Alior Bank Sa Unsp/Adr

Ladies and gentlemen, may I welcome everyone cordially. My name is Dominik Prokop. I represent the Investment Relations Department. This is a conference devoted to results of the fourth quarter as well as the whole of 2025. The first part of the meeting will be devoted to the results of the bank as well as the trends. And this will be headed by the president, Piotr Żabski, who will sum up the most important trends and will tell us about the results in the business area.

We will have also Marcin Ciszewski, who will present the risk, and Zdzisław Wojtara, deputy president, who will tell us about finance.

After the presentations, we will then have a Q&A Before I hand over to President Żabski, let me encourage all of you who are listening to us to ask questions already in the first part of the presentation, which will enable us to smoothly continue with the Q&A. that is all from me i hand over to president ladies and gentlemen good morning may i welcome everyone cordially at the results publication the supervisor board approved our financial statement yesterday so we can tell you about what has happened in the fourth quarter of 2025 but also in the whole of 2025. So there will be a lot of figures devoted both to the fourth quarter and the whole of the year. It is a special moment for us because this is the first full year when we can present the results which we had forecast and delivered, which you will see in a moment. But it's also a very good stage for our development. We are in the new headquarters of our bank. There was a move to the new headquarters in September, and this is the first conference in this new beautiful headquarters, Varso Tower. Moving on. to the bank results, let me point to some important aspects. In the fourth quarter, as far as revenues are concerned, we had a very good result, almost 1.5 billion zlotys revenues. 1.26 is the interest income, which is by 4% less year on year. But if you compare the quarters, but the commission income is very good, 240 million, which is by 9% higher than the fourth quarter of the previous year. And so the revenues of the whole year reached 6 billion for 2025, which was focused in our strategy. There was a great contribution in the new sales. The interest income is 5.13 billion, 1% drop year on year. Obviously, there was a drop in interest rates and that translates into this decreased results. But the commission income for 2025 is by 4% higher and translates into 900 million zlotys. Net profit in the fourth quarter is 688 million, by 12% higher than the previous quarter, the previous year's quarter, and 2.35 billion net profit for 2025, which is a decrease by 3%, which we consider a good result considering the interest rate drops. This was delivered in very high ROE ratios, 21.7% in the fourth quarter and 19.6% for the whole of 2025. We forecast 18%, if you may remember. In the lower left-hand corner, a number of good details. We continue the drop. trajectory in our cost of risk ratios and the drop in our NPL ratio.

