Eutelsat Communications

Hello and welcome to Yiddlesat full year 2024-2025 results. My name is Laura and I will be a coordinator for today's event. Please note this call is being recorded and for the duration of the call, your lines will be on listen only mode. However, you will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of the call. This can be done by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad to register your question. If you require assistance at any point, Please press star zero and you will be connected to an operator. I will now hand you over to your host, Jean-François Fallagé, CEO, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Hello, good morning. Welcome. Thanks for joining us today for Eutelsat's full year 2024-2025 results presentation. My name is Jean-François Farachet. I'm the CEO of the company and I'm joined today by Christophe Caudrelier, which is our CFO, and Jonathan Arlington, which is our head of IR. Let's go directly to the presentation on today's agenda. We will obviously run through the key events of this year, the operational performance, the financial performance, and of course we will wrap up with the strategic and financial outlook. So starting with a reminder of the key highlights of last year. Clearly, last year has been a pivotal year for Utilsat. First, I am pleased to report that we delivered a solid financial performance aligned with expectations. Total revenues have reached 1,244,000,000, which is up 1.6% like for like. The four operating verticals contributed to 1,226,000,000 revenues. Up 0.8% like for like. And most notably, our LEO low earth orbit segments saw year-on-year revenue growth exceeding 80%, reflecting the increasing commercial traction across geographies and use cases. These LEO revenues now represent 15% of all group revenues. That is reflecting the substantial growing demand for LEO capacity and that across all verticals. Over the past year, we have provided satellite capacity to Ukraine. We have also signed key agreements with European institutions, including a massive framework agreement with the French Ministry of Armed Forces and a contract with the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office. These milestones are reflecting our growing role as a trusted partner in Europe's sovereign digital infrastructure. We announced a capital increase of 1.5 billion to support our long-term strategic roadmap. This initiative is backed by all core shareholders, including the French state and His Majesty's Government of the UK, and this is expected to be completed by the year-end. This financing will strengthen our capital structure, accelerate deleveraging, unlock investments capacity to support both the continued expansion of our new network and our future role in IRI Square Constellation. In parallel, we are pursuing a complementary debt refinancing plan to further enhance our financial flexibility. Now let's have a look at the operational performance. Please note that all the comments I will make on these numbers are relating to like-for-like variations, EMS on a constant currency and perimeter basis. Our total revenues for full year 2024-25 stood at €1,244,000,000. This is up by 1.6%. If we look again at the operating vertical revenues, they are up by 0.8%. And our EU revenues amounted to €187,000,000, up by 84.1%, again showing the strong demand momentum. Our adjusted EBITDA stood at 676.2 million on June 30th and it was stable while the adjusted EBITDA margin stood at 54.2%. Now, if we look at our CAPEX We had 450 million euro capex last year, which is below the level of 24 due to the phasing of the constellation, the Leo constellation renewal. And our net debt to EBITDA was 3.88 times. These financial results were in line with our projections of operating vertical revenues around the same level and an adjusted EBITDA margin slightly below the level of the previous year. Let's have a look now at our different segments. Video is representing 50% of the revenues with $608 million, a decline of 6.5%. Fixed connectivity revenues are representing 20% of the group revenues, and they grew by 4.3%. Government services represent 17% of our revenues and are growing by 24%. Mobile connectivity revenues are representing 13% of the total group revenues and they were stable year-on-year. Other revenues of 17.5 million are actually coming from recognition from IRA Square revenues and edging amongst other things. Let's now have a look at these segments a bit more in detail. Starting now with video. So revenues video were down year-on-year