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Thank you for standing by and welcome to the IDO Limited First Quarter FY26 results call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you'll need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr Ivan Vela, Managing Director and CEO. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Darcy. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining and thanks for those accommodating our time change. We just wanted to avoid a clash. I'm sure you've all got a busy morning of calls lined up. Kath's with me again this morning, our CFO. She'll cover some of the financials. I'll jump in and run through a bit of a summary and then we can get into some Q&A. First of all, on safety, look, we signposted last quarter that The results of the hard work we did through 2024 are starting to flow through and we saw that again through the last quarter. We're delighted to see a period of over 90 days without an injury and that for IGO is a record as far as I can see back in the history and an indication of that steady improvement in the way that we're managing safety and the maturity for our operations. The trip has started to trend down which we'd expect and that should continue as we keep the focus up. Still lots to do. There's no question you don't turn safety around and build a strong, mature set of systems and culture overnight but I'm pleased to see that steady progress. In terms of the operations, I'll start on greenbushes and what's very clear obviously is the production was well down from prior quarters and that was a function predominantly of grade and you'll see that in the fine details in the quarterly report. It was quite a step down from previous quarters and that's a function of where we are in the mine plan. I'll come back and talk more to that in a minute but a big impact from that. Of course, that was then compounded by weather. Many of you will know that southwestern Australia had one of its wettest years in a very long time and particularly down in the southwest, that's very impactful. both in terms of impacting ore movement or material movement but also covering, standing water covering parts of the ore body and the ability for us to access that was limited. So that flowed through into sales, obviously unit costs, still great to see through the cycle. Right at the bottom here we're generating nearly 60% of our margins despite some of those challenges. On Nova, look, tracking the plan really, it's getting to the end of the all-body. We signposted that and said we've got a tight plan and I think we had a couple of strong quarters to finish late last financial year. This first quarter, well, it's caught to the misfire in a minute, but aside from that, actually tracked really well. The team's doing a good job managing the challenges. It is complex and more difficult as they have less options And obviously the ability for them to flex their schedules are much more limited, but they've managed through that well and Nova's continuing to perform as expected. On Kornana, look, a lift in performance there and it's been a long time coming that step from what was done in the shutdown late last year. Naturally that flows through into conversion costs and other factors. And for us, you know, every bit of improvement is a real positive and something that does reduce the cash burn. And so that's, I guess, how I look at it, the good work the team's doing. And I've been nothing but supportive and given them credit. They try extremely hard to work on the asset to try and get it stable, to try and get it to perform. And that does reduce the cash impact. Ultimately, it doesn't change the long-term economics in our view, but It is nice to see those improvements. They're also being, you know, very frugal with cost and capex and so on. There's certainly no waste there. It's just a very challenged asset with a very difficult pathway to full production. More broadly, look, I won't get into the financials. Kath will cover those. But, I mean, other key highlights to take away, I think the Forrestania transaction is progressing and we expect that will close as sort of signposted later this year. And Cosmos, you know, a big milestone, which is a sad moment, but we took the decision to stop dewatering the Odysseus mine, the underground nickel there, after a pretty extensive technical economic assessment. Hard call, but, you know, that's a function of where the nickel market's at and the challenges of extracting that ore economically. So those are some of the highlights. Let me just dig into green bushes in a bit more depth, cover a few things there. I mentioned the grade being, you know, obviously a primary driver of performance there and there is a big pushback underway which I've talked about in previous quarters. That's progressing. At the end of the day, that opens up that high-grade core which is where all that, you know, critical value is and, you know, that's still a work in progress hence why we're seeing this sort of step down in grade. Naturally, as we finish the work on that life of mine optimisation and open up the mine plan, we'll try and look to stabilise grade, but ultimately you want to drive value first and foremost, and the grade isn't consistent across the ore body, and so we'll work through that and determine what's the best schedule and sequence to get through that. The Taliesin team are doing some great work there. Speaking of that work, the life and mine optimisation work is continuing and we'll naturally see some real benefits from that as they get into that more deeply, understand what part of the ore body will be accessed through the surface mine, what part might come through underground and ultimately how we get the best value from the ore body. In parallel to that, and I think you can almost consider it two separate pieces of work, is a broad productivity program. Adam Malaspina is up and running and doing a stellar job there as COI working with Rob and he's got a deep pedigree in this kind of productivity program, got that stood up looking at asset management, looking at throughput and recoveries, all of the different aspects that you'd expect and again, we've talked about broadly in context in the previous quarters, he's getting those programs moving and obviously that'll start delivering results quarter on quarter. That's, I guess, the key headline for Greenbushes. I mentioned that sales is lower quarter on quarter, which is a flow through from production. And, you know, the last point to note is probably just pricing. And there was quite a lot of volatility through the quarter. And we, as you know, have a one month lag on our pricing. So as that washes through, we'll see the pricing play out. Overall, what we have seen, though, is the realized pricing that Greenbushes is achieving is actually really strong if we look back through the trend and compare it with our peers in the industry. So a very simple model. There's no big sales and marketing effort. It really is just a one-month lag on the PRAs and that actually delivers a pretty good outcome. On NOVA, not too much more to add there really. I think just to talk to the MISFIRE, there was one stoke there that had MISFIRE which I guess first and foremost didn't result in any safety. and then in terms of recovering it, that's where the safety starts and the team did an extremely good job risk assessing that and working through how they'd recover it. They've done an outstanding job and effectively there's not going to be any long-term impact in our mine plan. There may be a small amount of tonnes that we don't recover, which we're assessing at the moment, but ultimately the team's worked through that The other point to note there is the closure planning. That's progressing well. We've got a very strong team on that and as again we've signposted, our intent is to have the study work done, the approvals in place so that we can move directly to closure at the end of production late next year once the oil bodies run out. On the lithium production at Kwinana, I think I've covered the key points, you know, step up in production related, step down in the unit conversion costs. CapEx was pretty modest. The team is into a shutdown this month and, you know, there's obviously more projects focused around that. But overall, you know, the team has continued to work extremely hard to try and get the asset to perform. to lift production rates, to continue to deliver high levels of battery grade product and give them full credit for that. As I said though, it doesn't change the degree of challenge on the economics for the asset. As we look into the industry, I'm sure everyone on the call knows that the Chinese refineries are extremely competitive, running at about 3,000 a tonne US, some actually below that but That's kind of the benchmark in the industry and it's very difficult to see Australian or to be honest Western refineries getting anywhere near that level of performance. Not dissimilar to other processes like copper or aluminium where China continues to demonstrate extremely capable downstream processing in the way that's operating. I'll hand off to Kath in a sec. Maybe just a couple of other quick points. On exploration, we put in a small update in the call. I didn't put a slide in on it, but, you know, there's a number of lithium targets that we've been working through testing and will continue through this field season and probably some run into next year. Nothing more to report at that point. Continuing to rationalise the ground and clean up the portfolio across our exploration team, the tenements, We've gone through the fine-tooth comb and we're managing that quite well. There is some generative work going on around copper, again, which I've mentioned previously. Nothing material to report at this point, but the team's got some interesting things they're working through. And I've already covered Cosmos and Forestania in terms of the key news there. So, look, I might hand off to Kath to just run through some of the key highlights and the financials.