The cost of risk quarter and quarter is below one percentage point and

13 percent point not point 30 percent points drop for 2025 so another good year when we improve the ratios there and the npl ratio today is a very important element of our dividend decision that is 5.64 percent our promise and the strategy is therefore continued we plan to go down below five percent of the npl ratio We will hear later about the significance of that particular drop. As far as customer relations are concerned, we keep growing. The relational customers are now 1.7 million. We kept selling more, but we had a considerable churn, which will later be commented upon. There were individual promotional activities finished and some of the customers moved to other banks. We put a lot of stress on relational customers. and we grew there by 107,000 customers. As for mobile app users, there was a considerable growth, the fastest growth in the sector, 17%. There was an improvement in our application. We were able to offer it as a product to the customers at a more professional level. The sales, which were considerable and improved our results, was 8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2025, which was an increase of 12% year on year. In the whole of 2025, there was a growth of 17%. together with the leasing sales it was about 20%, which is very good because our promise of growth is therefore materializing. What is also crucial is how to deal with the churn, but that is the task for this current year. There's been a growth in the deposit portfolio. It grew alongside the market at the level of about 7% year-on-year. The value of our portfolio at the end of the year was 82.6 billion zlotys. What is worth noting is that it's been a very good quarter in earlier leasing, the fourth quarter. But the whole of the year was good as far as the leasing activity is concerned. For the business customer, the leasing product is our flagship product, especially for small and medium-sized enterprises. 7.2 billion zlotys is the portfolio, which is 9% growth year-on-year. In the fourth quarter, we had 14% growth year-on-year. We are not present in all the segments, mind you, so this is especially good in that context. Now, a few bits of information which may be new to you. What is of paramount importance? We are now part of the top tier. As far as finance is concerned, we are above 100 billion zlotys, which is a growth of 9% of our assets year on year. The working loans translate into 5% growth. and a 7% growth in deposits, which is 82.6 billion zlotys. And as I already mentioned, 1.1 billion zlotys in assets. As for other figures, we show you in the first line, the fourth, quarter compared to the fourth quarter of the previous year. Cost to income ratio around 38% annually and quarterly. The costs have grown. Zdzisław will refer to that later. As for the NIM ratio, in the fourth quarter, the lower interest rate translates into this result, but we have 5.38%. And as for ROE, I already mentioned a very good result above our strategic forecast. As for cost of risk, not 0.29% and not 0.49% for the whole of the year. So there's been an improvement in each of these indices. As for the capital, we are at the level where we can be confident in developing our scale. And the NPL 5.64%. So our promise has been delivered. We want to be a dividend bank. We want to be able to pay even more than 50% of our income, but we would have to go below 5%. Marcin will tell you about that later. Now, a few words about the customer side. 107,000 new customers, 240,000 mobile app new users, about 5% of the mobile app users are banking with us. We are catching up on the slightly worse results in the previous stages in a very dynamic way. Now a few words about what is happening on the deposit side. This is the top left-hand corner. The structure of our assets of retail customers is presented there. There's been a growth of 13% across the year in all the constituent parts of this portfolio, which makes us very happy. We're happy to see the investment funds growth, because this is a considerable part of our commission revenue. And investments, as you can see, are also going up. On the right-hand side, you can see the gross loans to retail customers divided into the consumer loans and the real estate loans. about the guaranteed and non-guaranteed ones. In the fourth quarter, you can see that there was almost a parity as regards both the guaranteed and non-guaranteed loans with an increase on the side of the real estate loans, the longer-term guaranteed loans but with lower risk and greater markup. So we are slightly changing the product mix in our portfolio in the direction of the better products with lower levels of risk. At the bottom, you can see the loans which are shown in the dark red color in the top slide. There's been a growth of 40% in the non-mortgage loans to retail customers. That is the growth of sales, not of the portfolio. Both parts, the cash loans and the consumer finance, behave according to our forecasts. What I would like to comment on is the right-hand side bottom corner, the growth in the mortgage loans, 36% growth of sales year on year. If you consider that 2024 saw one-fourth, as far as I remember, of the sales under Big A2. If we decrease that, then the increase would be almost twofold. We increased the sales by 100%. And we keep growing it quarter on quarter. Our share is higher than it would seem from the analysis of our share in the whole of the loans balance in the sector. What I mentioned previously is the importance of the mobile customer. We have a new application which is going very smoothly. It does not crash. There is easy access to all the features. There's been a great improvement there.

Okay.

assessment of the customers is very positive as you can see so we are improving the as far as the application is concerned as regards the business customer let me focus on this now in the top left hand corner you can see that there's been a drop by 5% in the portfolio size, but a few words of explanation are on order. In this particular portfolio, we have the micro segment and small, medium-sized and large companies. As for the micro, sector. This will keep growing because we have the largest NPL ratio there and we have to get rid of that portfolio which we are doing step by step. So this part is decreasing definitely and the difference as regards the sales is about 32% drop year on year. At the same time we keep improving in the segments where we are a good player, where we are confident and competent in the small and medium-sized enterprises, and there's been a growth of 32% there. So if you consider that we are getting rid of what's in the top right hand corner of the non-working non-performing portfolio then if you put all these together plus the new sales which has grown by 14 has not yet translated into the growth of the whole portfolio so in the middle of that portfolio there are all kinds of things happening sometimes contradictory in different segments different things are happening but we hope that the trend will reverse and the small and medium-sized companies is not the segment where we will see the huge increases which in previous stages saw an increased level of risk. So this time has passed.

For our business customers, they've got their profits here, 3% increase year on year.

We are especially happy about the fact that a new system that we have launched, as far as our IT is concerned, very much focused on our mobile app, has been taken advantage of vastly by our customers. So our customers do their banking online in digital channels, which is something that makes us very content. Now leasing is our response to the needs of micro customers. But also, given the fact that the banking sector may also ensure funding to micro-companies that have been there for less than two years, leasing is a very nice response. Nine percent increase year on year as far as the sales go. Thirteen percent, four to three and fourteen percent. So this portfolio has increased by nine percentage points. We do not play on all the segments. We only service the most promising sector, that is, the light vehicles. It is not our specialization. Machinery and heavy-duty vehicles is where we have most competence. This is where we keep growing, and this is our response, manifesting how we can securely grow in the business sector. So much for a very short commentary to rather general results of the bank, and now Marcin will tell you more about the risks. Piotr, thank you very much indeed. I welcome you all.

What is our capital standing of the bank?

