8/6/2025

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Operator
Conference Operator

Welcome to the Vestas Corporation Fiscal Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. To enable others to hear your questions clearly, we ask that you pick up your handset for best sound quality. Lastly, if you should need any operator assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to turn the call over to Stephon Neely with Vallum Advisors.

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Stephon Neely
Investor Relations, Vallum Advisors

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us on the call this morning. Leading the call with me today is Jim Barber, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Kelly Jansen, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Jim and Kelly will provide prepared remarks, and then we will open the line to questions. Before I turn the call over to Jim, I wanted to remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements about future business and financial expectations. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a safe harbor from civil litigation for such forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ significantly from those projected in today's forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties, including the risks described in our periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements. Further, this call will include the discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation of these measures to the closest GAAP financial measure is included in our quarterly earnings press release and corresponding supplemental materials, which are available at ir.cestus.com. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Stephan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before I begin, I would like to thank Philip, the board, and the leadership team for helping to facilitate a smooth transition for me into the CEO role here at Vestas. Now that I'm two months into the role, my belief is that this company has tremendous potential and a team capable of achieving great things. I was attracted to this opportunity because I spent much of my career leading businesses with similar route-based asset-intensive models. Businesses such as this succeed when they execute well at the local level, driven by strong customer relationships that are built upon reliability, excellent service quality, and the ability to control daily operating costs. These outcomes are produced by frontline teams of loyal and capable people, supported by robust, repeatable processes and technology that enhances execution. Starting in June, I spent a great deal of my time getting to know the business through engaging with our teams, visiting with customers, and diving deep into the operational and strategic levers that drive performance. And what is clear to me is that while Vestas has faced its share of challenges, it is a company with a fundamentally sound foundation. What I believe this business needs now is a sharp focus on commercial processes, operational discipline, and a clear strategy to unlock operating leverage. To do this, we will focus on the key inputs that drive operating leverage. These are value-based pricing, favorable product mix, and efficient cost of service. Foundational to this is our ability as an organization to efficiently utilize our assets, both our people and infrastructure, to serve our customers. First is pricing. Pricing is one of the most important levers for driving improved operating leverage. This focus does not just pertain to setting prices, but also ensuring that they reflect the value we deliver and the cost of our service. The right pricing requires a rigorous, data-driven approach, and we're building out a value-based pricing model designed to optimize product profitability. Price integrity, however, can only be successful when it is supported by service quality, and to that end, we are committed to raising our service standards to support long-term customer relationships and improve customer retention. The strength of our customer relationships is built at the local level with our RSRs, and we are investing in the tools, systems, and processes to support and empower them and other frontline team members to succeed in providing customers the best possible experience. The second key driver is product mix. We are looking to evolve our sales approach to prioritize profitability over volume. In order to do this, we need to be more selective, managing the mix of the products we sell more deliberately in order to maximize capacity utilization with a focus on margin accretive growth. we are shifting our mindset from how much we grow to how well we grow and the third driver is optimizing cost of service our teams have already made meaningful progress over the last few quarters in identifying and implementing a variety of different cost actions however there is still more work to be done we are evaluating ways to increase our variable to fixed cost ratio enhance plant reliability, and optimize capacity utilization. And none of this can be accomplished if we don't have a strong customer-centric culture. That culture is firmly grounded in our people's determination to serve customers supported by proper training, infrastructure, and processes. All of this should be underpinned by constructive management, employee and union working relationships. For the remainder of this fiscal year, I'm focused on stabilizing performance and quickly launching initiatives that we expect to result in near-term financial improvement. In addition, the team and I are taking a hard look at every aspect of the business to build a roadmap for success in 2026 and beyond. As part of that roadmap, we are also laying the groundwork for investing in modernizing our technology infrastructure to better support execution and long-term priorities. Smart, scalable systems are fundamental to improving the customer experience, unlocking efficiencies, and enabling data-driven decision-making. In a moment, Kelly will walk through our third quarter financial performance in detail. But before she does that, I would also like to provide some brief context. While our results were in line with expectations, we continue to see ongoing revenue pressure as churn outpaces conversion. I believe that our improvement initiatives will soon yield positive results. However, our expectation is that the near-term performance will be similar to what we saw over this last quarter. I want to assure you that I'm committed to seeing Vestas improve in 2026 and look forward to sharing more details, including financial and operational goals, during our fourth quarter call. Yes, there are challenges that we need to address, but there are also opportunities,

