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spk09: Participants will be in listening mode. If you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Worthing Jackman.
spk17: Please go ahead, sir. Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome everyone to this conference call to discuss fourth quarter results, and our outlook for both the first quarter and full year 2023. I'm joined this morning by Marianne Whitney, our CFO, and several other members of senior management. As noted in our earnings release, Q4 topped off an extraordinary year for Waste Connections, highlighted by continuing outperformance during the period and providing a higher entry point and enhanced visibility for 2023. Strong operational execution and over 10% solid waste pricing along with acquisitions closed during the period, once again provided for better than expected results. We more than offset inflationary pressures and commodity-related headwinds to expand adjusted EBITDA margin by 30 basis points, excluding the margin dilutive impact of acquisitions completed since the year-ago period. Looking at the full year, double-digit percentage growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA, along with adjusted EBITDA margin expansion, excluding the impact of acquisitions, continued to differentiate our results. We overcame elevated wage, fuel, and inflationary pressures and a 70 percent drop in recycled commodity values in the second half of the year, with an acceleration in pricing during the year providing momentum for higher core pricing in 2023. Acquisition activity during the year also outpaced expectations for a total of approximately $640 million in acquired annualized revenues, which, along with activity year-to-date, already provides acquisition contribution of 5 percent in 2023, with additional dialogue ongoing. In short, tremendous operational execution in 2022 has provided outside visibility for double-digit top-line growth, along with adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2023, with upside from any improvement in recovered commodity values or inflationary pressures, as well as incremental acquisition activity during the year. Before we get into much more detail, let me turn the call over to Mary Ann for our forward-looking disclaimer and other housekeeping items.
spk14: Thank you, Worthing, and good morning. The discussion during today's call includes forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable Canadian securities laws. Actual results could differ materially from those made in such forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed both in the cautionary statement included in our February 15th earnings release and in greater detail in Waste Connections filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the Securities Commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, as there may be additional risks of which we are not presently aware or that we currently believe are immaterial, which could have an adverse impact on our business. We make no commitment to revise or update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances that may change after today's date. On the call, we will discuss non-GAAP measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income attributable to waste connections on both the dollar basis and per diluted share, and adjusted free cash flow. Please refer to our earnings releases for a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures. Management uses certain non-GAAP measures to evaluate and monitor the ongoing financial performance of our operation. Other companies may calculate these non-GAAP measures differently. I will now turn the call back over to Worthing.
spk17: Thank you, Marianne. First off, I'd like to recognize and applaud the efforts of our local teams, whose execution, most notably over the past few years in the face of arguably the most challenging operating environment, has continued to drive differentiated results. In 2022, our 25th anniversary year, we once again demonstrated two hallmarks of Waste Connections, sustainability and sustaining ability. There should be no trade-off between the two. As noted earlier, we're extremely pleased with our strong operating and financial performance in Q4 and throughout 22, as we overcame elevated wage, fuel, and inflationary pressures, and a 70% drop in recycled commodity values to drive adjusted EBITDA margin expansion, excluding acquisitions in the year. In 2022, we also delivered pricing of 9.2%, more than 200 basis points above our initial outlook, and about 85% of which was in core price. Moreover, given the acceleration of pricing during the year, the lagging benefit of higher CPI resets, and a strong start to the new year, we're already set up for pricing to increase sequentially by about 100 basis points from the fourth quarter to 11.5% in Q1 and to average about 9.5% in 2023, essentially all in core price. We delivered adjusted free cash flow of $1.165 billion in 2022, up over 15% year-over-year on CapEx of $913 million, up 23% year-over-year, reflecting a purposeful step up in CapEx during the year for opportunistic real estate purchases. Net of asset sales, CapEx was about $30 million above our outlook, in spite of ongoing supply chain constraints for fleet and equipment. As noted in our press release, we've been navigating the uncertainties in manufacturer delivery timing and now expect to take delivery of an additional 50 million in fleet in 2023 that was originally expected in 2022. Our 2022 CapEx also included about $75 million for sustainability-related projects which was about $25 million less than we originally had expected, primarily for the two RNG facilities and two recycling facilities we've previously discussed. That will total about $150 million once completed. Our 2023 sustainability cap is expected to be up from 2022 due to the timing of some of the expected 2022 outlays that drifted into this year, as well as the expected initiation of development of an additional large RNG project at a recently completed acquisition. As we have described previously, these RNG facilities are strategic investments with attractive paybacks at a range of values for recovered resources. With the additional project noted, our aggregate capital outlays for owned RNG projects are now approaching 200 million between 2022 and 2025. These projects, along with over a dozen others we've partnered on, are conservatively estimated to generate an incremental 200 million of EBITDA in 2026, or about a dollar of EBITDA per dollar of CapEx. Provisions in the recently promulgated Inflation Recovery Act would further enhance expected returns and could provide tax-related benefits as soon as 2023, as one of the new plans is scheduled to be online and start contributing in the second half of this year. As we have consistently emphasized in our approach to ESG, these projects are integral to our business, consistent with our focus on value creation, and additive to our growth strategy, not something in lieu of acquisitions. Looking next to acquisitions, in 2022, we closed approximately $640 million in annualized revenue. We completed 24 acquisitions, all in solid waste, and spread across the U.S. and Canada. in both franchise and new competitive markets, including integrated markets, new market entries, and a number of tuck-ins to existing operations. This robust activity in 2022 capped six consecutive outsized years for acquired annualized revenue, totaling over $2.1 billion since 2017, and we've had another strong start to the year in 2023. As always, we maintain a disciplined approach to market selection the risk profiles we accept, and the valuations we determine to be appropriate. Since year-end, we've closed another integrated West Coast franchise with over $35 million in annualized revenue, which along with a rollover contribution from deals completed in 2022, already provides for a 2023 acquisition contribution of over 5%. Continued dialogue sets up the potential for another outsized year of activity for which we remain well-positioned. have entered 2023 with leverage below three times in spite of acquisition delays of over $2.3 billion during 2022. Our balance sheet strength and free cash flow profile provide flexibility for continued elevated levels of investments in our organic solid waste growth strategy, along with renewable energy projects and solid waste acquisitions, while also increasing our return of capital to shareholders. In 2022, we returned $668 million to shareholders through dividends and opportunistic share repurchases, up nearly 20% from the prior year, and we invested over $3.2 billion in CapEx and acquisitions for future growth. Now, I'd like to pass the call to Marianne to review more in-depth the financial highlights of the fourth quarter and provide a detailed outlook for Q1 and full year 2023, all then wrap up before heading into Q&A.