Good morning, everybody. Slipping through the financials this quarter, revenue was down with Nova having won less copper shipment and also realised prices being lower. The Nova EBITDA was lower on the back of lower revenues and underlying share of net profit from TLEA was also down from the lower sales at Greenbushes. It's important to note that we are expensing capital at Kwinana, having impaired the asset to zero. Underlying EBITDA was higher as it includes a movement in the mark-to-market listed investments, with the prior quarter impacted by the expensing of rehab habilitation provision, which increased last period. We remain laser-focused on cost, noting that corporate costs continue to trend down, and you will see in the cash flow that it is a higher number. That's a timing issue around payment of short-term incentives only. There's a reduction in costs at our care and maintenance side, including the decision to cease the dewatering at Cosmos and heading towards the completion of the sale of Forestania, as Ivan noted. And we've got reduced capital spend at Nova, where we expect the run rate to continue to reduce as we head towards closure. Free crash flow was positive at 15 mil, and this included 12 mil of spend on care and maintenance at Cosmos and Forestania sites. Finally, our balance sheet was further strengthened with net cash increasing to $287 million. I'll hand back to Ivan now to give a summary.

Thanks, Kath. Well, I think let's jump into some Q&A from here.

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star 2. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Hugo Nicolacci from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Ivan and Kath. Thanks for the update this morning. I just wanted to dig into the grade and weather piece more at green bushes, particularly given the simplified disclosure. No longer has the mine physicals in it. Are you able to just give us some colour on those physicals and weather? This was more a mine or processing plant impact around weather and grade, just given I think at last quarter you had the better part of five months of ROM stocks there. So I presume it would be more of a mine and grade impact, but just any colour there would be helpful.