It is very safe and sound. in T1 and TCR.

The ratios are 73, which makes us having a nice buffer, the regulatory minimums. And this gets translated in PLNs into 4.8 billion Polish zlotys. And we are very consistent.

In our underrations, we issue further instalments of bonds. The year was closed at 2143 percent, 257 BPS. higher compared to the regulatory minimum that is imposed on the Allure Bank Group. For the liquidity indicators, long-term and short-term liquidity ratios are equally safe and sound, exceeding regulatory minimums at a safe level. 245% and 49% for the other ratio.

As Piotr has already told you, our assessment is this.

We very much comply with the requirements that enable to have a distribution of 50% dividend and we are awaiting other orders, no decisions in that regard have been taken as of now. To make a reference to what Piotr has said already, this slide comes to reflect the way we manage risk, both with regard to core as well as NPL ratio. COR was standing at 0.49%, so this is yet another period, consecutive period, we have been dropping this particular index.

And please pay attention.

This index is very much impacted by the sales of other portfolios, like not performing loans. This is one of the constituents that is taken advantage of as far as cleaning the portfolio is concerned. And we do clean it in terms of sales and at the same time, we have managed to maintain our directional COR, that we have otherwise shaped the level not exceeding 0.8%. And as I have already said, we are very much pursuing our strategy, our operations, which targets at non-performing ratio at a level below 5% threshold. Our strategy says this particular ratio towards the end of the year will get below the 5% level. So we keep pursuing this path and we will manage to decrease the ZED index below the level of 5% by the end of this year. Gradual improvement of the quality of the loan portfolio, 3.6 billion, that's the final value of the year, as we discussed at our previous conference. Towards the end of Q3, we had one substantial default in our sector of business customers.

But in spite of all that factor, there's been a further decrease of non-performing loans.

NPL ratio for retail customers, well, it stands at a very confident level, especially when it comes to business customers are concerned Still, there is a lot of work to be done in the micro segment because that respective index is still two-digit.

On the right-hand side, top of the page, we can see what was happening in quarter three and four.

NPL's sale affected significantly the level in quarter three and four respectively. You may want to see the level of COR, which has been generated on our end, without one of us. That would be relevant to mention. And now Steve Smith will take the floor. Thanks a lot. Now it is my turn to discuss the financial results. Let us first look at our revenue side. Between 2024 and 2023, 1% drop, 49 million Polish zlotys. So we have managed to maneuver well in the environment of decreasing interest rates. and significant costs are very well indeed because the revenues are well comparable between 2024 as well as 2025. The commentary we got from Piotr on the development of our business volumes made us capable of compensating the decrease of index raised by the growth of business.

Let us now have a look at our growth. There is a drop of 3% yet.

These quantities were comparable between 2024 and 2025. So we must consider three factors indeed. one of them being interest rates cuts.

Secondly, PFG costs decreasing and, third of all, a one-off event, that is, tax asset.

The impact of the revaluation of the net tax asset, I will discuss it further. Quarter 4, 2024, 2025, if we put them all together in 2024, we accounted the cost from the whole 2024, whereas as regards 2025, I will show it to you in the next slides, we cared that there is a linear growth materializing. So this basically explains the difference of 13% between Q4 2024 when compared to Q4 2025. Now, let me discuss in detail our income statement. The first column that you see marked in yellow, these are quarterly results which have already been well commented by Pianta. Now, please bear in mind a stable interest result.

There's been a stability because in quarter three already we had reflected all the impact of the interest rate cuts. Two reserve positions that they would like to comment on. One, concerning free of charge credit sanctions. So there has been a reserve in quarter three. And the difference is the outcome of the change of the quantity of cases that come in.

And also our model approach is taken into consideration, but this isn't

troubling by any means. Another position, 50 million, cost of risk of mortgages in foreign currencies, that is in euro, 50,151,000 in the whole of 2025.

So we are straining every senior for both these positions.

That is, the sanctions and mortgages in foreign currencies to be manifesting a conservative stance so that the whole of the risk gets reflected in a relevant manner. We had 110 more court cases.

That's been a growth in this respect.

This isn't significant.

However, I wouldn't expect any increase in the current year. I suspect we should talk about the quantities that will be lower when compared to 2025 as regards the reserve. Tax assets, that is income tax, there has been a substantial difference, especially if you pay attention to quarters three and four.

Here there's been a plus, paradoxically enough, but there's been a discussion of that by other colleagues of mine.