spk14: Thank you, Worthing. In the fourth quarter, revenue of $1.869 billion was $24 million above our outlook and up $245 million, or 15.1% year over year. Acquisitions completed since the year-ago period contributed about $153 million of revenue in the quarter, or about $150 million net of divestitures. Total Q4 price of 10.6% included 9% in core price, which stepped up sequentially by 70 basis points from Q3. Reflecting our highest levels in 2022, Q4 total price ranged from about 6% in our mostly exclusive market western region to between about 11% and over 13% in our competitive markets. The pricing acceleration in competitive regions during 2022, along with the lagging benefit from higher CPI linked market increases in 23, position us for about 9.5% total price in 2023, essentially all core, with over 75% of that pricing already largely in place at this time or no. Solid waste volumes in Q4 were down 1.7%, excluding 80 basis points from the final quarterly impact from the purposeful non-renewal of two municipal contracts noted throughout 2022. Volumes were in line with our expectations, in spite of the severe winter weather in late December. Looking at year-over-year results in the fourth quarter on a same-store basis, commercial collection revenue was up 14%, mostly due to price. Roll-off pulls per day were about flat, with revenue per pull up 9%. And landfill rates per ton were up about 7.5%, on daily tons down about 2%, with MSW and special waste each down 3% to 4%. partially offset by higher C&D waste, up 7%. And finally, E&P waste revenue of $53 million was in line with the prior quarter and up more than 50% year over year. Looking at Q4 revenues from recycled commodities, excluding acquisitions, recycled commodity revenues were down about 70% year over year, about as expected due to the precipitous decline in values since July, which continued through November. Prices for OCC, or old corrugated containers, declined about 60% sequentially from Q3 to average about $56 per ton in Q4. OCC pricing has been relatively stable since November in the range of $55 to $60 per ton, with some recent indications of improvement. Finally, looking at year-over-year landfill gas sales and renewable energy credits, or RINs, landfill gas revenues were up nominally in Q4, with lower RIN values offset by higher values. Loon values averaged about $2.65 in Q4 and have since declined to levels around $2. Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 as reconciled in our earnings release was $564 million, up 13.8% year-over-year and about $11 million above our outlook, driving adjusted EBITDA margin of 30.2%, a 20 basis point beat to our outlook. Margin in the quarter was up 30 basis points year-over-year, excluding the impact of acquisitions. as we more than overcame the toughest quarterly comparisons, including almost 150 basis points and headwinds from lower recycled commodity values. Moving to four-year adjusted free cash flow. We converted over 52% of adjusted EBITDA to adjusted free cash flow above our outlook at $1.165 billion, or 16.2% of revenue. We over-delivered in spite of an incremental $30 million in capex. as we opportunistically made certain real estate purchases during the year. As Worthing noted, our 2022 CapEx is also noteworthy for what it doesn't include. That is about $50 million in fleet due to manufacturer delivery delays, as well as about $25 million in sustainability-related outlays, all of which were expected in 2022 and are now included in our outlook for 2023 CapEx. I will now review our outlook for the first quarter and full year 2023. Before I do, we'd like to remind everyone once again that actual results may vary significantly based on risks and uncertainties outlined in our safe harbor statement and filings we've made with the SEC and the securities commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. We encourage investors to review these factors carefully. Our outlook assumes no change in the current economic environment. It also excludes any impact from additional acquisitions that may close during the remainder of the year and expensing of transaction-related items during the period. Looking first at the full year 2023. Revenue in 2023 is estimated at 8.05 billion. For solid waste, we expect pricing of about 9.5%, essentially all core, and volumes in the range of flat to down 1%. Plus, about 360 million of estimated revenue in 2023 from acquisitions already completed, and E&P waste activity and values for recovered commodities assumed in line with recent levels. Adjusted EBITDA in 2023, as reconciled in our earnings release, is expected to be approximately $2.5 billion for about 31.1% of revenue, up 30 basis points year over year in the face of approximately 100 basis points in headwinds from recycled commodity and RIN values. Said another way, adjusted EBITDA margin guidance is up 130 basis points year over year, excluding those two commodity tracks. Any moderation in inflationary trends, increases in the values for such recovered commodities, or an E&P waste activity, or additional acquisitions closed during the year would provide upside to our 2023 outlook. To be clear, our outlook does not assume any improvement in recycled commodity values from earlier this year. which, for instance, would add $10 million in annual revenue for every 10% move in price levels, or in RIN values, which would add approximately $5 million in annual revenue for every 10% move in price levels, both of which with very high flow through. We're encouraged by the improvement we're hearing about in February for recycled commodities, with prices in some markets reported to already be up more than 10% from recent lows. That said, we have not factored any such pickup into our outlook. Interest expense is estimated at approximately $255 million, and our effective tax rate for 2023 is expected to be approximately 22%, with some quarter-to-quarter variability. Adjusted free cash flow in 2023, as reconciled in our earnings release, is expected at $1.225 billion on CapEx of $925 million, including $50 million in delayed fleet delivery from the prior year, as noted earlier. We also expect about $30 million in asset sale proceeds, primarily associated with excess facilities we've either replaced or exited.
