the first one coming in July. I think where we've seen some of these clears, we've seen them in the $90, $100 kind of megawatt day range. Whether we're going to see that in this upcoming clear or it's going to be one later in December, we like the steps that PJM's has been attempting to bring forward. They haven't been successful in all of the market reforms that they've recommended, but I think there is a recognition of the tightening supply-demand dynamics and also the fact that this coal is going to be retiring. And there's, frankly, interest in stakeholders. At our visits to Ohio, state leaders, they'd like to see some new gas plants built so it's not just a Texas market dynamic. It's other places where they're attracting industry, you know, in the reshoring. The chips build out and they want to see more assets come to ground, which capacity markets play certainly a key role in sending that signal. So we have an improvement embedded, Angie, but certainly not anything that I would call a big lift from what we've seen some historical clears be. but it's going to have to prove out in the auctions themselves. And at this point, you know, we await the – they've been delayed for a while, so we're all eager to see how these next couple auctions play out. Steve, anything you'd like to add?
spk07: No, I think, Jim, you hit it. It's basically, if you look historically, PGM cleared on average $100 a megawatt day historically. We see that happening at the very least, and obviously as grids continue to get tighter with demand growth in PGM and the retirements of coal that Jim mentioned, which are really – more environmentally driven than they are price driven, that market should continue to tighten.
spk02: Great. Thank you.
spk03: Thank you.
spk12: The next question comes from Steve Fleishman with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
spk13: Thanks. Good morning. Jim, Chris, thanks for some of the new disclosures. I'm going to go back to an earlier question just on the 2026 hedging, the 50% hedged. Could you give a little more color on just how the pricing of those hedges are versus current market and or kind of the timing, like if that 50% number, where was it at year end 23, Q1 24, just that would be, that'd be helpful.
spk09: Sure. Steve, the hedging, obviously, from our standpoint, we look at it as more opportunistic. So we look at where the price obviously is, where our fundamental view is, and then is there actual liquidity in the market to transact? So just to give a perspective, at the end of last year, so December timeframe, We were in a hedge percentage that was going to be closer to 10% to 15% hedged for 2026. So the team, as they've seen this move, particularly more recently, they've been moving more volume, Steve. There's also been more liquidity in the marketplace. And I'm going to ask Steve Moscato to comment on that a little bit because obviously if you're looking to move some of your volume You know, depending on the depth in the market, you could be having impacts as well. And the team is sensitive to that. And I'd like Steve to comment on how he's seen that dynamic change because it's been more recent. And I think it's been indicative, again, of this recognition by market participants that the load is coming down. Some of the base load is retiring, and this is coming together in a supply-demand dynamic. And, Steve, I'd love for you to comment.
spk07: Sure, Jim. As you pointed out, we've been waiting for the curve in ERCOT to no longer be in backwardation and move up into a contango formation, which it is. And the second thing we look for is basically liquidity events, meaning there's got to be people that are willing to buy it with enough scale for us to get our hedges off. And we're starting to see that liquidity come in. We're seeing trades that are no longer, let's say, 10 or 15 megawatts out in the 26 through 28 period. We are seeing people willing to buy a couple hundred megs at a time. And so we try to scale into that because it is a finite market. It is something we can scale up. And now that we're seeing some of that contango come in, we're taking some off the table. I don't think we're done yet. I think the gas prices are part of the reason why ERCOT is in contango, not just heat rates. But if you look at sparks, sparks are expanding. But if you look at heat rates, and I really want to bring that to your focus, heat rates are not expanding as fast as you would think given a tightening market. So a lot of this contango is gas-driven, and we think there's more to come in terms of heat rate expansion.
spk13: Okay. And then just two, I guess, other questions on the hedging. The In that 50%, is there a big difference between your hedges between ERCOT and PJM? Are they both around 50?
spk10: Yes, Steve.
spk09: We weren't planning to comment on specifically by region on that front, but obviously those are our two biggest portfolios. You know, I would just leave it at that. I think, you know, it depends on the depth of the market and where we feel we can, you know, comfortably move some of the volume. And, Steve, I do want to correct one thing I shared a minute ago. I was one file off as I was trying to respond to your question. We were closer to around a 25% hedge at the end of the year in 2023, and that's moved up closer to the 50. So I was – Trying to be a little bit too nimble and pulling out my information.
spk13: Yeah, no worries. Directionally correct, though. Okay. And then just we've been getting a lot of questions on nuclear fuel with the current law being passed. Just could you comment on how you're positioned on enriched uranium and the like? That would be helpful. Sure. Thank you.
