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Greetings and welcome to the Bolsa Mexicana de Valores, SAB, DCV, third quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Ramon Glamis, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to Bolsa Mexicana de Valores third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Before proceeding, I'd like to provide a brief safe harbor statement. This presentation contains forward-looking statements and information related to Bolsa that are based on the analysis and expectations of its management. as well as assumptions made and information currently available at POLSA. Such statements reflect the current views of POLSA related to future events and are subject to risk, uncertainties, and assumptions. Many factors could cause the current results, performance, or achievements of POLSA to be somewhat different from any future results, performance, or achievements that may be expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. including, among others, changes in general economic, political, governmental, and business conditions, both in a global scale and in the individual countries in which Paulsa does business, such as changes in monetary policies, in inflation rates, in prices, in business strategy, and various other factors. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary considerably from those described herein as anticipated, believed, estimated, expected, or targeted. Polsa does not intend and does not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. This call is intended for the financial community only, and the floor will be open at the end to address any questions you may have. Joining us for today's call are Jorge Alegria, Chief Executive Officer, Roberto Gonzalez, Chief Post-Trade Officer, Gabriel Rodriguez, CIFICAP CEO, Alfredo Villen, Managing Director, Equity Markets, Jose Miguel de Dios, Managing Director, Derivatives Markets, Luis Rene Ramon, Managing Director, Business Development, Kana Rivas, FP&A and IR Director, and myself, Ramon Guemes. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Jorge Alegria, our CEO.

Yep. Hello.

Hope you can hear me okay. Thank you, Ramon, and good morning, everyone. I hope you are all doing well today. We released our earnings results yesterday evening, providing a comprehensive detail on the third quarter of 2025 results. Copies of our press release and slide deck are available at dmv.com.mx on the investor relations. During today's call, I will first review our ongoing initiatives and then briefly comment on our financial results. Then we will conclude with a Q&A session where we will gladly take your questions via the conference call line. Let us begin with a brief overview of the quarter's most relevant developments, starting with equity market activity. Two new IPOs have now been confirmed in our pipeline. So AeroMexico is coming back to the market, and Essentia Energy, the Essentia Energy Systems is debuting both have announced plans to lease on BNB before year-end. And additionally, two more equity transactions are under consideration, one potential IPO and one follow-on offering, both currently still confidential. These transactions reflect renewed interest from the market participants following a period of limited activity. Our bond CCP, following a special regulatory audit, the CCP has been approved to operate as a central counterparty for Mexican government bonds. Participants are now finalizing preparations, and the first clear of ME bond trade is expected by mid-November. This CCP launch marks a major transformation for the fixed income market in Mexico. It will enable multilateral clearing between banks and brokers, reducing counterparty risk, and limiting contagion. This structure also improves liquidity efficiency by netting positions across all participants, lowering then the overall cost requirements. And additionally, it supports debt transition from voice-based to electronic trading. As for the CCP service for repos, we are currently working on its design, targeting a launch by year-end 2026. Given the large size of the repo market, This service is expected to be an important source of revenues for the CCP in the future. Turning to the equity fee schedule, you may recall that in late 2024, our competitor reduced and temporarily impacting our market share. In response, and to maintain our competitive position, we submitted a fee adjustment proposal to the Mexican authorities. Our market share remains stable. We are within the 78, 80% range, reflecting the resilience of our service model and the strength of our client relationships. Our revised equity trading fee is now approved, though we have not decided on implementation date for it. In the meantime, we remain focused on market stability, operational efficiency, and delivering value to market participants. In the derivative market segment, the S&P IPC index future was listed on CME, Chicago Mercantile Exchange, last August, making it now available on both Mexican Derivatives Exchange, MEXDER, and CME. This dual lifting expands access for local and international investors. Targeted marketing and commercial efforts have positioned it as a key instrument for Mexican equity exposure. Trading activity on CME is often mirrored, as we can see every day, is often mirrored on , primarily through arbitral strategies. We continue advancing on our technological evolution with a strategic agreement recently signed with NASDAQ to also migrate next-gen platforms. With this, we plan to launch a fully integrated 2026. And then in 2027, we plan to go live with cloud-based platform for CCPs and for the CSD in the value. By modernizing its infrastructure and embracing scalable cloud-native solutions, BFB Group is strengthening its capacity to service the local market, attract international participants, boost transaction volumes, and unlock new revenues, particularly through data monetization, but also global connectivity. This transformation also reinforces our organization's commitment to innovation, operational resilience, and robust security. Earlier this year, we launched our data intelligence unit to lead across functional data strategy all across the organization and headed by top tier professionals. The initial phase is now underway, focusing on mapping the data landscape across all business lines. Next steps include designing central architecture, cleansing the data, and migrating to a modernized environment. While results may take some time, the strategy will begin to show its potential in the medium term, especially as it aligns with our technology evolution project. As platforms are modernized, they will incorporate data-driven capabilities, such as real-time analytics and custom reporting. As part of our commercial and marketing efforts and strategy, our new unified structure enables a more efficient and client-focused approach. This quarter, we tripled our targeted campaigns and client outreach compared to the previous quarter. Our communication strategy now delivers more tailored messaging to specific audiences, including financial but also retail clients. Client meetings are focused on two key goals, promoting adoption of the bond CCP and repositioning the S&P IPC index. We also successfully executed a media tour in New York early September to Mexico's international investors.