spk13: Given the expected timing of CapEx and other outflows this year, adjusted free cash flow is expected to start the year relatively lower in Q1 and ramp up higher in the subsequent quarters. Turning now to our outlook for Q1 2023.
spk14: Revenue in Q1 is estimated at approximately $1.895 billion. We expect price plus volume growth for solid waste of 10.5% on pricing of about 11.5%. and E&P waste revenue of approximately $45 million, reflecting typical seasonality. Recovered commodity values are expected to remain in line with recent levels. Adjusted EBITDA in Q1 is estimated at approximately 30% of revenue, or $568 million, in what sets up as the toughest quarterly comparison in 2023 for recycled commodities and RIMS. Depreciation and amortization expense for the first quarter is estimated to be about 13.2% of revenue, including amortization of intangibles of about 38.5 million, or 11 cents per diluted share net of taxes. Interest expense net of interest income is estimated at approximately 67 million, and the tax rate is estimated at about 22%.
spk13: And now let me turn to the call back for some final remarks before Q&A.
spk17: Thank you, Marianne. Our results in 2022 and positioning into 2023 are a testament to the culture of accountability that has been the cornerstone of Waste Connection's 25-year history of outperformance and value creation. We are proud of our accomplishments in 2022 and grateful for the commitment of our over 22,000 employees whose tireless efforts positioned us not only to overcome the challenges of 40-year high inflation compounded by a dramatic drop-off in recycled commodity values during the year, but also to emerge a more cohesive and resilient team. Moreover, their efforts have positioned us with double-digit revenue growth along with adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2023 with industry-leading free cash flow conversions. And to be clear, that's all without any assumed improvements from multi-year low recycled commodity and RIN values, causing an expected 100 basis point margin headwind. We're encouraged by indications that we may already be off those lows and look forward to realizing upside from sustained improvement in these recovered commodities, as well as any moderation in inflationary pressures or additional lemonade activity. Again, sustainability and sustaining ability. We appreciate your time today. I'll now turn this call over to the operator to open up the lines for your questions. Operator.
spk09: Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. This time we'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. The first question will be from Jerry Ravitch. Goldman Sachs, please go ahead.
spk02: Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone.
spk09: Hey, Jerry.
spk17: Good morning.
spk02: Good morning. I wonder if you folks can just expand on the margin cadence implied by guidance. So it just looks like, you know, with the first quarter outlook, you're setting up to be exiting the year with margins up, call it 80 basis points. You're in the fourth quarter and, you know, seasonally adjusted. margin rate that's closer to 31.5%. And I'm wondering as we think about what 24 might look like, it looks like you've got some natural momentum even before thinking about what commodity prices do to drive a year of outsized margin improvement in 24. I'm wondering if that cadence is consistent with how you're thinking about the flows.
spk17: I'll start with the 24 observation and hand it off to Marianne for the quarterly progression in the year. But I think you're right with regards to 24. As much as we said this year is an outsized margin expansion year, excluding the headwinds from recovered commodities, obviously they have 100 basis point headwind and guide up 30. It means the underlying is up 130. really talk about being up to a targeted 20 to 40 basis points, not 130. If you move into next year, again, you've got the franchise markets printing pricing for next year off of CPIs we're seeing during the year this year by mid-year. And so obviously the pricing within the franchise markets should stay in that 6% plus or minus range. We're printing seven this year. As inflation moderates into next year, If inflation does average, like the pundits think, 3 to 4 percent, you know, what you're seeing next year in the franchise markets is really more of the recapture of what we couldn't get in 22, so that becomes an outsized year. And again, as you know, within our overall pricing structure, we typically exceed CPI by about 150 basis points or more. And so, you know, next year should stay that combined with, again, improving recycling values if it steps up during the year, should provide for another above-average margin expansion for the full year above the typical 20 to 40 basis points.
spk15: Now, with regards to the flow during the year.
spk13: Sure. Thanks, Worthing.
spk14: So, Jerry, when you think about the flow during the year, I think the most instructive way to come about it is to look at what the headwinds do. And if you look at that 100 basis point headwind over the course of the year from recycled commodities and RINs, it's heavily weighted to the first two quarters. So if you have about 150 basis points headwind of each of the first two quarters, that gets about cut in half in Q3 and essentially goes away by Q4. If you just play that through, you can see how, to your point, you'd have the toughest comparison earliest in the year, and we've already guided to Q1, which, by the way, pretty similar to the way we guided Q4. And then you'd see the improvement to the ramp over the course of Q1 to Q4.
spk15: would be the overlay of seasonality and your highest quarter still being three would be likely but because there is three, two, four, one in terms of seasonality.
spk14: But the most important thing I think about 23 as the headwinds diminishing over the course of the year, even before we see any improvement.
spk02: Super. Thank you. And can I just shift gears a little bit to talk about RNG? You know, since your last public comments, the EPA's rollout of ERINs and the overall framework really essentially blesses RNG as an effective biofuel. And, you know, with that Context, you know, I'm wondering if we could talk about what number of sites that you folks have that don't currently monetize gas in the plan over time if you get permitting, et cetera, monetize gas at economically viable levels. And, you know, separately, you know, obviously lots of details to be worked out on ERINs, but I'm wondering if you'd be willing to share that. how much energy your gas-to-electric facilities are generating, adjusted for your ownership position?
spk15: Well, I think, yeah, I think you all answered the question within half an hour.
spk17: You asked it, which is there's still a lot of details to be worked out. And our view on ERINs right now is to wait until the final rules are promulgated this year before providing any hypothetical comment on it, because anything you can write now would just be hypothetical, right? Clearly, ERIN provides optionality for the projects we do have underway as we compare one R&D versus ERIN approach. But I still think it remains to be seen who actually owns the ERIN with regards to the OEMs versus generators, et cetera. So let's wait until the final rules get promulgated, and then we'll make some comments on it.
