Exxon Mobil Corporation

Good day, everyone, and welcome to this ExxonMobil Corporation fourth quarter 2020 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to the Vice President of Investor Relations and Secretary, Mr. Stephen Littleton. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call. We appreciate your participation and continued interest in ExxonMobil. I am Steven Littleton, Vice President of Investor Relations. Before getting started, I hope all of you on the call, your families and your colleagues, are safe in light of the continuing challenges we face as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. I am pleased to welcome Darren Woods, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of ExxonMobil, who will be joining me for the call today. After I cover the quarterly financial and operating results, Darren will provide his perspectives on 2020 and updates on our priorities and plans for 2021 and beyond. Following those remarks, Darren and I will be happy to address questions. Our comments this morning will reference the slides available on the investor section of our website. I would also like to draw your attention to the cautionary statement on slide two and the supplemental information at the end of this presentation. I'll now highlight developments since the third quarter of this year on the next slide. In the upstream, gas realizations increased by approximately 40%, with demand and prices recovering from lows earlier in 2020, reflecting the impact of supply disruptions, colder weather, and crude length LNG pricing. Liquids realizations were essentially flat with the third quarter, with low October prices improving as the quarter progressed. While there were no economic curtailments in the quarter, government mandated curtailments increased to approximately 190,000 all equivalent barrels per day. Despite considerable challenges associated with the pandemic, the upstream business matched its best ever reliability performance for the year. We continue to progress active exploration programs in Guyana and Brazil. and in the fourth quarter announced a hydrocarbon discovery in Suriname, which extends ExxonMobil's resource position in South America. In the downstream, we achieved the best-ever personnel and process safety, as well as record reliability performance for the year. Industry refining margins remained at historic lows, driving industry rationalization four times the 10-year average level of capacity reductions announced in 2020. With continuing weak margins, we expect further industry closures. The chemical business matched the strong operational performance of the upstream and downstream, also achieving best-ever annual safety and reliability performance. This excellent performance enabled us to fully capture the improving margins driven by sustained strength in packaging and continued recovery in automotive and durable product markets. Across the corporation, we exceeded the operating cost and capex reduction targets that we laid out in April. We decisively responded to the unprecedented market conditions in 2020. Leveraging our global projects organization, we were able to defer spend and optimize projects to preserve the long-term value of our industry-leading investment portfolio. Let's move to slide four for an overview of fourth quarter results. The table on the left provides a view of fourth quarter results relative to the third quarter. Starting with third quarter 2020, the reported loss of $700 million included favorable identified items of $100 million, driven by the non-cash inventory adjustments we noted in the third quarter. Excluding these items, the third quarter loss was $800 million. Fourth quarter results were a loss of $20.1 billion, including $20.2 billion of identified items related to impairments. Earnings excluding identified items were $100 million, a $900 million improvement from the third quarter. Fourth quarter results were $200 million lower than the third quarter, due to mark-to-market impacts on unsettled derivatives. This reflects the impact of marking-to-market open financial derivatives for which the physical trading strategy has not closed at the end of the quarter. We expect to realize the full earnings of these trading strategies when they close in the future. Improvements in upstream natural gas and LNG prices as well as increased liquids production in Guyana also benefited earnings. Continued strong demand for high-value chemical performance products, coupled with the strong reliability, supported chemical earnings improvement of $200 million. Finally, as a result of the growing strength of our portfolio, we removed less strategic assets from our development plans, including certain dry gas resources, notably in North America. This resulted in a non-cash after-tax impairment charge of about $19 billion. On the next slides, I will cover a brief summary of quarterly results. I will focus my comments on the underlying business performance, excluding identified items. Moving to slide five, improved prices and margins in the upstream and chemical increased earnings by $530 million. The benefit of higher upstream liquids production in Guyana, Canada, and the U.S. also improved earnings. This was offset by higher expenses due to the timing of planned turnaround, maintenance, and expiration activity. In the downstream and chemical, our integrated manufacturing sites allowed us to rapidly respond to dynamic market conditions and capture significant feedstock benefits. For example, we optimized units that typically produce gasoline to increase production of high-value chemical feedstocks, critical to the manufacturing of gowns, masks, and hand sanitizer. Manufacturing results in the downstream were improved with strong reliability and investments that high grade product yields contributing $160 million to the fourth quarter earnings. On the next slides, I will cover a brief summary of the full year results. Slide six is a comparison of full year 2020 results relative to 2019. Results reflected the unprecedented loss in demand driven by the economic impact of COVID. which in turn significantly depress upstream and downstream margins. In responding to pandemic-related challenges, the organization rapidly reduced costs, achieving $3 billion in structural savings out of a total reduction of $8 billion. Our manufacturing facilities contributed an additional $1 billion with better reliability and improved product yields. Moving to upstream volumes on slide seven. Upstream volumes decreased by an average of approximately 190,000 all-equivalent barrels per day compared to 2019. Volumes were impacted by economic and government-mandated curtailments as well as Groningen production limits, which in total reduced volumes by approximately 210,000 all-equivalent barrels per day. Excluding the impact of economic and government-mandated curtailments, entitlements, Groningen production limits, and divestments, volumes increased by about 110,000 oil equivalent barrels per day. This was in line with our original production plans with optimization of maintenance activity, reducing the impact of economic curtailments. Moving to slide eight. In April, we set a target to reduce 2020 cash operating expenses by 15% and CapEx by 30%. We exceeded these reduction targets. Looking at capital spending, we established reductions of 30%. The reorganization of our upstream and downstream businesses a couple of years ago enabled us to accelerate the efficiency capture that we expected from these changes. Cash operating expenses were down $8 billion versus 2019, including structural reductions of about $3 billion that were delivered through optimization of supply chains and logistics, work process simplification, and workforce reductions. We leveraged our new global projects organization and strong relationships with EPCs to adjust our capital plan, deferring spend, and further optimizing projects. This allowed us to reduce quarterly spend by $2 billion in the second quarter versus the first quarter, a 25% reduction. As we continued this work through the year, we reduced capital expenditures by $10 billion, or greater than 30% versus 2019 in the original plan. Importantly, we did this while improving safety, reliability, and the environmental performance of our operation. Let's turn to the next page where you can see the impact of these reductions on our cash profile. Excluding the impact of working capital effects, fourth quarter cash flow from operating activities was up $600 million from the third quarter. Gross debt decreased by about $1.2 billion to $67.6 billion. We ended the quarter with $4.4 billion of cash, a little above our minimum operating levels. Turning to slide 10, I'll cover a few key considerations for the first quarter. In the upstream, government mandated criteria are expected to average 150,000 oil equivalent barrels in the quarter. a decrease of approximately 40,000 oil coolant barrels from the fourth quarter. Production is expected to be higher in the first quarter due to seasonal gas demand. In the downstream, we anticipate higher scheduled maintenance and turnarounds to be offset by additional efficiencies. In chemical, we anticipate continued demand resilience across packaging, hygiene, and medical segments with continuing recovery in automotive and construction markets Scheduled maintenance is expected to be in line with third quarter. Corporate and finance expenses are anticipated to be about $700 million. Lastly, at current crude prices and downstream chemical margins, we expect cash flow from operating activities to cover the dividend and our planned CapEx, which has flexibility to adjust depending on the business environment. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Darren.