Our central US and that dynamic energy market. Excuse me. Jorge. I think we're losing you.

We also successfully executed a media tour in New York in early September to evaluate Mexico's global profile among international investors. Our central message remains clear. Mexico is a highly attractive investment destination, offering stability, proximity to the U.S., and a dynamic emerging market. Additionally, our digital presence has grown significantly. helping to promote our products and expand financial education and awareness. Finally, on our ESG agenda, we are proud to have been recognized by HSBC as governance leaders, receiving an award that highlights top ESG strategies in the country. Being named a leading company in sustainable innovation reinforces our belief that sustainability strengthens our business. Let me now move on to our key financial highlights in the following slides. Please keep in mind that all figures are expressed in Mexican pesos. During Q3 of 2025, total revenues reached 1.1 billion, representing a 4% increase in year over year, mainly driven by post-trade segment, particularly securities custody, along with steady growth in information services and listing activities. EBITDA totaled 623 million, up 2% year over year, while EBITDA margin stood at 57%, showing a resilient and efficient business with robust cash generation from operations. Net income amounted to 393 million, a 4% decline, impacted by recent interest rate cuts by Banxico, which led to lower financial income. On a year-to-date basis, revenues in EBITDA showed double-digit growth, reflected consistent growth across business lines. EBITDA margins stood at a solid 57%. Net income reached 1.2 billion, up 5%. The increase in expenses reflects our strategy, which we will elaborate on later. Please turn to the next slide. In the third quarter of 2025, more than 75% of total revenues came from post-trading formation services, equity, and capital formation activities, reaching $826 million, showing a solid performance. For the nine months ended in September 2025, the reference segments also contributed with most revenues, reaching $2.4 billion, reaffirming the company's stable core business foundation. Please turn to slide seven to go over equity trading and clearing. In Q3-25, cash equity trading activity remained at similar levels to Q3-24, despite a 4% decrease in local operations. Global activity continues showing dynamism as evidenced by an increase of 7%. Regarding market share, BNB's level covers between 28% and 80%. 78% and 80%. On the clearing business, revenue was up by 8%. while total ADTV for the market remained flat quarter over quarter. Revenues from the equity segment increased 6% on a year-to-date basis, but remained unchanged in the third quarter compared to the previous one. Let us go on to the next slide to review derivatives. Revenues from derivative segment increased in both Q3 and on a year-to-date basis, despite a 10% decline in the signals revenues. showing more dynamism in futures trading. The average daily notional value of dollar futures increased by 70%, while upper interest doubled in amount compared to 2024 figures. Regarding margin deposits in ASCINA, the year-to-date average balance in 2025 decreased by 7%, reaching $42 billion, which continues to represent a relevant figure. On slide 9, OTC trading results are shown. CFI capital TG trading revenues decreased 6% in Q3 25. Both Mexico and Chile experienced lower market activity, along with an appreciation of their currencies. Mexico revenue grew by 3% and Chile decreased by 10%, which contributes with 80% of the total revenues. In Mexico, M bond trading fell slightly with lower rates. On slide 10, we have figures for capital formation. Capital formation revenue increased by 6%, mainly explained by an 80% contribution of maintenance revenues. Listing revenues grew 38%, driven by debt listings. Total outstanding long-term listings increased 5% year-over-year, reaching 531 as of September 2025. Moving on to the central securities deposit on slide 11. In-demand revenue grew 8%, driven by an increase in assets under custody in both domestic and global markets, and more dynamic global market activity. In Q3, total assets under custody reached $44 trillion, a 12% increase, reflecting the contribution of the service, which accounts for nearly 50% of total revenue. The exchange rate effect reduced results by $7 million, reflecting peso appreciation. Finally, on slide 12, information services. Information services revenue increased by 10%. Market data grew 10% when compared with Q3 24 and contributed 68% of total revenue. Quarterly revenues increased 11%, explained by new clients and offering new personalized services and APIs. The exchange rate effect reduced results by 7 million. reflecting personal appreciation. Now let's look at our operating expenses on slide 13 and 14. Operating expenses for Q3-25 totaled $543 million, reflecting an 8% increase. This was mainly driven by costs related to marketing and promotion, technology depreciation, and personnel, which together account for slightly more than 80% of the core tourist expenses. in line with our strategy to continue investing in new business units and technology resilience. Year-to-date expenses reflect similar growth trends in percentage terms. In Q3 2025, expenses were impacted by 3 million due to FX appreciation. On a cumulative basis, the effect was more significant, with a positive impact of slightly over 27 million. Total capex for Q3 reached 89 million, while year-to-date capex is totaling 189 million, in line with our strategy. Our plan to expand our buyback program earlier this year has not been executed as planned due to market conditions. We became active again in early October, and we are ready to remain active through year-end. Our strategy remains centered on returning capital to shareholders over holding excess cash. With this, I conclude my presentation. Thank you for connecting today and listening to our remarks. We would like to remind participants that today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available tomorrow at Bolsa's corporate website, www.bmv.com.mx. And we're now ready to take any questions you may have.

