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Hello everyone and welcome to the presentation of IBS results for the first half of 2025. I am Thomas Pernage, Head of Investor Relations. As usual, you will find this presentation on the Investor Relations page of our website. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Moving to the next page, let me draw your attention to the company's disclaimer for forward-looking statements, which, as you know, are based on our current assumptions and beliefs and subject to risks and uncertainties. Today's speakers are Olivier Legrand, our Chief Executive Officer and IBA Clinical Lead, Henri Deromere, our Deputy Chief Executive Officer and IBA Technologies Lead, and we are pleased to welcome Catherine Vandenborg, our newly appointed Chief Financial Officer and IBA Corporate Lead. As you know, Catherine joined us on the 1st of July. Here is now the agenda for today's presentation. We start with our highlights for the periods, followed by a business review where we will discuss the strategic progress and the financials of each business unit. And finally, we'll cover financial performance in more detail and give you an update on our guidance and output.

Thank you very much, Thomas. Good afternoon, everybody. We are happy to share our achievement with all of you today. We are proud to announce a strong first half of the year, underpinned by accelerated conversion of the project backlog, improved profitability and sustained strategic momentum across our four business units. Our revenue reached €304.9 million, reflecting a steep increase of 40% compared to H1 2024. This growth was driven by the accelerated backlog conversion in both IBA clinical and IBA technologies. Our gross profit reached €90 million, corresponding to a gross margin of 29.5%, in each one last year. This was due to a less favorable equipment profitability mix driven by legacy low margin projects in proton therapy and some customer delays. Despite this, we achieved a significant increase at the Rebit level at 10.6 million Rebit benefited from both strong sales and disciplined OPEX, which was 26% of net sales, well below our long-term target of 30%. More specifically, we are pleased that IBA Clinical achieved a break-even rebate, driven by the scale-up of phototherapy activities and the financial turnaround of dosimetry. Bottom line, we recorded a net loss of 2.6 million for the first half of the year, given some negative impacts below Revit, which Catherine will further detail during the financial review. Our strong backlog conversion led to temporary additional working capital requirements driven by contract assets, resulting in a net debt position of 30 million euros. Despite this peak, which is expected to normalize with the deliveries of our large Spanish and Chinese orders in proton therapy, our net leverage ratio remains healthy at 0.63. In view of this consideration, we reaffirm our guidance for the year 2025, meaning a minimum of 25 million euro rebate, underpinned by positive rebate for proton therapy. Let's now have a look at our business highlights. Our backlog decreased to €1.3 billion, down from an all-time high of €1.5 billion, in view of the accelerated backlog conversion exceeding our order intake for the period. Our €107 million order intake is an encouraging start of the year, with IBA Technologies maintaining the same number of systems sold as H1 last year, but larger configurations, proton therapy recorded one sale in Taiwan in H1. That said, we also announced post-period the signature of a contract for Proteus-1 with the prestigious University of Heidelberg in Germany, This investment represents a significant expansion of their particle therapy program, active since 2010, and will ensure continued access to cutting-edge, highly targeted cancer treatment for patients. And finally, today, we announced the signature of two additional Proteus 1. This contract reinforces IBA's position as a trusted partner for leading institutions and confirms the growing global demand for proton therapies. With this post-period contract in proton therapy, dosimetry and technologies, our order intake is now close to 190 million euros. Overall, our market continues to display dynamic conditions, despite the more challenging geopolitical environment. We will further comment on this development. Let's move now to the review of our business performance, starting with IBA Clinicals. During our capital market day, we outlined our strategic focus on three axes, as you remember, related to one, strengthening of our technological leadership. Number two, to grow in our key markets, including Asia and the US. And finally, the expansion of our activities along the value chain. Let me share a few highlights of our progress in this area. In proton therapy, we have made several notable achievements. We launched the Proton Therapy Academy, a unique platform for knowledge