spk02: Fair enough, Worthing. I'm wondering if you'd just comment on the number of facilities part of the question. So what's not monetized yet within your footprint in terms of number of facilities that could get monetized?
spk17: Well, we currently have electric generation facilities at 17 of our sites.
spk15: Thank you. Thank you. Next question will be from Tony Kaplan, Morgan Stanley.
spk09: Please go ahead.
spk12: Thanks so much. I wanted to ask about volume. You have the expiring contracts running through in 22, so that was an impact there, but it did seem That volume is getting progressively softer. You did have some tough comps, but I wanted to talk about sort of is it price discipline or is it the special waste that you called out last quarter or something else? And it seems like you are implying a little bit of benefit or improvement, I should say, in 2013. So just wanted to ask about it and really just the normalized level. I know the expiring contracts are sort of rolling off, so that'll help.
spk17: Yeah, we think about this industry as more of a kind of a plus one, minus one type volume industry. Obviously, it's more of a fixed price service based business. episodically, whether it be through special waste or new contract winds, that could push volume above the 1% episodically. And then gravitational pull kind of brings it back within that range. Obviously, last year, we talked about the purposeful shedding of two contracts that pushed reported volumes below the negative 1%. But we said, hey, adjust it for that. It was still staying, you know, nicely between that zero and negative one. And we've We look at this year as likely another year of zero to negative one. Episodically, there may be a couple things that do drive us above zero into the positive on any one quarter, but we'll wait to see how the year plays out on that. I mean, the important thing, obviously, in this environment is price. The important thing is core price, and that's why we're pleased that the 9.5% in core price that we got into for the year.
spk13: And the only thing I'd add to that, Tony, would be that, you know, we'd say there's
spk14: really been no change, no discernible change in any of the trends we've seen. If you think about it, roll-off folds have been in that flat to kind of up a point or two. Landfill volumes have been, you know, flattish to down a little bit all year long. I look at January numbers. They're not materially different. Maybe January's a little better than December was. There's always a little noise in the winter, but The key is that we haven't seen any market change really for the last year or so.
spk12: Great. And I was hoping you could talk about your sustaining ability within sustainability. My question really is, do you see sustainability as being a bigger part of your strategy in the future? I know you gave the EBITDA benefit and the CapEx, but just broadly, I guess, maybe just talk about your differentiators versus peers in sustainability.
spk15: the sustainability area? Well, first off, we've always noted that, you know, our discussion of sustainability efforts, you know, have been core to who we've been for 25 years.
spk17: It's just we're speaking more about it these past few years and telling our story, right? So I think we're I think we are getting a little bit better at being more transparent about what's been going on through these years. Obviously, you know, our take and view on investment in it is a balanced view of projects we own versus projects we partner on. And again, that approach, as we talked about, is the dollar for dollar return of EBITDA for CapEx dollar deployed in the aggregate. But it doesn't change who we are. I think our, I mean, the discussion about sustaining ability really is one of reminding folks that sometimes the pendulum swings from execution all the way over to five-year-out promises on sustainability and what it might deliver. I mean, I think we're proud to focus on both what we're doing quarter-in, quarter-out, year-in, year-out, how our folks step up to, we've talked about again, some of the most challenging operating environments we've seen these past few years, and we're proud to talk about the here and now. And so I think we've Over 25 years, if you want to define sustainability, I think it's that performance you've seen over 25 years. And hopefully that pendulum that swings from execution to sustainability and really swung hard to the sustainability side from just a conversation on the market, hopefully that's drifting back more to a more balanced view of both execution and sustainability.
spk15: Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
spk03: Mr. Operator, are you ready for your next question?
spk17: Yes, Nick. Thank you. If you could let the next question come through.
spk03: Yes, that's Kevin Chang with CIBC. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you. Thanks and good morning. Maybe if I could just talk about the M&A pipeline. If I look at maybe the average size of the deals, they steadily increased the past few years and really saw a marked jump in in 2022, and I'm just wondering, it sounds like we should expect another outsized year in 2023, but has the composition of that pipeline changed at all, i.e., are you seeing larger companies for sale? Are you seeing maybe the pipeline getting bigger in terms of what you'd look at as a tuck-in acquisition? It'd be interesting, just given some of the trends we've seen in terms of the average size per deal the past few years.
spk17: Sure, and you're right. I mean, Kevin, there have been some what I would call more outsized transactions, you know, companies with 50, 60, 85 million or 100 million type revenue profile. But, you know, like an average year for us is 15 to 18 transactions. That might be two to four new market entries between, you know, 20 and 40 million of revenue. And it might be 10 or 12. tuck in or market expansion of acquisitions that could be as low as a million or two million or as high as five or eight million. It's just that the combination of those 15 to 20 transactions typically has gotten us to an average of about 150 million. It's just when we do have a year of 24 acquisitions with a good handful of them being 50 plus million in revenue, that's what really drives the number to 640 million If you look at the pipeline right now, I mean, it's still what I would call middle of the fairway, you know, where 20 to 40 million is considered a large transaction. And there's a lot of fives and tens in there as well. There's nothing that's, you know, what I would call outsized, but never say never. It's early in the year, right? But no, the average profile of what we're targeting is no different. It's just, you know, sellers of great businesses take the time to sell. And it's just, you've seen, you know, more people come to market or finally after 20 or 30 years of dialogue decide to say, hey, it's time to sell. The transaction earlier this year, again, 35 million fully integrated franchise in the West Coast, again, right in the sweet spot of that 20 to 40 million.