So there's been the introduction of a high tax as of January this year. Therefore, we must do other estimates based on another interest rate, 9.5 million on the plus side that was accounted for in quarter three. Yearly results are pretty solid on the interest rates side and loans side. Margin was already speaking about that.

Net 2,337,000,000 is a very solid closing of the year, including all the

All the factors that Piotr was speaking at length about. Now let me move on to yet another look at our costs and interest costs. This comes as no surprise, especially if you consider the medium part of the graph. Our quarterly statements manifest a decrease of 10 percent stemming from lower interest rates, 22 percent on the side of the interest.

By and large, it gets reflected in the increase of our margin, interest rate margin.

It used to be 6 percent, now it got lower to 5.38. the impact of the lowest interest rates. That is number one factor. But there is also another factor that is a changing structure of our statement, which is the product of us selling other products, that is, mortgages.

If we get back in time, mortgages

Given interest rates reality well the margin was pretty high but now the mortgages are being sold more dynamically. They've got other profit characteristics and therefore the margin has been a little bit more sluggish. So the margin is very impactful as regards the margin that you will get to see in the quarter for 2025, on the one hand. But on the other hand, if you have a long-term perspective, we are building up a very stable portfolio for revenues and a longer time horizon for the bank. So the whole bank industry has been learning lessons around the ease of mortgages. This has been included in our contracts and all the clauses which are relevant. This is precisely how we wanted to mirror also the guidelines of the Polish Financial Supervision Authority. So our portfolio is this. It is looking into a long-time horizon. So my take is it is a very positive trend. The very interest rate profit, it has dropped by 2%. Also, taking into consideration the credit on vacation that happened in 2024, it is by no way surprising because this is clearly our response to the the result of interest rates, given the dropping of the interest rates.

Now about commission, as you look at the first quarter and results concerning the first quarter, there were questions about whether this would not be our Achilles' heel and whether we will manage in the subsequent quarters. We said yes, we will want to improve it. And here you can see the result of our activities. If you take year-on-year results, you see that there's been an improvement by 9% in the commission income. And the source of that income is also important. It stems from the activity of retail customers and the activity of customers who use different products of Alio Bank, but also the brokerage commission, which stems from the activity of our customers, the development of our TFI, participation in investment funds, the individual advisory services to customers. All this has translated into these improvements and these activities will certainly be continued. There's been stabilization of operating expenses in 2025. We are quite happy that we've managed to optimize the operating costs of the bank. If we deduct the BFG costs, and focus on the earlier bank internal costs. The costs have grown by 5%, which is below what I had communicated a few quarters before. We talked about 67%, but we've managed to keep it at the level of 5%. So that's a very good result. Another important element which I want to draw your attention to and which was also forecast by us, we wanted the growth to be foreseeable and comparable. And we've delivered that aspect. If you look at the first quarter, We see a one-off BFG cost there. There was a one-off event which affected the raise, but other positions are quite well comparable and we will keep maintaining the cost discipline so that they can be compared quarter to quarter. I am convinced that we'll be able to continue with that in 2026, and we want to have the rise of costs even below the 5%. The cost-income ratio is very good, 37.9%, and the quarterly ratio and 39% in the annual result, so that is also a good indicator for the development. and for the cost structure of audio bank and i hand over to piotr thank you gentlemen just to sum it up i would like to say that our business agenda the one that we've addressed in our strategy is working according to our expectations we announced three pillars in our strategy that we want to focus on and they are connected strongly to the development of the bank. The first one is the growth of scale, entering the top tier, 100 billion zlotys. A leader in consumer finance. We are definitely a leader there. No one is ahead of us as yet. We keep growing in relationship customers. That's our focus, 107,000 new customers. There's been a certain level of churn which we are struggling with. But the rise in the transactional RORs, record growth in sales by 17%. If we divide the BFG, it's almost 20% of growth, especially driven by the mortgage loans. Deposits are growing, so the scale is materializing and the figures speak for themselves. The second pillar is the high resilience. I want to focus on the change of structure of our balance sheet. We go toward long-term loans which are guaranteed rather than the non-guaranteed at a lower margin level, but they bring a lot of stability to our portfolio. but we are not slowing down as far as consumer finance is concerned we are a leader though we are experiencing very good sales high margins low risks as far as the business customer is concerned we keep growing in the segments in which we are confident and competent as far as micro enterprises are concerned and where we are not able to finance the loans we have a leasing offer which is also growing in a very stable way Coming back to the resilience, the commission result is very good. It keeps growing.