Thank you, Steven. Good morning. It's good to be on the call. I hope you and your families are safe and healthy. I'm sure I'm like many of you, happy to close the book on 2020 and optimistic for the year ahead. As you know, the pandemic has had devastating impacts on people and businesses around the world. These effects were especially severe in our industry. Energy consumption collapsed as economies shut down. Oil prices hit their lowest point in history. And refining margins fell well below their 10 year lows. It was the first time in memory that we saw simultaneous lows in each of our businesses. As I discussed a year ago, our response throughout these challenging times was primarily focused on three areas. Protecting the health and safety of our employees and communities. Keeping operations running to support COVID response efforts, providing critical energy and products. and aggressively reducing spend while preserving value to ensure we remained in the best possible position for the eventual recovery. We're pleased with how we performed on each of these. Our employees stepped up and made contributions to those in need of our products, from hand sanitizer to specialty products for protective equipment to fuel for first responders. Through extraordinary efforts, we kept operations running 24-7 while achieving strong safety results and exceptional reliability performance. At the same time, we leveraged on the ongoing work in reorganizing our upstream and downstream businesses to significantly reduce cost and preserve value in an extremely challenging and uncertain market environment. We delivered on our cost reduction objectives and outperformed our revised plan, which we shared with you in April. Going forward, we're continuing to work to reduce cost by leveraging synergies from aligned organizations and work processes across the upstream, downstream, and chemical. Further opportunities are being identified to reduce costs to drive cash flow and maintain our capital allocation priorities, including paying a strong dividend and maintaining a fortified balance sheet that we do leverage over time. I'll provide more detail momentarily on the successful efforts to drive greater efficiency across our businesses and further improve our cost structure. I'll also spend time discussing the significant steps we're taking to reduce emissions intensity and absolute emissions, and our work to advance lower-emission technologies, like our newly announced low-carbon solutions business. Collectively, this will help position us as an industry leader in greenhouse gas performance while helping society move to a lower-carbon future. Let me start, though, by highlighting a few notable achievements from 2020 in what was a very difficult business environment. During a year of unprecedented challenges, our people successfully managed our global operations, ensuring the uninterrupted supply of essential energy and products while achieving best-ever safety and reliability performance. We reduced cash operating expenses by more than 15%, including $3 billion of structural improvements. and reduced capital investments by more than 30% to $21 billion without compromising the advantages or value of our projects. We achieved our 2020 emission reduction goals for both methane and flaring and established new plans for 2025 that are projected to be consistent with the goals of the Paris Agreement. These plans are expected to reduce absolute upstream greenhouse gas emissions by 30%. Permian Basin volumes exceeded our plan at 370,000 oil equivalent barrels per day, despite curtailments and reduced investment. This performance was driven by significant ongoing improvements in operating efficiencies and technology development. We progressed LISA Phase II and PIARA developments in Guyana and continued our exploration success with three new discoveries, increasing the recoverable resource estimate on the Staybrook Block to nearly $9 billion, oil equipment barrels. Our chemical business set a new record for polyethylene cells, reflecting the growth and demand for performance packaging and strong operating performance of our expanding asset fleet. We maintained our position as a global leader in carbon capture, one we've held for more than 30 years, by increasing sequestered CO2 to more than 120 million tons. This is well over twice the next closest competitor and larger than the next five competitors combined. To put this in perspective, 120 million tons is equivalent to taking more than 25 million passenger vehicles off the road in a year. In 2020, we focused on managing through the impacts of an unprecedented industry environment, leveraging the strengths of our corporation to progress an industry-leading portfolio of advantaged investment opportunities critical to the long-term success of the company. At the same time, we drove deep structural efficiencies to improve competitiveness and position ourselves amongst the industry's lowest cost of supply. Let me start with our efficiencies. You may recall that in 2019, we completed our corporate reorganizations, moving from functional companies to businesses organized along their value chains. This allowed us to reduce overhead and provided end-to-end oversight for each business, which was a critical first step and streamlining the businesses to structurally reduce cost. It also allowed us to more effectively prioritize work and focus on the highest value activities. Consistent organizations across each sector are allowing us to consolidate like activities to fully leverage the corporation scale, further reducing costs and improving effectiveness. Our global products organization was established in 2019 as a result of this approach. This organization has played a critical role in reoptimizing our global investment portfolio, improving the capital efficiency of each project, and when necessary, cost-effectively deferring work. As we came into 2020 and the pandemic, the organization changes provided the foundation for significantly reducing spend across the businesses. Expense results are shown in this chart, which is consistent with the chart Steven showed, excluding production taxes and energy expenses that are a function of commodity price. As you can see, 60% of the $5 billion reduction from 2019 to 2020 was structural, driven by reduced overheads and operational efficiencies. The remaining reductions were temporary, driven by lower production and activity deferrals. During last year's planning process, Each organization identified opportunities to convert the short-term or temporary expense reductions into permanent structural efficiencies. This year, we expect to achieve a further $1 billion of structural efficiencies. By 2023, we will achieve a total of $6 billion in structural expense reductions versus 2019. I expect even further reductions as we take advantage of additional synergies unlocked by consistently organized businesses. One final point to make on this slide. structural reductions we've shown are independent of the price environment we find ourselves in on the other hand returning activity and increased expenses between 2020 and 2023 are in large part a function of the price environment in lower price environments much of that increase would be further deferred i may now turn to another critical area our capital investments Over the past several years, we have been progressing a strategy to high grade our asset base and improve the earnings and cash generation potential of our businesses. We announced work to invest less strategic assets and have been progressing a portfolio of industry leading investments. With pandemic driven losses, we responded quickly to bring capital spending in line with market conditions and an uncertain outlook. And preserve our strong dividend. As we enter 2021, our capital plan is at a historic low, significantly reduced from 2020 levels. Our capital plans through 2025 reflect three key themes, value, flexibility, and discipline. Value derived from advancing our highest return, cash flow accretive projects to deliver increased earnings in cash, both near and long term. Flexibility to respond to a dynamic market. We demonstrated this in 2020 and have developed our plans with this in mind. And discipline to make adjustments to our capital program depending on market conditions to support a strong dividend and begin to deliver. Our plans are built on a price basis consistent with third party outlooks and advance our highest return investments. They maintain a healthy balance sheet and our strong dividend. They're robust to a wide range of price scenarios and using last year's experience and flexibility to respond to lower-priced environments. In each planned year, we have a level of short-cycle unconventional spend which can be reduced in line with market conditions. We also expect to restart projects that have been suspended across this time horizon, but if necessary, can be delayed longer, further deferring spend. We also have a level of early investments that fund long-term growth opportunities. These too can be deferred or suspended. While each of these reductions