Dno Asa Ord

Good morning and welcome to D&O's third quarter 2025 earnings call. My name is Jostein Löfvås and I'm the communication manager here at D&O. Present with me in Oslo this morning are executive chairman Bijan Mozzavaramani, managing director Chris Spencer and outgoing CFO Håkon Sandborg. At first, Bijan will give an introduction. It will be followed by a presentation of the results. After the presentation, we will open up for questions in our unusual Q&A session. As always, shareholders first, but analysts are also welcome to ask questions. Questions, though, will be dealt with afterwards. If you want to ask a question, please raise the tiny virtual hand on top of your screen. When chosen by the organiser, you will be notified on your screen that you are allowed to unmute. After which, you will have to remember to unmute yourself too. With that, I leave the stage to Bijan.

Thank you and good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be back with you in one of these quarterly earnings calls or presentations. And we've had a very strong quarter, and we're going to be very pleased to report on it. And again, as Josai mentioned, answer as best we can any questions that you have. Before I start, I'd like to introduce to you, and Håkon needs no introduction, to many of you who follow the company, He has been the company's chief financial officer for the last 24 years. He is, I think, not the oldest DNO employee, but the one who's been here the longest. And he knows the company's history. He's seen the company through many ups and downs, the number of transformations over the past. I think it's now 53 years, the company, or 54, so as you know, as many of you may know, that DNO has been Norway's oldest oil company, the first to be formed, the first to go on the Oslo Stock Exchange, and through much of that history, all of it, and much of it, Hoffman has been a major player in the company. He's decided to step down from his role, And it's been a privilege for all of us, myself especially, to have worked with him in that role. I've learned a lot from Håkon, learned a lot about the history of the company, and he's been a very valuable colleague to me and a leader to, well, the leaders of DNO throughout the period that I've been here and part of my coming here as well. We are sorry to see him go. We wish him well. He's probably best known outside of DNO as the person who initiated, led our very successful run on bond markets. That's not all he's done here. He's been involved on the stock side as well, the stock markets and shareholders and analysts. of 21 successful bond raises over this period of time. And he mentioned to me that he has raised, through these bond raises over these periods, $5 billion, which is quite a large number for a company of our size. Thank you again, Håkon, for all of us. We wish you well, but I know Håkon wanted to have an opportunity to say goodbye to many of you. worked and stayed in touch, so I give the floor to Håkon to say those works to you directly.

Yeah, thank you, thank you Bijan, thank you for those very kind words. Everything in life, you know, has its time and I think now is a good time for me to retire from DNO after 24 years in the company. It's also at the age of 67, it's also a good time to do something else and go on to new chapters in life is my thinking. And looking back, it's been a great journey in many ways. And I am very proud of all the growth we have achieved and the market value that we have built in the company during these years. And I now wish all my colleagues and all our investors the best of luck and continued success and progress staying with D&O. And I am very happy to hand over to our new CFO Birgitte now taking over after me. And I know she will be doing a very good job. So again, thank you everybody and best of luck.

Well, thank you. Thank you very much.