by 6.5%. This is clearly reflecting the maturity of this legacy business. Jutelsat leading video hotspots nevertheless continue to attract broadcasters, notably Hotbird. Hotbird that is at 13 degrees east. which saw the renewal of capacity agreements with long-standing customers, the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation, for instance, while we had We.TV, which is the global ad-supported streaming TV network that signed a new deal to add free-to-air streaming channels to the hotbed satellites. The fourth quarter revenues on this segment stood at 147 million, down by 608% year on year. And they were broadly a stable quarter on quarter. And what I want to state here on the video segment is that, as we announced recently, Eutelsat has removed several more Russian channels from its fleet to be compliant with the latest directives of our national regulator, ARCOM. The impact on revenues of the removal of this channel is estimated at 16 million euros and a similar amount of EBITDA loss in 2025-2026. Let's now go to the fixed connectivity vertical. Revenues there stood at 247 million. They were up by 43%. This is mainly thanks to the continued growth of the geo-enabled connectivity solutions. And that is offset by more challenging conditions for the geo-enabled solutions. including for instance the contract on which we ceased revenue recognition with team in Italy on connect the HTS the fourth quarter revenues to that 69 million they were down 14 percent year-on-year this reflects again here last year comparison base because last year was boosted by by a high level of terminal sales and recognition of catch-up revenues that explained this year-on-year quarter decrease. Quarter-on-quarter revenues were up 21%, and that, again, thanks to LEO revenues performance. Amongst recent commercial wins on the fixed connectivity on LEO, Eutelsat and Orange signed an agreement for LEO Capacity that is going to enable Orange Group to strengthen its satellite solutions portfolio with Leo connectivity solutions for its enterprise and government customers. And of course, that will be for them a potential support on their mobile backhauling globally. Let's now go on the vertical segment on government services, where we stood at 211 million. That segment grew by 24% year-on-year, thanks to the growth of LEO-enabled solutions, notably with the services we delivered for Ukraine, and as well the increased demand from other non-US governments, such as Taiwan, for instance. The fourth quarter revenues stood at 65 million, up by 41% year-on-year, and 38% quarter-on-quarter. In June 2025, we inked a major $1 billion investment. 10-year framework agreement with france armed forces ministry in the context of the nexus program this will reinforce the french military space communication model by combining military and civilian resources these civilian resources being brought to the french armies by utel saturn web Elsewhere, we are also proud that we signed a contract recently with the UK FCDO. The OneWeb Leo constellation will provide high-speed, low-latency connectivity for British embassies, high commissions, consulates, and as well as broader UK government activities globally. We also signed an extension of the contract with MBS, our German distributor, which is a multi-year, multi-million euro agreement to provide Eutelsat 1 Weblio connectivity to government and institutional customers across Europe. Let's now look at the mobile connectivity revenue segment, which stood at 160 million, actually stable year-on-year. This reflected growing demand for LeoBay solutions, notably here in maritime, and that was actually offset by lower geo revenues. On the commercial front, we signed last week a deal with India's station SAPCOM to deliver LEO connectivity services to the global maritime sector, which is an important contract for us. What I want to state as well is that in this mobile segment, aero mobility is really gaining traction. We have now over 100 airplanes installation which have been completed out of a backlog close to a thousand aircraft. And we have customers that are major airlines, including, for instance, Air Canada or Delta Airlines. Now let's have a look at our backlog. As you can read there our backlog is strong and stood at 3.5 billion euros on June 30th 2025. This is an equivalent of 2.8 times our 24-25 revenues and connectivity is representing 57% of this backlog. Now, I will hand over to Christophe, our CFO, that is going to comment for you our financial performance. Christophe, please. Thank you, Jean-Francois.