Yeah, thanks, Hugo. It is. Look, it's mine-related. The processing plants are fine. I mean, there's work to do on them in terms of maintenance and asset performance, but the driver here is from the mine. The weather impacts, as I said, in two parts. One, just material movements. Trucks are moving slower, cycle times are longer. There's just more impacts because you lose productivity with all of the wet impact. The second is just standing water through the pit and access to that high-grade core, which means that we're drawing off either lower-grade stockpiles, in some case oxidised material, and, of course, some of the lower-grade material in the pit So, you know, it's a confluence of events that affects us. But, you know, the core of this is that pushback on that western side of the main pit, which exposes that high-grade core as that's completed and that's ongoing through into early next calendar year. Once that opens up, of course, we have a nice runway looking forward. I know Rob is working to try and, as he gets through the lifetime on optimisation, to just think through the pit sequence, the mining sequence, and try and stabilise this as much as possible. Value first, but equally, you know, just trying to get the very best out of the plants. We don't want to have to adjust those dramatically, because that affects recoveries and overall throughput performance.

Excellent. So then, in terms of how you expect the rest of FY26 to look, I appreciate that the calendar year is still going to be budgeted for the JV,

You've called this roughly in line with plans, I guess, relative to FY26 guidance. Should we expect production to pick up quarter on quarter from here or is December likely to still see some impacts and it's more of a second half story?

Yeah, it's more a second half story, Hugo, that this quarter will be similar. Obviously, we have less of the wet weather. All that said, it's been raining again today. I don't know when we're supposed to be in this beautiful period of just 200 days of sunshine in WA and it keeps raining but No, I think the weather's less of an issue now. It's really just more about where they are in the mine sequence and that'll impact this quarter. So we're going to see the second half of the financial year, i.e. the first part of 2026 is where we'll see that lift. We don't see any cause to change guidance. I mean, we saw the mine plan. We saw what was coming and put that forward. I know everyone thought that that was, you know, We don't know where CGB3, how quickly that will ramp up. That's probably still the wild card. We've put in a view based on what we expect on the plan but at this point that guidance really looks quite sound.

Got it and then just if I could just put some numbers around the mine piece in the quarter. Last quarter you did 1.4 million tonnes at 1.86. I think where did that sit this quarter?

Sorry, we just got a bit of background noise as you came through. Can you just repeat that?

Oh, sorry, just on the mine physicals, just in terms of ore tonnage and grade, able to give a little bit of colour there?

Oh, you mean just general material movements and so on? Yep. Look, yeah, it's down through this period just because of the weather. As I said, you're naturally not getting the same truck movements and productivity. But overall, Rob and Adam have been stepping that up on material movements, so... I think as they get through winter, that productivity will improve. They're far from what you would call good, and I think I've been quite open and candid that the contractor performance there has not been at what I would call industry average or standard, and they're working on it. I think there's a great program. Rob's had very intense focus on it, and they are making improvements, but Look, in terms of progress to plan, I think we're comfortable in making the headway through the strip.

Great. Thanks a lot.

Thanks, Hugo.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Daniel Morgan from Baron Joey. Please go ahead.

Hi, Ivan. Just a question about market communication, I guess. So, I mean, the grade in the mine sequence, obviously, you've you know, outlined today, that's a big driver of the mining physicals that we've seen at Greenbushes in addition to weather, which can be unpredictable. But when you communicated with the market and gave guidance, why not just simply flag, hey, you know, market, don't forget, or just FYI, there's going to be a grade that's going to be a bit lower in Q1, Q2?

Sure, sure, Dan. I mean, we can do our best there. function of what we can share through our JV. We'll keep that in mind and do our best to keep you guys informed so you can see the variability through the year.

Yeah, thank you. And I guess the second question I've got is just the intention with CGP3 and the collective JV mood on how you're going to ramp that up. Is that going to be very much subject to the speed of that ramp-up, is that going to be subject to market conditions and the improvement there? And I guess if the market is not sufficiently strong to run everything, might there be a decision to take down and do a big maintenance program at some of the other concentrators to have a look and go, well, let's see if we can improve, do recovery improvements or whatever it is to make them best in class so that when the market improves, you're running well?