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from the line of Ernesto Gabalando with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Hi, good morning, Jorge, Ramon, Hanna, and good morning to all your team. I have three questions from my side. The first one, we know that this quarter OPEX growth, OPEX revenue growth, we have seen some investors raising some eyebrows on when the timing will be to start seeing new initiatives reflecting in revenues. So when do you expect revenue should be able to outtake OPEX growth? For my second question, we have seen the weakness of the dollar and the potential strengthen of the peso in reaching a USMCA agreement. On the other hand, there are expectations for the interest rates to continue to go down. Some analysts are expected to be at 6% by the end of next year. So have management evaluated the possibility to implement some hedges to FX or to rate considering the expectations for the dollar and for rates? And for my last question is if you can give us any update on the discussions for the secondary regulation for hedge funds or multi-funds. Thank you.

Thank you, Ernesto.

I guess for the first question on OPEX growth versus revenue growth, Ramon, I don't know if you want to add some remarks. What I can tell you is that this is on as planned and presented at the beginning of the year regarding the investments we are making especially in technology, data, security, upgrading our technology. Ramon, can you elaborate on that?

Yes. Good morning, Ernesto. Our strategy, which we commented on, was to invest in new products and new departments, especially data and technology. When we're expecting the new revenues from additional services, will be when we have the new CCP for bonds and as the data products begin to mature. So we had spoken earlier that we could see we were expecting or were willing to take a drop in EBITDA margins. It hasn't happened because revenues were better than we had expected, especially during the first half of the year. But we would expect to see revenues begin happening in 2027. For next year, we're still expecting to see more investment than revenue growth.

Regarding your second, the peso, Ernesto, we definitely, we are aware of the weakness of the U.S. dollar, the strength of the peso, the interest rates coming down, so we would like to analyze some hedging alternatives how to manage the Treasury as well on this environment. I don't know, Ramon, if you can elaborate on that, but definitely we should consider something because this is not a temporary thing as it looks.

Well, yeah, just to reinforce Jorge's comments, it's something that we've talked about. The audit committee has raised the question, what would be the best our best strategy going forward. As you know, we have somewhat of a long position. We also have certain exposure from Chile, which affects us.

So it's something that we are considering. Excellent. Thank you very much.

And for the last question on the update for the circular regulation.

Yeah, on the hedge funds. Let me tell you what I know Jose Manuel can also add on it. But the, as you know, the chairman of the Securities Commission has recently changed. The new chairman is quite familiar with these rules. What he asked us was for a couple of months to take over all the initiatives that he was pushing from his previous post on the Treasury. But I think there are very good news for the industry in general to have the new chairman of the commission that was involved not only on the writing and pushing in Congress, et cetera, the initiatives, the two main initiatives we have seen in the last three or four years, which were the simplified listings and also the pension funds. What I know is that these discussions are moving forward, and some important news were recently published regarding securities lending by flexibilizing and making the tax treatment for securities lending clearer in order to facilitate securities lending, and that will be a key element for the growth of the local hedge fund industry. That's what I can tell you.