sharing and training that brings together the world's leading experts and practitioners in the field. This platform is intended to support the awareness and clinical adoption of proton therapy, thanks to our community of domain experts. Besides, we reached a significant milestone in the development of our dynamic app technology, completing full treatment on Phantome with our prototype at the Coral Health site. We are therefore on track for FDA submission before product release in 2027. And also, we continue to progress on our service profitability initiatives, which, as you know, are key drivers of IVF proton therapy current and future profitability. In a different domain, our partner for carbon therapy, Normandie Hadron Therapy, is moving in the development of its first system. Catherine will revert on this in the corporate business review. We also achieve notable milestones in dosimetry. with the launch of Quasar phantom solution of magnetic resonance simulations in radiotherapy, as well as the diversification of our imaging portfolio through the acquisition of RadCal in the U.S. and a partnership with the startup company Phantom X in Germany. As expected, backlog conversion accelerated in the first act. The total backlog stood at 1.1 billion at the end of June, down 10% versus full year 24, inflicting strong execution alongside a H2 weighted order intake of 5. The service backlog is 634 million euros, slightly lower than prior years, mainly because of contract structure shifts and timing of renewals. However, it remains supported by 57 active operation and maintenance contracts and a growing install base that will continue to underpin long-term revenue visibility. Post-closing, the addition of Heidelberg and two other Proteus 1 orders brought 68 million of order intake, further strengthening IBA's market position. As you know, the expansion of our install base is a key driver of our strategic and financial plan. Our global footprint now consists of 46 operational sites, fairly evenly distributed across America, EMEA and APAC regions. As compared to the end of last year, two systems started treating patients in Asia, in China in particular, one in Shenzhen and one in Chengdu. In addition, we currently have an all-time high number of nine systems under installation and a further 29 projects in production across all three regions. This project represents the next wave of growth for IBA, supporting both near-term revenue visibility and the continued expansion of our global reach in providing proton therapy access to all patients that could benefit from it. We maintain our market leadership in proton therapy with one system sold over the first half and three additional post-closing of the period. As a result, IBA has by far the largest install base in the market with close to half the rooms in operation. This provides us not only with operational leverage, but also with the most robust platform to promote proton therapy together with our clinical partners. Prototherapy equipment sales more than doubled, significantly driving our top line. This remarkable growth resulted from the strong acceleration of our backlog conversion with large-scale procurement activities in Spain, China, and the U.S., and nine installations ongoing. This year, our supply chain is delivering a record number of 12 systems for prototherapy, a unique performance in the industry. Our service revenue grew by 4%, supported by our expanding install base and strong performance in system of time. Services contributed to 40% of the ProtonTherapy top line. As a result, Revit improved by 3.6 million euros during the period. This brings us closer to our target of achieving breakeven Revit level in ProtonTherapy by the end of 2025. That said, profitability continues to be impacted by the delivery of legacy lower-margin projects in Spain and China, as well as by few significant customer-related delays that have resulted in notable cost overruns. The weight of this project on our overall project portfolio is nonetheless fading over time. Dosimetry delivered a solid performance in the period. Top line grew by 9%, driven by strong backlog conversion, particularly in proton therapy, quality assurance, and conventional radiation therapy. Profitability is also improved, with the gross margin increasing by 2.3%, points to 46%. and structural efficiency gains. These have been driven by increased volume at the Shanghai factory, as well as the successful relocation of Moduc production in Germany. Revit more than doubled to €200 million, putting the business back on track. Competitive intensity is increasing, especially in the US, and tariffs are expected to weigh more heavily on the US and Chinese activities. Importantly, dosimetry remains unaffected by the recent procurement restrictions for medical devices between Europe and China. I hand over now to my co-CEO Henri to comment on the performance of IBA technologies.