No. Look, we've got a clear plan as I sort of signposted last quarter as well. The plan is to ramp it up as quickly as possible. There's no change to that. The two customers who are also owners are very keen to see those tons flowing. That's the plan and that's all we're working towards. So we're pushing the team on construction to hurry up and get finished and hand it off. The ops team are ready. They've already... permission the dry plant. There's a bunch of material already crushed and waiting as a stockpile to start feeding the wet plant. As soon as that's finished, they can start commissioning and get on with it.

Okay. Thanks very much for your perspective, Zong.

Thanks, Dan.

Thank you. Your next question comes from John Sharp from CLSA. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi, Ivan and team. Just a question regarding the dividends. So Winfield, they paid a 50 mil dividend to JB Partners in September. Just when do you expect TLA to pass these distributions on to IGA?

Look, so, John, yeah, with a relatively modest dividend from... from green bushes or wind field. That said, nice to see that it's such a strong cash conversion at the site even through the bottom of the cycle. It's generating cash and we're covering all of that growth capex and so on. The distribution to TLEA, obviously we need to make sure we can fund the work at Kornana. While there have been improvements there, it's still every time it's produced effectively costs us money. And I don't expect any of that money to float back out to the shareholders of TLEA, i.e. TLC and IGO at this point.

Okay, thanks. And just interested in your thoughts on there's been recent commentary about a floor price for lithium producers. Another producer talked about the unintended consequences of such a policy. Just interested in your view, how you see this. Would it be good? Would it be bad? What your thoughts on unintended consequences are?

Thanks. Look, John, I'm not going to comment more broadly on the market position. I think the takeaway is that the Australian government, the US government or the Western governments are recognising the criticality of critical minerals and the need to support diversified production there. They're trying to find the best pathways to do that, and I think that's something we should all thank them for and recognise. It's great to see a little bit of sunlight and interest in our industry. There are various mechanisms how they do it. I mean, I think there's a good consultation process they're going through to manage and come up with the best pathways, and, you know, I support the work they're doing.

Thanks, Simon.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Matthew Friedman from MST Financial. Please go ahead.

Sure. Thanks. Morning, Ivan and Kath. Ivan, maybe a bit of a high-level one from me. It's coming up on two years in the job for you. Clearly a lot has changed in the business, but over that time, IGO has underperformed all the other Australian-looking producers. Compared to your peers, you haven't had a major governance crisis. You haven't had to raise capital. You've got the best asset, you're actually growing production, you've got a strong balance sheet, but clearly the market is choosing not to value these attributes. Talking to investors, they might point to a lack of clarity over the life of mine plan and the value that's inherent in greenbushes, or maybe they might point to the poor performance at Kwinana. which I guess in my mind both link back to the more fundamental issue, which is really a perceived lack of influence in the JV. So I know that's a lot of words, but really the question is, you know, now two years into the role, you know, the business had a strategy refresh a year ago. Looking forward now, what's the timeline now for shareholders to expect a resolution to these issues? Thanks.

Okay, thanks, Matt. And I think it's a good roundup of the key issues, and I've been... quite open about that. Naturally, the ability to look through into I guess a full perspective on Greenbush's, its potential, its performance and so on, we're feeding it out more backward looking and I know as Rob and he's only just a year in the job now, as he gets through that optimisation work and he lays it out, his ability to share that with us and inform the market I think is very important. So I think that will be a key factor. Secondly, I guess, is then just the overhang that Kwinana presents as a drag on the cash generation and the benefit that flows out of green bushes. You know, I guess two years ago or so when I started, there was probably still some optimism in the market around the refinery and essential there, something that we spent time studying pretty hard and trying to deeply understand the economics and the potential there and we came to a conclusion that both the asset itself and the positioning in the Australian context was pretty challenged, hence the view that we took on it. And that obviously then translates into some conversations that are ongoing with Tianxi about the JV and the structure there, which is not complete. I can't give you a timeframe or a date for that. It's work that we're working through. And we expect that as that's resolved, that will unlock some of the discount or some of the anxiety that probably sits around the potential of green bushes. That said, I think also, you know, in a low point of the cycle, and, you know, no one's got a crystal ball to see how the lithium oil plays out, but to expect that it continues at this level forever is probably not realistic. Naturally, when you're in that low ebb, Those negatives are amplified. I can imagine that the price moves, the cash is flowing, things look very different because this is a very highly leveraged asset and you can imagine with the extra production coming online from CGP3, when you flow that through, that's going to have a significant impact on the cash generation for all of the joint venture partners. So you've summarised the issues. We're working very hard on them. I think we've been quite transparent about the work and the issues and I see that as critical outcomes to unlock some of the discount on our equity.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks, Ivan. Maybe not so much a follow-up as a general comment, but myself and other analysts have asked repeatedly for I guess some more specifics around these ongoing optimisation studies. I think your share price would tell you that that's a little bit too general for the most material assets. And the market's telling you that they want more clarity on the assets. And additionally, arguably, you've got an obligation there to your shareholders, I guess, despite the commerciality elements of the JV. So I know you said you're not able to give it currently, but certainly any specific timeline of what you're wanting to capture in those studies and the timing of when you'd like to release them to the market would, I think, be very, very welcome. So thanks for that.