To continue, I would like to introduce Brigitte to you. We've already brought about a notice about this transition. but I'll say a word about Birgitta, and then, of course, she will deal with the finance part of our presentation this morning, and also moving forward. Birgitta Vendovo Johansen has come to us from the shipping sector in Norway at a company, Reach Subsea. where she was the chief financial officer, and we had a long search process, a deep search, and were able to persuade her to join the company, and she's hit the ground running, and we look forward to many, many years Yeah, I look forward to that, and I'm sure Chris is too. And the rest of us, so welcome to the seat and welcome to the company. We've had a very, very strong quarter in many respects. And my colleagues will have a chance to go into detail on all those, and I'll be available to add some colour and answer questions. I'm very proud of the performance of our teams, both in Kurdistan and in the North Sea. In Kurdistan, we've continued to ramp up our production. When we last met a quarter ago, we were coming out of the period of damage to our surface facilities. In Kurdistan, particularly the pesky refueled, but we were able to ramp up production pretty quickly from zero I think we had hit 55,000 barrels a day between the top and the end of the field in our last quarterly presentation. And I indicated to our team, I was in Kurdistan, I said, we're going to have our quarterly presentation. I want to hit the 55,000 barrels a day figure so I can announce that when we meet in Oslo. And they jumped to the challenge and they were able to do that. For this quarter, we challenged them again, and I said, when I have the presentation on the 6th of November in Oslo, I want to be able to announce that we've hit 80,000 barrels a day of production, so up from 55, which is up from zero, and 80,000 was where we were before the drone strikes and the damage to the fields, and I'm very pleased to say that that team has hit the 80,000 barrel a day figure, and Chris will go into detail as to more specifics about that. So I'm very, very proud of that team, and they do a terrific job. What DNO does and has done in Kurdistan, no other company has even come close. We're very, very proud of that record and proud of the performance of that team. In the North Sea, we also have a fantastic team. We've announced today as part of our release, and then we'll go into that deep on the slides. about how our team in the North Sea now is similarly getting off the sofa, and being able to develop the extensive discoveries that the company has made, the Norwegian continental shelf. And again, Chris will go into some details on our joint efforts with a like-minded company, Aker BP, with respect to one of our discoveries, the Schottake discovery. We're very pleased, and again, we expect to bring that field on production, to develop it in record time. We don't do it as fast in Norway as we do in Kurdistan for many reasons. Most importantly, in Kurdistan, we're onshore, and the lead times are much smaller than they are with offshore projects. what we've done uniquely well in Kurdistan. I expect our next quarter will be even stronger than this quarter, as it will reflect some of the more recent developments, and I look forward to meeting again with you for our fourth quarter of the 2025 presentation in 2016. But before then, and first to Chris to go over our operational performance this past quarter with a bit of a look ahead as well. Thank you, Peter.

And good morning from Oslo. So we now have our transformational quarter on the back of our transformational acquisition. So highly expected following the hugely important acquisition of Soil Energy back in which completed in June and this is the first quarter that you see the full effect of that acquisition and that runs through all of the numbers that I'll be covering and will be coming into on the financials. And, of course, immediate visual impact on the production. We are now up to 115,000 barrels of oil today during Q3, and actually Q3 will be a relatively weak quarter on the production front, both in the North Sea due to the summer maintenance season, but also in the Kurdistan region because we were recovering from the growing attacks, as Bijan has described. Similarly, the revenue follows the production, obviously, and even more so for us because the style acquisition, of course, is in the North Sea where we have full exposure to global oil and gas pricing. We got back into the black with a 20 million profit. And then operationally, we continue to have success with the drill bit. And as we'll go into in some detail, we are now making great strides in terms of monetizing discovered barrels at a record pace in the North Sea. Happily, all of this allows us to continue making our shareholder distributions the way we've been doing for some years now, and the increase in the quarterly dividend payment that we announced last quarter is maintained.

If we go to the next slide, then.