Excellent.

Now, thank you. Thank you very much, Jorge and Ramon. Thank you, Ernesto.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Flores with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, Tim. Good morning. I have two questions. The first one is on margins. I wanted to ask you, you obviously are investing, as you just mentioned, and you also mentioned and some changes in market share. So, just wanted to get your view on which one is dominating the compression in margins, just to understand if you think this is a structural trend or do you think, as you mentioned, that they should recover in 2027? Do you mean recovering vis-a-vis the current levels or more depressed levels? Do they stay stable or they come back to the levels we saw, for example, in 2024? And then my second question, You mentioned your plans on the program. You said you were going to remain active to year end. And you quoted market conditions. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Do you mean the share price or to make is not making a lot of sense right now? Do you mean it's too volatile to do a decision? Just wanted to see if you could elaborate a bit on what are you seeing in these market conditions quote. Thank you.

Thank you, Brian. First of all, when we speak about margins, we're talking about EBITDA margins. As I said, they could come down for next year, and for 2027, we would expect them to go back up to these levels, to the 57 levels. Depending on market conditions, hopefully still higher. And market share, we expect it to remain around these levels. We don't see, we don't expect much movement there. Regarding the buyback program, what I said was we are ready to be active. We operate depending on the stock price. The stock price during the first six months of the year or seven months was higher than what we had expected. And so we operated less than we had originally thought. At current levels, we will be active again. And by that mean, but it's dependent on the stock price. I don't know if that's clear.

Yes, it's very clear.

Thank you. And as I said, our strategy is to return capital. We don't mean to hold more cash than we actually need.

No, perfect. That is very useful. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Carlos Gomez with HSBC. Please proceed with your question.

Carlos, your line is live.

I'm sorry. Our next question comes from the line of Yuri Fernandez with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, Jorge, Ramon. Thank you for the opportunity of asking questions. I have one regarding your CapEx. It was higher again, and I know it's part of your post-trading transformation, all your investments. It is clear. But I remember in the past call, you mentioned $250 million, sorry, $250 million kind of guidance for this year. And you're on track for that because you had like a very low first quarter. But if you continue the pace you had this quarter and you annualize, maybe you are slightly above, right? You could be running around 300, 350 million. So just checking the box, like should we see maybe capex above the initial budget? Like are you seeing more investments? And what should we see for 2026? Like should this continue? Because in the end, it does impact your margin discussion, right? If you do more topics, it takes time for your depreciation to show up, your capitalizing expenses. So just trying to understand where your topics, you know, guidance contrast versus the third quarter print. And then my second question is regarding your equity price decrease. I remember last year, the beginning of this year, that you were supposed to reduce the trading, the price of trading, maybe 100 million pesos impact for the year. How is that? Like, were you able to get the approvals? You still don't have the approvals and you don't have like any price reductions. Does it make sense to cut the prices now? If you can provide an update in this topic, it could be interesting.

Thank you. Thank you for your question. Let me answer the second one. We haven't touched the trading, our trading fees. We haven't decreased. We are maybe last year. We have approval from the regulator to go down if we need it, but at the moment we are, because we are not planning to to move the prices soon, although we are ready to do it if needed. But the pricing structure remains the same as last year. We were not in the need of lowering because the market share, although it was lowered a little bit at the beginning of the year, it will recover. So we are not seeing any to use the new equity tariffs. I don't know, Ramon, if you can... go deeper on the CapEx question from Yuri.

Sure. Our project, our main project, which is the technology transformation system from post-trade has been, we included the derivatives platforms, and it has also grown in scope a bit into more, data capabilities. So that has led to more CapEx investment. And for next year, it should remain that both of these projects remain specific. The most significant one is being this NASDAQ technological transformation. So yes, we're also expecting high CapEx in the 250, 300 million for next year.

No, super clear. And after that, should we turn it to the 200 million that you used to guide, or like it's 2016, then 2027 it goes down, or too early to talk about it?

Well, once we're done with the systems for the, for post-trade, we're likely to begin with our trading, with our cash equity trading technology. So it should be a lower investment than this, but we're also going to have more projects there.

No, super clear. And if I may, a third one, and sorry for asking many questions. But we saw many noises on taxation in Mexico with the budget for 2026, right? There was news on insurance companies, some news on banks. Is there anything particular for investments, exchange? Like is there anything changing for you like on the proposal or nothing major for your sector?

Thank you. Nothing major. We're not expecting a – we're not having any impact currently.

