4/30/2019

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the first quarter 2019 Well Tower Earnings Conference Call. My name is Nicole and I will be your operator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question and answer session towards the end of this conference. If at any time during the call you require assistance, please press star followed by zero and an operator will be happy to assist you. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Tim Mahug, Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance. Please go ahead, sir.

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

Thank you, Nicole. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Well Tower's first quarter 2019 results. Following the safe harbor, you'll hear prepared remarks from Tom DeRosa, CEO, Shak Mitra, Chief Investment Officer, and John Goodie, CFO. Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made during this conference call may be deemed forward-looking statements in the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Well Tower believes results projected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, the company can give no assurances that its projected results will be attained. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are detailed in this morning's press release and from time to time in the company's filings with the SEC. If you did not receive a copy of the press release this morning, you may access it via the company's website at WellTower.com. And with that, I will hand the call over to Tom for his remarks in the quarter.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

Thanks, Tim. I'm pleased to report a strong quarter, completely in line with the expectations we laid out for you at our Investor Day last December. These results are the product of consistent growth across all of our business segments, in particular seniors housing, where performance is being driven by an ongoing stabilization of occupancy, which Well Tower began to benefit from in 2018. We expect this to continue through the rest of the year. We also continue to benefit from excellent access to capital, which allowed us to both fund our contractual investment pipeline and position the balance sheet for opportunistic investments going forward, locking in long-term value creation for our shareholders. Our differentiated strategy and approach to capital allocation has resulted in a total of $2 billion in new investments closed or announced since the start of 2019, bringing a creed of new investment volume to over $6 billion since early 2018. This is enabling Well Tower to deliver the earnings growth we report to you today. Simply put, we run Well Tower to deliver sustainable and reliable growth to our shareholders. Our results demonstrate that our strategy works. Shaq Mitra will now give you a closer look at our operating performance in the quarter, as well as our new investment activity.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Shaq. Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. I will now review our quarterly operating results, provide additional details on performance, trends, and recent investment activity. At our Investor Day in December, we gave you a detailed look into our view of senior housing supply and how adjusted competition units and yet to open inventory shock impacts our -in-class portfolio within our specific micro markets. While pundits proclaim supply headwinds for years to come using their gut feel as it suits their story at a given moment, our data analytics team of statisticians and computer scientists armed with machine learning, not gut feelings, informed our prediction of the turn in our operating trends that I have discussed with you over the last three quarters. However, I have to admit our first quarter shop results exceeded our expectations in all three main drivers, rate, occupancy, and labor cost. Same store and wine for the shop portfolio is up 3% year over year driven by 60 basis points of occupancy growth, .9% rate growth, partially offset by .6% labor cost growth, these are the best fundamental results we have seen in a long time. Sequential results are even more encouraging. Sequential revenue growth of .4% in a usually seasonally weak first quarter is one of the best we have seen in years and is driven by both strong rate and occupancy. More interestingly, this quarter, for the first time in five years, we saw sequential revenue per occupied room growth of 3.3%, outpaced compensation per occupied room growth of 2.8%, resulting in a positive spread of 50 basis points. One of the most underappreciated aspects of our company is the strength and diversity of our senior housing operating platform, which has 23 operators in three countries. In any operating business, growth is not always a straight line, as many of us wish it was. However, due to significant diversity of our operating partners across geographies and acuity spectrums, that volatility is softened in the aggregate. Over the last few years, we have routinely seen parts of our portfolio results that resembles the challenges of the industry at large, but these operators have consistently been pulled up by other operating partners who serve a completely different customer need in another part of the country. Having said that, this quarter, we experienced broad strength across a majority of our operators. Exceptional UK results are driven by significant asset management efforts by our UK team headed by Justin Skiver, a deep negative comp in prior year, and the lease up of a couple of low occupancy assets. We expect UK results to normalize as we move through the year. On the other hand, the Canadian platform, facing a tough comparison year, is expected to normalize upwards as the year progresses. We continue to be encouraged by our US portfolio this quarter. NOI is up .2% year over year, driven by 40 basis points of occupancy increase, .8% rate growth, and particularly encouraging .8% compensation for occupied room growth. We have seen broad-based strength across larger and smaller markets. From a product-type perspective, our industry-leading assisted living and memory care portfolio drove results with 4% NOI growth. While a handful of quarters does not make a trend, we are cautiously optimistic that our portfolio is positioned for significant cash flow growth for years to come. While results were in line in our other lines of businesses, I want to highlight a few things to help you understand the trend. First, in our senior housing triple net segment, the reduction of coverage is driven primarily by the removal of StoryPoint portfolio, which we sold in the quarter and somewhat by Brookdale Underperformance. As you know, we consider StoryPoint to be one of our best and most strategic operating partners. Yet, we sold these assets at an offer we could not refuse. We sold these -plus-old assets at a .6% yield at an unlevered IRR of almost 19% for our 8-plus years of ownership, which achieved an NOI trigger of .2% in face of significant headwind. We continue to grow with StoryPoint through a new Ridea and Venture with two brand new assets that we just bought, several in development, and are transitioning many more communities to Dan and Brian that we believe will see cash flow growth similar to that experience in the portfolio that we just sold. While we are not working on any lease restructuring in our senior housing triple net portfolio at this moment, we have plans for every asset and frankly, we'll be happy to get back many of these assets so that we can transfer them to the operators like StoryPoint so that you, as our shareholders, can enjoy significant upside. Secondly, our post-acute portfolio decline in coverage is driven by a handful of LTACs we own, which is less than 1% of our asset base. Skilled nursing licensed assets, which constitute a vast majority of our post-acute bucket, either in the traditional sense or in the short-stay category, are stabilizing as I have described in our last quarter earnings call and you subsequently heard from Genesis. While makeshift is still a headwind, we are encouraged by occupancy growth, recent reimbursement announcements, and upcoming PDPM implementation in Q4. Third, we're very happy with the capital deployment plan in our Prometica HCR Manocare assets. Prometica HCR Manocare team is working diligently with our data analytics team to prioritize capital deployment. We have 45 assets slated to go through this CAPEX program in the next three to four months. And last, as I have no note what the update for our outpatient medical operating results were very encouraged by .1% net rent increase in the quarter and the dramatic changes that Keith and Ryan are making in that platform to position us for growth next year and beyond. On the capital deployment side, we're busier than ever. We have closed 778 million of investments so far this year and have significantly more that are closing in coming months. These investments have been made both in senior housing as well as medical office segment. In senior housing segment, we continue to grow with our existing partners such as Chelsea and Discovery. We are very excited about our new joint venture, RIDEA relationship with Frontier Management that we established this quarter. Portland Oregon based Frontier is one of the highest operator in the higher acuity segment of the senior housing business. Greg Roderick, who is the CEO and majority owner of Frontier is a third generation operator and leads one of the most operationally focused teams that we have seen in this industry. We have significant plans for growth with this team in near future. As we continue to acquire attractive assets with great operating partners or health systems, we will fund this capital need through disposition and common equity. We expect the parting yield on disposition will be similar, very similar to the initial yield on acquisition. But our thesis is to drive higher total return or IRR in that trade through higher growth rate and lower capex. Whether through disposition or common equity, we only allocate capital when we believe this thesis holds. However, there can be timing difference when the capital is raised and acquisition is closed. This timing difference, which has no impact on our run rate earnings can impact quarterly earnings. But we're willing to make that trade off in order to minimize balance sheet risk and lock in long term value creation as Tom described. We are not interested in rolling the dice in this volatile capital market by playing short term game, short term earnings game, but rather driving long term cash flow and NAV growth. Beyond our significant organic acquisition machine, we are beginning to see the emergence of value add opportunities. By definition, these transactions are not accretive to cash flow day but they come at a significant discount on core real estate valuation metrics such as price per door or price per foot and will drive significant IRR and NAV growth. We believe our acquisition of South Bay portfolio with discovery that we close subsequent to the quarter end fits in this bucket. We are exploring a few opportunities in the medical office space in this category as well. We are looking for the right opportunity, but we very much like the idea of what these assets can become in hands of Keith and team. In summary, we are very encouraged by accelerating prospect of both internal and external growth opportunities. This will be a very busy year for us on all fronts. With that, I'll pass it on to John Goodie, our CFO. John.