Good morning, everyone. Starting with profitability. Reported EBITDA stood at 676.2 million euros at the end of June 2025, compared with 718.9 million euros a year earlier, down by 5.9%. This gap is explained by the missing one web quarter in fiscal year 24. On a like-for-like basis, the EBITDA was stable. the adjusted EBITDA margin stood at 54.2% at constant currency. It was 54.4% reported versus 55% a year earlier and 59.3% reported. OPEX were 73.4 million higher than last year, reflecting the consolidation of OneWeb over 12 months compared with only 9 months in fiscal year 2023-2024. On a pro forma basis, costs were up 3.5%, reflecting the ramp up of LEO activities to full operational run rate. This impact was mitigated by synergy benefits from the integration of OneWeb and strict cost control measures, among which IT costs and OneStream implementation. Group share of the net result was a loss. of €1,081.9 million versus a loss of €309.9 million a year earlier. This reflected other operating expenses of €777 million compared to €208 million last year, including an impairment of 535 million euros in respect of geo-goodwill in H1, and a further 186 million euros in geo-satellite impairments. DNA of 808 million euros versus 702 million euros a year earlier, reflecting the perimeter effect of OneWeb, as well as higher in orbit amortization due to entry into service of UTELSAT-3060 and 20 LEO satellites during the first half. And these have been partly offset by a lower GEO on-ground depreciation. Then, a net financial loss of 201 million euros versus 124 million euros a year earlier. mainly reflecting the evolution of foreign exchange gains and losses and higher interest costs. A corporate tax inflow of 6.7 million euros versus an inflow of 28.3 million euros a year earlier, reflecting the non-recognition of deferred tax for French entities in 24-25. And finally, losses from associates of 2.4 million euros versus 22.8 million euros last year, reflecting the contribution of the stake in one way in the first quarter of financial year 23-24, now fully consolidated. Let us move to CapEx. Gross CAPEX amounted to 449.8 million euros compared with 517.1 million euros a year earlier. This decrease reflects lower geosatellite program expenditure and lower LEO on-ground CAPEX, as well as the phasing of CAPEX related to the renewal of the LEO constellation. Capital expenditure is expected at a level of 1 to 1.1 billion euros in the fiscal year 2025-2026, reflecting the timing of key milestones, which are including the order of an initial batch of 100 additional satellites in December 2024, as well as the upcoming order of 340 further satellites for the LEO constellation. Going forward, CAPEX will remain focused on new activities in line with the group's strategic vision, primarily on the Gen 1 follow-on program. Geo-CAPEX, on their side, will ensure service continuity. At the end of June 2025, net debt stood at €2,626.6 million, up by €82.2 million versus the end of June 2024. It reflected capex-related movements and higher financial costs, partially offset by net cash flow generated by activities, as well as the reclassification under IFRS 5 of the liabilities of the assets held for sale in the context of the disposal of the passive ground infrastructure for more or less 100 million euros. This disposal remains on track for the foreclosure at the beginning of calendar year 2026. As a result, the net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio stood at 3.88 times, compared to 3.79 times at the end of June 2024. The average cost of debt after hedging stood at 4.37%, down from 4.87% in fiscal year 2023-2024. This decrease reflects both the reduction in short-term interest rates on the Group Financing Index on variable rates, as well as the maturity in January 2025 of the cross-currency SWAPS portfolio. The weighted average maturity of the group's debt stood at 2.5 years compared to 3.5 years at the end of June 24. Liquidity remained strong, with undraught credit lines and cash around 1.07 billion euros. Now back to Jean-François to comment the outlook and next steps.