Please, I think that I hope that this slide sets the tone for many quarters ahead in our North Sea. We talked about this on the back of the acquisition of Swell, that we're taking a huge step up in the North Sea and we are determined to not only maintain, but grow our production in the North Sea over the next few years. And we will be doing that by continuing to explore. And we've got three wells running at the moment. and importantly accelerating the development of discoveries into production. At the same time we're going to be high grading and optimizing the portfolio we have and that is a great example of that in the bullet points here where we've done a nice swap transaction with ARCA BP. Both companies are very happy with it. For us, we are strengthening in our core area around the Norna FPSO up in the Norwegian Sea and increasing our share of the Vedande field, which is tied back to Norna. Both of the projects that are coming on in the Anvara one there and Vedande are up in that area. And so the Norna area is going to have a 8,000 barrel of oil equivalent contribution just from those two projects by the year end. In exchange, of course, we handed over some assets, and again, Wilier is a tie back to Alfheim, so that's a core area for ArcaBP, long call for us, so a nice rationalization for both companies. Lastly, here are the final pieces of the financing on the back of the Swale transaction being put in place. We were very pleased to announce the gas offtake agreement we had with Associated Financing last quarter, and we're copying that now on the oil side. The ink isn't quite dry on the signatures here, so we can't give full details, but we're confident these will be in place very shortly. and well ahead of the 1st of January date when those sales will commence. And again, there's the pre-financing on sales similar to the gas arrangement at very attractive interest rates, way below the type of interest rates you see on our bonds. So we will have, once these two deals are completed, facilities of over $900 million on the pre-financing associated with oil and gas, oil liquids and gas sales in the North Sea. If we move to the next slide, then this obviously is a key component now of our engine room for value creation in the North Sea. So we're going to continue to discover resources and then we are going to bring them on very rapidly. As Bijan mentioned over the past few months, in the North Sea we need to find like-minded partners or like-minded companies to be able to do this together. And we're very pleased to be collaborating very closely with ARCA BP here to make Shetkarka a very fast in Norwegian conventional shelf terms development going from discovery in Q1 of this year to production starting Q1 of 2028, which is obviously three years. And that compares to six years or so as the average for subsea tiebacks that have been brought on stream so far this decade, according to the data we have. So that underlines the acceleration that we are going to achieve together with RKVP and Consedo here, and indeed the operator of the host that we'll be getting the time into, which is Vore Energy over at Yer. So we're very excited for that and we are determined that this won't be a one-off. We will be discovering hydrocarbons, working with licensed partners to develop this sort of speed. And as we move forward, we're aiming to improve this further. We see internationally that that is possible. And we're setting the bar very high for ourselves. For investors, why should you care? It's not just fun to accelerate developments, but obviously in terms of the net present value on the original investment and exploration, it's quite transformational on the return on capital invested when you can reduce the time from discovery to production by 50 percent and that of course is the very proposition behind the whole exercise next slide please this is then the front end at the front end of that funnel um we've had an exciting exploration program this year this of course is reflecting um both the portfolios of DNO and Sval as they were as we entered 2025. And we've got results for three worlds coming up very, very soon. And we have an exciting program ahead of us next year. In fact, we have a luxury problem of probably too many opportunities next year that we are working to high grade.

Next slide.

Turn into Kurdistan, and Bijan touched on it, but we've been ramping up production here and the Q3 numbers are still, of course, impacted by the terrible experience we went through in mid-July where we were hit by drones and that caused damage to critical processing equipment at the Peshka beer field. Having brushed ourselves down over a couple of weeks, put in place new security protocols to protect our staff and so forth, the team got back to what they do best and that is overcome challenges in an amazingly speedy fashion. And so within three months of the attack, we have replaced the damage processing equipment by repurposing some redundant equipment we had over at the Talke field and got back up to 75,000 barrels earlier this month. Well, actually, sorry, mid-October. And then as Bijen has announced this morning, they've pushed it even further and we're back to the 80,000 mark as we speak. Of course, the big event in the quarter for Kurdistan oil and gas business in general was finally the reopening of the export pipeline through Turkey to Ceyhan. That was after two and a half year closure during which the entire industry, as you know, has been selling oil locally. From our side, as we've been talking about quarter after quarter, we've not been drilling in Kurdistan to properly manage our reservoirs. And we need to get back to drilling and increase the production again. And so that means we are moving into a period of higher investment again in the Taukey PSC. And for us, therefore, the certainty of payment is even more important than it has been in the past. And that has pushed us to lean on continuing to sell our oil to local buyers. The other element with respect to restarting exports that was not addressed in the agreements that other companies have signed up to is also the significant debt that the Kyrgyzstan Regional Government still has outstanding with us and we continue to look for ways to resolve that with the KLG. Very pleased that exports have restarted. We're also very pleased to have the certainty of payment that we have with our arrangements. And on the back of that, we will be ramping up our investment and we set another hairy target for our team. We're going to get to 100,000 barrels, back to 100,000 barrels gross through restarting drilling on the Taukey PSC. And as Bijan commented, in September. We may look back a year from now and feel we've left a little bit of money on the table with respect to exports, but the value creation from getting back to drilling and pushing the production up will exceed that in our view. With that, I've done my operational update and I will hand over for the first time to Birgitta. for the quick run through the financials. Over to you, Birgitta. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Chris. Good morning to everyone. As Chris and Birgitta mentioned, we present the strong quarter, where we now see the full effects from the Sval acquisition, which was completed in mid-June this year. Let's jump right into the financials and the details. Starting with the income statement, the strong contribution from Sval Energy, now included in DNO's North Sea business unit, is clearly visible. Revenue was 547 million, up 112% from the last quarter. As much as 92% of the group's revenue in the third quarter came from the North Sea business, compared to 65% in 3Q24. Our operating expenses have increased following the inclusion of Sval, which is natural, and operating profit ended at 222 million, at more than 100% from the last quarter. Net profit in 3Q, back in black, as Chris mentioned, at the USD 20 million. Next slide, please.