speaker
John Goodie
CFO

Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everyone. It's my pleasure to provide you with the financial highlights of our first quarter 2019. As you have just heard from my colleagues, Q1 has been another successful and very active quarter for Welltower, further highlighting our differentiated portfolio and corporate capabilities. During the quarter, we completed $367 million of gross investments, including $259 million of high quality acquisitions at a blended yield of 6.3%. With twice that value already closed to date in Q2. We also completed $612 million of dispositions in the quarter at a blended yield of 6.7%. In addition, we received $14 million in loan payoffs. Q1 was especially active for Welltower on the balance sheet and capital raising front. During the quarter, we successfully raised $538 million of gross proceeds from our common equity buyer, our DRIP and ATM programs, at an average price of $74.69 per share. In addition, we elected to affect the mandatory conversion of all our outstanding .5% Series 1 cumulative convertible of petrol preferred stock into common stock of the firm. During the quarter, we successfully accessed the senior unsecured notes market, issuing an aggregate $1.05 billion across five and 10 year tenors, using the proceeds to redeem an aggregate $1.05 billion of existing notes due in 2019 and 2020. In doing so, we increased our average debt maturity profile by six months to 8.1 years at the quarter end. Finally, we initiated an up to $1 billion unsecured commercial paper program, providing us with an alternative source for short-term financing. In summary, Welltower continues to enjoy excellent access to a plurality of capital sources to fund and pre-fund our acquisition pipeline and future growth opportunities. Our Q1 2019 closing balance sheet position was strong, with $249 million of cash in equivalence and $2.6 billion of capacity under our primary unsecured credit facility. Our leverage metrics improved from last quarter with net debt to adjusted if it are falling to 5.47 times. Moving on to earnings, today we're able to report a normalized first quarter 2019 FFO result of $1.2 per share representing growth of 3% over Q1 2018. As in the past, we do not include one-off income items such as the lease modification or loan repayment fees in our normalized numbers. Our overall Q1 same store NOI growth was an encouraging .1% for the quarter, with all our segments recording solid growth. Senior housing operating same store NOI grew by .0% in the quarter, with the UK delivering a standout result. Senior housing triple net grew by 4%, outpatient medical grew by 2.3%, and long-term post-acute grew by 3.2%. I'd now like to turn to our guidance for the full year 2019. We are reaffirming our expected normalized FFO range of $4.10 to $4.25 per share and our previously announced expected average blended same store NOI growth of approximately 1.25 to 2.25%, with growth expected in all our business segments. We are also reaffirming our segmental guidance of senior housing operating approximately 0.5 to 2%, senior housing triple net approximately 3 to 3.5%, outpatient medical approximately 1.75 to 2.25%, health systems approximately 1.375%, and long-term post-acute care approximately 2 to 2.5%. As usual, our guidance includes only announced acquisitions and includes all disposals anticipated in 2019. Finally, on May 28, 2019, WellTower will pay its 192nd consecutive cash dividend, being $0.87 per share. This represents a current annualized dividend yield of approximately 4.8%. With that, I'll hand back to Tom for final comments. Tom?

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

Thanks, John. Now, Nicole, please open up the line for Q&A.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw a question, please press the pound key. Please limit your questions to one question and a related follow-up so that all callers may ask their questions. You may re-enter the queue after by pressing star one again. We will pause for a moment to compile the Q&A roster. The first question comes from the line of Daniel Bernstein with Capital One. Good

speaker
Daniel Bernstein
Capital One Representative

morning.