spk06: Perfect. That's super helpful. And maybe just a second one for me, just a clarification. You talked about, you know, the potential upside, you know, you know, with the IRA, just confirming, it doesn't sound like you're assuming any of that in your, I guess, in 2023 numbers or even your longer term kind of return profile on these investments in RNG. It sounds like that would be upside to the numbers you provided in your prepared remarks.
spk17: That's right. I mean, we've got, again, an investment tax credit that could apply to the plant we're bringing online the second half of this year. Maria noted, you know, it could be about $10 million of, of cash tax savings in the current year. And that could be higher than that, but let's wait to see how this thing plays out. It might be the first ITC that's applied for. Clearly, it's the first one for us to see how that process moves through. But that's not in our number. Obviously, that would help on the free cash flow and obviously reduce the net investment basis in that plant. And again, with regards to ERINs, we have not assumed anything in our outlook as we wait to get that rule finalized.
spk15: Perfect. Congrats on a very strong 2022 there. Thank you very much. Thank you.
spk09: Thank you. Our next question will be from Walter Sprackling, RBC. Please go ahead.
spk04: Yeah, thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the sensitivity on OCC. It's a big challenge for analysts that have varying conservatism in different management teams' estimates on some of these things to to have that and normalize for it. And is it fair to say that, although you said for every 10, I think it was 10% is 10 million revenue, that's also EBITDA as well? Presumably this flows right to the bottom line, is that right?
spk14: Yes, it's fair to say that. As I said, the prepared remarks, very high floats are on both OCC and RINs, yes.
spk04: Okay, so that's great. And then on acquisitions, When you're buying a lot of companies, it was indicated by one of your peers that sometimes they come with some assets that are in areas that you may not necessarily want to be in or it's more difficult to operate in and it's leading to some asset sales by one of your peers. Is that something that you're finding as well? Would you consider pruning or swapping? Would you be buying assets that competitors are selling in markets where perhaps they're smaller and you're larger and vice versa. Is that something that you see a possibility as doing or are most of your acquisitions in areas you want to be in and kind of build up in that area?
spk17: Yeah, if you think about, again, the profile of the companies we're buying, you know, typically they're in a singular market, right? So it's not like
spk15: It's not like they're coming with, you know, multi-state operations.
spk17: And we love two of the states, but not a third state, et cetera. So when you're the size companies that we're talking about and profiling, then, you know, there's really nothing to divest. I mean, episodically, do they come with
spk15: Might they have a bad municipal contract that we need to play out and reprice and be whether we keep it or lose it? Sure. But it's not a wholesale geographic exit. Okay. That addresses my questions. Appreciate it. Turn it back.
spk09: Thank you. Next question will be from Noah Kane of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
spk15: Thanks. Maybe give us a picture on the labor front.
spk18: We start to lap these high single-digit rates of labor pressure flowing through the P&L. How would that play into the margin outlook that you've outlined for the back half and some of the expectations that you outlined for 2024?
spk15: Well, I would say, of course, wage rates stay in what I call the mid-to-high single digits. overall pressure standpoint, I think wages and wage pressures for the service economy generally will be more persistent than software engineers and others that you've seen in the headlines getting laid off. Obviously, we price above wage pressures. We've seen that consistently. I'd say the good news on labor is that
spk17: you know, as we moved through Q4, turnover improved sequentially as we moved through the year and entered this year. Our ability to hire has improved month to month as we move through the year, and Q4 was one of our highest periods for new hires. And I say that because, you know, the The one pressure that's been on wages during the last two years when hiring was more difficult was the scale of the new employee coming in was intersecting somewhere within the current wage.
spk15: ...resisting employees. So now we're looking at more typical and normalized wages.
spk17: Obviously, the wages we put in place for the year are mostly in place. And so we'll live with that this year. But clearly, if inflation steps down, As we move throughout the year and get into 24, as turnover continues to improve and retention improves, I certainly expect wages, the wage pressure to be mid to low single digits as we move into 24.
spk18: That's great, Collin. Thanks.
spk15: And I'm sure others will ask about some specific guidance items, but I just want to ask, what is the actual sustainability capex budget for 2023? Since you mentioned sustainability. Right. So as we mentioned, The 150 would get spent in 122 and 50 and 23. And that's shifted to more like 75 and 75 or a little more than that, given the new project.
spk14: So 75, call it 75 days.
spk15: 85 million in 2023. Okay. So, really, no, sorry, go ahead. More there.
spk17: So, as you see, that play out with a total of 200 that we've talked about for R&Gs, and then you've got the the two recycling facility plants.
spk15: I mean, as that CapEx kind of burns off through 25, then you see the CapEx percentage of revenue dip back down. That's when you see the conversion you know, of free cash flow to revenue, again, start approaching 16.5%.
spk17: Again, and that's when if you start layering on the contribution of the renewable fuel plants by 26, that additional $200 million or so structurally moves the free cash flow generation to revenue by 26 to about 17.5% of revenue.
spk18: Well, thanks for anticipating my question, Worthing. I'll leave it there.
spk17: And by the way, your wife wants you to pick up eggs on the way home.
spk16: I'm joking.
spk17: You got it.
spk09: Thank you. Next question will be from Tyler Brown. Raymond James, please go ahead.
spk10: Hey, good morning.
spk17: Hey, Tyler.
spk10: Hey, Marianne, did I hear you right? But at this point, 75% of your pricing is already set for 23. And if that is right, doesn't that feel a bit more visible at this point in the year? Would that be fair?
