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Autostore Hldgs Reg S
11/6/2025
Good morning and welcome to Autostore's third quarter 2025 presentation. My name is Iva Florskjell and I'm the investor relations officer at Autostore. Our CEO Mats Havlandvikse and our CFO Paul Harrison are standing ready to talk to you about this quarter and subsequently answer your questions. I'll be moderating today's session. As usual, we would like to remind you of our disclaimer with regards to forward-looking statements. It can be read here at your own convenience. Now, moving on to our agenda, Mats will begin with an overview of our operational performance and strategic progress, including some exciting insights into this fall's product announcement. Paul will then present the financial results in detail. will follow with a live Q&A session. And you can submit written questions via the webcast player or raise your hand in the Microsoft Teams to ask your questions directly. The link to the Teams meeting is available on our website and the invitation published about a week ago. After the Q&A, Mats will round off with some final remarks. And as a reminder, all financial figures are stated in US dollars. So with that, let's get started. Mats, over to you.
Thank you, Hiva, and good morning. When we met in August, we noted a more stable market environment compared to the peak uncertainty earlier this year. That stability was maintained into Q3, where the positive backlog conversion trend continued. And what we're experiencing here is a market that is still impacted by the global uncertainties, but where customers are making more progress with their plans. In this market, our strategy of becoming closer to customers is yielding results. More than half of revenues was generated from existing customers also this quarter. At the same time, we signed up around 50 new customers, further strengthening the land and expand opportunity. Europe continues to be a stronghold for us, representing more than 70% of revenues in the quarter, but we also see positive momentum in the US, which is expected to be an important growth market for us over time. Moving on to the financials, Q3 revenue was 139 million, up 4% sequentially, showing steady development from Q2, but still down 4% year over year. Order intake was 152 million, which is stable sequentially and up 6% year over year. Looking at profitability, gross margin was 73%, which is consistent with levels that we've seen over the past year, whilst our adjusted EBITDA margin came in at 47%, again in line with historical levels. And Paul will provide more details on the financials later. But now let me touch on some exciting key developments in the business this quarter. we had our fall product announcement where we announced seven new products and features designed to improve our overall value proposition, make deployments of the systems easier, and expanding on our capabilities. And these were all built in close collaboration with customers to solve real operational challenges and open up new use cases. And I'll come back to the highlights in a moment. Also, building on our successful experience with our grocery customer Rolik, we have signed VLOC as a partner. V-Log, which is part of the Rolik Group, is a new AI-driven global solutions provider for grocery. Together, we're able to offer an end-to-end solution for the grocery market, which is one of many end markets where we have an attractive value proposition. This familiar slide illustrates the strong foundations of our business and why we're uniquely positioned to lead. It highlights our value proposition, our competitive strengths, and financial profile. To date, we've delivered around 1,850 systems with 82,500 robots across 63 countries, serving 1,250 unique customers. Within cubic storage, no other player has an install base of this scale. It's a clear advantage that just reinforces the strength of our solution and provides us with a substantial platform for our land and expand strategy. And this is a site that you're also familiar with. And here are the names of a small selection of our over 1,250 customers. And as you can see, we have a broad customer portfolio across a diverse set of end markets. Around half of our revenues come from existing customers, and this growing customer base represents a massive opportunity. It's also worth noting that Europe remains our largest region, representing over two thirds of our business. And over the past few quarters, B2B segments like industrials and healthcare have remained resilient. We've also seen strength in 3PL, and leading indicators are improving across e-commerce and retail. And now in October, we had our fall product announcement, introducing seven new products and features. These products have been very well received by our customers, and there's particularly two of the products that I would like to call out. First is AutoCase, which unlocks the combination of case and piece handling in one automated flow. This opens up a new market and new use cases that we couldn't previously offer to our customers. The second is FlexBins, and this enables mixed bin sizes within a single grid, which then increases storage density and offer more flexibility to our customers. And this customer-led innovation shows good progress on our overall product strategy. We continue to improve on our core, which is further strengthening our leading position. And we're also expanding our capabilities and solving for new use cases, which then expands our overall market opportunity. And I always like to end with a customer story. And this time, it's an existing customer who started with a high throughput system a few years ago. Since then, Alsace added several extensions, and recently, they just expanded their site again. Next year, they will install their second site, which is a great example of our land and expense strategy and how repeat purchases typically follow once the value is proven. So before Paul takes us through the financials of this quarter, please have a look at this.