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

Good morning, Dan.

speaker
Daniel Bernstein
Capital One Representative

Hi. Good quarter. I wanted to expand on the comments about value-add opportunities that you first opened up your comments with. What sectors are you seeing that in and maybe what is causing those opportunities to pop up? Is that private equity pulling back? Is it simply developers have kind of hit the end of their line on their development funding and now need to go ahead and sell assets? I just wanted to kind of understand the scope and extend to that.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

Good question, Dan. I'd say it's all of the above. We're seeing opportunities across all of the sectors that we have focused in historically and there are value-add opportunities we see outside of our portfolio and we've talked about value-add opportunities we see inside the portfolio. Shank, you want to expand on that?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yeah. I think, Dan, you were right. What happened is if you think about, you know, we think about supply as it impacts operating portfolio, right, operating results. Also, you think about supply, you think about a lot of inventory that you can either acquire or inventory that people have built, you know, people who are not from this business. You think about multi-family developers, people who have never been into an operating business have built and now they can lease out, right? So that's sort of the point. They're hitting a wall so you can buy these things at, you know, 40, 50, 60 percent occupancy at a very, very good price per door. I'm talking about senior housing segment and, you know, you can do very well with them. On the medical office, there are few and far between. As I said, we're looking at a couple of opportunities, a great price per foot and, you know, the ownership of some of these buildings either have changed their strategic, you know, objective or they just, you know, could not maintain a capital structure that will require ongoing investment like we do in our portfolio and great owners, other great owners do in their portfolio. So we're seeing that more in senior housing but we have some significant opportunities in medical office as well.

speaker
Daniel Bernstein
Capital One Representative

Okay, were those opportunities require a significant amount of capbacks or is it more of an operational improvement that needs to happen? Just trying to understand that. You sound creative from day one. I'm just asking you to put in how long is that going to take.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yep, so if you buy 60 percent leased senior housing portfolio, it's not going to be a creative day one. We know that. Some of these assets are newly built so you don't have to do anything. Some of these assets are older that you need to bring in operational improvement and refresh the physical plan. So it can be both. So if we do require, if some of these things require capex, that will be part of our underwriting, we're not going to think, okay, if you think about what we do with the four sunrise assets we bought from SNH, it was a great value add opportunity. We put capital and we underwrote as a part of it. So it can be both. We are seeing, you know, the one portfolio we did with Discovery, it's a newly built portfolio. So you don't have to put any capex in it. We're seeing opportunities that we do. We're seeing both.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

And if the value add is bringing in one of our operators into a, let's just say, less than optimally managed portfolio of senior housing assets, understand that's not like flipping on a switch. It takes some time. There's always going to be some level of disruption. So that, and we're seeing many opportunities like that where we're seeing assets, the types of assets that Shonk was referring to, or actually our operators are struggling where they know that their management template could significantly turn the performance around. So it's coming from lots of different directions,

speaker
Daniel Bernstein
Capital One Representative

Dan. Dan Cullinan Okay. One more quick question, if I could. I just wanted to ask about how you saw the flu impact in the season. I know it's just a quarter and there's normal seasonality, but the flu season did start late, it's ending late. How did that impact 1Q and how do you see that rolling through your same store numbers as we get into second quarter?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Shonk So I'll just start and then Mercedes will add color to that. So first is that we're very encouraged by, as I said, we're seeing in rate growth, occupancy growth, as well as first time in the expense growth. So I would not characterize our first quarter results are driven by flu. Having said that, we have, as I said, we expect UK to normalize down and Canada to normalize up as we go through the year. We have high hopes for the rest of the year as you have seen. Mercedes, you want to comment on flu?

speaker
spk15

Mercedes Just on flu specifically, I would say that it's been a slightly longer flu season than we traditionally see. Having said that, we haven't had any reports from any of our operators of particular impacts that is noteworthy.

speaker
Daniel Bernstein
Capital One Representative

Dan Cullinan Okay, okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. I'll hop off.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Coordinator Your next question comes from the line of Vickar Malhotra with Morgan Stanley.

speaker
Vickar Malhotra
Morgan Stanley Representative

Morgan Stanley Thanks for taking the question. So Shonk, just wanted to expand, I just want to get more color on sort of the value add, not only product, but just thinking about geography as well. Obviously, I know you focused more on micro markets and sub markets. But as these opportunities come about, how do we think, how should we think about sort of your focus on the traditional coastal markets that you have focused on versus maybe newer markets or newer opportunities in new markets?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Shonk Yeah, Vikram, it's a very good question. So we're seeing these opportunities across all markets. As you know that we don't focus on just what the headline major MSA looks like, we're focused on micro markets. We believe there are seniors that you need to take care of in every market. It just needs to be the right price point. And as you're getting into the investment, it needs to be the right price per door. So as you can see, that even in a Michigan Ohio portfolio and story point, we sold our assets at 90% unlevered IRR. I want to repeat, it's unlevered IRR. So you can make significant amount of money if it's the right assets with the right basis with the right operator. So no change of template across the US, we're seeing these kind of opportunities. We're seeing sort of emergence of certain opportunities in UK. We're seeing certain emergence of opportunities in Canada. We're just, we're interested in all three of our countries across all products.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

But what I would add to that, Vic, is that when you see us go outside of the core coastal markets or the major metro markets in Canada and the UK, it's very operator specific. We cannot underscore enough the operating excellence of companies like StoryPoint. Who face tremendous competition from new supply and have outperformed consistently because of their focus on operations. These are not real estate developers that are trying to participate in a what's considered a new new sector of real estate. These are people that come from really the health and technology sectors who have a differentiated product, again, in not first tier markets and they perform consistently. That's who we align ourselves with.

speaker
Vickar Malhotra
Morgan Stanley Representative

That makes sense. And then just second question, we've obviously seen you be fairly active on the MOB side, but maybe Tom and Sean, can you sort of remind us or update us? You've talked in the past about opportunities with health systems and sort of opportunities, both that could be specific to health systems but also touch senior housing. So could you remind, maybe update us on what sort of opportunities you're seeing with health systems and tie that back to the ProMedica deal?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I will just talk about the medical office aspect of your question and Tom will add on the health system side. If you look at, we have seen, as we have described in last call of 18 months, really we have seen sort of an air pocket in that aspect, that part of the capital markets where the cap rates have become more reasonable and we have done a lot of transactions. As we told you that we need to hit, give or take, 7% unlevered IRR to do any transactions. So we are still seeing opportunities to do that. And there's many ways to get there, but we're focused on unlevered, not levered returns. And if those pricing changes, then you will see that we will get out of the market again like we have two to three years prior to that.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

What I will say about health systems is that when I came here or I came into the CEO spot here five years ago, I came with a knowledge and relationships about the large -for-profit health systems. I have been engaging in that space over the last five years initially by myself and then I brought other people to the company like Schonk and Mark Shaver who have helped really develop the dialogue and relationship. And the one thing I will tell you, as major health systems start to consider their futures, they are thinking much more outside of the acute care hospital space about where they will meet their customers. And I'm saying, I said that word specifically, not necessarily patients because patients means that you are sick. Where they will meet their customers as their models evolve more towards health and wellness of the population rather treating sick people in acute care hospital beds which is simply not sustainable. So that is leading to multilevel discussions with major health systems and what I can tell you is it takes a lot of time to develop these relationships. This does not happen overnight. And we are making very good progress. Great, thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Sadler with KeyBank Capital.