impact the value of our plan, they are available if circumstances warrant. Less flexible spend can also be reduced, but at a higher cost. This capital is generally longer cycle, more firmly committed, or very near completion. The next slide helps quantify our capital flexibility. On the left of this graphic, we show available cash from operations for our 2021 plan at different rent prices, assuming the lowest refining and chemical margins experienced from 2010 to 2019. This is our source, with higher crew prices generating more available cash. As you move right, you see our uses, the current dividend, and our 2021 capex from the previous page. As you can see, the breakeven Brent price needed to pay our dividend and invest in the low end of our flexible capital is roughly $45 a barrel. The Brent price required for $16 billion, which is the low end of our guidance, and closer to where I expect our actual spend to be in 2021, is $50 a barrel. With downstream and chemical margins at the bottom of the 10-year historical range, we can fund our highest return investments in Guyana, the Permian, and the chemical business and begin paying down debt at Brent prices just above $50 a barrel. If downstream and chemical margins were at their 10-year averages, Brent breakeven prices would be roughly $5 a barrel lower, which would allow us to fund investments, pay the dividend, and pay down debt at Brent prices above $45 a barrel. As we look at the market year to date, actual prices and margins in total are above our plan. allowing us to progress our investments, pay the dividend, and begin paying down debt in the first quarter. Obviously, we are very early into the year, and we know the market will change. We are keeping a close eye on developments and will adjust our capital spend accordingly, protecting the strong dividend and preserving the balance sheet. Let's shift to a later year in our plan, 2025. By 2025, we expect downstream and chemical margins to be off their lows and closer to a long-term average. In this case, we used the average margins from 2010 to 2019. In addition, we will see the full benefits of the structural OPEX improvements and additional cash from the projects that come online by 2025. As you can see, there is substantially more flexibility in our capital spend. As a result, our plans continue to cover the dividend and capital investments at Brent prices as low as $35 a barrel. At Brent prices above $50 a barrel, our capital allocation framework supports our planned investments, further debt reduction, and or shareholder distributions. So as you can see, our plans are robust to a wide range of price environments. And while we are optimistic that the recent improvements in the macro environment will continue, we recognize that much could change over the next four to five years. If we face a year where Brent prices remain below $50 a barrel on a sustained basis, we would reduce investments to levels more consistent with this year's plan. Recognizing the market uncertainty, we've attempted to strike the right balance between maintaining a strong dividend, fortifying the balance sheet to deliver, and continuing to invest in high return cash accretive projects. This last point is critical, particularly in a depletion business. The next chart gives a good perspective of this. Our investment strategy is focused on growing earnings and cash flow across a wide range of market environments. We are investing in advanced projects with some of the industry's lowest cost of supply. They grow earnings and cash flow in a variety of market environments. This graphic helps to illustrate this. Using IHS crude price and third-party margins, we expect the cash flow from project startups over our investment horizon to represent roughly 40% of our operating cash flow in 2025. This makes a critical point. You pay a significant long-term cost for excessive short-term investment reductions. When industry does it collectively, the market pays with much higher commodity prices. Striking the right balance, responding to short-term constraints with an eye on the mid- to long-term generates the greatest value. Of course, an investment portfolio of industry-advantaged projects is critical. The next slide provides a perspective of the investments we are making in developing upstream resources, which represents the majority of our upstream capital spend. This chart graphs cumulative upstream capital spend to develop resources from 2021 through 2025 against the Brent price required for the investment to generate a 10% return, which we've deemed our cost of supply. As you can see, our focus on high return, lowest cost of supply investments generate a portfolio with a cost of supply well below $3 a barrel. In fact, Almost 90% of our investments in developing upstream resources have a cost of supply of $35 per barrel or less. These investments generate an average return using third-party price outlooks in excess of 30%. So as you can see, striking the right balance, progressing a very attractive portfolio of investments while maintaining our strong dividend and fortifying the balance sheet to deliver is essential to maximizing value. both near term and long term. When executed in a period where others are pulling back in construction markets or slack, these investments become even more attractive. When you factor in the flexibility of our short cycle investments in the Permian, where the value proposition continues to grow, we are well positioned. We have an attractive investment portfolio that we can flex with market conditions to strike the right balance across our capital allocation priorities. We now take a few minutes to highlight the progress we've been making in the Permian. Despite challenging conditions and a rapid change in activity, our progress in the Permian exceeded our plan and expectations. These improvements reflect the hard work of our people, the organizational changes made in 2019, and the continued evolution of our technology and techniques. In 2019, we better integrated the experience of our global drilling, technology, and project organizations with the unconventional operating organization. Working together, they made a step change in performance that continues to improve. 2020 drilling rates were 50% better than our plan and more than 20% better than full-year 2019 results. Drilling and completion costs were 15% below our plan and more than 25% lower than 2019 results. We estimate that roughly two-thirds of the savings were due to improved performance. As an example, the number of frac stages achieved in a day increased by 30% versus 2019. As we enter 2021, we continue to see progress in our key performance metrics, further growing the value of this resource and improving upon our plans. In 2020, capital expenditures in the premium were 35% below plan. Despite significant economic curtailments in the second quarter, 2020 volumes of 370,000 oil equivalent barrels per day exceeded our plan. or about 100,000 oil equivalent barrels per day above 2019. Going forward with the pandemic related impacts on our balance sheet and market outlook, we are pacing permanent investments to maintain positive free cash flow, deliver industry leading capital efficiency, and achieve double digit returns at less than $35 a barrel. Based on the current market price projections, Our plans result in Permian volumes of approximately 700,000 oil equivalent barrels per day by 2025. If demand and prices are lower than current third-party outlooks, we'll adjust our plans. At a nominal Brent price of $50 a barrel through 2025, we would expect to deliver an additional 100,000 oil equivalent barrels per day in 2025 versus 2020 production levels. Key point here is that we have flexibility in options, which I expect to improve with time. We've been making significant progress on our technology programs, which are contributing to current performance. With the advances we are making, I expect continued improvements in productivity, growing volumes at even lower cost. Hopefully, the Permian discussion and broader overview of our investment plans provided a useful perspective on the opportunities we have and the balance we are attempting to strike across our capital allocation priorities amid an uncertain market outlook. I'd like to move on to the results we've achieved in lowering our emissions and the plans we have for further reductions. But before I do, I'd like to recap some key points. Our portfolio offers the best collection of investment opportunities we've had in over 20 years. We have some of industry's lowest cost of supply projects with strong returns that are robust to low prices. Coupled with our expense efficiencies, our capital program through 2025 improves our earnings power and cash generation potential of our asset base in both the near and long term. Leveraging our experience from 2020, we've built flexible plans that will allow us to adjust to market developments and potentially lower prices. If prices move higher than our plan basis, this will allow us to more quickly replenish our balance sheet. Our plans strike the right balance, growing