spk14: That is, it's a great point, Tyler. So typically coming into the year, by the time we report Q1, we're in the position to make a statement like that, that 75% plus is either in place or is known because it's linked to a CPI adjustment, which has a look back period. And this year we're that much further ahead because of the The nature of the price increases in 22. So if you think about it, there are a few different buckets that contribute to the 75% that's known or in place. One is the rollover contribution from PIs done last year, which of course accelerated over the course of the year. And so it sets us up for having more rolling over. The next piece is the CPI linked contract, which as we've talked about, step up from 5% to 7% in 2023. So that piece is known. And then the final piece is what we've already put in place with our typical early approach to pricing, which was no different this year. We hit it hard during the vast majority of our price increases in January this year. And so the combination of those three buckets really is what gets you to about 75%, as we describe it, already known or in place.
spk10: Yeah, perfect. Okay, that's very helpful. And then can we quickly rewalk the Q4 margin? margins were down 30 basis points. I think you said 150 basis point had winning commodities, but how much specifically from M&A and maybe from fuel impacted margins? Can you just go over this real quick?
spk14: Sure. So the pieces are that there was a 60 basis point drag, six euro from acquisitions, which is why we made the point that, you know, it was up 30 basis points year over year, X acquisitions. And that was in the face of fuel was about a 60 basis point headwind and recycled commodities were about 150 on their own.
spk10: And then if I'm not mistaken, you have a hedge position in your fuel. How does that play out for next year? I'm certainly assuming that's in the guide, but I just want to maybe when we think about this 23 margin walk. You talked about the 100 basis points from commodities, but what about from fuel? And then specifically as well, what about from M&A? It just seems like you bought some very nice vertically integrated companies in 22. So is that maybe not as big of a drag?
spk14: Yes, sure. The bridge is simpler this year, Tyler, because of a couple of reasons. So acquisitions in the aggregate looking over the full year are there really is no discernible drag from acquisitions. And that's because, to your point, of the nature of the assets we acquired in 22 and the concentration to disposal assets. Now, as I look through the year, there's a little drag in Q1 and then that abates. So as I said, for the full year, I'd consider it about flat. And fuel has a similar dynamic in that It is a headwind in Q1. It's about 30 basis points. And then that flips. And for the full year, it's really not a headwind at all. And that's because your question about hedges, about 50% of our fuel is now hedged. And between the movement in what fuel prices have done and the incremental locks we advantageously put in place late last year, we've basically de-risked that. So at current levels, There's no impact from Joule.
spk10: Okay, perfect. And then I've had a couple questions, so I just want to kind of go over the free cash flow guide and make sure I've got it all straight in my head. So last quarter, I think you said there was line of sight to double-digit free cash flow growth. I'm going to say that was off of your one-spot, one-sixth guidance, which would have put you at, call it, just under $1.3 billion, assuming, call it, you know, low, low double-digit growth. but it sounds like there's about 50 million more in CapEx than was anticipated. So if I kind of take that off, that's what kind of gets me back to where the guide, is that the right way to kind of square all that?
spk14: Yes, I would agree with that. The number I would use is a 10% increase off of what we expected to deliver before we over-delivered in 22 was 1,275. You back off 50 million, you're at the 1,225 guide that we provided.
spk10: Yep, perfect. And then just my last one real quick. We talked a little bit about this, but holistically, what is kind of the unit cost inflation assumption in 23, including labor and subcontractor and everything, kind of all in?
spk17: Yeah, we're assuming a range between about 6% and 7% all in.
spk09: Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Next question will be from Michael Hoffman of Spiegel. Please go ahead.
spk07: Good morning, and I'm not buying eggs. They're eight bucks a dozen these days. The free cash, I wanted to ask free cash flow a different way. How should I think about two or three year free cash flow growth stack, given there's lots of things in any given period these days? So what's the message about the growth stack, if you will, on free cash?
spk17: Sure. I mean, you look at first off on the CapEx side, again, you've got you know, almost 100 basis points of revenue or 1% of revenue from sustainability projects in the current year and next year. Again, I'm rounding. It starts to moderate as you get into 25. And so once we're through that, you know, that puts this year we're guiding, what, about 15.5% or more as a percentage of revenue. That puts us back to that 16.5% range as a percentage of revenue, and it puts it back above, comfortably above the EBITDA, over 50% of EBITDA. But again, as the R&G starts kicking in, as we're getting, as we said before, about $200 million of incremental EBITDA by 2026, the tax effect, that's putting another 1.4%, 1.5% by then, cash flow generation as a percentage of revenue. And again, that's why I said as we get into 26, we ought to be stacking up to about 17.5% or approaching 55% or so of EBITDA.
spk07: Okay. And that's the important point is you've been living in a 50 to 55 closer to the low end. You're moving back towards the 55.
spk17: Right. Because what's pushed us to the closer to 50 here obviously is the additional sustainability capex, right? As well as higher interest rates, higher cash taxes, et cetera. But, but in October, you know, we, we knew where interest rates were going and we knew what cash taxes were going into Mary Ann's point. You know, that's, this isn't, we don't see here today surprised by the year over year changes. Yeah. Cash taxes are up a hundred million. We knew that, you know, we, we know cash interest is up. It's more so for us for acquisition outlays. It's just that, you know, as you know, the total debt outstanding grew by about a billion eight year over year. And, you put any sort of floating rate of five, five and a half percent on that, I'm not surprised that cash interest is up 65 million or something year over year. And so it's, anyway, that's not a surprise. It's just the 50 million in fleet, as we move through the last four months, I mean, the numbers of delays went from less than 50 and maybe we'll still get them to 125, to 170, to 200, to 205 units as you exited the year. We're sitting here waiting for a fleet we ordered two years ago that still hasn't been delivered. The 22 CapEx was ordered in early 21. And so it's that uncertainty. The good news is we held it to 50 million because we were able to pay for the chassis. And it's really just the bodies on 200-plus units, the cost of that that's drifted into this year.
spk07: Okay. And then can you share with us, as bonus depreciation unwinds, what's the total dollar amount that it's going to walk back through?