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

Thanks, good morning. I wanted to just start on the same store performance and particularly relative to the guidance. It seems like you guys came in very strong, particularly relative to the guidance and particularly within the senior housing operating portfolio. Can you maybe just comment on sort of what the expectation is that is embedded in the rest of the year's performance for the overall portfolio, but shop in particular?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yes, so as you know by policy, we do not update segment level guidance for the year. We are, you are right Jordan, that we are very excited about the same store performance. Really in the shop but also medical office also outperformed as well. So we are excited about what sort of the year will shape up, but it is too early to change overall same store guidance. But just remember that we do not change segment level guidance through the year. I was just going

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

to say, is there something we should be looking at that will soften up the trajectory? Like so in other words, you did 3% in the shop portfolio in the quarter versus your guide of one and a quarter. But as I look out to the next three quarters, is there something either comp wise on the revenue or expense line item that should cause a meaningful slowdown that I may not be focused on?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I am not going to comment on that. That will be giving you guidance. I would say that we are just focused on different three countries. I expect UK will normalize down, Canada will normalize up, and I expect continued and very, very encouraged by the US performance. Just focus on what I said on sequential basis, right? First time in five years, we saw rep power growth that outpays comp power growth. If you think about that, what that does for the P&L rest of the year, I will leave you to that math. But I will just say answer to your question, I don't see anything that dramatically slows down the performance of the shop portfolio except the UK and UK dynamic that I just described. Okay.

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

That's helpful. And then could you maybe talk about the character of the StoryPoint buyer, so we get an idea of who is out there chasing assets like this?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I can't because of NDA, but I can tell you that everybody and anybody. We are in the public markets are focused that we know when many participants are focused and when the business exactly turns, which private buyers are not. They are seeing a multi-year trend that's coming, and people are excited to deploy capital. So from private equity to all the institutional investors that you are seeing, everybody is interested in the asset class, but this is obviously there is an operating aspect of the business, so people are trying to partner with the right types of operating partners or people like us.

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

Okay. My last one is just regarding the provision you took in the quarter. Is that something based on something that's already happened? I just was confused by the footnote. It's an $18.7 million charge related to a planned restructuring of seniors housing triple net.

speaker
John Goodie
CFO

Is this on that new world? It is Jordan. It's John. Is that exhibit, you're looking at the exhibit two? Is your normalizing adjustment? Yeah, correct. Yeah, I mean that was a provision for a loan. We've taken provision for a loan loss on a restructuring of a couple of triple net buildings that are in special purpose entities. As you pointed out,

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

that was, yes, that occurred during the quarter and there was no the income impact and that restructuring was felt during the quarter.

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

Okay, so that was just another like a conversion when you say restructuring. This is a provision.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

This is a provision in case something happens, right? So this is a provision on

speaker
John Goodie
CFO

the loss. It was a provision against a loan that we provided for a non-full recovery on. Then we did not recognize interest income on that loan

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

in the quarter. Oh, gotcha.

speaker
Jordan Sadler
KeyBank Capital Representative

Okay.

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

Thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from line of Chad Bandicor with Stiefel.

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

All right, thanks. Good morning all. Morning. All right, since we touched on StoryPoint a couple of times, you know, it looks like you sold the triple net portfolio, but you actually expanded your idea of a relationship there. So could you tell us what was the coverage on the triple net portfolio and then what was the rationale behind selling it? Did the operator have a purchase option? Did you want to reduce Michigan exposure if it's something else there?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yep. So we did not expand on RIDEA portfolio, created a new RIDEA joint venture. All right, thanks

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

for clarification.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

So that's sort of first one. Second is the coverage was almost 1.7 times. The reason to sell the operator, those particular assets is what I told you in my presentation. You know, if you have a .6% yield to get to a 19% unlevered IRR, you do that all day. Every asset is for sale at a price. So, you know, we sold the assets because we thought we got the fantastic value. There's nothing to do with the...

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

Did you go to the operator or did the operator come to you?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

No, we got an unsolicited offer.

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

Okay. All right. And then just thinking about the shop portfolio, you've got Brookdale assets, looks like you transitioned about 18 of those. What's the expectation of performance there? What's left to also transition there?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

So I'm glad you asked that question. Our same store pool for shop portfolio has not changed. There was 473 assets. It is still 473 assets. The total number of shop assets changed to 599. Why? Because the restructuring of Brookdale that we talked about, you know, last summer got done, finally got done, some of the assets in California and other places this quarter. So you saw those transactions, those transitions from Brookdale to Pegasus happen this quarter actually on 2-1. So that changed the overall number of show assets. But I want to reemphasize again that our same store pool did not change. What is the expectation? We told you that, you know, we're pretty happy when we did the Brookdale transition. We transitioned the assets so that we have good coverage, right? Our EBITDA coverage for the Brookdale assets is not the 1.3 times, right? Having said that, is it... I don't want to talk specifically about Brookdale. Any assets, we have an operating portfolio. Just think about it. Just our idea portfolio has 23 operators. Our triple net portfolio has several operators. There are assets that can be maximized, the value can be maximized in different operators. So we have plans for every one of these assets. And I went through this in detail two quarters ago, how we think about it, how we look at it. We are more than happy to transition any of these assets if we need to. Brookdale is now about .5% of our total operating... our total income. So it is very, very manageable. That's its cover. And we think that Brookdale, under the current leadership, is turning the business around. If not, we have other operators to transition the assets to, as we have done USC last year.

speaker
Mercedes
Well Tower Representative

Chad,

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

we have had more buildings from the transition portfolio to transition from Brookdale to other operators. We expect that to be done over the next two quarters.