Thank you, Olivier. Let's first have a look at the strategic progress of the industrial and radiopharma business units. On the industrial solution side, I would like to highlight a few key achievements for the first period. Firstly, in terms of expanding in our technology, I would mention the good market dynamics in EV X-ray sterilization, as illustrated by our contract with the major US sterilization player, Steritech. Another important development, in line with our ambition to expand along the value chain, importantly risking milestones for the development of an industrial scale solution for PFAS decontamination. More concretely, we have run multiple tests with different samples of PFAS loaded water and carbon filters in order to optimize irradiation conditions and maximize throughput. Leveraging on these additional results, our next step is to develop an industrial scale pilot unit partnering with industrial and potentially public stakeholders, following our Capital Light approach to new ventures. Turning now to Radio Pharma Solutions, I would like to highlight our commercial momentum in both emerging and mature markets and applications. For instance, we have sold a high-energy cyclone, IGON, to a customer in Taiwan and four cyclone tubes systems in the US as part of a single order to a CDMO company. The IBA cyclone tube indeed provides unique value to a customer with approximately a doubling of production output versus our nearest competitor. Additionally, we launched CASI, a new compact synthesizer platform to produce radio metals, which reinforces our offering in the fast-growing radiochemistry segment, in line with our strategic focus. In the field of teranostics, we are making solid progress with the development of a dedicated alpha cyclotron for the production of Astatine 211, the next generation of highly anticipated theranostics after Leucasium-477 and Actinium-225. IBA technologies equipment backlog decreased over the half of the year, given the strong conversion and the H2 waving of order intake in industrial solutions. As you know, we do not report any service backlog data for technologies, as these are mostly related to short-term one-year maintenance contracts with no permanent presence of an IBA team on site. Looking now at the financial results, I'm pleased to share the excellent performance of IPA technologies in the first half of 2025. Net sales grew by 30% year-on-year to $115 million, driven by both a faster conversion of our equipment backlog and increasing services sales from our growing install base. As a result, rebates almost doubled versus last year, reaching 13.1 million, supported by a favorable product mix as well as disciplined cost management. As pointed out by Olivier in his introduction, technologies posted a sound level of order intake with the sale of 14 accelerator systems at a higher average price than last year.

Let us now address a barrier to entry affecting certain markets, namely the US and China. As far as US tariffs are concerned, uncertainty has reduced, with duties set at 15% for imports out of European Union, without exemption for medical devices. We confirmed the overall assessment share during our Capital Market Day in April, and have more precisely estimated the impact over the full year 2025. there will be a marginal impact on our equipment backlog profitability and a negligible one on our service activities. As far as order intake is concerned, we have seen limited to no impact at this stage for proton therapy, possibly considering that these projects are developed and operated over the long term with an economic lifetime exceeding 20 years. and that the proton therapy equipment value would usually represent less than half of the total investment. For radiopharma and industrial solutions, there is a limited to no local competition with local manufacturing, meaning that we remain competitive. In those events, the overall impact of tariffs has been negligible in H1, yet it is expected to become more significant in H2, where local competition may amplify effects. That said, we have been proactively expanding our global supply chain for some time, which should partially mitigate top-line and profitability pressures. Though not related to tariff, we would also like to comment on the one big beautiful bill, which may limit reimbursement for proton therapy treatment delivered to Medicaid patients. As per our assessment, the impact should be limited. as Medicaid patients typically represent a low proportion of the center's patient mix. Let's now take a look at China, which typically represents approximately 15% of our revenues. In July, China announced restrictions on government purchase of medical devices from European origin, valued at over 45 million yuan, or about 5.4 million euros. As restrictions are related to large medical devices only, our proton therapy equipment activities are impacted, while the other business units are out of scope. As far as our multi-room Proteus Plus solution is concerned, we are exempt from restrictions thanks to our strategic partnership with the local company CGM. However, the future development of our single-room segment market are currently under review. We are considering different paths, including seeking exemptions, securing a local partnership as we did with CGM, and or developing local sources. Let's move on to IBA Corporate. I will now give the floor to Catherine, who orchestrates