Thank you very much, Christophe. A few reminders of the key elements of our market update that took place on June 19, 2025. As you can see there, the B2B satellite connectivity market is seeing a strong momentum. with projected growth of this total market around 12% per year through 29 and this is expected to more than double the size by 2033 and virtually all that growth in connectivity is being driven by LEO which is massively out facing the broader market growth The Leo B2B revenue, satellite revenue growth is expected to be at a growth of 28% CAGR through 2029 and to multiply its current size fivefold over the next eight years. So, in summary... LEO is no longer an emerging technology. This is a proven and scalable solution that is really unlocking entirely new use cases. And thanks to its low latency, high throughput, and fast, flexible deployment, it has a lot of potential. And this is precisely the market on which we are positioned with our OneWeb constellation. Since ETELSAT has acquired OneWeb in 2023, we've made strong progress in addressing a number of operational challenges that were identified at that time and this is positioning us today to fully capitalize on this opportunity. I want to pinpoint a few key matters. The first one is that our satellite fleet is now fully in orbit with a further 20 satellites that have been added in 2024, which led to upgraded service quality. Today, we are operating a fleet of over 650 satellites that are offering more than 99% network availability. We have now 39 satellites satellite ground portals which are live across the globe there are five more under deployments and that will put us on track to offer a full worldwide global coverage in 2026 and from a regulatory standpoint we have secured the commercial licenses in more than 180 countries for now and we offer a full suite of next generation terminals With further innovation on the way, including a new MANPAC model for military usage and dedicated AERO-UT antennas specialized for airplanes. All of this is putting EUTELSAT in a fundamentally stronger position to scale in LEO. zoom on the traction we are seeing on government services now. I remind that we are the only one of two LEO operators that is currently not a US company. And as mentioned here in this presentation that you see on the screens, The strategic importance of Eutelsat has been now showcased by a number of deals. The most important is clearly the landmark framework agreement we are having with French Ministry of Armed Forces alongside France's Nexus program, which is a $1 billion framework contract. But we also signed recently a Leo capacity deal with the UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office to connect embassies and other sites abroad. And last but not least, we have renewed and enhanced a multi-year, multi-million euro extension of our Leo capacity contract with our German distributor MBS to address the needs of some European governments. Now let's go back to our capital increase. Since our last communication on June 19th, we are obviously delighted that this majestic government of the UK has joined. our capital increase alongside the other core shareholders. This is boosting the capital increase from 1.35 billion euros to 1.5 billion euros and you can see on this slide the details of the UK participation that are outlined. Clearly, this capital raise of 1.5 billion will support the execution of our strategic roadmap and clearly reinforce our financial strategy. It will strengthen our balance sheet, reduce the pro forma leverage to around 2.5 at the end of the fiscal year 26, and enhance our credit profile. That will clearly unlock access to complementary funding sources, such as debt market, ECA financing, And all of these will be critical to support our CAPEX plan over 26-29, alongside, of course, with the continued improvement, our LEO operating cash flows. Let's now turn to our financial objectives. So clearly, since stepping into the role, one of the findings that has stood clearly out for me is the pace at which commercial momentum is building across multiple verticals and geographies. It's a strong signal that HotelSat's position is resonating and that we are now meeting real and growing customer needs. In this context, I've set out a clear and focused action plan for the company. First, scale up the operations to achieve full global coverage with a total of 44 ground satellite portals, giving us a full Earth coverage. Second, on the go-to-market front, we are sharpening our focus on high-value use cases such as aero, tactical mobility, seeking to deploy more specialized and more cost-efficient user terminals, and of course, obtaining remaining licenses to enable service activation in key countries. And third, on the operational side, We are ensuring continuity beyond Gen 1 with the upcoming deployment of 440 follow-on satellites while continuing to enhance performance across software, ground infrastructures, and UT globally to provide the best service with our constellation. If we now go to the financial objectives for next year, in full year 2025-2026, we are expecting EU revenues to demonstrate further strong growth, rising by 50% year on year. This dynamic growth will compensate, but not yet outweigh the decline in GEO revenues. And the GEO revenues will be impacted, unfortunately, by additional Russian sanctions in the video business. As a result, SUTELSA targets revenues in line with and an adjusted EBITDA margin slightly below those of full year 2024-2025. On the capex front, as Christophe mentioned earlier, we are expecting to reach approximately 1 to 1.1 billion euro capex. And following the contemplated capital increases announced in June, and this capital increase is due to be completed by the end of the year, the calendar year 25, Net debt to EBITDA estimated is at circa 2.5 by the year end, 25-26, which is clearly reflecting a robust and self-funded financial structure. If we now look on the longer term, when we look further out and GEO gathers momentum, Eutelsat is expecting growth and profitability to ramp up, with revenues expected to range between 1.5 and 1.7 billion euros by the end of 28-29. That is clearly thanks to the strong momentum of Leo revenues, which are going to significantly outperform the market growth of B2B connectivity revenues. In terms of operating leverage, we expect to drive mid to high single digit percentage point improvements in EBITDA margin, which will result in a margin of at least 60% by full year 2028-2029. And in the longer term, post 2028-2029, the B2B connectivity market is expected to pursue its growth at a double digit rate, again, mostly driven by the LEO market expansion. So to sum up, Eutelsat is experiencing robust growth in LEO revenues on the back of a strong demand. Eutelsat is uniquely positioned as the European Space Connectivity Champion in shifting geopolitical environments. We are making strong progress in addressing the operational challenges and we are on track for our full global services in 2026. Management is laser-focused on revenue growth divers, aiming to deliver 1.5 billion to 1.7 billion revenues in full year 28-29, with an EBITDA margin of 60% more. And financing is secured with a strong backing from our core shareholders for an upcoming 1.5 billion capital increase, underpinning a fully comprehensive 26-29 financing strategy. On that note, I thank you very much for your attention. And now Christophe, Joanna and myself are ready to take your questions.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for a brief moment. Thank you. We'll now take our first question from Alexander Peter of Bernstein. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. First of all, on your fourth quarter revenue, two things stand out. One is obviously the strong government and the second one is what I believe is consultancy revenues from Iris Squared, correct me if I'm wrong, in the line other. So could you help us understand, can you sustain this momentum in government and how we should model the other revenue line going forward? And then I have a quick follow up on OneWeb. Thank you.