ALSA was established in 1994. We are the largest online retail in Czech Republic and Slovakia. What makes us unique is the market-leading service where you can order by midnight and you will get it next day morning. Behind me you can see the AutoStore system which contains 300,000 bins and 580 robots operating right now. a combination of speed, accuracy, and density. In the autostore, there is sometimes more than 150,000 unique SKUs. There is Cartoon Erectors and Cartoon Closers, about five kilometers of conveyors, robotic sorting system, interlock sorting system.
We have our daily capacity around 120,000, 130,000 orders per day. And during the peak season, it could be doubled. There is increasing of the pick rate by 75% after autostore installation start operate.
The autostore system allowed us to reduce the complexity of the processes and also we were able to deliver the goods to our customers faster.
While speed is the central to the idea of high throughput, it is also one of the most challenging things to sustain. And that's where AutoStore truly excels. AutoStore is a highly relevant technology for e-commerce because it addresses the industry's biggest challenge, which is handling a large volume of orders both quickly and accurately. Customers today expect fast delivery and reliability. So you need to be able to trust your inventory and your operations in order to comply with the customer's wishes and deliver on your proxies.
In terms of numbers, we are speaking about increasing the performance by four times almost.
The second site is under construction in Slovakia and it's going to contain 400,000 bins and 650 R5 Pro robots. Autostore together with Element Logic Services has brought real competitive advantage to ALSA.
Thank you, Mats, and good morning. It's great to see a practical example of the land and expand strategy. Okay, let's move to the financial highlights on the next slide. As Mats mentioned earlier, this quarter reflects steady progress. This slide gives a snapshot of our Q3 financials. Revenue came in at 139 million. Gross margin was strong at 73%, and our adjusted EBITDA margin was 47%. Order intake reached 152 million, bringing our backlog to 543 million. And on the next slides, I'll go into more details on these key financials. So as I just mentioned, order intake totaled 152 million this quarter. There was no material FX impact on sequential growth this quarter. However, compared to prior year, constant currency order intake was down 6%. Approximately 55% of orders came from existing customers, and as Mats mentioned, we added around 50 new customers during the quarter. We closed the quarter with a backlog of 543 million, which is up 3% sequentially. Sequentially, revenue grew 4% to 139 million in quarter three. Europe continued to be strong, particularly in the standard segment, but growth in this quarter was primarily driven by North America. I would add that there were no new order store as a service deals signed this quarter, but that interest remains strong. And we continue to see order store as a service as an important way to access projects and customers that might otherwise be out of reach. Okay, let's move on to margins. Our gross margin held steady at 73%, which compared to 74% in the same period last year. Sequentially, margins improved, though it's worth remembering that Q2 included the B1 robot right down. As Mats mentioned earlier, this quarter's margin is in line with the average level for the year. Further down the P&L, our adjusted EBITDA margin was stable at 47%, reflecting continued organizational discipline. Finally, if I move on to cash flow and net debt, we delivered strong operating cash flow of 73 million, which is a reflection of the highly cash generative business model and also favourable working capital timing this particular quarter. Total liquidity ended at 498 million, which includes 348 million of cash and 150 million of available headroom under our revolving credit facility. Our refinancing has been completed this current quarter following a successful syndication process. Going forward, this will enable more agile and efficient treasury management with surplus cash be more readily applied to debt repayment without any loss of financial capacity. So with that, I'll now pass back to Hever, who's going to open up for the Q&A.
Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Mats. Let's do it as we usually do it. Open up for questions from our participants on Teams. So please go ahead. Let's see if I can get it right. There we go. I believe, Eirik, you are first up.
If you could please go ahead and unmute yourself. Can you please try to unmute yourself again, Eirik?
Eirik, maybe you can try to unmute yourself. If not, we can continue with the next one and you can ask your question later on. Olav, can you try to unmute yourself?
Yes, good morning. Can you hear me?
Yes, fantastic.