value, maintaining a strong dividend, and a fortified balance sheet that is delevered over time. Let's turn to our work in positioning the company for a lower carbon energy future. Addressing the risk of climate change is one of society's biggest challenges, requiring the combined effort and collaboration of governments, academia, businesses, and consumers. ExxonMobil has spent decades researching new technologies and deploying existing ones to lower our emissions and the emissions of our customers. Today, we remain committed to this, with plans to position ExxonMobil as a leader in our industry. Since its inception, we have supported the goals of the Paris Agreement, engaging in climate-related policies and supporting a tax on carbon. Since 2016, the year of the Paris Agreement, we've reduced our operating greenhouse gas emissions by 6%. Last year, we met the reduction objectives we set in 2018, and in the fourth quarter, announced new emission reduction plans for 2025 that are consistent with the goals of Paris. Our plans reduce emissions from operated assets and align the company with the World Bank's initiative to eliminate routine flaring. They reduce the intensity of our operated upstream greenhouse gas emissions. They drive a decrease in methane intensity and a decrease in flaring intensity. This is expected to reduce absolute upstream greenhouse gas emissions by an estimated 30% and absolute methane and flaring emissions by 40 to 50% versus 2016 levels. Our plans continue to invest in lower emissions initiatives with an expected spend of more than $500 million a year. This includes energy efficiency, TCS investments, cogeneration, research and development, and renewable purchases, an area where we already make a significant contribution. Today, we are the second largest buyer of wind and solar power in the oil and gas industry and among the top 5% across all corporations. purchasing roughly 600 megawatts, but we don't bring a significant competitive advantage to many wind and solar projects, we can leverage our size to support world-scale developments with purchase contracts, helping to ensure they are built. We are also the world's leader in carbon capture, responsible for over 40% of the CO2 captured. To put this into context, the Nature Conservatory announced a campaign in 2008 to plant a billion trees. Our cumulative CO2 capture is more than double that goal. We are also one of the world's largest producers of hydrogen. As the potential for this and the energy transition develops, we are well positioned to leverage our experience, scale, and technology to contribute. In fact, to ensure that we effectively leverage all of our technologies, experiences, and expertise, yesterday we announced the formation of a new business, ExxonMobil Low Carbon Solutions. This business will focus on advancing commercial CCS opportunities and deploying emerging technologies as they mature. I'll come back to our plans for this in a moment, as we expect it to underpin our long-term strategy in driving emission reductions. I want to first focus on the progress we've already made. As you can see in this chart, since the inception of the Paris Agreement, ExxonMobil has made significant progress in reducing our greenhouse gas emissions, down 6%. significantly outpacing the progress made by society as a whole. Over the past 20 years, we have invested more than $10 billion to research, develop, and deploy lower emissions energy solutions, resulting in highly efficient operations. During that time, we eliminated or avoided about 480 million tons of CO2 emissions, which is equivalent to the annual emissions of 100 million cars. The plans we announced in December further reduced the intensity of our businesses. delivering an expected reduction in emissions of roughly 12% by 2025. I want to pause here for a minute and emphasize that these are not targets. These reductions are built into our base plans. In conjunction with the reorganizations completed in 2019, we established a more rigorous process to capture emission reduction efforts at operating units around the world. Plans developed in 2020 leveraged this process and built in additional efficiency steps and accretive investments to deliver these reductions. Like other plan objectives, the performance of our businesses and our senior management will be evaluated based on achieving these commitments. I think it's important to point out that our plans are in line with the stated ambitions of the Paris Agreement, which you can see on the next chart. This slide overlays both global and ExxonMobil emissions since 2016 with the goals of the Paris Agreement. hypothetical 1.5-degree and 2-degree Celsius pathways. As you can see, our plans are consistent with the stated ambitions. Of course, the challenge will be maintaining our progress into the future for both ExxonMobil and society at large. Today, the set of solutions available in overcoming this challenge is incomplete. There's a gap between what is needed and what is available. This is illustrated by the 2016 PEARS submissions shown by the green diamond, which is an estimate of the signatory's nationally determined contributions. We are working to close this gap and help provide solutions for society. Our investment in R&D is focused on the world's highest emitting sectors, manufacturing, commercial transportation, and power generation, which together account for 80% of global energy-related carbon emissions, and where today's alternatives are insufficient. As I said earlier, through 2025, we expect to invest more than $3 billion in lower emissions initiatives, which include energy efficient process technology, advanced biofuels, hydrogen, and carbon capture and storage, which is a crucial technology for achieving the goals outlined in the Paris Agreement. Carbon capture and storage is expected to play an important role in addressing emissions from difficult to decarbonize sectors. is also generally recognized as one of the only technologies that can enable negative emissions. In the two degree scenarios presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, it is estimated that in 2040, 10% of total energy will require CCS. It is also estimated that 15% of global emissions will be mitigated by CCS. If carbon capture and storage does not progress and play a significant role in decarbonizing the economy, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimates that society's cost of achieving a two-degree outcome would more than double, increasing the cost by 138%. In short, the world is unlikely to achieve the goals of the Paris Agreement without focused action and innovation in carbon capture and storage. Unfortunately, according to the IEA, its development and deployment are not on track. This is an area where we can potentially leverage unique capabilities to make a difference. ExxonMobil has been the global leader in carbon capture for more than 30 years. We believe there's an opportunity to leverage our deep operating experience, history of process innovation, project execution skills, subsurface expertise, and ability to scale technology to uniquely contribute in this area. In 2018, we formed a carbon capture venture to identify and develop potential CCS opportunities using both established and emerging technologies. This group has been working with governments, industry, academia, and tech companies to advance projects. Today, we have more than 20 opportunities under evaluation. With increasing government focus, growing market demand, and additional investor interest, we are increasing our emphasis in this area through the establishment of ExxonMobil low-carbon solutions. This new business will continue to progress the ongoing venture work while looking to expand other commercial opportunities from our extensive low-carbon technology portfolio. The business will focus its efforts on solutions critical to achieving the ambitions of the Paris Agreement, work with governments around the world to promote the necessary policies and regulatory frameworks, and partner with interested parties to achieve improvements at scale. While new, this business will hit the ground running. incorporating the existing venture organization and a healthy pipeline of potential opportunities. We look forward to sharing more information as this effort advances. Before we open the lines for your questions, let me close by reiterating our areas of focus. Delivering world-class safety and reliability, driving structural cost reductions, advancing a flexible portfolio of high-return, cost-advantaged investments, maintaining the strong dividend and fortified balance sheet, and reducing emissions while developing needed technologies to support the ambitions of the Paris Agreement. Our people delivered in these areas last year, despite the unprecedented challenges of the pandemic. I am absolutely confident they will deliver even more this year and into the future. I hope I've given you a deeper understanding of our strategy and plans for 2021 and beyond. I look forward to providing you with more detail during our March Investor Day and as the year progresses.