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

All right. Thanks, Tim. And then just one more question on there, which is, you have 10 more buildings. Is that outside of... you had a restructuring agreement, I think there's about 5 million or so of rents. Is that outside that? And then when would you expect that to be affected?

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

No, that is... so these are still part of the original restructuring plan. There's been no further assets added to that since the original transaction. So it's just a matter of... we gave that as kind of a pro forma when fully transitioned, what the difference in income would be. And the last 10 assets are just the last 10 assets from that originally described transaction.

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

All right. And I just want to speak one more question in here, which is, labor costs looked like they were down quarter over quarter, you know, shop. That seems to be the object that the rest of the senior housing market is seeing. So what was the contributor there? And then what's the expectation going forward through 19th?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Labor cost is not down, Chad. Labor cost is up significantly. That trajectory for the first time we saw is on the mend. So if you look at what I talked about that if you in the first quarter sequentially...

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

One sec there, you know, op-ex, you know, from last quarter to this quarter, it looks like it was up like 0.4%, which is flat-ish, right? And that probably shouldn't be the expectation there going forward, right?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. All right. Units, occupied units, the labor cost is up 2.8%. Sequentially quarter over quarter.

speaker
Todd Stendler
Wells Fargo Representative

Okay.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

And the rate is up 3.3%. You understand what I'm saying? Labor cost is still up significantly over a year. I'm talking about... Can we expect

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

you've got rate going up much higher than op-ex and... Not much higher.

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

That's a

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

pretty good portion of growth right there.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

First time in five years we got a positive spread. I'll take it, but just let's not be dramatic. It's 50 basis points. But look, as we talked about, labor cost has been increasing in our portfolio 5% plus on an occupied room basis for the last five plus years. I mean, now you see in the markets... I'll give you an example. Let's just talk about New Jersey, where labor cost is a problem. New Jersey is not slated to be in a $15 market until 2021. If you look at our portfolio across the board, it's $15 plus today. So maybe the regulatory side in many aspects hasn't changed, but the actual labor market, because of competition, has already moved there. Recall that I talked about some of the regulatory-driven change, which is the 15 move to the $15. Let's talk about California. LA has hit $15 last summer. San Francisco has hit $15 last summer. LA is doing that this summer. So after that, you're going to get more of a market driven increase rather than just a big move from $11 to $15, which on a percentage basis is a big number. So I'm not suggesting the labor cost is not going to be a problem. All I'm saying is I'm happy that finally the curve has been on the mend for the first time. Too early to comment whether that continues or not.

speaker
Chad Bandicor
Stiefel Representative

All right. So fair to say, good quarter on that side of the expenses, but maybe change is going forward. We'll see. All right. Well, thanks for time. I appreciate it.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Kim with BMO Capital Markets.

speaker
John Kim
BMO Capital Markets Representative

Thank you. The occupancy gap between senior housing, triple net, and shop has widened over the past year. I think a year ago it was basically the same. And I'm wondering if this is a reflection of the quality difference between the two portfolios or difference in capex spends, and what do you think happens as the year progresses?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

So look, I mean, we have our shop portfolio in bigger markets, in better locations. Generally, that's true. And we also have some really good operators in the triple net portfolio, right? We talked about different operators over a long time. In the recovery, this is fundamentally a local business. Different parts of the country is participating in the recovery in different times. So I wouldn't suggest there is fundamentally something different about senior housing business. We're encouraged by the first quarter results, but this is not yet the time to take a victory lap. But we do think if you think about a longer period of time, we think that you will see improvement in both sides of the house.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets Representative

Okay. And then on the supply, in a three and five mile ring around your assets, I know that's not really how you look at it, but it has increased sequentially. And I'm just wondering how much of a headwind do you think this will be this year, given you've have maintained your guidance for the year? I

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

think your question has the answer, John. That's not how we look at it. We gave you how we look at it, which is adjusted competition unit and you're open-sharked. And we described that we expect roughly 15 to 20% reduction this year and walked you through the details of that on investor day. We still expect that. Now what happens is delays happen some 18 flows into 19 and then 19 flows into 20. So obviously all of these things can be stretched out. But as you can see from our results, the thesis that we had directionally is playing off.

speaker
John Kim
BMO Capital Markets Representative

But did that level of supply increase surprise you, just given it seems like it's impacting your markets more than the national average?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Again, we don't look at it that way. The way we look at it, it's actually down, which is on an ACU and yet to open way. We're not surprised.

speaker
John Kim
BMO Capital Markets Representative

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kyron Ford with MUSG Securities.

speaker
Kyron Ford
MUSG Securities Representative

Hi. Good morning. I appreciated your decision to over-equitize the balance sheet again this quarter and keep your powder dry. Just was wondering if the capital markets stay open. Will you continue this strategy and how do you expect leverage to trend over the balance of the year?

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

Yeah. Karen, I'll take the leverage side first. So beginning in our investor day, we talked about keeping leverage flat throughout the year. We've obviously taken it down significantly. As a just quick note on that, at the time of the investor day, we spoke about that from that diva, the perspective. And as it was not part of our plan to convert our prefers in the first quarter, given our stock was trading, we were given the opportunity to force a conversion on those and we did. So we now expect our leverage on a less preferred basis to come down significantly during the year, as it already has.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Karen, I'll just add to that. You think about the impact when you actually raise capital, whether through disposition or ATM, versus closing an acquisition, there's a gap not because we did not know what we'll do with the capital, but because it takes time. So we generally think about match fund when we signed the PSA, but you think about there's diligence after that. And if you think about a medical office building, you have to think about a roll-fire process, which a health system is on the side of. They don't respond in seven days because we like to close the deal. On the senior housing side, you have to think about, just look at some of the Cogion and Pegasus transactions. In California, it takes six, nine months for you to get the license transferred. So these are the reasons that things change. We're not looking at either a stock or an asset to say, that's a pretty good level, let's just do that. We are doing a match fund basis that difference of timing comes from all these things that are just part of life if you do real estate transactions. I hope that helps you to understand. We do match fund. We're not looking at our stock or not looking at a price of an asset and say, that looks pretty good, let's just do it. We are match funding, but when you sell a stock on a given day, you got the money that day. When you got the license, ultimately, in California, to transfer to close a deal, that probably takes six months. We're not going to roll the dice to think what the capital markets will be six months from now.