Thank you, Ramon. Thank you, Jorge.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Edson Orguia with Sumacap. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I have one specifically about the technology, and my question is, how are you going to mitigate an operation of risk? because it's my understanding that the plan needs to be in AWS, even the cloud for 2007. And a couple of days ago, we saw a short time, even a brokerage dealer in Mexico, their recovery process was not that quick. So my question is, how are you going to mitigate it that specifically? The second question on technology and this transformation, we have seen an increase in salaries and compensations in a couple of quarters. So, because you are using AI, if I remember correctly, last quarter, the Chief Information Officer mentioned the AI Excellence Center, and correct me if the name is wrong. Are we expecting a headcount reduction?

Thank you. Please repeat the first question. That's pretty hard.

Yes, my first question is, my first question is how are you going to mitigate technology risk using AWS in the case if I'm not very shut down that we saw a couple days ago?

I can jump on it. This is Slavoj.

Hello. Well, the problem that was presented by... I understand because it's somehow hard to have a good understanding of your question because of the noise in the line. But it has to do, as I understand, regarding the problem that AWS faced last Monday. And we have been taking a look at this condition, and this problem came from the Virginia region, that is the oldest region in AWS. The remaining regions in AWS haven't had any problems historically. And what we are planning is to allocate our operations in the Mexico region. And this also has to do with the regulation in order to keep the data in the country. So we are working in understanding this problem. First, if good news is that the problem or the historical problem that AWO has faced has been related with the Virginia region, that is the oldest one. The remaining hasn't had any problem. And second, we are taking a look in order to assure that the disaster recovery condition we are planning to install already can manage this problem. So far, we are pretty confident that the resiliency design that we are planning to implement will also can handle this situation. And second, repeating just the condition of the Virginia region, our infrastructure will be located in the Mexico region. That is a new one, and we expect that we can have all the availability that is present in the remaining regions in that region.

Okay, thank you. On the headcount reduction, there's a possibility because the using of AI?

We don't, let me say, our investments in technology are aimed at making us more productive. There is no headcount reduction plan or target along with them, but with greater technology, you should be more efficient in your operation. Now, if people can be assigned to different activities or different productive activities, that will be the case. So, our aim is to be more efficient and productive and not necessarily looking at a headcount reduction objective per se.

Okay. And last, if I may. Regarding on this second phase of the digital transformation and specifically about derivatives, could you explain a little bit more? It's going to be, I don't know, first or first is going to be next because it's my understanding that you're planning a full transformation, right? Clearing central trading also and if I may, Part of the question is, are you planning to, in this transformation, include zero days to expiration options?

Yeah.

Yes, Jose Miguel is also maybe helping on the answer, but the answer is, let me just clarify something. It was a second stage. Actually, we are planning to deploy, all the derivatives technology ready by year end 2026. So that will include and that will include a house to be running into the NASDAQ technology provided cloud service as well and a lot of flexibility on the design and on implementation of new products. including, yes, short-dated options, weekly lease, et cetera, something that currently we cannot deploy, but next year we will be able to cope with those needs in terms of time to market on new product implementation with a substantial timing reduction in time to market, but that's the new derivatives platforms for both trading and will be ready in one year time.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Pablo Ordonez with GBM. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Hi. Good morning, Jorge and Ramon. I have a couple of questions. First, can you comment on the rollout of the clearing business for debt? You received authorization back in September to start operations. So my question is, are banks and clients participating? And also, what could be the potential revenue growth for the CCB in the coming years from this project?

Ramon, please.

Yes, we received authorization. We are in the process of the onboarding. There was a call a couple of weeks ago, an industry led by the central bank, the Treasury, the Securities Commission, and ourselves to announce the launching, the first day of trading, I believe, is November 20 or 26. I don't have the number in front of me, but it's, let's say, last week of November to go live. We have four intermediate brokers already testing and pretty much connected. And the intention is to have four to six clearing members by that date already. And more people will be incorporating their request to join clearing for the CCP. But we will have We have a list of interested parties, correct me, Ramon, Roberto is in the line, that we have like around 14 interested broker dealers and banks to join this first stage of clearing, which will be only cash bonds, cash in the bottom of clearing. to be ready for 2026 rollout of the repos, which where we expect to have a much higher participation.

But I don't know if you can add something, Ramon, on the projected growth. Yes.

As we said in the call, the significant part of revenues from the CCP will come from the repo service. That is where we're expecting to have the revenue generation and that service will go live at the end of 2026. So we should start seeing revenues, let's say for 2027. The size of the revenues or how much Still unclear. It depends on basically on the final fee schedule. But we're not expecting anything significant for 2026.