With that, we're happy to take your questions.

Thank you for your comments, Darren. We'll now be more than happy to take any questions you might have. Operator, please open up the phone lines for questions.

Thank you, Mr. Woods and Mr. Littleton. The question and answer session will be conducted electronically. If you'd like to ask a question, please do so by pressing the star key followed by the digit 1 on your touchtone telephone. we request that you limit your questions to one initial with one follow-up so that we may take as many questions as possible. And we'll go first to Doug Terrison with Evercore ISI.

Good morning, everybody.

Good morning, Doug. Good morning, Doug.

There, an ExxonMobil's equity has outperformed S&P Energy and S&P 500, too, since the new capital management plan was announced in November. As you guys have posted further progress on restructuring, exploration, and environmental plans, too. We did have some industry help along the way. On this point, it seems like you're pretty encouraged about the outperformance that you've seen on the structural efficiency component that you talked about earlier today. and that divestitures, which are another part of the capital management program, probably recover, but in a better price environment. So my question is whether or not you agree with my characterizations of these two items, and also whether or not you have any additional color or specifics on these parts of the capital management program which make you optimistic about performance in those areas.

Sure. Thanks, Doug. Thanks for the question, and Before I answer that, let me just take a minute to congratulate you on your pending retirement.

Well earned. Well, thank you.

I'm going to miss having you in the mix.

Well, thank you.

With respect to your comment and the delivery of some of the improvements we've made, I'll just maybe step back and provide a little perspective on the journey we've been on. As we looked at the business and focused on the opportunities to improve performance over time. We recognized the need as a capital-intensive industry to make sure that we had a very healthy and attractive set of capital investment opportunities, which is what we focused on at the beginning, recognized the size of that opportunity and the leverage that it gives us with respect to earnings and cash flow. And so as you heard early on with my tenure, that was a focus. We generated a very, very attractive set of investments. At the same time, we were progressing and organizational restructuring to move from this functional organization that we had put in place at the time with the merger of Exxon and Mobil, which served its purposes and added a lot of value at the time as we brought those two companies together. But with time, recognized the need to move to an organization that had a better line of sight end-to-end on the business and a more direct accountability for profit and loss. And we completed that transition and 2019 and I think you know last year in the March analyst meeting I mentioned that we were focused on taking advantage of the new organization to drive efficiencies and I would say 2020 delivered on that and as I mentioned in my prepared remarks we see more opportunity down the road and have actually built into our plans from 2020 these improved efficiencies and so that's what I would tell you is the foundation of the plans that we've got and the improvement opportunities that we see going forward independent of where the market takes us. Then on top of that, obviously, and as we said back in our third quarter call, with where the impact of the pandemic and the price response to the loss of economic activity, we recognize that that had to be a temporary downturn just because of the fundamentals associated with the industry and wanted to make sure that we prepared ourselves for what would be an eventual recovery, recognizing the timing of that is somewhat uncertain. And I would say as we sit here today, I would still characterize this as somewhat uncertain, although encouraging here over the last several months. But we haven't – we're not kind of taking that to the bank, so to speak. We're prepared and keeping an eye on how the market develops and we'll respond accordingly. So I feel good about where we're at today. I think we've got our company in a position, our organization focused on the right things, and then we've got an opportunity set with flexibility that we can execute as we go forward. And as I said, as I look at the first quarter, we're ahead of where we thought we were going to be, and we'll already start to de-lever and continue to progress our investments. So I feel as good as you can, given some of the uncertainty out there with the residual pandemic effects.

Yeah, and then, Darren, you guys may be the most asset-rich company in our sector. And, you know, last year was kind of an impossible year to even think about selling assets, probably. But you have a lot to work with, and so spend a minute on that too, on divestitures and progressing that plan.

Right. I think as you saw last year and we've been talking about, we're really trying to focus the activity on the highest value, highest return, lowest cost of capital, which has meant prioritizing investments and high grading the portfolio. we announced a divestment program, something that we had historically not done, and have been out prosecuting that divestment program. We've got assets in the market today, but as we said at the time, we announced it and continues to be the underlying principle associated with our divestment program. It's a value-driven program. So we're looking to make sure that we can find a buyer that values the asset, sees more opportunity than we can prosecute with the asset. So that is what drives the decision. Obviously, Last year, with all the uncertainty, there wasn't a whole lot of activity in this space, although we did make some progress. We have mechanisms with respect to deals that can accommodate some of the price uncertainty, and that's going to continue on, I would say, as the market recovers and people's views develop more fully. I expect we'll have additional advancements in that program.

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

Thank you, Doug. Best of luck.

We'll go next to Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs.

Good morning, guys, and thank you for the incremental disclosure. Lots of interesting stuff to unpack. I guess the first question is, I just wanted to confirm, did you say you expect to be on the low end of the $16 to $19 billion band this year? And then the follow-up around that is you're at $67.6 billion of gross debt Is there an absolute level that you guys are gunning for here when it comes to your gross debt level?

Good morning, Neal. Yeah, I will confirm that was the comment I made. I do expect to be on the lower end of that range. And then our plan with respect to debt, as we talked about in the third quarter, we kind of set a hard limit of around $70 billion. We didn't want to go above that and working hard to bring that down. Expect for that to come down in the first quarter. And we'll continue to work to bring that down to really rebuild the strength of the balance sheet. It's one of the three capital allocation priorities and we think absolutely critical to underpin the business we've got going forward and to ride through the cycles that we face. And clearly 2020 was a very deep down cycle, one that frankly we've never seen before. And I'm pleased that the capital structure we had in place and our ability to respond to that unprecedented market environment was very successful. We leveraged the use of the balance sheet, obviously, and we're now going to rebuild that to have the capacity we need to continue to weather the ups and downs of the cycles that we know will happen as we go forward.

Thanks, Darren. And the follow-up is just your perspective on M&A. Last year was a busy one in terms of incremental growth. E&P deal, just how does Exxon think about the M&A landscape, the bid-ask right now? And, you know, certainly the supermajor cycle that we saw in the late 1990s, early 2000s created a lot of value. There was some press speculation on that. I'm not sure what you can say, but conceptually, do you see the potential for major-on-major consolidation, or is that too difficult to execute given all the challenges of consummating that type of deal?

Yeah, sure. Obviously, I'm not going to comment on speculation in the press, but what I would say is the approach that we take in this space has been pretty consistent, and we've talked about that over the years, and it's really looking for value opportunities where there's another company that we can leverage synergies, leverage differences in portfolios that basically complement one another. We look at a lot of things In that whole space, we've been active in that for quite some time. We continue to be active to look for opportunities to grow value, unique value, and that's kind of what drives, in our mind, the opportunity. And as you know, we've talked about in the past, haven't found opportunities that we felt were valued correctly or valued in line with what would be required to kind of extract unique value through an acquisition or a merger. But we continue to look in that space, and it will be an active program going forward.