So let's move to... Yeah.

Let's move to the cash flow. The high revenues led to a near threefold increase in cash flow from operations to a high level of 407 million in Q3, up from 135 million in Q2. This Q3 cash flow includes 53 million in positive working capital changes. Stronger earnings in the North Sea also means higher taxes, and we paid the two tax installments in Norway, totaling $53 million in Q3. As you may recall, we indicated last quarter cash taxes of around $150 million in the second half of 2025. The cash tax will increase in the fourth quarter. We again had substantial investments at 225 million in Q3, consisting of 183 million in CAPEX, mainly for North Sea development projects, and also 34 million in exploration expenditures. We also spent $10 million on DECOM in this quarter. Net finance outflow of 386 million primarily covers repayment of a 300 million bank bridge loan, was part of our acquisition financing for Sval Energy. We also paid a quality dividend of 36 million in Q3, as you know. So with the investments at the 225 million and 300 million in debt repayment, our cash balances were reduced by 257 million to 531 million at the end of three Qs. But again, the key takeaway here is the very substantial increase in our operational cash flow from the first full quarter with the Sval assets in operation.

Next slide, please.

Now, as discussed in D&O's Q2 presentation, our balance sheet and capital structure were substantially changed through the Sval acquisition and related financing transactions. Compared with Q3 last year, we now have quite diversified funding sources with a good combination of long-term bonds and short- and medium-term off-take financing. The size of the balance sheet thereby increased by close to 70% in Q2, primarily through higher property plant and equipment values, as PP&E was up by 135% in the second quarter, as you can see on the slide. For Q3, the PP value remains fairly stable from Q2, as expected. Similarly, we went from a net cash position in Q1 to a net debt of 860 million in Q2, whereas we now show a reduction in the net debt in the third quarter. The key driver for the reduced net debt is close to 100 million in free cash flow, partly offset by the dividends paid. Total equity increased with a 400 million hybrid bond that we placed in Q2, and this metric also remained stable in Q3. All in all, it's a very strong quarter from DNO. No surprises or special items. So by that, I have the word back to you, Jostein, for the Q&A session.

Thank you, Birgitte. That was a good run-through, and we'll take questions now. I haven't seen any. You are here. Nicholas is with us, Nicholas Cefano. I'll unmute you and let you have

Hi everybody, congrats on the very strong quarter and congratulations for a long and rewarding career with the company. And thank you for the engagement with the self-settlement this year. So I want to wish you all the best in your next step in life. So I've got three questions to ask, please. The first one is about Kurdistan. And the other one in, you know, when then kind of like a broader on the balance sheet. So in Kurdistan, if you're ramping up production, you know, drilling was there, but then you sell them locally. And someone else is making this kind of like crazy sort of like margins on the exports. I'm just wondering, where's the incentive from the KRG to make a deal with you in order for you to kind of like sell the crude directly? So that's kind of like the first question. And, you know, you can talk about, you know, how the negotiations there are going to be good. and then on on this val assets and generally the the north sea kind of like outlook you know if you've got this access for a few months now would you be able to give us maybe a production target for 26 10 20 27 in the north sea and then finally on the balance sheet you you have been you know quite conservative you know in the past few years i mean obviously that was because of kurdistan Now that you have repositioned the business in the North Sea, how do you think about the partnership going forward? And more specifically, is there an optimal level of debt or leverage you guys target?

Thank you.