spk17: Yeah, I mean, it's obviously in this CapEx outlay, it's tough to, on a dollar basis, it's going to merge. But, yeah, because what happens is there's, You know, there's certain limitations of how much bonus appreciation we apply in any one year. Our cash taxes this year ought to be 65 to 70 percent of the gap accrual because of the amount of bonus appreciation carryover that we didn't use in prior years, right? And so, it's not as a direct step down that other companies might have been talking about because, you know, we have a little different book here.
spk07: Okay. And then, if I could shift gears to the RNG, If I include Lashanae plus the four that are being developed, how many MMB to you will you own when you're done in that $200 million of EBITDA?
spk17: I don't have that number. That sounds more like an engineering question. But, look, I think more about revenue. And, you know, if we did, what, about $100 million or so of landfill gas and rinse revenue last year, and we stepped that up to $300 million or so by 2026, you know, we're going, and by then the company obviously will be bigger than the $8 billion we're guiding to now, and so overall on a revenue basis, you know, RENs could become, and landfill gas could get to that 3% or so of revenue, you know, from the 1, 1.5% it is right now.
spk07: Okay, sliced a different way, is your base assumption a $2 REN and a $2.50 gas to get to that revenue number?
spk15: Correct.
spk07: Okay. Everybody wants to ask about volume, and I've always heard you say you'll trade volume for price all day long. But another way to talk about volume is service intervals, sort of what's the underlying trend in the small container business. How would you frame that? Because I think that's the good line.
spk17: I mean, as I look at just the last six months of last year to see that net new business remain positive through the year on a month-to-month basis. And so, obviously, increases in new business are more than offsetting loss in any decreases.
spk07: Okay. And then you always have a phrase for each year. So can you share with us what growth gratitude is? What's the message?
spk17: Sure. Obviously, you know, last year was intentional and we talked a lot about what intentional meant to us through the years. Look for me, and I won't spend much time on this, but to me, growth is not about, you know, top line growth and growth in the business. It's more about the personal and professional development and growth of our leaders. Right. I mean, it, Our leaders have spent, you know, exhausting amount of effort looking after their people through a very challenging time, pandemic, health, welfare issues, et cetera. And so our leaders just need to remember to invest in themselves and their own personal growth. And obviously we will further that based on the amount of discretionary to be, we don't have to be training development discretionary, but we, we put a lot of effort and a lot of, a lot of dollars into training development. And so it's a reminder of our leaders to take care of themselves. Don't forget to take care of themselves and grow personally while they look after others as servant leaders. And obviously gratitude, gratitude is should be the DNA of any servant leader in recognizing and appreciating their employees and all the good benefits that come from that. And so, you know, it's just a, it's a chance to reflect, um, on individuals and how grateful we all are to be part of this organization and keep that front and center as we move forward.
spk13: Great. Thank you very much.
spk09: Thank you. Next question will be from Chris Murray, ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk08: Yeah, thanks, folks. Good morning. Maybe turn it back to the CapEx question a little bit. I guess a couple parts of this. First, if you look at this is the CapEx and the percentage of revenue is going to be a little bit higher this year with, I guess, the catch-ups. I guess a couple things to think about. One, as we move into kind of later years and out of 22 and things start to normalize, is there any reason to believe that CapEx doesn't step back to kind of historical levels, kind of around 10% of revenue? And then second, just looking at the cost line. You know, you've kind of mentioned labor and fuel a little bit, but does getting these additional vehicles or maybe some other things, is there anything that you can talk about in terms of cost reductions or cost improvement in the margin that lets you maybe generate margins over and above what you can just do with price?
spk17: You know, I'll take part of it. I mean, from a... From how we run the business standpoint, there's not some great investment that's going to miraculously take out 7,000 heads and change the labor profile of this business. Do we automate and push local communities to automate? Is that their decision? Yes. In some cases, it's a very long dialogue, but we have a couple of markets that we'll be automating that will help on the labor side. Obviously, I think we've just celebrated our 50th robot to go into our recycling facilities. Obviously, each one theoretically should take up, if you double-shifted, three to four headcounts in each per robot deployed. I'll be curious to see, looking at headcounts, if that's actually happened or not. But obviously, we have gotten the benefit of much higher quality of product on the outbound, and the pricing we're getting above the high on the sheets has been a huge benefit for us. and the ability to move our product given the quality of the product. And so they're not just labor benefits sometimes, they're other benefits as well. And so we're constantly looking around the edges on that. Obviously, with regards to AI and use of technology, we're not using that to try to replace heads with regards to customer service. We're trying to make the customer service experience improved And the pressures of responding to inbounds lighten up a little bit, you know, to improve retention around that, not to replace people, right? And so anyway, it's just our approaches and how we message is a little bit different. But suffice to say, there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes around this.
spk14: And Chris, with respect to CapEx as a percentage of revenues, You're right to your observation that we have been in this period where, as we've described, whether it's sustainability-related investments, whether it's opportunistically making outlays for real estate as we look forward for future growth, various reasons, you've seen that running higher. And I think it's a reminder of why price has been so important. As we remind people, there's inflation not just in the P&L, but also on the CapEx side. You look at what the cost of construction projects has done And really, you know, we're glad we've had the focus on price as we've had. But all that being said, we do look forward as we move through this period to getting back to a more normalized rate. And I'd encourage you to think of that as more as 10.5% to 11% is how to think about kind of the base capex for, you know, a low amount of volume growth in kind of a typical year.
spk15: Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, folks. Thank you. Next question will be from Stephanie Moore of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk11: Hi, good morning. Thank you. I kind of wanted to put together, I think, a lot of the questions that have already been asked, but maybe asked a different way. I realize you're not accounting for much improvement in inflationary expectations, but I'm trying to think about it. If that's the case and inflationary pressures do stay elevated, does that mean you could see some Upside even on the pricing side, I realize that you're, you know, there's pretty good visibility, you know, 75% you called out, but is there still an opportunity for a bit more upside if inflation stays elevated? But then on the other side, if it does kind of abate from here, then, you know, clearly would expect there to be upside from the margin front as that improves. Or is there a possibility we see a little bit of both? Just trying to kind of put all the pieces together. Thanks.