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Kelly Jansen
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

and i believe we are focused on the right levers to create meaningful sustainable improvement with that i'll turn it over to kelly thank you jim and good morning everyone revenue during the quarter was 674 million dollars down 24 million or 3.5 percent year over year compared to the third quarter of 2024. the decline in revenue was due to an 18 dollar decrease in rental revenue and $6 million of lower direct sales. Within rental revenue, growth from new business or conversion contributed approximately $45 million or 6.7% of revenue year over year for the third quarter. We continue to see increases in sales from both our field and national account sales organizations, which collectively installed 20% more recurring revenue year over year. The revenue impact in the third quarter from churn, or lost business, was approximately $60 million when compared with the same quarter in the prior year. On a rolling 12-month basis, our business retention, as measured in revenue dollars, was 91.9% at the end of Q3, a slight decrease when compared to what we reported last quarter. Year over year, revenue from existing business decreased $3 million due to declines in both price and volume. Upon further analysis of the changes that have occurred in our rental business over the last year, we've observed that the volume, when measured as the throughput we see in our facilities, has indeed gone up in line with our increased commercial effort. However, the difference in pricing between contracts that we've recently obtained and those that we've off-boarded has been unfavorable. This, along with a shift to lower priced products, is the primary reason for our net decline in rental revenue. In our direct sales business, revenue decreased $6 million or 14% year over year, which primarily reflects the previously discussed loss of a large national account in 2024. When excluding the loss of this account, direct sales decreased approximately $1 million compared to the third quarter of last year. Cost of services in the quarter was $492 million and gross margin was 27%, down approximately 200 basis points when compared to the third quarter of last year. Our gross margin for the quarter was negatively impacted by churn, which, as I previously discussed, carried higher pricing relative to recent new account installations. These headwinds were offset to some extent by a reduction in our delivery costs. As Jim mentioned, we have recently implemented a series of improvement initiatives, some of which are pricing, to help mitigate the impact of the decremental margin on churn and are also actively evaluating several other strategies, including the implementation of a comprehensive value-based pricing model across all markets. SG&A for the third quarter was $122 million, a decrease of approximately $8 million year over year. The reduction in SG&A reflects a $6 million decline in stock-based compensation, along with a $4 million decrease in separation-related costs and a $3 million reduction in other administrative costs. Offsetting this overall decrease was an increase of almost $4 million in selling expense related to our field sales team. In the third quarter, the tax rate was 9.7%, and we reported an immaterial tax benefit during the period. Third quarter reported adjusted EBITDA was $64 million, representing an adjusted margin of 9.5%. This compares to 12.4% in the third quarter of last year and 9.4% in the second quarter of 2025, when excluding the non-recurring $15 million bad debt adjustment during the same period. Now moving on to cash flow and working capital. During the quarter, we generated $23 million of operating cash flow and $8 million of free cash flow, reflecting a positive improvement over the last quarter. Net cash provided from working capital was $5 million and includes an increase of approximately $13 million resulting from our efforts to reduce our inventory levels and improve working capital efficiency. During the quarter, we also paid $9.6 million of federal cash tax payments that we had been allowed to defer from the first half of 2025 due to certain natural disaster relief provisions. Consistent with our expectations, we spent approximately $15 million on capital expenditures in the period. And for the year, we still expect total capital investment to be around $60 million, the majority of which is related to market center facility improvements. Looking at our balance sheet, at the end of the third quarter, total debt was $1.32 billion, and our principal bank debt outstanding was $1.17 billion. Our liquidity position is strong with no debt maturities until 2027 and $290 million of available liquidity, including $266 million of undrawn revolver capacity and $24 million of cash on hand. As of the end of the third quarter, our net leverage ratio, as calculated under our credit agreement, was 4.50 times. As a reminder, under our amended credit agreement, the net leverage ratio cannot exceed 5.25 times for any fiscal quarter ending prior to July 3rd of 2026. Our guiding principles for capital allocation are to maintain a strong balance sheet and allocate capital toward high return opportunities with a focus on de-levering. Our prudent balance sheet management and working capital actions aim to provide a flexible foundation from which to support our business. As Jim mentioned, our results were in line with expectations. However, we continue to see ongoing pressure from customer losses and lower penetration, partially offset by new business wins and cost actions. We believe several of our fourth quarter initiatives will be fruitful, as we remain focused on driving sustainable improvement in our operating leverage. I expect our near-term financial performance to continue to reflect trends similar to what we saw in Q3. Our goal is to finalize our operating plan for 2026 over the balance of the remaining fiscal year, and we look forward to providing details of our expectations for the coming year during the next call. Now, I would like to turn the call back to the operator for a question.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions at this time. If you have a question or comment, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If at any point your question is answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when posing your question to provide optimal sound quality. And our first question will come from Manav Petniak with Barclays. Please go ahead. One moment.