Yeah, I completely understand that, and we're working hard on that. So your point's well made.

Thanks, Ivan.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Tim Hoff from Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Yeah, I was largely looking at similar questioning to Matt's line of questioning, but just wanted to confirm that that optimisation study will come out to the market in some form. Like, I know obviously it's not going to be as comprehensive as what you see, but we will get to see that, I presume, this year.

Well, yeah, look, Tim, once the team's done their work and they're ready to share that, we'll work through that with the joint venture. and then determine exactly what and how we share that. So, I mean, naturally, everyone's got an interest in telling that story about green bushes. But I think letting the team work through and make sure they've got a comprehensive answer and they've worked through all of the different questions is important. So I don't have a date for you. Naturally, we're eager, we're pushing. And Rob is. He's driving this really hard. but there's a bit more complexity than a 100% owned asset, obviously, to work through that.

Yeah, for sure. And then perhaps just around pricing, obviously that one-month lag has impacted you guys, you know, picking up the worst of the pricing in June. You know, as you're looking at the profile now and we're seeing pricing improve, I guess there's been some mixed commentary on pricing forecasts, but we are seeing an improvement here. Is that translating to the shipments as you're watching them go out?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think we took a bit of time to look at realized pricing over the last 18 months or two years. And to be honest, without a sales and marketing team, we're getting great outcomes. So I'm very comfortable that the model that we've got in place gives us... equal best value, certainly better than a number of our peers in the market. So it's certainly delivering good outcomes for us.

Excellent. We look forward to December quarter numbers then. Thank you.

Thanks, Tim.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Khan Peker from RBC. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Evelyn and Kath. Just on green bushes and It looks like CapEx spend is running below guidance rate. Could you maybe add some detail around that and I'll follow up with a second.

Yeah, look, I mean, it's just starting to taper now, Khan. I don't want to get into, you know, a debate on guidance. We've put that out. We think that still stands. Naturally, as I've signposted in previous quarters, Rob and the team are being very, very focused on CapEx spend and there's a lot of scrutiny on the dollars that are being applied across the business. We don't want to obviously compromise the assets, so they'll put the investment into asset health and to asset performance, but all of the extras, all of the other nice-to-haves, they're challenging. They're also challenging CapEx intensity to make sure that we're getting the best value for every dollar that is spent. So, you know, look, to be honest, if we get later into this financial year and we have a down step in guidance, that would be fabulous. But right now, we're saying, look, that's our guidance. We stick with it. We're just pleased to see that continued tension on capital spend. And, again, I know, you know, back to Matt and Tim's comments, you'd love to have... You know, I've had this question 20 times. What is the sort of medium-term dollars per tonne of capacity in CapEx that we can guide on? And, you know... I'm chasing it, we'll get to it. That's the kind of thing that's helpful for you to do your modelling and see what that full value of greenbushes will be.

Maybe I'll ask in another way, in your words. The nice to have component of capital spend for both Kwinana and greenbushes, what percentage of capital spend does that make up for this year?

I'm not sure I can answer that. The point is where every individual project is stress tested and challenged. I'll give you an example. I know in the plan, it's an anecdote, right? They had some car parks they wanted to pave with bitumen and they said, but we're not going to do that. We're just going to leave it as crushed rock. The debate was that nice to have or whatever but the point is we're going to challenge and say safety, asset health, asset performance, these are the kind of things that need capex. Have we got a strong business case? Can we see what the NPV or IRR on that particular project is? Can we see what the time for payback is? Can we see that we're getting good value for money? They're all the questions that the team are now asking in a consistent capital process. That was not the case just two years ago when I started. I can assure you it was a very different approach and Rob's brought with his commercial team a lot of discipline and focus there and I don't sit there and go through and try and, you know, differentiate within those projects. They're making wise decisions. We have a committee that, you know, each of the JV partners have reps on that sits and works through that on a routine basis and I think they're making good decisions to drive very careful capital allocation across the business.