I mean, indeed, I mean, you're right. I mean, the 17 million are mostly linked to IRS Square linked revenues and a few other items, but mostly linked to IRS Square. And the way you should code model is clearly, I mean, you see the trends. I mean, the trends on the geo-video revenues, which are legacy revenues, we are expecting continuous declining trends of these mature legacy businesses. Same on the connectivity geo-business. And very, very strong growth on the Leo OneWeb business. So that's obviously the way I'm sure you are already doing modeling and you should continue doing modeling in the future. I don't know if Christophe or Joanna want to add something.

Yes, maybe a couple of points, Alexander. first starting on the GOV and the strength of the GOV in Q4. Obviously, it's related to the increase in service revenues, but you should also take into consideration a strong momentum on the equipment sales during Q4, which explains some of the very strong growth for this particular quarter. So obviously, you should figure that out in your projections. On IRIS Square, I mean, it's really related to the revenue that we recognize for the work that is performed for IRIS Square. This is mainly related to internal cost. I mean, man hours or hours that are invoiced. I mean, they should continue in the years to come. I mean, as long as the IRA Square program is on in development. It's quite difficult to predict a precise figure. That's also the reason why they are located in other revenues and they are kind of one-shots. or depending on the specific requirements and on the specific frame of the projects. That's what I can say on IRIS Square.

Okay, that's great. Thank you very much. And then a quick follow-up just on your revenue with OneWeb. So first of all, do you plan to continue reporting this revenue line separately, quarterly or on a full-year basis? And the second kind of sub-question would be, how is the connectivity revenue distributed within one web? What's driving the growth? Is it more government? Is it more fixed data or mobility? Thank you.

First of all, I can confirm that we will continue to report the split between LEO and GeoRevenues. That's for sure. What I can say is it's quite spread over the different verticals. The growth in OneWeb is strong. And this is true for the verticals we are reporting. I mean, there's no major significant variance within the total revenues and between the different verticals. And what I can say is it's more or less in line with our historical split of revenues within connectivity. No major change.

That's great. Thank you very much.

Thank you. We'll now take our next question from Stéphane Bézien of Odo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you very much. I've got two, if that's possible. The first one is, can you tell us a little more on what are your expectations specifically for the contract with the French Army? And also with the UK, when do you expect revenues to start kicking in and what sort of size could we be thinking of? And my second question is regarding the OneWeb revenues. Is it possible to have a bit more detail? Because I guess some of the revenues reported for OneWeb also include some revenues from UTELSAT. So I was just wondering whether we can have the, let's say, net revenues or external revenues. Thank you very much.