Good morning. Thank you. Good morning. So first one for me, I mean, the backlog conversion is still below historical levels, even though you've had some internal focus on improving this. I just want to hear your thoughts on what's holding it back, how much of the gap would you attribute to internal factors, how much is the market, and what you see must be needed for this backlog conversion to normalize going forward.
As we've talked about for a long while, we have seen a lengthened conversion cycle in our backlog. It's very encouraging to see that it has improved off late, which is a result of customers moving more ahead with their plans. Internally, our capacity remains very strong, so we can deliver quickly as customers want to turn quickly and get these systems up and running. So it has been market driven for a while, but we're seeing positive conversion trends.
All right, thanks. And then just last one for me, just to clarify here, is there any revenue in today's figures coming from the asset service projects?
No, so neither of the asset service projects that we announced in Q1 and Q2 have gone live yet. So no revenue recognized in respect of all the stores of service in this period.
All right, thanks.
Thank you. Thank you, Olav. Moving on. Let's try again, Eirik.
Can you try to mute yourself?
No, then I think we'll try with Tore. Tore, can you please go ahead and unmute yourself?
Yes, good morning. Hi, Hiva. Hi, Paul. Hi, Mats. Thank you for taking my question. Just two, if I may. First one would be, we hear quite some positive commentary from whereas automation players, for example, Kion or some of the US players. How do I bridge the gap to you still declining organically? And when would you see this turning around? Thank you.
As we've mentioned, we have seen a more stable market environment now compared to first quarter. And we're kind of happy with that conversion, positive conversion trend that we've seen. Order intake has been strong now for a couple of quarters and we're seeing positivity and leading indicators. However, this is still a market that is impacted by those global uncertainties, and that's the world that we live in.
Okay. Thank you. Understood. And then the second one would be, could you just speak a little bit more about the different customer groups? We now heard some positive trends coming, for example, from 3PL players. How does this affect you as of now? Thank you.
Yes, so B2B segments like industrial, healthcare, etc. has stayed resilient and been quite stable for us across the leading indicators of the seen e-commerce retail or more consumer oriented segments starting to see growth which is positive and 3pls for us has continued to be quite strong for us that's a very attractive segment particularly also with the as a service model because both technically and commercially we can offer a system that offers one flexibility but also to a standard set of technology that works for such a broad types of customers and and markets so for us 3pl's has been strong and our conversations with the 3pl players is remains very positive thank you thank you torah moving on to geolio could you please go ahead and unmute yourself
Yeah, hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question. You mentioned in the release that the volume and quality of proposals and dialogues remain constructive. So could you give us a sense of what that looks like in practice and what you're hearing from customers regarding their spending plans? Thank you.
Yes, so as we've talked about already, there is some positive trends across some very, very attractive end markets. Europe continues to be strong, but we're also seeing growth momentum in the US. As we look further up the funnel, we see that the pipeline intake, i.e. new customers coming to us showing interest, and the amount of pitches that is made across our network, i.e. the amount of offers that is being issued across those different markets sees a positive trend.
Thank you. Tim, if you could please go ahead and unmute yourself.
Hi, can you hear me?
Yes, we can. Good morning.
Michael, yeah, good morning. So thanks for taking my questions. So I'm free if I can. So the first one is about the market developments. As you mentioned, there has been some positive developments in some of the end markets. Can you also elaborate a bit more about how's the sequential development in terms of, let's say, customer activities or all day into the fourth quarter, any trends that we can highlight when we go into the last quarter of the year? And related to that, I think last year you gave a full year guidance in terms of the revenue in the last quarter. I mean, in the third quarter call last year for the full year guidance. So this time it seems like you're not giving like a full year guidance. So is there any reason for that? That's the first question.
Okay, I'll pick up on the guidance question, Tim. We haven't given guidance for quite some time, not least because as Matt has mentioned, we still see elevated levels of market uncertainty. It's something we keep under review, but hopefully in the KPIs and numbers we give, we do give plenty of sort of indicators that go to forward performance. But no, we don't give guidance with no plans to do so for the time being, but we'll keep it under review.
And then for the first part of your question, we're still early in the quarter, but as we mentioned, we're observing and experiencing more stable market conditions now than what we did earlier in the year.
Understood. And my second question, probably both going to Paul. So, industrial working capital, you also mentioned there has been some positive timing effects in the quarter. So, how should we think about the development of working capital going forward?