speaker
Tim Mahug
Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance

Just to finish that, we expect leverage to come back up as we close on our under contract pipeline. Not more than expected. Then on ATM, as Shauk said, we've got nothing planned as of now, but you should expect us to continue to match fund as we see opportunities. We're very optimistic on that front right now.

speaker
Kyron Ford
MUSG Securities Representative

Understood. Now, that's on the ProMedica HDR continuing integration. I think you said on your comments that you're happy with the way that's going. Can you give us any metrics on that front? Can you talk about what trends are in occupancy margin or synergies? Just to flesh that out a little bit.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I think you heard about many of those on our investor day directly from Randy and Steve, so I'm not going to get into too much. I was trying not to do it. I'll just give you one so that you are happy that your question was answered. We're looking at occupancy both on the skill side as well as on the Arden coach side, which is the senior housing part of ProMedica deal occupancy up in both sides of the house. In skilled, it's up 100 plus basis points. And it's in the senior housing side, it's close to that, but less than 100 basis points. I'll just leave it at that. These things take time. And we are focused on what the long term looks like, but we're happy, very happy with how the short time has played out, whether that's on the reimbursement side or on the cost side, on the synergy side. So we are excited about it. And obviously, as you know, the part of our thesis was these assets we bought at a very, very low basis that was capital starved. And I touched on that, that finally that program, you know, it takes time to do these things. Finally, that program is on the way. We have 45 assets or so, actually really exactly 45 assets to go through that program in the next three to four months. So very, very excited what will happen. And some of them are complete reno. Some of them are catch-ups, carvapel. Some of them are in between. So it's just going through a whole series of programs. And we're excited about that. And we're excited about the innovation program, both on the skills side as well as on the senior housing side.

speaker
Kyron Ford
MUSG Securities Representative

I appreciate your answering the question.

speaker
Lucas Hardwich
Grinch Read Advisors Representative

Thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Lucas Hardwich with Grinch Read Advisors.

speaker
Lucas Hardwich
Grinch Read Advisors Representative

Thanks. Hey, guys. Just a quick one for me. On the StoryPoint sale, was there a near term rent reset or something like that that explains the low cap rate?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

No.

speaker
Lucas Hardwich
Grinch Read Advisors Representative

It

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

doesn't.

speaker
Lucas Hardwich
Grinch Read Advisors Representative

All right. That was it. Thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets.

speaker
Mercedes
Well Tower Representative

Yeah, thanks. I wanted to touch on the long-term post-acute coverage ratios. And, Shonk, I believe you mentioned that the sequential drop related to the LTACs, which is a small part of the portfolio. Can you kind of go through what's actually happening with those LTACs? And it seems like it had to be a pretty big drop to impact coverage that much.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yeah, because you can see what's happening in the LTAC industry that would suggest that you were right about your assumption.

speaker
Mercedes
Well Tower Representative

So what's the plans with the LTAC? Is that something that you guys are going to have to address here in the near term? Or do you expect that they have some things that they can pull to help improve the results? Or what's the outlook with that part of the portfolio?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I'm sorry to comment on that. But as you know, that we are, it's a very, very small part of our portfolio, right? We own a handful of assets. We look at everything from a total return perspective. And if we have to address, we'll address. But I just want to remind you again that it is a very, very small part of our portfolio. That's why I wanted to have the differentiation. Post-acute is now less than 10% of our overall cash flow from a value perspective. Much lower than that. But over 10%, less than 10% of our cash flow. Primarily that is, you know, skilled nursing, skilled nursing licensed businesses, which means also Genesis Rehab, ShortStay, which is technically skilled nursing, but obviously the completely different business, but also traditional skilled nursing. That's primarily what that bucket is. But the handful of LTACs that we own, we're thinking about, you know, how to maximize value there.

speaker
Mercedes
Well Tower Representative

Okay, great. And then just touch on last question on the value add projects that you're looking at. What size of the pipeline does the value add represent right now?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I couldn't even tell you what the pipeline size looks like. We just don't do business that way. So, you know, everything is a function of total return. And if we see opportunities that are we'll do it. If that's 100% of the pipeline or 5% of the pipeline, that's just, we're not trying to sort of put those things in the bucket.

speaker
Unknown
Unknown

All right, great.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Nick Yalicko with Koskosha Bank.

speaker
Nick Yalicko
Koskosha Bank Representative

Oh, thanks. I just want to go back to the shop same store pool, just a clarification. I think you said the pool did not change this quarter versus the fourth quarter. Is that right?

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

Yes, I did.

speaker
Nick Yalicko
Koskosha Bank Representative

Okay. So what I'm confused about it, and if I look at the supplemental, why do the numbers change now versus the fourth quarter in terms of, you know, revenue and expenses for that pool?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I'm not sure I understand the question because there was growth. It's a different quarter.

speaker
Nick Yalicko
Koskosha Bank Representative

No, I just mean if you look at the historical results of the same store pool in the fourth quarter supplemental versus in this supplemental, those numbers are different. The revenue, the expenses and some NOI and so I'm just wondering if there was a change in accounting or if there's something else if this is, you know, since this is supposed to be the same, I guess the same pool. This looks a little strange.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

There is no change in accounting. There are exactly the same 473 assets. The only thing you have to think about the change is the same pool and the same assets. Remember, we own assets outside the

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

United States. Okay.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

But Nick, you do raise a very important question that, you know, just sort of I hear a lot of noise in recent months about our same store policy and our same store and there's just a lot of wasted time on it. So I would like John to address that question. John?