Let me try to answer the question on Kurdistan. I'm not sure I fully understood it. You mentioned something about, I think, crazy margins and some other things. I'm not quite sure I understood it or that I understand what you understand we've done. what we decided to do was to continue selling our entitlement crude, to the buyers who have been buying our crude at the same prices, more or less, as prior to the exports. The amount that we receive, again, is the same, under the same mechanism. When we are prepaid, we're paid in advance, by these buyers, and we deliver the oil to them. In the past, these buyers have sold the oil into the local market. We don't follow exactly who that oil is sold to and on what basis, but we continued, we had an existing contract with them, and we elected to continue those arrangements. Our buyers have made their own arrangements, as they had done previously to sell that oil. But this time they've sold the oil onward into the pipeline. That oil, as we understand it, is exported with all the other oil from Kurdistan, whether it's produced by the other IOCs or other. What terms they have set into place with Kurdistan, we don't know. All we know is we continue to be paid in advance. calculation of price by an outside consultant. There are no issues we have about delayed payments and where those payments come from. We decided that we were better placed to continue to receive money in advance at predictable and set prices than we would be under the terms of the export that other companies have these very substantial investments, including drilling of eight wells next year, which will start right away. We've signed up a contract for a drilling rig, we're going to be deploying our own rig, and as Chris says, we believe that the investments we're making and the increased production that we will get from these investments will more than offset any money that we might end up leaving on the table. It's possible, we know that there's a formula, everyone knows that. There's a mechanism that the companies get paid, hopefully, by December, $16 a barrel. An estimated average $2 in transportation fees, that's 14. to then be supplemented at some point next year by additional monies to be calculated based on an outside consultant retained by the Iraqi government coming in and saying what the contractual number should be based on some other principles of fairness or otherwise that we're not privy to. It's possible that as we participate in this, we would eventually receive more than we're receiving now. We've announced what we're getting. paid per barrel payment in the low $30 a barrel for every barrel that we are putting, selling based on our entitlement, which is now roughly, I think, 20,000 barrels a day. With our share, we get paid in advance, and we are happy with that arrangement. Now, perhaps if we participated in the export pipeline project, this number would have been higher, and as Chris again said, we may end up looking back to see that we've left some money on the table. Maybe we will have left some money on the table, maybe we won't have left money on the table, we don't know. But we thought that the predictable receipt of money would allow us to ramp our production. As I said, we've now ramped it up based on this thinking from zero, just after we were hit by the drones, to 55 three months ago, to 80 now, and to 100,000 at some point next year. I think this is best for us, it's best for Kurdistan, it's best for Iraq, since they're selling the oil. I think it's a win-win-win situation. If we find that, as we've ramped up production, that the terms and conditions and payments are attractive, that they continue beyond the end of this year. My understanding is that these arrangements were done until the end of this year. They'll have to continue. There's an election in Iraq. There'll be elections in Kurdistan. There'll be changes, perhaps, to conditions. We'll see. If we find that those terms are attracted to us, we will participate in exports. If we find that the current arrangements, give us predictability, we will stay with our current arrangements. And hopefully we'll be able to ramp up our prices. Already our prices for our local sales, as we call them, in November are higher than they were in October when we started. And we expect those prices will continue to rise. So we're happy with it, this arrangement, and we're happy to be drilling again. We're happy to be producing larger volumes. As I've said, DNO is great at this, and we have great fields, we have great people, and we're able to deploy a dollar and get more value for it than other companies have traditionally done. So, we're very pleased with the way things are progressing. We hope exports will continue. We wish everyone well as part of the export scheme and their success. will eventually be our success as we'll participate in exports and some other arrangements that we might make ourselves. But in the meantime, we are investing in Kurdistan. We're the only company doing drilling, planning to drill as many wells as we are. And that's what we've always been. We've been the largest producer, the fastest mover. We've said this before, sometime before the end of this year, we will produce our 500 millionth barrel of oil for a target license. That's a great achievement for us. It's been great for Kurdistan. And it's a record we want to improve on. And I think we're set well to do that. On the issue of what our North Sea production is going to be, I'll ask Chris to refer to that. But we haven't given that sort of longer-term guidance. because our situation changes as much as it does. Historically, that's been the case in Kurdistan, but even the North Sea. A year ago, who would have thought that our production in the North Sea would quadruple, which it has with this fall acquisition. We share with you our plans, the fast-track production. We've shared with you our record of discoveries, which has been quite significant. You know from us, from what we've been saying for quite some time, and again, repeated today, that we're going to fast-track the monetization of our discoveries by bringing them into production quicker, so you can do some back-of-the-envelope calculations. We are still on the lookout, as we've been for some time, for acquisition of additional production. We will ramp up production for our own discoveries, and we have a long pipeline of discoveries, but we'll be on the lookout to do swaps, as we've announced again, and to acquire bolt-on acquisitions, smaller ones, we've been doing some of those in the past, that we reported, and maybe more significant acquisitions as well. Our ambitions for the North Sea are as large as our ambitions for Kurdistan. That I can say with some confidence. But Chris, would you like to add?