Thank you very much Olivier and good afternoon everyone. Let's start with an update on our new ventures. We are pleased to report good progress from Pantera, our joint venture launched with the Belgian Nuclear Research Centre SCKCN. Pantera began the production in small batches of Actinium Latune to support clinical trials. This is a significant positive step for the company and for the development of actinium-based treatments. Besides, Pantera has secured its construction and nuclear safety permits, which is also an important milestone to break ground on its large-scale facility in early Q4 this year. Finally, all Pantera shareholders agreed to release the third tranche of the Series A capital increase, which triggered an evaluation of IBS participation in August. This resulted in a 7.2 million increase in the value of this participation, while OSH eroding was deducted to 34.8%. Moving now to Normandy Hadron Therapy, the company is at a turning point for the development of its carbon therapy solutions. The goal of the cyclotron was installed on site and is cooling down before the start of tuning activities, which is an important perisking milestone. Besides, the project is gaining commercial traction with prospects in the U.S. and Asia, thanks to its unique compact multi-particle technology. However, procurement delays and high inflation during the development phase have created a refinancing need. IBA, as a 39% shareholder together with the other main shareholders, has contributed to a bridge financing, while the long-term fundraising effort is ongoing. Closing is targeted by Q2 2026. In another area, MI2 Factory, or investment in the field of semiconductors, is currently finalizing the specifications of the first machine to be developed by IBA, following an in-depth review of market requirements. Let's now close the business review section and move to the financials in more detail. As outlined in the highlights, profitability has improved thanks to top line growth, despite some margin effect and OPEX increase in nominal amounts. Profits before tax turned positive as a result. Those margin effects are due to the respective contributions of the group entities, with a higher share of pronto-therapy activities, and also to the project mix across the business units, with a lot of backlog conversion on projects with a lower margin. Let's now focus on the evolution of OPEX, explain different efficiency measures that we are implementing, and take you through the below-read guide. OPEX increased by 8.6 million, but remained well under control and 26% of net sales below a long-term guidance of maximum 30% of sales. This evolution is driven by general and administrative expenditures to support the future growth of the business, such as digital initiatives and organizational transformation. OPEX also includes selected investment in R&D, mainly related to advancements in imaging, dynamic arc and CASI in radiopharma solutions. Selling and marketing expenses remain stable at 15 to 16 million. Increasing profitability is one of our top priorities. As you know, this is a key element of our strategic and financial plan, and very concrete measures have been identified that will enable us to secure and grow our margin in the future. I would like to highlight a few of those measures as an illustration of our priorities and their concrete impacts. In each one, we have focused on services, where we are strengthening on product reliability and scaling our service model to improve customers' and IBA's economics, targeting more than 1 million savings in 2025 and expecting more than 2 million of performance-related revenue improvements. We have also launched a broad-based initiative tackling our indirect OPEX, In R&D, for instance, we are maturing our operating model to accelerate innovation and bring product to market faster, expecting to deliver more than 1 million in productivity gains in 2025. We also focus on capturing indirect OPEX savings with tighter cost control, generating more than 1 million savings in 2025 of recurring nature. All the savings are included in the guidance we give, and their implementation is progressing well. Let me now promise the impact below remit. And there have been negative contributions over this semester. The two factors will drive a reversal over each few. The first one is and the second one is the re-evaluation of all investments following the release of the third tranche of the Series A capital increase which will have a position impact of 72 million. Another element relates to our migration towards a new ERP platform SAP for HANA. Execution is mostly taking place over 2025 with testing ongoing as we speak. The main phase of the project is Besides, our P&L was not immune to macroeconomic impacts with hyperinflation in Argentina, so slowing down still impacting our proton therapy project in Buenos Aires. We were also impacted by unfavorable evolution of the U.S. and Chinese currencies. As you know, our equipment project in foreign currencies are edged, but these impacts mostly relate to the revaluation of balance sheet position and are enforced hyperinflation in Argentina, the effect is expected to fade over time with significantly lower impact in 26 as the installation works come to an end. Operating cash flows were negative over each one due to working capital movements. While inventories remained stable, contracts in progress and advanced billing had a combined impact close to 90 million. This was a result This trend will gradually reverse in 2026, partly thanks to the delivery of the Spanish and Chinese projects, which triggered large milestone payments. However, since this impact was only partially compensated by an increase in payments, IBA used its revolving credit facilities up to 30 million as of June, and decided to tactically increase these credit lines from 60 to 80 million in July. This decision was made as a matter of financial discipline, given the current peak in the working capital cycle and the general business environment. On the investment side, CAPEX remained in line with previous periods, including the acquisition of a building in Ovalaner for approximately 2 million. Financial investment totaled 7.4 million, including a 3.9 million investment in MI2 and 3 million in loans to the benefit of Normandy Agrotherapy. In view of our business development and our financial performance over the first half of the year, we are very confident in our guidance for the full year, meaning a minimum rebate of 25 million at group level, supported by a return to profitability for ProtonTherapy. We also reiterate our medium-term outlook while being mindful of geopolitical developments, specifically the US tariff and Chinese restriction on import of medical devices. We will remain agile in relation to potential opportunities and challenges on our business fundamentals. While we expect better performance in the second half of the year, as it was the case over the last years, we anticipate a more balanced first and second half waiting than in 2024. More specifically, we expect IBA technologies to contribute less compared to H224 due to the pace of backlog conversion and product needs. I now leave the floor to Olivier for his closing remarks.