And if you don't mind, I'd probably add, the other thing that we look at, Neil, is the fact it has to compete against our existing portfolio projects, which is industry-leading best. So when we look at any type of potential acquisition, we compare it relative to some of our other investment opportunities, notably in the upstream chemical space.

Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Neil.

We'll go next to Doug Leggett with Bank of America.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Darren, Happy New Year. I wonder if I could start off asking you to address the 800-pound bill in the room, which is obviously the criticism that's been leveled at you and the management team by activists. I want to ask specifically to how Exxon is responding. It seems to us disclosure for example, in carbon capture and your emissions reductions and your demonstrable capital flexibility are all something that perhaps has been overlooked in the past. I wonder if you could speak to how you're looking to address that, and I've got a follow-up, please.

Sure. Well, good morning, Doug, and Happy New Year to you as well. What I'd say is, you know, last year clearly was an unprecedented event, something that, you know, forced some dramatic action in the industry as a whole and in our company. And as we leveraged the new organization and reconfigured our plans in response to the pandemic and the consequences of that, we changed a lot of things. And operating under a new set of constraints, obviously drawing down our balance sheet to the point that we did require a different approach going forward. And so that was the focus in rebuilding the plans for 2020. As I've said, I think the organization as a whole responded very, very well to the challenging conditions, not only in operating our businesses in the environment, but at the same time, putting together very thorough, well-thought-out plans for how we would go forward and accommodate the increased uncertainty and the recovery that we knew we had to make coming out of the pandemic. And frankly, As we put those plans together, we recognize that was a change from the past and our past plans and wanted to make sure that we effectively communicated that going forward. So we had a very early release at the back end of the year after the board approved the plans that provided some perspective with the intent of coming into this call and more thoroughly taking the community investment community through more details of that plan. And that's what we've been doing here. All the things we've talked about, as you can clearly tell, if you look at the materiality of it and its work that's been underway for quite some time, I'd say 2020, a lot of effort by the organization to put those together. And our intent is to make sure that we keep the outside community kind of up to date with those plans, given the constraints that we're operating under.

I realize it's not an easy question to answer, so I appreciate the clarity, but let me just pick up on one issue as my follow-up, and it's on capital flexibility and the dividend. Because it seems you're, I don't want to say unequivocal, but you're certainly providing a great deal of emphasis on the sustainability of the dividend. So I wonder if you could just speak to that, and in your answer, maybe talk to the inflection in non-productive capital, because you have spent a ton of money on things that it seems to us are just about to get to that inflection, which can support that perception of dividend surety. So I wonder if you could just address those issues and I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Sure. Yeah, I think so we've built the plan based on the three capital allocation priorities that I touched on as part of my prepared remarks and try to optimize the value to the corporation, recognizing that if you look at the portfolio and the underlying strategy that we embarked on back in 2017-18 timeframe, that remains in place. Even stress testing the projects and the investment opportunities we've had in the portfolio continue to look attractive in this environment. You saw the upstream portfolio, which is the biggest part of our spend, showed that. Our intent then is to kind of pace that investment as we move forward, reflective of the market environments. And we've structured the capital program, again, consistent with the experience that we had last year and the drawdown that we had in capital, to make sure that we have flexibility to adjust. If you think about what we've put in that flexible bucket, there's a large chunk of – in the Permian where we clearly have flexibility. We've got PACE projects, so things that our global projects organization, as we were working to re-optimize the capital program, I think very cost-effectively in working with our EPC partners, suspended some of that project but put them in warm standby so that we can start those back up again. That's in our flexible spending. And as I mentioned, we've got some longer-term spend to fill the pipeline early on so that we've got things that we move outside the plan tree. So all those things are, we can make decisions in real time about whether we continue to progress those or pull back in that area, depending on what the environment's at. And because we can do that, and as we've pointed out in these charts that we've shown, we've got lots of flexibility under different price environments to sustain the dividends. really good about where we're at today, that we've got good upside with respect to growing the cash flow as I've showed, but at the same time, if we need to and the environment dictates, we can pull back. I think that's the optimum position is to develop options, have the flexibility to adjust if you need to. We were very keen not to pull things back to a point where we didn't have plans to take advantage of of the portfolio that we had if the market environment was better than what many were thinking of last year. And so our intent was build plans that are as best as possible what the market expects and then be positioned to pull down if necessary. Going in with no plan trying to ramp up is a lot harder than going in with a plan coming down.

I think the flexibility is something we appreciate about a lot of people. Thanks so much, Sheldon. Appreciate the answers.

Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Doug.

We'll go next to Phil Gresh with JP Morgan.

Hey, good morning, Darren. Good morning, Phil.

So first question, and perhaps it's a signal of the times, but the charts around your flexibility only take the oil price up to $55 at this point, which is notable considering we're at $58 now. So I'm curious, you know, is this message today One, where we're supposed to be taking it as an official cap on the capital spending long term in the $20 to $25 billion range, such that any additional cash flow in an upside case would be fully committed to debt reduction. You did mention shareholder distributions in one of the slides as well. So just any incremental thoughts there?

Sure, Phil. I kind of come back to we don't know where prices are going to go. And I think we have not tried – build plans based on speculating where prices will go. Instead, what we've tried to do is build plans based on what a reasonable assumption is. And when I say reasonable, we test our price basis against kind of third party and where the market, generally the market is. And our expectation is to be kind of on, you know, within and certainly on the lower end of the price expectations. And that's how we build the plans. But we recognize when we put that together that those prices probably aren't going to materialize and could be higher or lower and sort of have flexibility. And I wouldn't read anything into how high we went on that chart. It was a number that we picked. The higher it goes, the better off, obviously, we're at. I would tell you our first priority above and beyond the plan, if we see a price environment that's higher than we have anticipated, it would be to continue to de-lever and to rebuild the strength of the balance sheet because, again, I would tell you As I've talked about today and in the past, balancing across the three capital allocation priorities is absolutely critical. You take different decisions in the short term. Last year, we recognized we were in a very deep downturn, one that we also believed would be temporary. Prioritized the dividend and made sure that we continued to pay that and drew on the balance sheet. As we come out of that, which is what we expected, Our plan is to rebuild the balance sheet so that we can be in a position going forward to absorb what other shocks come in the future. And at the same time, we wanted to make sure that we were continuing to invest in these accretive projects because ultimately they are going to underpin the long-term success of the corporation. So I'd say the key word as we worked through last year is balance, and I'd say the other one is optionality. flexibility, and that's what the plan now reflects in what we've talked about today.