I think that's a good summary. We have mentioned in our material this quarter that um and as i said in my remarks that uh q3 was uh impacted by the summer maintenance season and so forth and uh we indicated an exit rate in the north sea of ninety thousand thousand equivalent per day uh roughly um and that gives you that gives obviously a good sense we feel of uh the scale of the business we have there we've put um and we we've made similar comments in i think several presentations since we completed the acquisition. So, yeah, we feel we've given a good indication of what you can expect from a North Sea business. And then with the comments that Peter has made and mine earlier, we're trying to help the market understand how we're planning to generate a lot of value out of this new portfolio that we have. We've used the term repeatedly, but the two portfolios went together like a hand in glove with the production-strong portfolio of Sval combining with the exploration and development-strong portfolio of D&O. And that's, again, I think Shirkarka is just the first example of that, where Sval had an increased a much stronger presence in the hosts and potential pieces of infrastructure that could be relevant for ship target development. We made the discovery and that is going to be on stream in early 2028. This is something, as I mentioned earlier, we're going to be working hard to replicate and not forgetting in the backbone that will maintain production as well is the type of legacy assets we have down the area um which came with swell is is everyone who follows the norwegian continental continental shelf echovis just goes on and on that type of asset martin linger the braga asset from the dno portfolio these also will provide a tremendous core of long-term production which we were adding this machine of explore develop um to create value for the shareholders um so i i hope that gives you enough color on uh on what we're aiming to achieve in the north sea on your other question about uh our balance sheet um um let me see the phone yes you're right we've been a conservative um uh

and we will continue to be conservative. We're not going to bet the company on anything. Part of that has been driven, as you said, by Kurdistan, because of the movements up and down in payments in the past, and other challenges. But that wasn't just about Kurdistan. It's not just about being conservative. The Kurdistan part is being prudent. Generally, we're conservative in how we think about the business. but we've also been opportunistic. We've built up large cash reserves, and we're looking for an acquisition several years ago, and we're able to deploy those cash, additional cash through the acquisition of Faro. We then started building up again our cash position, looking for another larger opportunity, and we used it in part and a million dollars in cash on the balance sheet. We have 900 million dollars in total availability of pre-financing. We've drawn down, I think, 340 million of that. Again, as part of the small transaction, the repayment of our debts, which Brigitte discussed. And that we have another significant amount of money available to us. if and when we need it, either for an acquisition or for some other purpose. So, we build up these cash reserves. We'd like to always have a significant amount of cash on the balance sheet, both because of the ups and downs of the market, and the price of oil goes up and down, and we want to be prudent and in a position to continue to pay dividends to our shareholders, to service our bond debt, which we've done now, for 22 years and quite successfully. We're proud of that record. And our investors, on the equity side or the debt side, are critically important to us. Our credibility and our performance is critically important. So, in that sense, too, we're conservative. Not all companies have these sort of targets of continuing to... If you want to pay dividends and you need to service the debt, we do. For that, we need to have enough cash on the bank and be prudent and conservative. We're proud of that, but we do build up cash and look for opportunities. We'll grab those when we can. We don't have a specific target figure other than whatever is prudent. Conservative and opportunistic, that will drive our thinking and our...

Next one up is another analyst, Theodor Sven Nilsson.

You might unmute yourself, please. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. A few questions from me. First on Tauke, congrats on reaching 80,000 barrels per day target. Regarding the 100,000 barrels per day, how should we think around timing of that and also potentially the duration that should we expect 100,000 barrels per day flat out for entire 2026 or should we factor in a lower average production for next year? Second question that is just following up on the export. potential as far as I understand you now sell at local prices in Korea. How does the route to export prices look like? Is it only a deal around the receivables that is between us now and you getting international prices or are there any other outstanding issues and my third question is for guidance 2025 in your second quarter report you you gave some guidance on operational spend and capex for for the norwegian portfolio i didn't see that in the q3 q3 report you just confirmed that that guidance is still valid thanks