There's also a growth in terms of income from investments, which is seen in the market in general after a certain period of stagnation.

And we are also more resilient technologically. Our systems have considerably improved compared to the previous periods. The mobile app is very stable. The accessibility of the service remains at a very high level. And the third pillar that we mentioned in this strategy is the operational excellence. What I want to stress in this regard is that we are changing in terms of technologies. We are becoming an advanced business. We're introducing a new app both on the retail and the business customer side. We are also developing the agile model AI coded and the whole organization, all the employees of our headquarters are now able to work in the agile system

which we have scaled up this year and we work in the system which brings concrete results.

A very strong cost discipline. After the BFG deduction, the 5% cost growth compared to the whole of the sector places us in a very good position. The costs are well managed by us in a foreseeable way, even in the quarter on quarter results. We don't have the volatility, the ups and downs that we used to have.

The risk and the figures that Marcin mentioned speak for themselves.

All the graphs, the results show a very good trajectory. There are very good results. We improved the risk situation. We want to get below the 5% ratio in the NPL, which would allow us to pay out a 75% dividend. We improved the K&F ratios. We are waiting for the individual decision regarding the dividend for 2025. But that will take some more time. And all this has brought us to the results that we have. The revenue above 6 billion zlotys, net profits 2.5 billion, very good. indexes of cost of income and cost of risk and NPL 5.6. That is all a very good result in the environment of low or definitely lower interest rates. They went down at a faster rate than we forecast. So, it means that our business strategy is working and I want to take this opportunity to thank all the employees for this excellent result and thank you for the dedication, for the effort and for working together to develop the Alio value which we have described to you. That is all as far as the formal side is concerned and I believe we can now move on to the Q&A session. Thank you very much. So, we can now start with questions. The first question, what was the impact of the NPL sale on the fourth quarter of 2025? In the fourth quarter, we recognized a sale of the second important portfolio that was sold in the previous year. In the fourth quarter, the income from that sale was 110 million zlotys.

Thank you.

The next question to Marcin. What sensitivity to interest rate changes can be expected after 2025? What is the current SOT ratio and the NII sensitivity to a rate cut by 100 points? Well, as you realize, when interest rates are going down, there is a greater pressure to manage that particular ratio. We assume in our plans that this particular ratio will be maintained at the regulatory level. at the end of the year we assume that it will be at the level of 4.5 percent and t1 and as regards the sensitivity which was mentioned in the question 100 bips should have an impact of 120 million slots

Thank you very much.

And the next question about the dynamics of the loan portfolio in 2026. What do you expect and is there a possibility of an increase in the business sector? Let me start with the retail customer. We expect a positive dynamic as concerns consumer loans.

The increase that we forecast not necessarily in the installment loans because there's a trend that we need to grapple with but as far as mortgage loans are concerned there'll be a definite increase and as far as the

corporate sector is concerned we have sold more year-on-year but we need to see what's happening within the corporate sector portfolio already mentioned that in the micro enterprises we have a considerable debt to be paid off in the small and medium-sized companies we are growing as far as the leasing sector is concerned there's a considerable growth of 16 year-on-year So in the corporate sector, yes, there will be growth. The growth in the sectors where we are a good player. We want to grow in the micro sector as well, but in a safe way so that we don't experience the kind of crisis that we have as regards risk and the debt that we keep having paying off still today.

The large deals that are more and more present in the Polish market.

We will certainly see our presence, but considering our scale, this is not our core activity. Thank you. The question about the free loan sanction. What trends can be expected in the SKD sector? Can we expect that the target reserve level will represent 100%? Well, I think Zdzisław would be able to comment on that. SKD is a problem of all the sectors, including us, of course. We recognize the dynamic and want to reflect it in our reserve structure. Will it be 100%? Well, I don't think that SKD goes the same way that the Swiss franc learns because the regulatory authorities have taken this seriously on board. And I believe that the new law which is being worked on in the Office of Consumer Protection will not translate into modus operandi for all kinds of cowboy companies, you know, legal firms which are really the real beneficiary for this solution. And as far as the reserves are concerned, we want to reflect them in our books.

Indeed, for the model, it is impacted by two factors, and that is the incoming clashes and the number of cases that will get lost. The majority of cases is where we are on the winning side. So if we look from that perspective, we don't see the need to create any further reserves or to increase the growth in 2026. Our point of assumption is much is going to be determined by the European Court of Justice. So we believe the trends we have spotted already are rather positive, and they have only gotten confirmed in the court of medications. more the sustaining trend in the currency portfolio. In 2025, we had a rather conservative stance, but we don't think, given the number of cases which are coming in and the recent trends, that we would have to create at the same level of reserve. It will be smaller. compared to 2025 in the current year. Another question on the value of NPL portfolio. How much of that are balanced positions and non-balanced positions? As said beforehand, this is one of major components as far as the whole management of NPL goes. I do not have at hand, however, So such details, we do not disclose this kind of data.