Thank you very much, Catherine. And when I look back at the first half of this year, I'm proud of the performance of our teams and grateful towards our partners, our customers, suppliers, shareholders, and financing partners. My key takeaways are the following. Order intake is more than encouraging in a volatile environment, confirming the added value of our solutions to our customers. We posted a strong financial performance across all our business units, with proton therapy achieving an impressive scale. We will continue to actively manage our cash position. And finally, these elements confirm that we are back on track for our 2025 full-year guidance. More generally, these results reinforce our confidence in our capabilities to execute and our ability to adapt in an evolving market conditions.

Thank you very much to the audience for listening to our results presentation. You will also find a financial calendar on this page. We will now move on to the Q&A session. Please raise your virtual hands if you have a question and then mute when we give you the floor, starting with a brief introduction of yourself. Okay, so starting with Laura.

Thank you for taking my question and congratulations on the results. I have three questions. First one on gross margin. How should we look at the evolution in H2 and more in general for the full year? Because if I understood correctly, it went down primarily due to the execution of lower margin projects, but you also mentioned some productivity improvements. To what extent can we expect these improvements to compensate in the end for the lower margin projects in H2? So that was the first one. Second one, in proton therapy, could you provide an update on China and more specifically on CGN? Because we didn't see a lot coming from their side so far. So I was wondering. if everything is still on track there, and also if you see Mevion stepping up in China, and does that have an impact? And then, finally, you mentioned in the press release a few significant customer-related delays that have resulted in notable costs over rents. So could you perhaps elaborate on these cost overruns and give us an idea of the other order of magnitudes of those, please? Thank you.

So I will start with your first question, Laura, relating to the gross margin. to see what we can expect in H2 in general gross margin being, of course, part of it. Like you highly mentioned, you need to read the expectation relating to H2 That's one element. Second element, you can expect H2 to be stronger than H1 in 2025. If you would use 2024 as a reference to try to estimate how H2 2025 would look like, That would go a step too far, let's say, so stronger H2 than H1, but less strong than what we had in 2024, so let's say a little bit more balanced than what we had in 2024. The progress that you can expect in H2 compared to H1, they will be mainly related to gross margin, and there I'm We expect, especially on gross margin, a stronger H2 than H1 in 2025, and it will come from different elements, and maybe some of them will play in different directions. The first element is that we expect a higher contribution of proton therapy, so clinical business, than technologies. But in proton therapy, we expect also projects with higher margin in H2 than we had in H1. Second element indeed, we communicated on the efficiencies and some of the efficiencies related to OPEX order to the gross margin indeed to make more concrete or guidance and to give you confidence in the fact that we will indeed grow the margin in H2 25 compared to H1 25. OPEX, last statement, next to gross margin we have OPEX. We expect OPEX to be brought in balance between H1 and H2.