Look, there's two elements to this, Tim. I think, first of all, it's good to see inventories fall from 94 million to 90 million from quarter two to quarter three. So strong inventory control that we've seen this quarter. And then really on the working capital, it's the receivables that is making the biggest contribution.
and really that's mainly timing um our standard terms are 30 30 or 60 days depending on where the customer is nothing's changed there we've just got a favorable timing impact this quarter and good to see it of course understood and final one uh i see there was a small impairment amount of 0.5 million um in the quarter uh not really big amount but just want to know about the nature of this uh is this also related to the B1 robots that you made the adjustment last quarter?
No, there are no further impairments to the B1 robot. And then actually, when you look at the adjusting items, Tim, there is next to nothing in the way of adjusting items in driving from EBITDA to adjusted EBITDA. It's just a small amount for stock comp. So really nothing of any significance to report this quarter.
Right. Got it. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Tim. Now let's try again, Eirik. Lucky number three. Can you please try to unmute yourself?
Yes. Hi, guys. Sorry. I had some technical issues the first time around. Three questions from me. I'll take them one at a time. And if we can start with the new products, I think that the AutoCase looks really exciting in terms of opening up a new part of the total addressable markets, just for our understanding. it's doable to retrofit this on existing installations, right? And kind of how complex is that process?
Yes, you're absolutely right. It is possible to retrofit into existing installations, and it's also not a very complicated piece of effort. You can either add a small piece of grid and insert the machine into that, or you can retrofit into existing.
Okay, perfect. Thanks. And also, I assume the answer is no, but will the new products launched have any kind of meaningful impact on gross margins? And if so, kind of which direction? And lastly, when do you expect these innovations to kind of contribute meaningfully to order intake and or revenue?
You're correct. It will not have a meaningful impact on gross margin. And initially what we've seen is that this is creating real customer demand already from the get-go. One is that we're able to play in a piece of the market or types of projects that we haven't been able to in the past because we're able to offer case handling and this real omni-channel fulfillment capability. And also we see that customers are liking a lot of the smaller features that we announced as well, which typically will be part of every deployment that we do. For instance, how it's easier with floor remediation and easier to deploy the systems.
That's great, Kalleur. Thanks. And my final question is around the VELOC partnership agreement and kind of multiple sub questions there. I'm thinking about, you know, factors such as how far they've come in terms of adding external customers, if you guys will be the sole ASRS provider, you know, how actively are you working in collaboration with them when you approach potential projects. And then, of course, lastly, if it's natural for Veloc to kind of take over what seems to be a partnership link between Rolik and Amazon in Germany.
So look, we're excited about the partnership with VLOC because the combination of what we can offer and the AI-driven software and solutions that they've built on top provides that part of the market with a real end-to-end capability. And as we've talked about before, grocery is in its early days of both e-com adoption, but also building out the necessary infrastructure to truly support that. in a profitable and a way and in a way that meets consumer demand but it's still early days in the partnership we are the sole provider of asrs in that partnership and excited to see what opportunities that will unlock over time okay perfect thanks guys thank you iraq martin your next step could you please go ahead and unmute yourself
Thank you. Good morning. It's Martin from Citi. Just a couple of questions. The first one was just on tariffs. I think previously you said that obviously it's your customer that pays them rather than you. But obviously there has been some change with Section 232 over the last few months. Has that changed anything in terms of order profiles or demand profiles from North America? Or is it so far not really impacting the business at all? Thank you.
So as you've seen from the numbers and also our commentary, we are seeing some positive momentum in the US. And what's been important is that we can provide a level of predictability to our customers in terms of what tariffs will be. I think the way we are, where we are in this market now is that there is, of course, an expectation of tariff. We found a good way of operating that together with ourselves, our partners and the end customers and able to provide that needed predictability, as I talked about.
Thanks, that's helpful. And if I could just have a second question. We're hearing a lot about robotics and automation companies generally adopting AI at the edge to really optimize whether it's vision and quality, whether it's routing and picking and these kind of things. Could you perhaps give us some indications to what extent you can build that into your offering, whether it's to make the robots more efficient in routing or elsewhere? Is that an incremental driver to see even more efficiency as we adopt software into how the system is used?