spk17: Sure. Good question. No, we have implemented pricing assuming it stays elevated. And so it's not like staying elevated longer is going to be a surprise that we need to go back in again. We've anticipated that. So to the extent that it does start abating, as we noted, that is upside because pricing is done. And so, no, we view that as more upside than trying to chase inflation like we've had to do these past two years, right? And so our folks are ahead of it. A lot of economists think inflation is going to be crossing 3%, 3.5% by the end of this year. We didn't price assuming the downward slope that most economists have from January to December because if you do that and they're wrong, which they've been pretty consistently wrong, then we've mispriced our business, right? And so we've assumed elevated for longer. And to the extent it does abate, we'll get the upside from that.
spk13: Understood. I'll leave it at that. Thank you, guys.
spk15: Thank you. Next question will be from Carl White, Deutsche Bank.
spk09: Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I know a lot has been talked about M&A, but I'm just curious, just given the fact that you spent quite a bit on acquisitions this last year, Do you have the appetite and internal firepower to complete another outsized year of acquisitions in 2023, or should we expect it to be relatively subdued as you work to integrate some of those deals last year?
spk17: Good question. Remember, after our dividend, we still have almost a billion dollars of free cash flow to fund M&A. And so we're not constrained from a balance sheet standpoint to do another outsized year. I mean, if we just If an average year is $150 million and let's say we do $150 to $200 million of required revenue this year, that's probably us spending about a half a billion dollars. And so we still have another half a billion left over for anything that might come along to put that number above $200 or to apply for other purposes. And so I think we're blessed to have the flexibility given the strength of the business and the cash flow generation and the growing denominator in EBITDA, which that also brings leverage down. to remain flexible for any opportunities that come.
spk14: And to that point about balance sheet flexibility, we ended the year at a little over 2.9 times debt to EBITDA. And if we're kind of in a normalized environment, we just do an average amount a year deals, then we'd expect that leverage to just dynamically de-lever, come down to about two and a half times over the course of the year.
spk05: Got it. That makes sense. And then on pricing, just what's been the reception, the customer reception to kind of the pricing environment more recently or compared to pre-pandemic levels? And then on that, it seems like the industry has been very disciplined on pricing front since the pandemic and over the past few years. Do you see any signs that this discipline will carry forward, maybe such that you could see a step change in pricing behavior for the better over the longer term? Or do you just view this all as a byproduct of the inflationary environment we're in?
spk17: I think it's a byproduct of the inflationary environment. It's a byproduct of some of the companies that live on a lower margin having much more pressure on wages given the wage profile that they had going into the pandemic to support that kind of low pricing. Obviously, CapEx dollars are up. And so, you know, the pricing umbrella is there because of cost pressures, because of declining commodity values, wage pressures, et cetera. To the extent that, you know, inflation does go down to 2%, 2.5%, 3% next year, I certainly expect that pricing should step down with it, right? I mean, it's just because you can do 10% price doesn't mean you should be doing it in a 3% environment, right? And so... You know, I certainly expect that as we think about a longer-term spread to inflation, that as inflation comes down, we'll maintain our spread and exceed that. But we'll step down as inflation steps down, too.
spk15: Sounds good. Good luck in the year. Thank you. Thank you. Next question will be from Stephanie Yee, J.P.
spk09: Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Good morning. I wanted to ask, at what point would you consider share repurchases as part of your capital allocation, perhaps this year?
spk17: Sure. Well, as you know, last year we spent, what, about $425 million on share repurchases. And so we're opportunistic. And so we maintain an authorization to repurchase up to 5% of our shares annually. And to the extent we dip our toe in the market again, remains to be seen. But look, acquisitions are always a higher and best use of our excess capital. And so it's first and foremost directed that way.
spk14: And of course, in an environment like this, Stephanie, where incremental borrowing costs are over five and a half percent, then debt repayment is another avenue that we'll consider.
spk01: Okay, that makes sense. And can you just make a comment on your customer retention rates overall?
spk17: Yeah, retention's quite high. I mean, I think the other companies have talked about it as well. You know, the reality is when we talk about labor constraints, it's, you know, it's across the industry. So it's, you know, the ability for competitors to poach is as constrained by their lack of access capacity as others. I'd say that service in this environment matters a great deal. You can't put price on the street and not service your customers, right? And so retention has been quite high. I'd say all-time high. I'd say retention on pricing, even at these levels, is at its highest level as well. And so, again, that just shows you the overall constraints that everyone is operating under, not just one company or another.
spk13: Got it. Okay. Thank you very much.
spk09: Thank you. Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Next question will be from Sean Eastman, KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk00: Hey, guys. This is Nick on for Sean today. I just wanted to come back to sustainability. A lot of your competitors are talking about sort of increasing demand for plastic circularity. Is that consistent with maybe what you're seeing in the marketplace? And if so, would that be something you'd consider exploring further down the line?
spk17: I think our view right now is we're happy to be a supplier of recovered plastics to some of these investments or others that are chasing this.
spk15: Thank you. Thank you.
spk09: This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Worthing Jackman for closing remarks.
spk17: Please go ahead. Terrific, Nick, and thanks for being there for us today. If there are no further questions, on behalf of our entire management team, we appreciate your listening to and interest in the call today. Marianne and Joe Box are available today to answer any direct questions that we do not cover that we're allowed to answer under Reg FD, Reg G, and applicable securities laws in Canada. Thank you again. We look forward to seeing you at upcoming investor conferences. or on our next earnings call. Thank you.
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