Stéphane, thank you for the question. I mean, on the OneWeb revenues, no, they are purely external. I mean, there are no internal UtilSat revenues. And while we are communicating here, there are 183 million revenues of sales to third parties. So there is no, let's say, internal hocus pocus in these revenues publications. This is just external. On the first question, I mean, we are working with the French Army currently to make these revenues start kicking in as soon as some of these revenues start kicking in as soon as the end of this calendar year 2025. So in the middle of our fiscal year 26, basically. So that's what the plan is. After that, I mean, you have seen the size of the contract. It's a 1 billion framework contract over 10 years. So it gives you an idea of... The expected, I would say, run rate yearly once we will have ramped up the contract, so roughly around 100 million per year revenues expected. On three main topics, without going into the details of this contract, the first topic is capacity. So the French armies are planning to buy from us just raw capacity. The second one is potential payloads. on upcoming satellite launch which will be specific to military usage. And the third one is hardening, in a way helping us to harden the constellation with some stronger encryption, for instance, or other specific matters that would be purposeful for military usage.

If I just may add one point on your first question, Stéphane, it's what we report is not OneWeb revenue. We report Lio revenues, right? So this is the combination of all Lio revenues. So obviously Lio revenues are based on the constellation owned by OneWeb. But what you have is you may have some revenues within UTEDSAT SA that are Lio related. But what we are reporting, again, as Jean-Francois mentioned, is 100% external revenues.

Thank you. Thank you very much. And just to follow up, if that's possible, you also mentioned, I think, some revenues from Ukraine. Do you see more potential there? Thank you.

Yes, we do. And this is the aim of the extension we just signed with one of our distributors. So we see the services and the number of, let's say, the usage, they are growing, basically. And that is month after month.

Very good. Thank you.

Thank you. And we will now take our next question from Britt Bay, Vetsa of Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thank you. Good morning, team. Quickly, on the debt refinancing plan, I think you mentioned early on in the call that there can be a potential debt refinancing exercise. Can you maybe elaborate a bit on that plan? Thank you.

Yes, sure. Thanks for the question. Well, what I want to first start with and stress is that obviously the global financing plan for the group is obviously starting with the equity rate and the increase in share capital. So this is the very big important point. This is a start point. This allows us to have a much better balance sheet, first. Second, it's, as you have probably seen, highly positive on the rating side. And our rating profile is improving significantly thanks to this increase in share capital. So on this basis, yes, obviously, this allows us to address the financial markets. And it's part of our plan for the year to come. This will be addressed through mainly two things. First of all, is financing through export credit agency support. So that's the first leg. And the second leg is obviously to refinance our current bonds. As you know, we have a maturity, a first maturity for year 2027, calendar year 2027. So we will be addressing this in this coming year. It's a bit early for us to give you a precise timetable of when we will go to the market, but obviously all the teams are focused on this and it's the current work that we are doing.

Thank you.

Thank you. Once again, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Thank you. And we'll now move on to our next question from Ben Wickard of New Street. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, guys. Thanks for the questions, and thanks also for the new NEO revenue disclosure. It looks like the NEO revenue is really strong in Q4. I wondered if you could talk a bit about what has driven that strength in q4 to what extent it's one off and and then how we should expect that to save um going into 2026 and then second question um you've again um given the backlog numbers but i wondered if you could say what the leo backlog was at the end of q4 and maybe also to what extent that backlog is being impacted by currency, by the dollar weakness. Thank you.

Okay, so let me maybe start with your second question, Ben. If I understood well, your question was related to the Leo backlog, right? And how is it linked to the currency, to the US dollar? Well, first of all, let me answer on the US dollar a bit more broadly. the percentage of our sales and i would say would apply to the backlog too based on us dollar is a bit more than half 50 percent of our business so what i can say is that More or less, if you have one set variance in the dollar to the euro or the euro to the dollar, that has an impact of roughly 6 million euros in annual sales, just to give you an idea. Obviously, this is not the impact on the EBITDA level, right? It's much lower. The impact would be, what, one-third. So, obviously, the variation between the dollar to the euro has some impact on the backlog and considers, again, 50% of this. um on the leo backlog uh the uh we are close to uh in the same range as as we disclosed priori that is to say around a billion and just a precision on this one as you know i mean the in the connectivity business um the length of the contracts is not the same as the one in the video business, as we were using to see. I mean, we had much longer terms in video than we have for connectivity. And this is true for both Leo and Jio business. So we are more used to much shorter contracts that are reflected into the backlog. I mean, closer to less than two or three years compared to an average of around five years in the video business. So this is the help I've understood to you. Second question.