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Ronan Kennedy
Analyst, Barclays

Manav, can you hear me? We can hear you. Yeah, apologies. Sorry, Ronan Kennedy on for Manav. Thank you for taking my question. Jim, may I ask, you alluded to spending a great deal of time with the business, engaging teams, visiting customers, diving deep into operational strategic levers. We just have, you know, a recap of your initial assessment of the strengths and weaknesses. I know you highlighted the opportunity, but also foundationally the culture and potential work to be done there.

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure, I appreciate that. I guess first I would say that it's important to know why I came here. I think that having spent about 40 years of my career in these network-based businesses that have heavy assets in them, I saw Vestas as the same thing before I came across. And so my background in understanding how to create this operating leverage in these businesses was why I came, a big piece of it. And I think Vestas could have used some of what I learned over my career to help them as they move forward. So that's first why I came. So the second comment after about eight weeks would be the networks are very, very similar, the two of them. Both of them should be designed the same way to get at this leverage point. Both of them should be founded on great service to our customers. The core of that is going to be around making sure your plants are reliable. They're invested in properly because they're the engine of the network. I think also to that end, I do think that the human capital and the employees in this business make a difference. I think we've got some opportunity in our areas of turnover in this business and plants that make it as not as optimal as it could be. And I think that in the very end, I think we've got the foundation already after about eight weeks to understand that in 2026, we're going to create different value going up in this business that you've seen after the last couple of quarters. So I think the alignment is great, quite frankly, and I think there's so many similarities. The acronyms are different, I can tell you that. But at the end of the day, it's the same type of business taking care of customers. So that's after eight weeks of a view of this.

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Ronan Kennedy
Analyst, Barclays

Got it. Thank you. Appreciate that. And then may I confirm, it sounds like there's going to be a shift from, I think, volume or the amount of growth to the profitability. It sounds like, you know, changes to capital allocation and investment levels. Can you just give cognizance that we'll get the financial and operational update on strategy on the fourth quarter call, it sounds like. But what are kind of the main things we can think about for changes coming for now?

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

I guess I would start with the fact that my past has looked through the lens of penetration of the customer base that you already have. And in this business, that's about $2.8 billion of revenue. And looking back, it really hasn't grown the way, in my opinion, it should be. And there's lots of factors to that. We can talk about those later going forward. But at the end of the day, we've got to be able to create the value for our customers that allow that penetration growth to happen. And that should then be supplemented by conversion and a betterment of churn. And you're going to get growth in three different ways. Second comment is there's no question, I think, that we're going to create some new tools around here. Kelly mentioned in some of her comments opening the value-based pricing model. We need that. And we've already got teams in play building the cost models beneath it. In eight weeks, I'm confident that's going to come very quickly for us to be able to price differently because, quite frankly, in these networks, the key is to match the type of volume you want to your network and your customers that creates operating leverage. And so I think in eight weeks, again, the similarities for me keep coming forward between my past and Vestas now, and we're going to stick to those and we'll keep investing in those. And I think you'll hear a lot of those specifically

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Luke Patten
Analyst, William Blair

underpinning not how and why we're going to get better in 2026 but by an issue that we talk about here on this call today thank you appreciate it and we'll go next to tim mulrooney with william blair please go ahead hi good morning this is luke patten on for tim already thanks for taking our questions today um maybe one just kind of thinking more to macro level non-farm payrolls for july came in a bit light and both the May and June readout were revised lower. I'm just curious to hear what you're seeing in terms of hiring behavior amongst your customer base and whether you would characterize net wear levels as a headwind, tailwind, or neutral to the quarter.

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

I would just kind of say neutral from my perspective, and I think our job in any of these networks is to deal with headwinds or tailwinds properly and just focus on our model and getting it better and creating leverage we're talking about here. But I would say neutral at this point. Obviously, I'd take tailwinds, but neutral is fine for now.