speaker
John Goodie
CFO

Yes, certainly. I think Nick, you know, we essentially disclose two same store parameters. One is the one that we spend all our time talking about. That's our non-GAAP sort of supplemental disclosure. That is essentially our economic participation in those same store buildings and what do I mean by that? I mean that is prorated for our ownership position, as you know, with our 23 Rodeo partners. We often have joint venturing agreements, so we're not 100% owner of those buildings and therefore not 100% owner of the income stream. Whereas for our gap disclosure, we are required also under GAAP to do a consolidated view. So we have to take all of the buildings where we have greater than a 50% ownership, consolidate that and then report that on a 100% basis. So we actually have two different pools, which is why you see two different numbers between the supplemental sort of business view that we use and we talk about with you because we believe that's the one that drives, you know, our view of how we're performing and drives your view, should drive your view on how we're performing versus the gap, which is essentially a mathematical equation that we have to produce to comply with our gap accounting requirements. So that's why that's different. Sometimes that number is, you know, is above, sometimes it's below, you know, it doesn't have necessarily a consistent trend over time.

speaker
Nick Yalicko
Koskosha Bank Representative

Okay, thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Todd Stendler with Wells Fargo.

speaker
Todd Stendler
Wells Fargo Representative

Thanks. Just to drill into the Chelsea acquisition, obviously shows you still an appetite for triple net, but can you share some of the decision behind that? I guess not going into Radea. Is it the growth trajectory labor cost? Maybe just some of the rent coverage and underwriting. Thanks.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

So Mike, if you look at, I believe two quarters ago I addressed this issue holistically on our earnings call. We completely believe in the triple net business. I cannot emphasize that enough that we're sitting here trying to say Radea is the only way to go. Structure is secondary. Primary focus is the quality of assets, the quality of markets, and an alignment with an operator. Several ways you can get to that alignment. You can do it in what we call Radea 3.0. Obviously it's a different bells and whistles on a normal Radea contract, which makes it very, very different. You can also do it on a triple-leaf structure. Obviously have different bells and whistles around it. We continue to believe in that business. We think Chelsea is a good operator and we're going to continue to grow that business.

speaker
Todd Stendler
Wells Fargo Representative

Sean, how about the rent coverage that was underwritten at and how about maybe the capex responsibilities of Chelsea?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Thanks. Yeah, so rent coverage it was underwritten at roughly what we do is when we underwrite a new triple net assets, we're underwriting at a north of 1.5 times EBITDA basis or 1.2 times EBITDA basis. As you know, I believe in our investor data we talked about that some of the assets that we're buying, that a billion dollar pool has an average age of four and a half years. Some of the Chelsea assets that we're buying, they're just developed. So if you think about it, from that perspective, the NOI EBITDA is still ramping up. So, but the stabilized coverage we believe will be in that range that I described.

speaker
Todd Stendler
Wells Fargo Representative

Thank

speaker
Nicole
Operator

you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Dellecati with Barclays.

speaker
Stephen Dellecati
Barclays Representative

Great, thanks. Good morning, everybody. To congrats on these results. So there's been some a lot of big picture questions so far. I guess I have another one here for either Tom or for Shank. Basically, over the past month or so, the Medicare rate updates for 2020 from CMS have been pretty strong for most health care facilities business models. I guess I'm curious to hear whether it feels like this has helped keep momentum going with health systems and other partners just regarding development projects and other transaction activity in that context. And also conversely, maybe more importantly, my guess is that Medicare for all proposals and discussions are probably way too preliminary to give anyone pause or hesitation on development or plan projects. I'm wondering if you're just able to corroborate that view as well. Thanks.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

Yeah, Steve, I would definitely agree with you on the Medicare for all point. That is not driving the strategic thinking at the health systems today. You know, I think it's very early, and I sit on the side of I think it's a completely something that would not work. But we will get into that at another time. But I'm going to have Mark Shaver, who spends a lot of time with the health systems, comment on your earlier point.

speaker
Mark Shaver

Yes, Steve, thanks, Mark. You know, I think we track pretty closely what's happening at CMS. In fact, Tom and I were just at a session with Administrator Verma maybe two weeks ago. And I think we, you know, the country holistically is moving more towards value, both PDPM that Sean alluded to on our post-acute side, the new CMS reforms last week around primary care. We feel it's moving in the right direction. But just like all of our businesses, in certain markets, value is accelerating. And in certain markets, fee for service and the traditional commercial business is very important. So we continue to work with the health systems in different markets that we think are progressive, understand where value is going, but also understand reimbursement under the traditional form as well. And as Tom mentioned, we're working pretty closely with the systems on alternative sites of care and lower cost venues of care. Everything that we do is outside the four walls of the hospital, which we think bodes well for how reimbursement is moving in the country.

speaker
Stephen Dellecati
Barclays Representative

Okay, I appreciate the color. Thanks. Thanks.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

The next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph.

speaker
Nick Joseph
MUSG Securities Representative

I just want to clarify one question on guidance. In terms of the segment, same story, do you plan to update that throughout the year?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

No, Nick, I addressed that before on this call. By policy, we don't do that. We don't update segment-level same-story guidance. We will update, if necessary, the total guidance for the same-story pool. And honestly, you can look at the trends and you can come to your own conclusion. The problem of updating guidance in segments is that overemphasizing any segment, we don't have a favorite children among the segments. As a buyer of wealth, our stock, you get to buy all of them. So we are trying to de-emphasize any part of our portfolio and have you focus on, are we good capital allocators? Are we good manager of the portfolio? Those are the decisions. But if you look at the numbers and the trajectory and sequential, you should be able to get pretty close to what those numbers look like.

speaker
Nick Joseph
MUSG Securities Representative

Right. But why give segment-level guidance when not updated throughout the year if you're going to update other line items of guidance?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Because we don't want you to emphasize on any particular segment, we will update the total if it's necessary. We do think that greats you to manager of the business don't focus on one particular segment versus others. Thanks.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from line up Rich Anderson with SMBC MECO.