spk09: Yes, we have, Steve, we have secured the supply physically for the outages all the way through 2027 and substantially financially. There's a few, you know, of our products that have some index pricing to it. And we are significantly hedged into 2028 as well. So we feel really good about, you know, fueling the six units over this, you know, planning horizon. With the Russian ban, with an uncertain, you know, or to be determined waiver process, I should say, we're very active in the discussion just to make sure that there's ample liquidity in the market as, you know, folks will look at these disruptions potentially and it can cause the spot prices to move up considerably. We're fairly well hedged in the financial range. We're kind of looking at a $7 over the whole kind of time period, including Energy Harbor and, you know, the Comanche Peak site. So we were a little bit further hedged out for the Texas site, a little bit more open on the back end with Energy Harbor. We put it all together and locked it all down. You know, it's roughly a $7 a megawatt hour average over that period. but the spot markets are in the $11 to $12 range. So DOE, with the additional funding of roughly $2.7 billion, will be looking to incentivize domestic production, and we'll see how that develops. But that's probably going to take into that time frame at the end of this decade to see something physically materialized there. But I think we've done a good job of of locking down some of these risks, both physically and financially, and that's embedded in the numbers we've provided today.
spk13: Great. Thanks so much.
spk12: Thank you. The next question comes from Bill Apicelli with UBS. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hi. Good morning. Most of my questions have been answered, but just on the retail side, can you remind us The average duration of the contracts and the ability to roll those prices forward as the wholesale prices go higher as we move through time?
spk09: Sure. Yes, Bill. So the business contracts that we sell can be a duration of one to two years all the way up to 10 years. Now, our portfolio is more skewed to the residential business, which I would say Those tend to be one to two year contracts. Residential customers don't tend to have as much appetite for the longer dated contracts. And so if you see a sustained higher price environment, you would expect the competitive market from a retail perspective to reflect the new cost of goods sold over time. And that would mean higher prices and a sustained high power Mark, it also has meant in the past lower prices when you've seen lower power prices sustain themselves, and retailers need to respond to that. I do believe that in this situation, this has been a relatively stable and steady build in power prices, so these aren't shock-driven like the polar vortex and even winter storm Yuri where there were large bills being sent by retailers. that hadn't fully hedged. This has been more of a steady build. I think more consistent with inflation that folks have been seeing in other categories that they procure. But from our integrated model standpoint, you would expect that after you get past the one to two year horizon, you start to reflect the higher or lower retail revenues associated with wholesale power costs. And we try to target more of a steady you know, dollar per megawatt hour type margin in retail so that it's, you know, additive to whatever's happening on the wholesale side.
spk08: Thank you. That's very helpful. And then just one follow-up on that same topic. In terms of the, given the population growth and can you just speak to your market share and, you know, the customer accounts as, you know, you've seen a growing pool of potential customers in the state?
spk09: Sure, Bill. I'm going to ask Scott Hudson, our president of the retail businesses here, and I'll ask Scott to cover.
spk06: Sure. Well, first of all, let me just touch on, you know, current retail performance. We've really had strong performance in the quarter and year over year. We grew residential direct-to-consumer customer counts by 13%. That came not only from the Energy Harbor acquisition, and we had some really nice success in the Lubbock market that just opened, but We're also growing these books across all markets, you know, sort of organically. So, you know, really nice growth rates, you know, in Texas around the population. As Jim mentioned earlier, roughly 1.5 to 2%. And, you know, it's our goal at retail to grow with the market or exceed that market and grow, you know, kind of market share. So we have a very large flagship brand with TXU. you know, energy that holds significant share in the ERCOT market, but we also have five other brands that continue to complement one another, and our goal is sort of optimizing those brands by targeting them towards specific populations. It really is that coordination and sort of our use of advanced analytics to understand what populations, what brands, and what particular products that allow us to continue to grow in these markets.
spk03: Thank you, Scott. Yeah, thank you, Bill.
spk12: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jim Burke for any closing remarks.
spk09: Yeah, thank you, everyone, for joining us. And I, again, want to thank the Vistra team, which includes our new members in Ohio and Pennsylvania. And we are very excited about our platform and our unique growth opportunities. The S&P 500 inclusion is a great milestone, and our future looks bright. We appreciate your interest and investment in Vistra, and we look forward to visiting soon. Have a great day. Thank you.
spk12: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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