Yelp Inc.

Q3 2024 Earnings Conference Call

11/7/2024

spk01: and paying advertising locations to 524,000. We remain focused on driving growth through our most efficient channels. Self-Serve was strong and grew approximately 15% year-over-year in the quarter. At the same time, multi-location revenue came in approximately flat year-over-year, reflecting continued softness in our RNO. Turning to expenses, our third quarter results demonstrate the margin potential of our business, with a net income margin of 11% and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 28%. We achieved these strong results through disciplined expense management. Through the end of the third quarter, we had spent $24 million on paid project acquisition, including $6 million spent in the quarter. As we efficiently allocate resources towards our best opportunities, we continue to expect headcount will be approximately flat year over year by the end of 2024, excluding RepairPal employees who will be joining us. In the third quarter, we reduced stock-based compensation expense as a percentage of revenue by two percentage points year over year and remain focused on reaching less than 8% by the end of 2025. We expect these efforts to stack over time, improving the quality of our adjusted EBITDA and benefiting GAAP profitability in the years to come. Our capital allocation strategy consists of three main elements. First, maintaining a healthy cash balance to fund our operations. Second, retaining capacity for potential acquisitions. And third, returning excess capital to shareholders through share repurchases. In the third quarter, we repurchased $62.5 million worth of shares at an average purchase price of $35.07 per share. As of September 30th, 2024, we have $393 million remaining under our existing repurchase authorization. We plan to continue repurchasing shares through the remainder of 2024, subject to market and economic conditions. As Jeremy mentioned, today we announced our plan acquisition of RepairPal. We expect to pay approximately $80 million in cash for this acquisition. For the 12 months ended August 31, 2024, RepairPal generated approximately $30 million in revenue. Over the same period, cash and net income were approximately break-evened. Subject to customary closing conditions, we expect to close by the end of the year. This acquisition demonstrates our ability to deploy capital from our balance sheet in support of our business strategy. Turning to our outlook, when we updated our outlook for 2024 in August, we expected continued strength in services and better performance in our R&O revenue in the fourth quarter, as our R&O advertisers typically increase their spend seasonally. While services has maintained its momentum, We no longer expect RR&O revenue to increase in the fourth quarter, given the persistence of the operating challenges impacting RR&O businesses. For the full year, we now expect net revenue will be in the range of $1.397 billion to $1.402 billion, a decrease of $18 million at the midpoint. Turning to margin, we remain dedicated to disciplined expense management. We now expect to spend approximately $30 million for the year on paid search given that our third quarter experimentation did not achieve our desired returns. Going forward, we plan to continue spending on paid search in more modest amounts as part of our overall marketing expense, but no longer expect to break out the specific amount. We now expect adjusted EBITDA for the full year to be in the range of $341 million to $346 million, an increase of about $14 million at the midpoint despite continued headwinds in our RNO. In closing, Yelp's third quarter results reflect the underlying profitability of our business. We continue to believe in the opportunities ahead to create shareholder value over the long term as we focus our investments in areas that we believe will drive business performance. With that, operator, please open up the line for questions.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, if you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. If you have dialed in and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. We kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow up. Our first question comes from the line of Jason Cryer with Craig Hallam. Please go ahead.
spk07: Great. Thank you. This is Cal for Jason. Maybe first for me, just kind of curious what the opportunity you're seeing in auto services is and, you know, why is now the time to push more heavily into this vertical?
spk02: All right. Hey, Cal. This is Jeremy. I think I can take that. You know, we do maintain capital on our balance sheet, as David mentioned earlier. For tuck-in acquisitions, we're always looking for opportunities, and this fits squarely within our services strategy. If you look at auto, it's one of our top categories within services. It's a $90 million run rate annually for Yelp. And the RepairPal folks are real experts in auto. So it brings in a lot of deep knowledge about the industry, relationships, repairs, as well as the cost of those repairs. And we think that's particularly useful in products like Request a Quote and Yelp Assistant, where we've seen a lot of success this year. So helping us hold the consumer's hand as they describe their issue, get them matched with service providers like auto shops that may be able to help them, give clarity around pricing. We see a lot of benefits for both sides of our marketplace by bringing in their knowledge. We also see an opportunity to leverage some of our strengths, be it our audience, our SEO capabilities and knowledge, as well as our SEM knowledge. So it's really a win-win. We're excited to grow together from this point.
spk07: Great. And then just last for me, just kind of want to follow up on some of the RRNO commentary. I'm just curious if there's anything new to call out in RRNO, if headwinds have gotten better or worse, or if this is just kind of a continuation of the trends you've seen throughout the year.