Thank you. And then the second one, again, on green bushes, maybe around... What specific actions could be included in that mining optimisation program besides opening up the ore body? Any sort of detail around there, blending, tighter feed control, anything that you could sort of add to that conversation?

Yeah, I mean, go back to the last couple of quarters. We've had slides on this, this kind of list of the programs that are underway, and certainly There's the, you know, looking at the oil body itself, oil characterisation, block model, the schedule, et cetera, which is the big picture. Then you do get into the different head grades or, you know, and how we do blending and the run of mine feed into the plants, the asset health and asset performance of those plants and making sure you're getting lots of uptime that drives recoveries and throughputs, product grades, the... I mean, you know, it's a pretty full program. I don't think there's anything I've worked through in my experience in other mines that we're not tackling as a lever here. Rob's got a lot of fronts open he's working on to drive that uplift and improvement in performance. So if you went through that list from prior quarters and we can drop it in and maybe try and add a bit more colour for next time, that's all in place.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from Levi Spry from UBS. Please go ahead.

G'day. Thanks for your time. I'd like to come back to a couple of questions at the start. So just in terms of guidance, can you talk through what's embedded in your Your guidance for the ramp-up of CPG3, I think previously you said a 12-month ramp-up and this quarter is going to be the same as last quarter. So can you just walk us through that for the second half?

Yeah, we're not breaking that out specifically, Levi. We've got obviously the plan that the team's put together. We're not going to over-promise on a ramp-up because you never know how those things start. They should be a rapid ramp up front end loaded but you don't want to bank that. We don't provide a breakout of the guidance or that detail at this point so I can't give you any more detailed clarity. Once we start, we can probably give you an update and indicate how we're seeing that against what we anticipated but at this stage, I guess the key takeaway is that we expected that the first half of this financial year would be softer given grades and obviously we'd have a stronger production rate through the second half of this financial year.

Okay, thank you. And then in terms of BHD inventory, can you give us a feel for where that sits today? I guess at the end of October, you'd do it a bit during the quarter?

I'm not sure. What's the question that you're asking about inventories?

How much concentrate inventory you've got lying around?

I don't have a number on top of mind. I don't know if you do, Kath. No. No, I don't have that, unfortunately, Levi. I think you saw through the last two quarters. I mean, sometimes timing shipments can move and we'll get a build and then a drawdown. It was a big, big run out in July. Yeah, I don't have the sort of at-hand inventory number in front of me now. I mean, I'd say, look, there's not much to see there. The team, they ship it as we produce it. So, yeah, I think it's pretty stable.

Okay. You've built 20,000 tonnes of aqua. Yeah. All right. And then just in terms of conversion costs, are this confirming that there's no costs for SPOD in there?

No, that's just the product conversion costs. Okay, thank you. Thanks, Levi.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mitch Ryan from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Morning, Ivan. Just one question for me. Can you just quantify the financial impact of the lithium support program at Kwinana, please?

Well, yeah, we don't. break out the specifics there. That's, you know, just a function of those agreements. I would say we are receiving benefits. They're very welcome. It's great that the West Australian Government's contributing but we don't actually carve out the quantum of that and that's just a function of the agreement. But that would be offsetting the conversion costs or helping to keep them... Yeah, sorry, yes, it does offset the conversion costs naturally, so... things like our energy costs and other consumables, there's obviously a benefit there.

And just to add to that, it is not lumpy anymore. We had a catch-up in the last couple of quarters, so it's stabilising now.

Okay. So does that mean you're receiving it on a monthly basis or similar? Yeah, or similar balance to the quarter. Okay. I appreciate the call. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Ben Lyons from Jarden Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks. G'day Ivan and Kath. Just one question from me, a similar line of questioning to Frodo and Hoff I guess. Just noting the expiration costs of $10 million and the corporate and other costs of $20 million for the quarter if I include the share purchases there. I mean Kath called out short-term incentives as being a significant part of that. What was the extent of those incentives given the sustained underperformance of this business and when can we expect to see a meaningful reduction in the level of corporate costs given the relative lack of operated assets in the business? Thanks.