Thank you. I was amused when you and I went back and forth about unmuting Theodore. Who's ever muted Theodore? Thank you for your question. You always have interesting and important questions. The easiest one is on the 100,000 barrel target. For us to get from 80,000 to 100,000, That's about 5,000 additional barrels a quarter. That's not difficult for us. We were over 100,000 barrels a day, if you recall, before the pipeline was shut in two and a half years ago. We know how to get there. As you know, in the two and a half years or so that we weren't drilling any new wells, we were still able to maintain production by tweaking the wells and by doing workovers, and we've really Our production team learned so much about the taoki field and about the wells and how to, with minimum amounts of spend and effort, keep those wells flowing. This is really quite spectacular because, as we've discussed many times in the past, these fields, typically these reservoirs have a 15-20% decline rate. How we were able to stop that decline rate without drilling any new wells is, again, An amazing achievement, but it speaks to the 20 years or so of DNO working in that field and learning how to optimize it. With that base of knowledge and understanding, and they've already, during this period, they've located other wells they want to drill. Some of them are production wells, some of them are a bit of a step out, and one or two of them have an exploration component that's quite exciting. and we're going to deliver those in 2026. When are we going to hit 100,000 a day? The target we set for them is towards the end of next year, but they've surprised us pleasantly every time we set targets for them. They've achieved those targets and achieved them in record time, so I wouldn't be surprised if we once again beat uh beat that beat uh the those targets uh but let's give them a chance to uh to uh to do what they do very well as they get going and and as i said we've uh we've uh bringing back a rig back in again and that's going to drill the deeper wells our cindy our own cindy rig which has been doing a lot of the work over it's the last company a couple of years we'll focus on some of the some of the shallower targets that we have in the jerry that is shallower in the target copy field. So we'll get to 100,000. We'll get to 100,000, we'll set a new target and see if we can achieve that. It'll get harder with time, but if one or two of these exploration wells are successful, we can have a step up in production from the two fields. But give us a chance to do it and Our history is a good predictor of our future, certainly in the end. On exports, how would we participate in exports if it looks like the payments are greater than we can get in the local market? That's a good question. There are several avenues to that that we were considering. We can sell our entitlement helpful for everyone for us to have this three-way arrangement within ourselves, our local buyers, and Kurdistan and Iraq for all oil to be sold under arrangements we were comfortable with, but find its way to the pipeline. Again, the NO is 80,000 barrels, a substantial part of the total production of Kurdistan. Without it, the pipeline project wouldn't have worked. so we were we didn't want to block the export project that that's an important project for many stakeholders but we just wanted to make sure we were getting paid thirty dollars or low thirties uh before we put the oil into the pipeline then be paid maybe fourteen dollars twelve dollars fourteen dollars maybe sometime in December to be topped off maybe sometime in the future, or reduced maybe sometime in the future, depending on what an outside consultant would decide would be a fair price or a price that was somehow acceptable to other companies. That uncertainty we didn't want to live with, and we believe that by again selling in the low 30s and getting paid in advance, we can invest and get more production and more revenue to offset any money we leave on the table. But there are several ways to get there. And because we're not signed up into the larger project, we have our rights under our PSC to sell the oil to whoever is the best buyer. From our point of view, there is a pricing and payment terms of that oil. And all the companies that said that we would not participate in exports, unless the arrears was resolved. We kept to that. Our arrears are important for the other companies. Maybe the arrears were less that we know there were less. Our arrears were the greatest. We had said consistently that we will not participate in that export project until our arrears were addressed, so we had comfort that we would be seeing those arrears. We have different mechanisms to achieve that. None that have been finalized that we can announce now. But we will get our ears back, one way or the other, as happened to the previous time we built up even much larger areas during the ISIS period. You remember that period? Well, the Kurds, they've always been good for all of the contracts eventually. We understand sometimes when there are squeezes, we work with them, but we expect that one way or another, and there are different ways of doing this, we will get the ears paid. At some point, we hope to participate in exports. If not in the next few months, the export agreements between Iraq and Turkey expire in July. We don't know how that pipeline will be used, by whom and under what terms and conditions, but things will change in July. We haven't been participating in the export stream directly now. Come July, there will be other opportunities for us to participate in a different way in an export project, and we're comfortable with that decision. We have the cash to drill wells to raise production. All that is, I think, on track as far as the NO is concerned.

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