spk04: Yeah, thanks, Cal. This is Jed. I can take that. It's really been the same story throughout 2024 with consistent macro headwinds for businesses operating in the RRO categories. Obviously, RRO businesses are facing elevated input costs. You look at the cost of labor, the cost of food, and consumers are impacted by what has been a compounded inflationary environment and kind of feeling that squeeze. You know, there are also obviously some some on the margin, some external factors, you know, delivery fees, et cetera. And it's just one of the many factors that are hitting this restaurant retail and other category. You know, we do believe that this is a cyclical moment and that we've maintained a lot of really strong relationships. And, you know, ultimately, when this does turn and we don't have a crystal ball on that, we believe we're very well positioned to capture that opportunity. We continue to, you know, invest from a product perspective and invest from a relationship perspective.
spk07: Perfect. Thanks for all the color.
spk08: Our next question comes from the line of Shweta Kajuria with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hi, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about your guide for the rest of the year. And you've brought in kind of revenue a little bit and EBITDA has stepped up kind of in response. And so wondering what specific measures or discipline you're going to be taking, maybe what line items, any color would be helpful there.
spk01: Great. This is David. So just stepping back on the guidance in terms of As I said in my remarks, on the restaurant retail and other side, these types of advertisers typically increase their spend seasonally, and we no longer expect that to be the case. So that's a dynamic playing out on RRNO plus what Jed just shared. And, you know, it's worth underscoring, though, on the services front, we grew 11% in the third quarter. And we continue to see strength there. In terms of the margin components, we believe that our strong expense discipline is showing up. We believe we're getting more efficient. As a reminder, we're planning to hold headcount flat again here in 2024. On the marketing front, we saw an opportunity to be more efficient with that marketing spend. And we did pull back from what we had previously shared in terms of full year spend on paid search. Those are showing up. In addition, we saw some goodness in terms of capitalized software development, and there were some other areas like healthcare expense that ended up being positive in the third quarter. And just for the overall year, obviously, we're able to increase the guidance as a reflection both of that performance in the third quarter and just the continuing expense discipline. We're very, very focused on ROI and making sure that we're allocating all of our resources, marketing dollars, folks on the team in the right places to drive performance. And I just say overall for the long term, we are very, very focused on driving profitable growth. So when you put all that together, that's what informs the updated guidance for 2024.
spk09: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. And if I could ask one more, could you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in paid search and maybe top of funnel growth for request to quote?
spk02: Sure, I can take that. Yes, we've been working on paid search, striving in particular projects to request a quote. We've learned a ton this year, and those learnings will definitely go in to improve the product and our efforts The rest of the year, as well as into 25, the top of funnel, you know, we're really happy with. We were able to bring in lots of projects. We think quality projects at reasonable prices. Where we saw opportunity was really on driving impact on the advertiser's behavior. We needed to see much better retention, higher ad budgets from those folks. And anecdotally, it's a little bit hard. If you're suddenly getting a bunch more projects, you might not be able to spool up a truck right away. And so there's some challenges there. So we have work to do. So we're going to bring down those spend levels, or we have already brought down those spend levels, and we're going to keep iterating. We do believe there is a there there. We're excited about having validated that there is this pool of leads and that we can bring them effectively at Yelp. But we want to make sure that there is a significant ROI there and one that we're happy with. So in the meantime, we're not going to spend that money at the scale that we were, and we'll flow that through to adjusted EBITDA for shareholders.
spk09: Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Thanks for the time.
spk08: Our next question comes from the line of Josh Beck with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk06: Yeah, thanks so much for taking the question. I wanted to also ask about the acquisition in the auto space. I think you mentioned that it was around $30 million of revenue. I think your run rate there is kind of 90 in that vertical. So is this something that you feel like maybe more of a vertical specific approach in some of these verticals that are smaller, you know, for you can kind of really help open up, you know, the opportunity and, you know, I don't expect a specific comment, but, you know, does this same approach maybe apply to other, you know, services verticals as well down the road?