On China, sorry, so on China, I think it's fair to say that the market has been slow over the last three, four years, mainly because it's true for all medical devices. across the board, it's approved for radiation therapy, then it's approved for phototherapy, mainly due to anti-corruption law that has stalled decision. So, CGN has been impacted by that, by the slow demand. Now, it's true that the licenses are out there, so we expect to see the market to resume in the next few years. CGN has signed two deals. One of them is active and currently going into installation. The other one is still waiting for confirmation and a done payment. But you rightfully picked that market share of CGN in China. is somehow around 30% due to the aggressiveness of one of the competitors and a faster shift of the Chinese market to single room. So this is something actually we currently assess with CGM and one of the reasons why we believe it's important for us to launch the Proteus One in China. when it comes to the go-to-market and with question mark on local production as we have disclosed in the presentation. So the market is due to resume. We believe we are very well positioned with CGN, especially in the context of regulation, current regulation between EU and China, but we also believe it's time for us to be more present with the single room together with CGN in the market to basically occupy together with them the single room niche that is opening in China as well.

I would mention two to three elements. The first one is the Spanish file that you know quite well, where we face some delay in the shipments of the equipment that we have built during H1-25N and earlier. And so there are some costs that we have to support linked to that, related to our storage facilities, related to the fact that we need to maintain the installation on all sides, and so at all costs. To, let's see, offering the costs in funding and so on and so forth. So that's one element on which I can comment on the cost, because it's part of discussion. of health in Spain. Next to that, we have also some, let's say, cost overrun linked to emerging geographies, like, for example, Argentina, and there you see the cost, especially hyperinflation below rebates in the press release.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. We're going to move to Michiel. I think he has dropped David.

Michiel, we don't hear you if you try to talk. Is it better now?

It's better, yes. Thank you. Hi, Michiel. Yes, hi, sorry, thanks for taking my questions here from KBC Securities. I have two questions, please. First one is quite straightforward, just on the free cash flow and the working capital drag in the first half. This was already well-flagged, of course, previously, and you mentioned a bit of a normalization and improvement in 2026. But looking at the second half, what should we expect there? Should we expect continued investment in the working capital or already some improvements? That's the first question. And the second question would be on the PT activity. So you mentioned that despite the tariffs and the big beautiful bill that the activity in the US remains high. in the press release you also mentioned that in the short term you don't expect any big impact from that big bill because of the the lower share of of medicaid but looking a bit further down the line this will of course weigh on the on the budgets of the of the hospitals in the longer term do you see any hesitation here from from the hospitals or how are they looking at this because of course proton therapy is quite a big investment, so I'm interested to hear your views on that point in the longer term.

So I will take the first question on the free cash flow. And I will start by saying, unfortunately, there is no simple answer to your question. I heard you say it's a straightforward question. Why am I saying there is no simple answer? Because it all depends on, let's say, evolution of different elements. The first one is the general under-intake and non-payment that we have. So under the FIIs. But the second one is linked to the Spanish file, which is, let's say, creating the bulk of these working capital movements that we see. And there, there are different scenarios. The first scenario is that, based on the dialogue that we have initiated with the Minister of Health, we can find some kind of agreement on a reading of the public tender that was organized and get paid while, let's say, equipment is not necessarily shipped exactly on the hospital. If we are able to reach such an agreement, of course, the situation will improve or however, it's not the most likely scenario. Like I said, the material has been ordered based on a public tender, and like you know, rules in public tenders are used to be strictly interpreted, and that's where we are today, that's what we are facing today, a rather strict interpretation of the public tender rules and conditions that we set. Alternatively, we will start shipping the material in 2025 and 2026. So based on the information we have from the Spanish Minister of Health, the hospital should be ready for one of them in 2025 and for the other of them in 2026. So in total, it's about three hospitals that we are talking. In that case, the reversal will take place gradually, and I would then not expect, in this situation, I would not expect an improvement by year ends of this year. So I would take a rather conservative approach in this one, with still an adept position.