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Hello? Is the mic on? Okay. So, Shankar, I know you don't want to talk about Prometica in advance of, you know, the real numbers coming out. But I just want to make sure I understand the starting point as we get closer to the time where you have some more real-time info. The 1-8 coverage that was identified when you did the deal, I think, was really, if you look at the math, is really something higher than that or should be based on, I think, a function of the 80-20 joint venture on the real estate. Am I thinking about that correctly about how the coverage is in reality from a real cash flow perspective?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

I'm not sure I completely understand the question. I will give you two answers which hopefully will help you to get to the answer. One is Karen has been able to me to talk about it. So I actually gave some real-time feedback on how the portfolio is performing. And I don't want to repeat myself, but I did say that occupancy is up both on the skill side as well as on the senior housing side. And we're just starting the CAPEX program, which we think will dramatically change these businesses. Going back to your question, 20%, 80%, we have 80% ownership in the real estate. And our partner Prometica is the 20% owner. And our cash flow is, rather their cash flow is subordinate to our cash flow. And that's how the coverage is calculated.

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

Okay. Okay. Maybe I'll take it a little bit more offline later. And then the second question is- No, I want you

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

to go back. And Rich, by the way, welcome back. You can go back to call. We did when we did the deal, and I walked through line by line of how that is calculated. But anyway, regardless, welcome back. Thanks.

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

Second question is on medical office. I think I recall you saying something about cap rates drifting up, and it got you guys more interested in doing deals on the outpatient medical, and you obviously did with CNL very early this year. Is that an observation that you would agree with, that there has been a trickle up on cap rates that have made the asset class more interesting to you? Just some clarity on that, please.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Yes, Rich. We think that cap rates, I forgot, two years ago or 18 months ago, I can't keep the track of time, got to an unsustainable level. And since obviously it has gotten to a level, they definitely have trickled up. I think I mentioned that probably last three calls, every call we have done, not just CNL, we have done so far $2 billion of medical office acquisition in the last 12 months. So they have come to a level where we think that IRR now makes sense. We kind of give you a guidance that we think we need to hit a 7% IRR to get to the transaction. It's still there. But as I said, if they go down again because people want to be aggressive again, then we'll get out of the market again.

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

Right. So what does that say about this investment in particular? To what degree is the over-under that cap rates still trickle up following the closing of the transaction and perhaps making the investment you made less effervescent or something? Do you worry about that going forward? No, I don't.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

We're trying to get to total return. We're not a buyer or seller of any assets on a cap rate. We are not trying to top tick the market, bottom tick the market. We're trying to get to a total return in IRR and fund it through capital, whether equity or assets, but the total return will be lower. So that's what we're trying to value. That's the difference. But

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

if cap rates go up and your IRR calculation on the terminal value change and that's the part of the concern perhaps you don't have? No,

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

we don't because we will continue to deploy capital. And remember, that would be a concern if we debt finance the deals. We're not debt financing the deals. We're equity financing the deal. So even if that's the case, we will continue to deploy capital. We hope that happens. And if it does happen, if it doesn't happen, then we just wouldn't do it. You understand my question is

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

if

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

it is equity finance transaction, the value of what we just bought on a spot basis does not matter. We locked in a difference of a total return on what we bought versus what we sold.

speaker
Rich Anderson
SMBC MECO Representative

Okay, got it. Thanks very much. Thank you.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Coordinator As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press start then one on your telephone keypad. Please limit your question to one question and a related follow-up so that all callers may ask their question. The next question comes from the line of Saratan with JPMorgan.

speaker
Michael Muller
Representative for Saratan, JPMorgan

Q Hi, good morning, everyone. I'm on for Michael Muller. Just one question regarding the development pipeline. I think last quarter you guys talked about the three billion development pipeline locked up across the seven different projects. Could we get an update on which other projects have been underway?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

So I will just say I think you probably may start. It's not seven different projects. It's seven different operating partners. And I'll just say many of that you will start to see later this summer. So let's just... Today's call is not the appropriate time, but more to come.

speaker
Michael Muller
Representative for Saratan, JPMorgan

Okay, thank you so much.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Taiyou Okusanya with Jeffries.

speaker
Austin Cato
Representative for Taiyou Okusanya, Jeffries

Hi, this is Austin Cato on for Taiyou. Thanks for taking the question. I guess just to follow up to that, I saw that the New York development project was pushed out. Their conversion date another quarter and the investor day, the expectation was that construction was done by one queue. And just curious any new updates with that project?

speaker
Austin Cato

Yeah, I mean, everything seems to be proceeding according to plan, both in terms of cost and timeline up to this point. So there's no real updates to... I don't

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

know where there's been no announcement of any change. I

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

don't know where you saw that. I mean, our expectation is still pretty much what it was doing the investor day.

speaker
Austin Cato
Representative for Taiyou Okusanya, Jeffries

Okay, great. Thank you.

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Thank you.

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

Yes, this is Taiyou. Could I also ask for more follow up question?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Go ahead, Tom.

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

Yes, it's actually more around, again, your data analytics platform. Again, I think you guys really put that on display during the investor day. And I'm just kind of curious, just kind of the micro level analysis that you do, if your data analytics platform is telling you anything different about operating trends today versus your investor day, whether across senior housing or any of your other business segments?

speaker
Shak Mitra
Chief Investment Officer

Our data analytics platform did give us that insight, which is why we started talking about three quarters ago that the business is starting when the topic was going to be really bad for next five years. That's what I hear. So, you know, it's hard to talk about stuff that already happened and take a victory lap that just not display of humility, I would say. But as you can see, you know, these people are very, very good and they have called that turn. And you are seeing the results. You're seeing that in the results from December to today. We're making 10, 15, 20 year decisions. I mean, like from December to today, we don't change our views like that.

speaker
Tom DeRosa
CEO

But remember, we're not making a call on the industry sector with our data analytics. This is very specific to the well tower portfolio, our operators and the locations of our assets. As you learned at our investor day, we do look at the country on a micro market basis. So, we have been managing our portfolio over the last five years and making tough decisions that always didn't reflect well in quarterly performance. But they were the right decisions for the long term. And that is what you're starting to see flow through our results. So, yes, our data analytics gives us what we believe to be unique and proprietary insights into the way we run our business. But again, we are not, do not think our results and what we're seeing in our portfolio is a call on the senior housing industry changing.

speaker
Well Tower Representative
Unknown

Gotcha. I appreciate the explanation. Thank you. Thank you very much.

speaker
Nicole
Operator

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