If I may add on the Leo backlog, what is to be remembered? And we are expecting strong growth on the Leo revenues. As a reminder, we are expecting more than 50% growth on the Leo revenues. So we see a strong appetite on Leo again.

On the first question related to a strong Q4 revenues, when we look at the Q4 24-25 compared to the same Q4 last year, we have an increase and then focus on connected revenues of roughly 2% if we look on a like-for-like basis. So, you know, you had that at the same level as last year, I mean, in terms of variants. What I can say is that you need to take into consideration that Usually Q4 are impacted by through-up in the LEO business. So yes, you may have a bit stronger Q4 than the other quarters. And again, this is mostly linked to this through-up recognition. What I can say also is that for the last quarter of fiscal year 25, we had a significant increase sales of equipment for the new business, which was actually the case also in the fiscal year 24. So this is also a good sign because we are increasing the number of equipment and users terminals in the ground, which is also very positive for the ongoing service revenues.

Thank you. That's really helpful. And I think in Q4 2024, those equipment sales were about 30 million euros. Is it roughly the same in Q4 this year?

Yes, it's about the same level.

We are in the same range.

Perfect. Thank you.

A bit stronger actually, yeah.

Thank you. And we'll now take our next question from Wolfgang Felix of Sauria. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes, hi. And I apologize if you've already covered this. I dialed in a little bit late. You have disclosed Leo revenues of 187 million. But when I subtract group from communications, I come to a difference of 115. And in my sort of simplistic world, that should be one web. Are there Leo related revenues that you're charging at group level as opposed to one web? Or how come there's such a difference? It's some 70 million differences.

Sorry, are you talking about USELSAT SA and USELSAT Group?

Yes, I'm sorry.

Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that. We can take it offline and I can explain to you. But as Christophe said earlier and Jean-Francois, there are no internal, there are no intra-group revenues. Everything that we disclose for LEO is external sales.

Exactly. I recall you saying that. Could you possibly maybe contact me afterwards?

Yes, I will.

That'd be fantastic. Thank you.

Thank you. And we'll now take our next question, a follow-up from Alexander Peter of Bernstein. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you. Thank you very much for taking this quick follow-up. It's just on modeling. So should we model the Russia roll-off in the first quarter as being one quarter of the full-year impact that you specified, which I think is 16 million? Is it working in a linear manner over the year? And that comes on top of a normal decline of around 5%, or is it now more like 6.5% declines in video? That's the first one. The second one is when you talk about margins being slightly down, in fiscal 26. That is before the impact of the ground infrastructure sale and lease back. Is that correct? And if you just remind us of the maps there. Thank you.

Yeah, so definitely. Alexander for the Russian bus business is as from 1st of July so it's a completely linear impact and for your for the second question yes what what we the guidance that we give there it's before the impact of Stargate the reason being that we can't precisely planned for the exact date when Stargate is going to be effective. So, yeah, I confirm. And I confirm that on a yearly basis, the impact on the EBITDA, the impact of Stargate on the EBITDA is roughly 70 million euros per year. This is, again, on an annual basis.

That's great. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Zahra, any further questions in queue? I will now hand it back to Jean-Francois for closing remarks.

Thank you very much for being present at the beginning of August for our call. Again, to sum up these year results, strong and robust growth in EU revenues. We are now uniquely positioned with OneWeb being the only European space connectivity champion in this complex geopolitical environment that you all know. And with now this upcoming 1.5 billion capital increase, we are fully financed for generating this growth story in our future. So thanks very much. Have a good summer. And for those of you who have the chance, enjoy the summer break and see you very soon in the back to school. Goodbye.

Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.