spk02: Sure, I can take a take a stab at that one. You know, we do, there is a large number of categories, uh, within services. Um, you know, we talk a lot about home services, uh, which, you know, has grown at, has been grown at 15%. Overall services has been growing, uh, at 11%. Um, you know, we've been happy with that, but, you know, at the same time we do, we have reserved capital on our balance sheet for tuck in acquisitions. You know, there's an opportunistic element to all of this in, you know, when do you find someone that's a potential acquisition target that really fits with your strategy, that has a great team, and you think there's kind of a yin-yang, win-win relationship that can happen as a result of an acquisition. And all of the stars aligned in this case and led to us acquiring RepairPal. We're really excited about the opportunity. You know, auto is one of the top categories. And as you said, Yelp already has a significant business there with a $90 million run rate within the auto category. We do see this fit again, very nicely bringing in a lot of expertise and intelligence within auto to make us better, particularly with request a quote and Yelp assistant being able to bake in some of that pricing for our consumers. And then on their existing business, as you said, you know, there is a significant business there north of $30 million. And we're able to bring our audience potentially to bear to help them. We have obviously a lot of expertise in SEO and paid search. So we're excited to see what we can do together going forward.
spk06: Okay, that's super helpful. And then maybe just a little bit of a follow-up on the generative search landscape. You've had this relationship with perplexity. Any early learnings and, I guess, guidance on how to think about maybe how that market could unfold and potentially create you know, either traffic generation opportunities for you, or just, you know, in some ways kind of gauge the frequency at which, you know, consumers see Yelp results?
spk02: Sure. I would say for the first time in a long time, I started to get excited about general search in the sense that there are some new entrants. There's obviously also anti-trust enforcement in a way that we haven't seen in decades. And I think you bring those two things together and you create a real opportunity. There are early players like Perplexity that appear to be doing well, certainly growing. They've been in the news with their big fundraising round. And we're happy to be working with folks like that. Our door is open as far as licensing. We obviously have APIs that we can bring to bear for companies that are pursuing this. So I do think it represents a really interesting opportunity for Yelp. If you step back and look at what does Yelp have to offer, I think if you're looking for local content in North America, we are an obvious place to knock on the door. If you're working with LLMs, you know that trust is going to be an issue. You know that they can hallucinate even locations. They can hallucinate hours, all sorts of things. So you really do want to be grounded in trustworthy content. And that's one thing that Yelp absolutely excels at, you know, be it both location information, things like hours, attributes, but also, you know, perhaps most importantly, reputation information about individual businesses. So we are excited about the opportunity. It's still very early, but our door is open and we're having conversations.
spk06: Good to hear. Thank you.
spk08: Our next question comes from the line of Sergio Segura with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk03: Great. Thank you for taking the questions. I guess the first on SEM, the investment hasn't really translated into the results you envisioned when you started this investment. So I guess, could you just walk us through why you believe it played out this way and just kind of what did you learn that was different than your original thesis?
spk02: Yeah, this is Jeremy. You know, I think when we first stepped in, you know, we wanted to validate, hey, that there is a big pool of leads that we can bring into Yelp and direct to where we need them. And the good news there is on the top of the funnel, you know, we were able to bring in significant project volume. And those projects appear to be of pretty good quality at reasonable prices. Now, the unique challenge that we have on our side is when it comes to advertisers, they really have to change their behavior for us to drive a return. So they have to either retain a lot better or they have to be willing in relatively short order to bump up their spending with us. And while we did see improvements there, especially as we narrowed our focus into the businesses that we thought needed leads the most, we didn't see a magnitude change that would deliver the return we were looking for. And the only way, of course, for us to figure this out was to run it at the scale that we did. We do still think there is real value to unlock there, but we have work to do to unlock the opportunity. And so we're bringing down that spend so we can continue to focus and iterate. And we look forward to keeping you informed about the opportunity as it develops.
spk03: Got it. That's helpful, Jeremy. And maybe if I could sneak two in one, two short ones here. You know, one of the drivers you guys pointed out for ad clicks was that SEM investment. So as you do moderate that investment, should we expect ad clicks to also slow down because of that? And then secondly, you know, you mentioned CPC increasing due to services mix. Any commentary on what CPC looks within services? Is that increasing, staying stable, decreasing? Any comments on around that would be helpful. Thank you.
spk02: Sure. So looking at your first question there, with respect to projects, while we did bring down the paid spend by half, we continued to grow project volume at 25%. And so how did we do that? Well, a lot of that is through our product-led strategy. So Yelp Assistant has been really delivering for us. We also continue to do work on the ad matching system, which yields efficiencies. And we have a deep portfolio of improvements. So we do believe there's still plenty of room for innovation there to drive ad clicks and create efficiencies on the volume that we have, the traffic volume that we have.