With the current numbers, just to give you an idea of the size of the market, today the CCP, the cash equity CCP is clearing A little bit more than $1 billion a day, let's say $1.3 billion a day. The expected size of the MA border market we are targeting on the first stage is $6 billion. Obviously fees are not the same. Fees are public now. It's around one-third of the equities, but the size of the market is much, much bigger, and that's only cash. repos, repos we are talking about five times those numbers eventually to be targeted in the second stage. So that's why we are enthusiastic about the second stage. And even with the first stage, it means that it's a sizable opportunity for us on the clearing side for Emebonos, definitely the repos. and eventually to develop the electronic piece of the training as well.

That's great, Color. Thanks a lot for that, Jorge and Ramon. A second question, if I may. So you mentioned, so we are now expecting 250 million pesos in capex per year for the coming years. So what are you thinking in terms of the payouts? Should this year you decrease the payout to 70% Do you think that with these levels of capex, should we continue to expect dividends around 70% ?

First of all, let me clarify.

Capex for next year should be higher than the 250 that we had expected. We had expected 250 for this year. We're most likely end up higher. and we will most likely be higher for next year due to the expansion of the projects that we're having. Where the dividend will be depends on the balance we have on dividend and buybacks. I think you have a very valid point. We cannot have high capex, high dividend, buybacks all at the same time because we're going to run out of cash. So that's something that we will, the dividend will be a balance between the buyback and the dividend. Our strategy will be to give back as much cash as we can and not keep cash that we do not need and keep that number as high as possible, whether it be through a dividend or through buybacks.

Okay. Thank you, Ramon. And when you say higher than 250, the capex for next year, are you thinking 300 million pesos or even higher than that amount?

We're working on the numbers, but it could be higher than 300. Okay. Thank you very much for your answers. Well, thank you for the question.

And I think we have Carlos Gomez now.

Yeah. Our next question comes from the line of Carlos Gomez with HSBC. Please proceed with your question.

Hello, and thank you for taking the call. Again, my apologies for my technical problem before. So two questions. One is going back to the investment plans. Again, to recall, we have more than 300 million next year. Probably, again, from what we understand, similar amount the following year. I guess that is fair to say. This is all capex, right? So it is capitalized. Can you remind us what amortization period you are using and when we will start to see amortization charges hit the income statement more heavily? Is it going to be in 2026 or 2027 and beyond? Second, I wanted to ask about the impact of the foreign exchange. You have this very useful table, thank you for that, on page 18, which you show how an investor on forex-adjusted terms EBITDA revenues and expenses all grow by 7%. That's actually an acceleration from the 5% that you have from the fourth quarter of last year. Would you say that your business is actually picking up and will be a realistic Forex adjusted expectation for 2026? Thank you.

Carlos, regarding the first question, amortization period, somewhere between seven and 10 years. It depends on the specific project. For the NASDAQ technology, we'll be using 10 years.

Is this linear, by the way?

Yes, it's linear. Linear, thank you. CAPEX should be shired in 2026. It should decrease a bit by, by 2027, but also we could have new projects there, but nothing as large as what we're having right now. And could you repeat your second question, please?

So again, when we look at your business on a Forex adjusted basis, and you show us those numbers on page eight of your press release, you were growing at 5% last year. for the full year, you have been growing 7% in the first nine months of the year. So should we understand that your business is accelerating and should we expect a higher rate of growth into next year or this 7% is a realistic one for 2026?

Well, that really depends on what happens to the FX. We have, let's say, a rule of thumb. You could say that one peso movement in the exchange rate equals 50 to 60 million pesos in EBITDA. So if the peso depreciates by one peso, we're gonna have around 50 or 60 million pesos more EBITDA. If the peso appreciates by one peso, we're gonna have 50 to 60 million left.

Okay, so that is the sensitivity to Forex. And I guess my question is the underlying growth of the business. If, you know, the 7% that we see adjusted for Forex is a realistic expectation for 2026 or you aim higher or lower than that?

Thank you.

It should be around there. Very good. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you. There are no questions at this time. I'll turn the floor back to management for any final comments.

Well, thank you very much again.

We are very grateful for your time and excited to share our numbers and our plans that are developing as planned and looking for an active and exciting fourth quarter as well very productive 2026. So thank you very much to all and if anything, you can check on our website for a replay of the call or reach out to Ramon or Hannah for any questions. But above all, thank you very much for your time.

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.