Thank you, Catherine. When it comes to phototherapy adoption in the U.S., I have to say it's quite the opposite. You know, the excitement for phototherapy modality in the U.S. is increasing on the back of what we have presented during the Capital Market Day, which is the first ever level one clinical evidence published by MD Anderson. on head and neck, and the PI has actually made a number of presentations when in the five-year follow-up, he's showing a better survival rate for the proton therapy arm, which is kind of super exciting for the field. The point that we've made and that we are making together with our clinical partner in the U.S. and everywhere in the world is that, yes, maybe CAPEX is high when it comes to proton therapy, but it's a super cost-effective way to treat a number of indications, starting with the neck. And this level one clinical evidence is really rebuilding a fantastic momentum, in particular in the U.S. for the demand in proton therapy. So we have seen the big guys basically doubling up or reconfirming their proton program. We have disclosed in the past the expansion of UPEN, MGH refurbishment. But we see all the big guys moving again or issuing tenders for increasing their capacity. As you know, MD Anderson has published a tender to add capacity in Houston and potentially I think it's quite the opposite. So, first of all, the clinical evidence is coming. Number two, the cost-effectiveness of proton therapy becomes more clear. And new innovation makes it even more cost-effective, namely Dynamic Arc. Dynamic Arc will increase the capacity of a number of our customers, so they will be able to treat more patients more effectively. without decreasing the quality of the treatment, which will further improve the business case or the clinical case, if I may say so, of the proton therapy everywhere in the world. But we know that the U.S. is usually the market where things are happening faster. So my expectation is to see an uptake in the demand for proton therapy in the U.S. over the next 24 months.

Thank you. Nice to hear.

Now we can move to David.

Good afternoon, everyone. David Wegman from ING. Thanks for taking my question. So the first one is on China and on basically the interdiction or the impossibility of exporting to China the Proteus 1 as it is now. Could you give us a... So you elaborated a bit on possible alternatives. I heard it. But could you give us a rough idea of the potential cost of opportunity if you were not addressing at all the potential P1 market there? So compared to your 2028 sales target of 5%, 7%. So what is at stake? What is the risk there? Second question on your growth investment on the OPEX side. They're actually quite under control for a year of 30% sales growth this year. So should we still expect the OPEX to grow to, you know, like roughly, I think, 30% of sales by 2028? So how fast could this growth investment happen on the OPEX side? And then last question, a bit on the mysterious comment I would say in the press release about your financial structure. So you're saying that management is reviewing the financial structure to ensure it remains aligned with the evolving working capital cycle and planned strategic investment. So, yeah, and this is monitoring the IBA growth strategy. So what does it exactly mean? Thank you.

Thank you for your question, David. I will start with the first one on China and cost of opportunities. And I will be very clear and go quickly on this one because in the guidance that was communicated to you at the Capital Market Day, there were no assumptions regarding new sales in China for proton therapy. And so everything that would come on top, I'm speaking about P1, it was also your question P1, everything that would come on top would be, let's say, something nice compared to the guidance, it would be an upside. So you were asking how much at risk there for P1, answer is zero.

If I may add on that, I'm just back from China, by the way. So I think we have genuinely a superior technology than whatever is available in the Chinese market with ProtegeOne. And here I speak specifically on the single-room market. So there is an exemption rule that we are very actively... you know, investigating, actually with the support of the Belgian diplomacy and the European diplomacy. And if they are on the call, I would like to thank them for the support. So that's one way to go. The other way to go, as you know, David, IBA is for a long time in China. We have many, many, many friends there. And we have one big friend called CGM, which is fully geared up for local production with Proteus Plus. But it's certainly a way that we could activate pretty fast, should we need to do so. So I agree with Catherine, it's indeed an upside, but it's an upside we are determined to go get. So that's something we... And on top of that, as Catherine has said, we're super well positioned when it comes to Protease Plus. So that's something not to be underestimated.

On OPEX, so like I already mentioned, OPEX in H2 should be broad So, you might have a slight increase, you know, in each two components. in 25 would be lower than the 30%. And then on the mysterious sentence that you were referring to, I would comment saying that I think it's just part of normal initiative of a new starting CFO to review the funding of the company, to review the long-term balances, long-term assets, long-term liabilities. and to go deep in the understanding of the needs of the company, evolving working capital cycle, possible future investments. So there will be nothing special behind this sentence, except of course that it's an exercise that is only normal for the management of a company like ITV.