spk01: Sergio, just to add a few more thoughts here and stepping back for a second, the overall auction system is designed to optimize the deployment of budget on behalf of advertisers who give us that budget to deploy. And so we're not specifically targeting ad clicks or CPCs. Rather, we're letting the auction find the market clean price in that category at that time in that geography. So that's just the fundamental of the way that the system overall operates. Now, the more traffic that you have, if you're bringing projects and that's delivering clicks, then certainly that's going to feed into the overall system. And then that impact typically would be if budget's constant for CPCs to decline. Now, it's obviously under the hood. It's a bit more complicated than all of that. And what we're focused on most of all is continuing to deliver more value to advertisers. And so we're continuously working to improve the matching. One of the things that's so important for us around Yelp Assistant is our ability to get more information using an LLM from customers very quickly with the right questions. That feeds right back into the system. and enables us to do even better matching. So we're always looking for ways to drive improvements. And while the overall project growth has been up significantly, a considerable amount of that is just from the improvements that we're driving and not exclusively from the paid search spend. So we remain optimistic in the roadmap that we have ahead to continue to generate projects. And when we get those projects to direct them to the right advertisers, And then, of course, to deliver value to the advertisers and to the consumers. In terms of your question about services versus restaurant, retail and other in general, what we do see is strength of demand and on the services front. And so typically, if you're going to see stronger demand from advertisers, you would expect to see TPCs rise. And then there's still that makeshift component as we're able to put in front of consumers projects that are in categories that have a higher payout for that service pro, then obviously the clicks are more expensive, and you've seen a mixed shift there. So that's going to add to the potential growth in CPCs. So you roll all that together, and we're pleased with the way the system is operating. We're going to continue to execute against the roadmap, and there's a lot more to come.
spk03: Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you both.
spk08: Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1. Our next question comes from the line of John Colantoni with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hi there. This is Chris. I'm for John. I appreciate you taking the question. Can you help us frame the margin profile of the business after integrating repair payout? As we think about adjusting a model to the acquisition, how should we be thinking about repair pal's investment intensity across the P&L and really their ability to drive upside from breakeven over time.
spk01: Thanks, Chris. This is David. So yeah, just to recap, $30 million run rate or $30 million in revenue through August for the prior 12 months at a breakeven level. And what we obviously aim to do, but we're going to provide a lot more commentary when we get to the Q4 call. We just announced the transaction obviously today, so we still have to close and start working together directly. But in concept, what we want to do, of course, as Jeremy mentioned, is to help drive traffic with them. We have both that experience on the SEO and SEM side. So that's, in a sense, leveraging The investments that we've made in Yelp over time, we can bring that to bear, we think, on RepairPal. We think that can be a positive from both from a revenue perspective and potentially from a margin perspective. And then they have a lot of expertise that we think can really help with our $90 million run rate auto business as it currently stands. Obviously, request a quote is request a quote. And they're really expert in estimating the cost of a repair, and we think that that could be really additive. So, net-net, we think we're in a great starting point. We're excited to have the team joining us. We think they bring a lot to Yelp. We think that we can bring a lot to RepairPile, and we'll look forward to sharing more with you when we get to the Q4 call.
spk05: Great. Very helpful. Thank you. One more, if I may. Can you help us dig into the pressure within RRNO by subsegment? So that is, are restaurants driving a disproportionate share of the weakness, or are there other buckets of advertisers within RRNO that have also been weak or maybe performed better than the consolidated number?
spk04: Yeah, thanks for the question. This is Jed. Overall, you know, certainly we do see the weakness on the restaurant component and that makes it, but, you know, overall in the entire RRO, restaurant retail and other, we are feeling headwinds from a macro perspective and they tend to operate in kind of the same way from a consumer perspective. And so, you know, when we look at it, you know, we're really obviously pleased on the services side and have, you know, continue to see kind of broad-based strength. And one of the things that, on services is from a channel perspective, we have the opportunity to go after the multi-location opportunity. We've made product improvements over the course of the past year, our lead API and improved business owner account to kind of take friction out of the process for those folks who have customer relationship management software. And we've had very healthy dialogue and pilots to date we've also learned a lot from the sem um that we've done over the last year and and and being able to drive leads to particular customers so but going back to your original question on the rrno it's broad based against restaurant retail and other okay super helpful thanks very much our next question comes from the line of robert coolbreath with evercore isi please go ahead
spk00: Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking our question. I just wanted to ask, I don't think you talked about it, but the changes in the consent regulations under the TCPA from the FCC, any sense of a tailwind to your business from maybe changes in the supply environment for leads and home services online, or just any broad thoughts on puts or takes there? Thank you.
spk01: Hey, Robert, this is David. Thanks for the question. In general, that has not been as relevant for us as it is for other advertisers, so can't say that that's been a significant driver.
spk00: Okay, got it. Thank you very much.
spk08: We have no further questions at this time. With that, we will conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation, and you may now disconnect.
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