Well, Ben, we didn't provide any detailed guidance on the breakout. I mean, you can go through the REM report and you can sort of see that the annual report's got all that background and detail in it. The corporate costs, I mean, we've looked at the numbers. If you do the comparison and we aggregate our corporate costs, we don't allocate a lot back to Nova. I think we've continued to trend those down. We've explained the work that's been delivered around Forrestania and Cosmos. So we've sort of addressed those assets. I feel like the team's made great progress reducing those costs quarter on quarter since I've been here. And they've been very frugal and focused on it. We've benchmarked it. We feel like that work is – well, where we're sitting is in good shape and a function of where we're at with Nova. Naturally, as Nova winds down, then we'll look at, you know, obviously what that needs to be in the context of the rest of the business. But, yeah, I don't – I don't think that's out of step. The expiration spend, we've obviously made a massive change from where we were when I started in the business and signposted that. The work that's going on, targets we're pursuing, everything there is going through a lot more rigour in terms of the financial and economic assessments before we commit to it and we'll continue to keep that challenge up but we feel like that's an important part of our business and where we're investing for value.

Okay. Thanks, Arvind.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Austin Yun from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Morning, Arvind team. First question on Kwinana. Just a note that your JV partner commissioned a new hydroxyl plant in China in September, and the commissioning and round-up seems to be working all right. Just wondering if there has been any discussions posted from the JV side for learning for Kwinana, or would that serve as a wake-up call for them to really be more ready to walk away from Kwinana to go back with the second one?

Okay, thanks, Austin. Look, you'd have to ask ANSI for more on their views on Kwinana, but yeah, certainly we followed from a distance. Probably don't have any more than you do. They've done an extremely good job ramping up their new asset in China. Very good construction, commissioning ramp-up. It's It's been a great story and it's parallel of what we see on many other refinery assets in this space in China. I think it just points to the nature of the challenge at Kwinana. It's fundamental to the design and construction and engineering of the asset here. The team aren't doing their best. They're trying hard every day but they are fundamentally challenged with the reliability and the underlying engineering performance of the asset that they're faced with which It's a pretty high bar to get over.

Well, thank you. The second one, just on the green bushes, quite clear on the production profile, which will be second and a half weighted. Keen to understand the shipping profile, if there's any flexibility for you to pump out a bit more in the second quarter. Just noting that the market is tightening now. We can see visible lithium carbonate imagery going down. The futures price is going up. So can you take any opportunity to, you know, sell more product? Thank you.

Well, I think, look, we basically work on a model of just selling and shipping whatever's produced. At some points will be some congestion and challenges, just normal port. port operations, but you've seen in prior quarters the team's ability to ship and sell materially higher volumes than this quarter, for example. So I don't think that's a big issue. I know Rob's been working through the plans for the ramp-up with CGP3, recognising the extra volume they need to deal with. They've got a good plan in place, so I think we'll basically just continue to target a situation where our sales and shipping matches or broadly matches production quarter to quarter.

Okay, so the second quarter will be a production matching the DELF number.

Correct.

Yeah.

Okay, thanks, Austin.

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Vela for closing remarks.

Okay, thanks, Darcy. Thanks for the questions and, you know, I guess I'd Just reflect on the drive or the pull for more information. I hear you and we're doing our best. We will share what we can. Naturally, that's within the context of the joint venture and I appreciate how important that is for you to get more visibility and more confidence in what is the best hydroxychloroquine asset in the world. Rob and the team are doing really, really good work improving that. They're working through a bunch of issues and challenges. They look at that long-term plan and really optimising it and naturally that's a big part of what I know will also help build your understanding of where their focus is and what sort of improvements you can expect. To summarise key messages, first on safety, I'm really pleased to see the continued improvement there and that's something that we'll keep focused on right to the end of Nova's life. Naturally the lessons and the maturity that we build through our business will carry with us. in-line quarter and delivered well against what we expected from our mine plan, tracking well for the life of mine, nickel tons we've indicated. And I think the last point was, you know, I take your questions, Ben, but the team are managing costs very thoughtfully. We continue to challenge every dollar we spend and we've generated positive cash flow through this quarter, which I was really pleased to see. We're very conscious that we don't want to spend beyond our means and ultimately protect the strong balance sheet that IGO has and prepare ourselves for the future on that basis. Thanks everyone for joining and listening in and covering some good questions.

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