Another question.

The churn of all your bank customers, is it in any way different to the market average? And if so, what does that difference stem from? And how is the bank planning to manage, to cope with the churn? Our difference is by no means different to the market average.

Our customers, by and large, are not only loyal to one bank only.

Most of our customers, except for the youngest ones, have other accounts in other banks, so the churn stands where it does. It is by no means satisfactory to us. However, what I stressed was certain marketing campaigns that we launched in 2024. They have already been brought to a close, resulting in the outflux of customers. The activity, as I said, was already concluded. What we did in 2025 does not come with this particular risk. But the impact was eventually seen in 2024. Thank you. We will ask another question on the value of the mortgage currency portfolio towards the end of 2024 and 2025 respectively. What are the statistics of the portfolio? towards the end of 2024, we had 39 million gross value of Swiss franc. Later, a year after, it was only seven. The account statement towards 2024 was equivalent to 1.4 billion, whereas towards At the end of 2014, it was equivalent to €1.3 billion. Euro mortgages is about €1 billion. 3% thereof is within a certain legal action. To estimate the reserve the way we described in our financial statement, our assumption was that The target here for legal disputes as concerns the euro mortgages will be equivalent to 9%. Thank you very much for that.

Another question.

On the expected dynamics of the result of interest rate from commissions as well as operating costs in the current year. For the interest rate result, it is quite a challenge to face to make it stable at the level it used to be. We would need to employ a more holistic view on that. Our ambition is to shape the revenue stream in 2026 in a manner to enable us to have amounts that would be very much aligned with what we had in 2025. So we assume that the growth of the new business will be enough to compensate for the effect of cut interest rates.

So that's our stance.

This is our working strategy for 2026. For the costs, our ambition is to make them stay at where they were in 2035, well beyond the 5% level, including the AVG costs, and I assume that we'll manage to curb them below the 5% level. Thank you very much. Another question. After a 4 percentage point growth of credit in 2025, can we expect a 30% increase in the strategy perspective? An increase of strategy in 2026, is it going to surpass what we saw in 2025?

Possibly, this four percentage point increase does not give us a straightforward answer.

Nevertheless, this concerns the way we sell. The sales have increased without being too It is accounted for 20%, big A2, 17%.

What we grappled with was churn, essentially. It was pretty unique. So the portfolio could not stay on sales only.

Now, being mindful of the strategy for mortgage sales, well, they stand depending on a segment between 12 or 10, 15, 16 percent in some areas, especially the ones that we feel particularly confident. So we intend to grow. Are we going to achieve a 30% increase? Well, we are firm believers we will. Another question. To what degree the growth of mortgage portfolio is the result of the refinancing of credits and to what extent does it stem from new credits, new loans? Most of the sales are made up by new loans. yet the market trend is this the majority of increase of sales on the market in the whole banking sector is very much the outcome of refinancing in our case however it is mostly determined by the new loans as such another question what is the expected dynamics of the number of employees in 2026 after the drop of five percent in the course of 2025.

Well, we don't have these figures at hand. The employment we retain, well, it is managed on an everyday basis, and it largely depends on the solutions we adopt.

Obviously, with a view of automation, just our processes, taking advantage of the benefits of artificial intelligence. The odds are we might want to reduce the size of employment, which doesn't preclude new jobs from popping up somewhere else. So I want to give you any straightforward answer to that question, because we are here in a very dynamic environment. The question on the costs of wide investments that are focused for 2026. when compared to the level of 2025.

If I remember correctly, on a year-on-year basis, we've been stable, we have kept the leveling target.

However, the principle is we don't disclose this particular data.

But technology, by and large, is the last resort where we wouldn't want to invest. The bank badly wants improvements, in spite of the fact it's 17 years old.

Well, by just acquisitions, some systems, they'd bought it 10 years ago. The growth of technology, making it more sophisticated, is a priority to us. Savings may be allocated somewhere else, wherever we can, but we'll also invest. We have exhausted the list of questions. Thank you very much to the Board for the presentation, for your questions, and we'll see each other on the occasion of another quarterly meeting. Thank you.