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Luke Patten
Analyst, William Blair

Matt Lowrie Understood. And then maybe looking at pre-cash flow, it looks like working capital was a big source of cash in the fiscal fourth quarter of last year and was also a source in the fiscal fourth quarter of 2023. Are you expecting a similar dynamic here in the fourth quarter of this year?

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Kelly Jansen
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

What I can tell you is that I think we had a great quarter related to working capital management and, you know, obviously contributed to positive cash flow in the third quarter. And we're going to continue to manage our working capital very tightly and our cash in general. So, you know, I certainly expect us to focus, to have cash as a focus going forward.

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Luke Patten
Analyst, William Blair

Thank you very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Once again, if you do have a question, you may press star one on your telephone keypad at this time. Our next question comes from George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

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Anna Wu
Analyst, Georgetown

Hi, thank you. Good morning. This is Anna Wu for Georgetown. I wanted to start with a high-level question, wondering if you could share some thoughts around the overall health and the competitive landscape of uniform rental industry in the near term. And, additionally, can you provide some color around the sales environment in each of your end markets? And I have a follow-up after this. Thank you.

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

David Lamont Wilson, Could you repeat the second part of the question for me, please? I missed it.

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Anna Wu
Analyst, Georgetown

David Lamont Wilson, Yeah. Just can you provide some color around the sales environment in each of your end markets?

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

David Lamont Wilson, Sure. Let me take the first half. But the health of this segment, in my opinion, is one that I think continues to be one that is just fine. And what I mean by that is, if I look at the last month or the last quarter we just finished, what I saw was that almost 45% of our growth came from non-programmers in this business. And that is a stat I'm not used to having in my background, which means that the total addressable marketer continues to grow. And I think that's a great positive step forward. I think, ultimately, you know, the products in the industry itself, secondarily, I don't see as one that megatrends are after. I think that the other, I think, very positive I've found in this industry already is this concept of the network itself And inside of our organization, Vestas, it's essentially not one network. It's 120 closed-loop networks. And what that means is that we can experiment differently. We can put projects and initiatives in flight in parallel versus kind of a serial nature to it. We've already begun that. And that you start to get into these businesses that The general managers have really great breadth of perspective to grow in this business profitably. We're just going to help them tune the lens a little bit better to make sure that the work that they're putting into their individual networks creates value for our shareholders. The second half, again, there's something about the sales side. What specifically is your question?

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Anna Wu
Analyst, Georgetown

So just each of you in the market's verticals, like hospitalities or restaurants, and how do you think about working to provide some colors around the selling environment there?

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, it hasn't shifted quarter over quarter. You're still into hospitality, into healthcare, into retail. Same ones going forward. Again, I still like the non-programmer side of it because I'm not used to that, and that also could probably lead us to other growth avenues that I might not have seen in my background. So, that's how I think about both of those.

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Anna Wu
Analyst, Georgetown

Yes, super helpful. Thank you so much. And just a quick follow-up. On the previous earnings calls, we learned that the company has retained strategic advisors for some potential transactions. Is that still an option on the table for you? And just wondering if there is any updates regarding the alternative options for the business at this stage.

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

No, I'll just look forward on it. I can tell you what we're doing. We've already had three sets of advisors I think can help us speed this up, come in from the outside to help the core business, not any transactions or anything else. I mean, we're focused on the tools we've already talked about in cost models and pricing tools. They're coming into play right now. We've got some work in the technology area I think we can help us going forward, and we've got some opportunity from other outside looks. But all of those are going to be supplemental to what we're going to do as a leadership team and group around here. But for the rest of it, I'm looking forward to optimizing this business, not quite the outside just yet.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Got it. Super helpful. Thank you so much. Once again, if you do have a question, you may press star 1 on your telephone keypad at this time. This concludes the Q&A portion of today's call. I'd like to turn the call back to Jim Barber for closing remarks.

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Kelly Jansen
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

This is Kelly. Before we give it to Jim, I just wanted to mention that we put some revised materials out on our website. You can access those after the call at ir.festis.com. Jim?

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Jim Barber
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kelly. Let me just say this quickly to close is that I think that we're on the right track already after eight weeks. I'm really anxious to come forward and next time we talk, discuss the Q4 results. We've got a lot of activities going the right way there. And then really excited to roll out a plan for 2026 that all of our stakeholders, I think, will stand behind and be supportive of and be proud to deliver on everybody's behalf. So I appreciate the time this morning. Thanks.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you, and this concludes today's Vestas Corporation Fiscal Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Please disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.

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