Okay, thanks very much. Maybe a very quick follow-up on the OPEX. I was also referring, because I heard you comment on H2, I was also referring to 2026, 7 and 8. So if you're still, you know, ambitioning to get to 30% of sales by 2028, how fast you wanted to do these growth investments, because then we don't have that much of a step up this year. But then I would expect, like, another 20%. If you grow 10%, let's say, this year, that we have then another 20%, you know, of growth, a bit roughly, in OPEX in the coming years.

No, so that's not what we are expecting. And so coming back to the guidance, like it was said, it was a wrong, But there is something that you need to read also with the gross margin altogether. But no, we don't expect to go up to 30% next year.

The thing it has to do is strategic opportunities as well. And one of them, if I speak for IDA Clinical, is market access for proton therapy. So we are closely monitoring when and how much is appropriate to invest to accelerate the penetration of proton therapy. Same thing on the innovation, keeping in mind, as Catherine has said, the development of the gross margin, the growth of the market, as well as our commitment not to grow apex, you know, certainly not above 30%. That's something we monitor.

Okay, thanks very much. I'll go back to the queue.

There could be no further hands raised, so Simon, go ahead please.

Yes, good afternoon and thank you for taking my question. Just elaborating on the question before on the costs, in the first half were there any additional costs for that market access increase for Prototherapy and the innovation in Astatin and can you quantify them?

So for market access, it's very easy, very final. So it's something that we are still assessing.

And when it comes to a satin, I leave the floor to... So Simon, we did great progress in terms of developing that dedicated machine. So yes, there were some costs incurred. And I'm not giving you the exact details. But there was an amount indeed allocated to that in the first semester. as we said we would do in this year. Okay.

And on Astatin, we're still waiting for a final agreement with your partner, right? Is there a term on that? Would that happen before year-end? Because you are spending money without having a clear cost division, I have the feeling.

Simon, I think it's a good push. So you refer to the discussions we had with Framatome, and in any case we would be the party developing the machine. And so what is it that we engage to develop that machine is for sure not lost. It's really part of our willingness to be playing a leading role in Astatine 211. The partnership with Ramatome is one way to further develop in that market. You may have noticed that the CEO of Ramatome has been appointed CEO of EDF in France. As a change of CEO, we incurred a bit of resetting in those conversations that stays very positive. And at the moment, whether there will be something concrete out of that will keep you appraised.

Thank you. I can support what Henriette just said. You know, Ramatome or not, Astatine 211 is a fantastic opportunity for IBA to sell dedicated cyclotron, and it's our duty to actually invest into the development of a new platform to be able to play a role when this market will take place.

And then maybe an additional one on China. Today how many Proteus similar single rooms are in the market and secondly, I mean it sounds almost evident that you go together with CJEN on this one and would that involve, I mean for the Proteus Plus that was quite a nice investment we saw of over 100 million. Could that be also something that we can still expect on the single room if you would go a route that is similar as the Proteus Plus?

So, today in reality in China there is one single room treating patients. It's always difficult to comment on the deals that have been signed because, as you know, IBA has a very strict policy when it comes to announce deals, which is not always followed by unlisted competitors. So I think there's a number of deals that have been announced. For sure, I would say three of them are real. One is treating patients. so it's a preliminary sign that the single role segment is opening indeed and you know you refer to the licensing agreement licensing is one way to go but it's not the only way so it's a possibility but it's not a certainty and I cannot comment further I think Yeah, there is nothing to say about that at this stage.

Yeah. Just maybe, CGN producing Proteus Plus or producing Proteus One, it's very similar or not? Would it involve a big change for them in the setup? No, eh?

Well, you know, you have the infrastructure and you came and visited our factory here before, so you know that to produce a Proteus One cyclotron, is actually required a bit less of infrastructure than the Proteus Plus. But having said that, the technology is very different, so it requires a different set of skills, different set of technologies, different set of suppliers. So it's a bit of work. It's not something you do overnight.

Okay, thank you.

There seems to be no further questions. This one is the last minute. Turning one. In that case, please let me thank you all very much for your support and attention. We're all looking forward to continuing the dialogue with you, so we wish you a very nice day or end of day. David, sorry, you raised your hand.

No, that's fine. That's fine. We can leave it at that.

Okay.

Super. Thank you very much. Good day to you all.

Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.