Okay, got it. My final question would be around slide 30 in your commentary about how the first quarter is shaping up. Obviously, on this slide, the only area where the margins are well below the low end of the range is on downstream. And based on your long history in that business and how you're seeing things today, Specifically for downstream, would you say that the margins right now are consistent with low end of the range and kind of the $3 billion annualized uplift that you're talking about? I recognize you've made a comment that in totality you're there, but I'm specifically thinking more about the downstream. Thank you.

Yeah. Well, you can see on the downstream in that chart 30, we've put kind of a January estimate in there, so kind of where we're at. and it's still well outside that historic range. I think today, if you look at the industry as a whole across the globe, where margins are at, it's not a sustainable position just because of the losses that are accruing. You look back in history, I think there's a certain... physics associated with these businesses that say you can only go so low before you're not covering your costs in your leading cash and so you're going to have to make adjustments and that historical range in my mind kind of sets those limits. I mean these are commodity businesses and if you take a price that goes below the marginal cost of supply it's going to end up costing industry as a whole and eventually players will rationalize and drop out and that For as long as I've been in the downstream, that business has been long supply, and it's a slow process to rationalize and get tight, particularly as more refineries come on out in Asia. So I think what you're seeing there is the time cycle associated with rebalancing the markets and the supply-demand balance. And obviously demand is off pretty significantly from what was already a kind of marginally long business. So it will be a function of Demand coming back and how quickly that recovers and then continued rationalization. As Stephen said, we've seen last year, you know, much higher levels of rationalization. And my expectation would be if we don't see the margins, you know, recover back to within that band, that you'll continue to see that.

And do you think we'll get there in 2021 towards the low end at some point?

I think it's very dependent upon how the recovery goes, how the economies pick back up again. I think there's a mixed view. We've tried to be pretty conservative in our planning, just recognizing the mechanisms required to rebalance the market. That's going to take time. My expectation is the second half of the year will look a lot better than the first half, but exactly where we end up on that bar, I think it's tough to tell. we'll get back there if not you know back into this year sometime into next year and potentially see an overcorrection so to speak as demand continues to pick up and with reduced supply you know we'll see we'll see that tightness in the supply-demand market play itself out in the downstream is what I would expect the challenge with all these things I'm talking about very fundamental things it's not a question of if that's going to happen but when I think the trick in this game and our view is you should recognize it's coming, but not build a plan based on the hope that it does.

Great. Thanks, Darren. Look forward to more updates in March. Thank you, Phil.

The next two, John Rigby with UBS.

Thank you. Thank you, Darren, for taking the questions. The first one is on the announcement around CCS. It seems to me that you've taken your time, the step into it is a considered one, and I guess it must be based at least with a view that there's a prospect of a business there. And so my question was, what do you think has to happen, or are you able to describe some of the steps that have to happen, both technologically and regulatory fiscally to get us from where we are now to something that looks like a genuine business opportunity. And the second question, I asked the follow-up as well at the same time. On CapEx, is it fair to characterize the level of CapEx that you need to address one of those three objectives that you had, which is to sustain the dividend over the very long term? that capex needs to be in that 21 to 25, and that the current level of spend that you're projecting for 21 is more around about protecting the balance sheet, and therefore not a sustainable level of capex in the long term consistent with your payout. Thanks.

Yeah, sure, John. So on the CCS, I think, as I indicated and as I've talked, I think, for as long as I've been publicly speaking about this, is we've recognized that carbon capture and storage is a critical element to achieving the ambitions of the Paris Agreement. One of the things that we've noticed over time is, and I think the IEA described it as momentum in this space, is that we're beginning to see a broader recognition of the importance of that technology. I think the industry for a long time has recognized, but I think more broadly it's being recognized as an important in terms of achieving the ambitions of the Paris Agreement. We've been working for quite some time on the technology and trying to address the cost side of that, to find a technology that was lower in cost, which would then make the opportunities more attractive and accelerate the deployment of CCS. A lot of work over the years on what I'd say is the fundamental process technology and the way that can actually concentrate CO2. And as we look at that portfolio we've been advancing, there's more work to be done there for sure. There's still technology developments that we've got to progress. But we're now seeing, I think, with the increased recognition of the need for this technology, governments being more amenable to and understanding and recognizing the need for policy frameworks and regulatory frameworks, legal frameworks to support establishing CCS. We're seeing investor demand where people are interested in investing in those types of projects. So I think there's money that's looking for opportunities to reduce carbon emissions. And then there's a market growing for reduction credits. We see a lot of things, a lot of market developments and momentum in the market as a whole, which all contribute to building a sustainable business. And so we felt like given where things have evolved to, now's the time to bring a more concerted effort in this space and start making sure that we're staffed and we've got people working hard, engaging with governments to help move all those things along. If you look at that portfolio project that we've got today, one of the biggest challenges in the policy and regulatory framework space. So that's a real focus area. I think certainly here in the U.S. we've got an administration that's Interested in progressing in this space and we're there and ready to talk with them and help provide some perspective from an industry standpoint We think the timing's right. Yeah, and we think we've got we put the right people in this new organization to kind of move that forward But it'll be I think you know, this is a complex area there are a lot of variables at play that we've got to bring together and we need to make sure that we've got our Senior management focused on bringing those things together On your CapEx, 2021 CapEx, you're right. That is a low CapEx number for us. In fact, if you look at the history and going back in time since Exxon and Mobil merged, it's the lowest level of capital spend that we've had in any year. And so I think it's fair to say, just using history as a guide, that that's probably not a sustainable level of CapEx. And it is a response to the environment that we found ourselves in and the recovery that we're making coming out of that environment. And I think longer term going forward, which is one of the reasons why our 2022 through 2025 range and guidance is higher, is just a recognition that in a more steady state environment, the spend needs to be higher to support kind of the growth and to underpin the capital allocation priorities we have. Okay.

Makes sense. Thank you. You bet, Jonathan.

We'll go next to Sam Margolin with Wolf Research.

Good morning.

Thank you for calling on me.

I did want to dig into commercialization of carbon capture a little bit because there's a few paths you could just sell carbon credits where applicable, but it also integrates with the rest of the business in an interesting way, particularly gas. You have potential customer overlap and and bundling opportunities. I know it's early days, but can you just talk about that as something that's kind of leading the way in this commercialization effort, how it overlaps with the existing business? Thanks.

Yeah, sure. I think the point you make, Sam, is the one maybe I was trying to hit on with Jonathan is this market demand in terms of people looking for cleaner options and offsets and emission reduction. steps and so we think there's an opportunity there with that with with many of our the products in our portfolio and we see that across frankly all of our sectors the downstream you mentioned gas certainly see that there in gas and we see opportunities from in terms of a recycling or environmentally improved footprint in the chemical business as well so I think you know that As I mentioned, the momentum that we're seeing broadly in this space is opening up market opportunities, which we think this business can get engaged with and make sure that we're contributing where we can. I mentioned to make a difference and move the needle, there needs to be fairly broad investment over time. And we have a lot of capabilities that lend itself to that. Not only do we have... technology work that we've been doing, but we've got a projects organization that knows how to scale up technologies and apply them. We have a manufacturing footprint that we can take advantage of. We've got a very good understanding of subsurface and how that works. We've got midstreams and pipelines. If you look at the different elements that have to go into successfully building a CCS business, it's very consistent with what we do today and very much in our wheelhouse. So we see that as an opportunity. And frankly, the challenge has been the development of the market and the needs here. And again, as we see the momentum in that grow, we see that opportunity. So I think that's the work and what we're focused on doing here.