Definitely, and it is a key priority with ourselves as well. And if you look at the product strategy that we've talked about before, building that software platform that goes across all of our solutions, utilizing the opportunity that this vast data set that we have offers is something that we are focused on. So we will continue to announce new set of products and new features on a bi-annual basis also going forward. And of course, building that software platform, leveraging AI to drive up performance and offer new sets of capabilities is a key aspect of that.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Martin.
Håkon, Your next step, if you could please go ahead and unmute yourself. Thank you.
Yeah. Håkon Fuglund, SAB here. Thank you for taking my question. I was just wondering if you could elaborate a bit more on this sort of underlying soft numbers that we're seeing in EMEA right now.
Well, I think first of all, Amir, as I said in the presentation, remains really the bedrock of our business. It's in particular in what we call the standard segment. Our business, as we said before, will remain somewhat lumpy quarter on quarter. This quarter, Europe is stable, still over 70% of the business. And the US, as Matt has noted, is actually what's leading growth. But I wouldn't
advise you to read too much into one particular quarter our mere business remains extremely strong thank you and i have another one as well if you sort of look into your backlog and what will sort of lead sales in use dollars into 2026 what sort of verticals are you seeing going to be contributing most to that growth in 26.
So as we talked about, B2B segments remain stable and strong, but we're seeing positive signals on leading indicators across retail and call it consumer-oriented, e-commerce-driven end markets as well. 3PLs remain strong.
Thank you. That's it for me.
Thank you. Thank you, Håkon. Tintin, I think you're next up. Good morning. Morning. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can. Morning, guys. A couple of questions from me. In the US, could you talk about maybe high throughput versus standard in terms of the performance you've seen? And then secondly, just a general question about competition. and other types of light ASRS solutions. In this period, you know, obviously the challenging period and the broadly more stable environment that you're seeing, is there any palpable change in terms of investor appetite, in terms of robotic cube versus other types of solutions? And if you feel that your proposition has gotten stronger or weaker in this kind of period?
Absolutely.
So if I'll start with the first one, what we've seen over a long period of time is that the average size of the systems are larger in US than what they're in Europe. And that trend we continue to see and we expect to see going forward as well. So on average, more presence of high throughput than standard in US versus, for instance, Europe. On your second question, we haven't seen any meaningful change. Our win rates remains very, very high, and we feel strongly about our leading position today, but also very excited about this product roadmap and product strategy that we're executing again so that we continue to strengthen that leadership.
Can I be greedy and just chuck in one more finally? In terms of the new products, just trying to put it in terms of kind of relative opportunity versus the core systems in my head, you know, sort of kind of obviously new products introduced in October. Obviously, there was a whole bunch of new products that were also introduced around April. How should we think about it relative to the value of a system in terms of kind of what the potential uplift is from these new products?
So our product strategy remains or consists of several elements. One is that we continue to strengthen our core, i.e. we make sure that the cube continues to improve so that we can maintain that leadership position that we have. Secondly, we're also working on expanding the capabilities of that cube so that we can sell that into new types of situations like we can with case now, which opens up a new market for us. So even though the typical deal size remains the same, we're able to sell that into new sets of markets. Thirdly, we're also looking at adjacencies, either through partnerships, organic developments or even acquisitions, if the right opportunities should come across, which again broadens our addressable market. The Carousell AI product is a good example of that. And then lastly, the software platform that unifies all of this and takes advantage of things such as AI, as we just talked about. So in total, it's a combination of making our product more competitive, being used in new sets of markets, and also expanding into new markets.
If I could add just one thought. The other aspect to the releases that you saw on Matt's slide is there's a couple of quite critical enablers that really apply to any deployments. I think the floor leveling and more refined sort of fire retardant protection. apply to all customers. So some of them really are enables that cut across all deployments as well, Tintin.
Great. Thanks, guys.
Thank you, Tintin. I actually believe that that rounds off the Teams Q&As. I'll move on to questions that we've received on the webcast player. So one is from Atle. Could you comment on the demand specifically from public and government clients in general? is this a customer group that is late in the adoption process for automation there are three questions so I'll read one by one yes do you want to go one by one sure so public and government sector so it has been a segment where we've sold into different types of segments sub segments we've done
libraries, we're doing defense sector, we've even done the archiving system for FBI in the US, so this is a sector that we also work in. Overall, on aggregate basis, I will say that government, public customers are probably lower on the adoption curve than the market in general.