Thanks. And just as a follow-up in terms of scale and the addressable market here, your slide on carbon capture, you know, as a percentage of the total carbon offset targets, around 15%. You know, let's say Exxon, in your 19 sustainability report, you have about 120 million tons of Scope 1 and 2 emissions. Is a 15% number of that kind of a reasonable scope, you know, call it like 18 million tons potentially of scalability here? Is that kind of the way you're thinking about it?

Well, I would tell you, in part, forming this, moving from a venture to a full-blown business, one of the advantages within the company is that brings that business into our plan process where we can put together marketing and business plans, put together annual plans, and lay all that opportunity out. I would tell you, Sam, this is the year that we will do that with this business. We'll give Joe a chance to get in the chair and then We'll start to kind of track it like we do all the other businesses. And so I'd say that's a question that we'll answer as we go forward and look at these opportunities. I mean, a big variable in all this is just there's a lot of things that have to come together to make these things move and progress. market moves part of its function of how how quickly the government's respond and put in the right kind of regulatory and policy frameworks and so I think it's a complicated space but it's one that you know very consistent with what we've historically done and so I feel pretty optimistic that we can come in and contribute and actually help in the space and it's very consistent with our competencies and capabilities and so this is the space that we feel like But I would say stay tuned. There's a lot of work that has to happen here. And as we develop that, we'll be sharing with you how we see the potential here and how these opportunities are developing.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Sam. Operator, I think we probably have time for one more caller.

Yes, looks like we have time for one more question. Our last question will be from Devin McDermott with Morgan Stanley.

Hey, good morning. Thank you for squeezing me in here. Appreciate it. So I wanted to maybe first follow up on the line of questioning here on the low carbon business. And the last few questions have been on the carbon capture side, but you mentioned some other opportunities in hydrogen and biofuels. And I was wondering if you could just elaborate on some of the types of projects and technologies that you're focused on advancing there. And then as part of that, as we think about this low-carbon spending that you have planned over the next few years, are there pockets of opportunities across these businesses that are starting to compete for capital with the legacy upstream chemicals and downstream spending that you have in the capital program? And where are those biggest opportunities? What's kind of tangible in the near term for scaling capital?

Yeah, I would say, so we've got, we've had a very active technology portfolio across this whole space. You may recall in the past I've talked about our energy centers we've got around the world where we've partnered with universities, very focused on investing in areas where we see the potential for alternatives. Biofuels is an area where we've got a number of different technology drives to see if we can develop more cost-effective biofuels that work at scale. a lot of work in process technology and how we take existing processes and make them more energy efficient, less emissions associated with them. So, you know, trying to leverage some of the new materials that are out there. There's a lot, I'd say we've got a really broad spectrum of opportunities we've been working on. We've got relationships with 80 universities where We're not necessarily steering that technology work, but we are participating in it. And as we see those technologies advance and get higher potential, have a higher potential, those things we would look to try to bring into the portfolios. We've got, what I'd say, we've cast a pretty wide net around the technology space, recognizing that it's requiring some level of evolution, if not breakthroughs in technologies for them to be successful. And so since you can't really plan for that, we kind of keep a finger on the pulse of a lot of different technologies with the intent then to, as they look more promising, try to bring them into the emerging and then commercial technology space. And so that's the work that this new group will be focused on. And again, it will complement what we're doing in the carbon capture and storage. We've got the biofield work that we've been doing, and we've got the... Process technology work that we've been doing and a lot of those things overlap with one another Certainly and then of course that then also has hydrogen and the process technology work we're doing and the CCS work together Have a lot of overlap with potential for hydrogen generation. So I'd say that's the space that we tend to be working on from a from a technology standpoint and then with respect to the spend this is a a long-term focus area for our facilities and businesses and you can see from the progress we've made with reducing greenhouse gases it's not something new it's something we've been after a year after year after year and and those opportunities continue to present themselves and I mentioned in my prepared remarks that with the new organization and the new processes that we've put in place we've got you know more direct and better line of sight to those opportunities so that we can make sure they're getting funded and moving forward and that's all built into our plan 2025 objectives that we've laid out.

Great, thanks. Very helpful detail and sounds like a lot of exciting opportunities. My follow up, hopefully a quicker one here, as we think about just the capital spending range over the next several years, the 20 to 25 billion and contextualize that with the analysis that you had in the slides on the amount of cash flow contribution in 2025 and some of the new projects coming online. I was wondering if you could just help us pinpoint what level of spending you think is required in order to just hold cash flow across the business flat over a multi-year period, understanding it's going to be higher than the 2021 spend, somewhere within that $20 to $25 billion. Any way we can fine-tune that estimate a little bit in terms of the maintenance cap, that's the whole cash flow study?

Yeah, well, I think the way we tend to look at it is how do you maximize the value of And we don't have an objective of trying to hold volumes or any other metric. It comes back to what are the projects that we have available to us, the investments, what are the returns that we think we can generate from those investments, what advantage do they have versus industry and within our own portfolio, how robust are they to the price environment. So I would say that as we look to build up our investment, Profile, it's understanding what the value of those investments are and then putting those in the context of the constraints that we're operating under to see which ones get funded and how we prioritize them. So I would say, you know, in 2020, one of the things, given the impacts of coronavirus and we're all on our balance sheet is we've really prioritized and focused on the highest value first. We've still got a really deep portfolio that will continue to advance. as the circumstances allow and as the market allows. And so that's how we're going to kind of go forward. And that range that we've given in the outer years is indicative of what we think it would be required to continue to fund that very attractive set of investments. Again, I'll come back to, though, if the market and the price environment is not supportive of that, that will be a constraint that continues to moderate that capital as I've shown I showed on the chart we've got lots of flexibility particularly as you move out into the outer years to pull back if we feel like that's the best thing to do given the environment that we find ourselves in make sure we continue to pay you know a very strong dividend and maintain a balance sheet that's going to allow us to ride through the cycles and continue to invest those are the three things and I would just say there's no hard formula it's responding to the current circumstances and making sure that we're striking the right balance because each of those plays a really important part in the value proposition for the corporation.

Understood. Thanks again for taking my questions.

Thank you, Devin. Well, thank you for your time and thoughtful questions this morning. We appreciate you allowing us the opportunity to highlight fourth quarter results. We appreciate your interest and hope you enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you. And please stay safe. Thank you.

This concludes today's call. We thank everyone again for their participation.