Thank you. And the second question from Atle is, could you comment on the demand from the defense sector?
So we have continued to do business in the defense sector, both in Europe and the US, and we've also done some in APAC.
And the third is online shopping has grown over the years. There is potential that the use of AI agents will greatly improve the shopping experience for customers. In turn, this may lead to a step change in growth in online shopping and online share of total retail sale. Such a backdrop could be very beneficial for demand for auto store system. Do you agree? And if so, are you seeing such a trend already?
Yes, I do. Look, as e-commerce volumes grow, the fulfillment challenge becomes even bigger and you need automation to handle that volume and handle that volume in a way that you meet the consumer expectations around speed, precision, etc. so what we've seen historically is that as e-commerce volume and that the share of retail handle over that e-commerce channel increase the demand for automation follows and that's one of those long-term growth drivers for this market and as we talked about we have seen some positive trends in our leading indicators but it's it's still early
Thank you, Mats. I do have some more written questions. I have a few from Martina from Nordea. You increased your order backlog conversion. How do you expect this trend to continue into Q4 in 2026? That's one. The second is, can you say anything about the regional split in order intake and amount of larger versus smaller orders? Third, strong gross margin adjusting for write-down. Should we expect more write-downs going forward? That's the third. And how is the dialogue with customers in the US now? And I believe we've touched upon the third one. Grocery market is the fifth. How do you see the development and the competitive situation?
Right, there's a few there. I'll kick off, Martina. I think, look, backlog conversion, Matt said it earlier. We're pleased to see the improved backlog conversion. We're not today, as I've said already, providing forward guidance either into Q4 or next year. But it is clearly good to see that improved backlog conversion. It's good to see customers returning to considering projects. And it's good to observe. We shouldn't forget the still highly under-penetrated market that we address. So stepping back, the backdrop remains very good for growth code into the future, but no specific comments on Q4 or indeed 2026 yet. I think the regional split of orders is not materially different from the revenue split of orders. It reflects the sort of pattern of our business. No particular comments there. Gross margin, no, I did not expect, as I stand here, more write-downs. The B1 matter was discrete and contained, as you've seen in our numbers to Q2.
I think the last one was around grocery market. The grocery e-commerce market and related automation infrastructure is still in the early innings of growth. For us, we feel very strongly about our competitive position. Our value proposition in grocery is very strong, as it is in also many, many other end markets.
Thank you. Just a couple of more. So we have one now. In discussions with potential clients, are you seeing an effect of wage levels increasing across North America and the EU? This surely helps the ROI calculation on a relative basis.
Yes, labor cost and also labor availability is key components into the business case for our customers. And we see that business case continues to be very, very strong. And we're seeing our customers achieve paybacks of as little as one to three years as they make these investments.
And the final one is, can you comment anything on the ongoing discussions or signs of renewed interest from Amazon?
As we have confirmed before, we have a good relationship, but we can't really comment on individual customer relationships.
Thank you Mats. I think that actually concludes the written questions. We have answered all. So with that, we have no more questions and I'll pass the word back to you Mats.
Thank you. So let me summarize what we have presented to you today and also remind you of some key points. First, we operate in a large under-penetrated market fueled by long-term megatrends. The growth opportunity is intact and we have a winning proven solution. During 2025, we have responded forcefully to the current market conditions by taking decisive actions, securing high profitability and strengthening our competitive position. I'm confident that we're in a stronger position now than one year ago with regard to our foundation for long-term growth and resilience. We have multiple ways to win and a scalable solution that works across industries, system types and geographies, all delivered through a very efficient go to market model. And as you've heard me say many times before, we are not standing still. Innovation is embedded in autosource DNA, and we continue to push the boundaries of what is possible. Today, we gave you some insights into our latest innovations, which are solving concrete problems and immediately creating value for our customers. And we will continue our biannual announcement cycle, continue to move forward. Taken all together, these elements give us the confidence in our direction and ability to create long-term value. So I would like to thank you for dialing in today and look forward to speaking to you again soon.