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10/3/2024
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today to review tax performance for the second quarter of 2004-2005 financial year. I'm pleased to share some key highlights and insights into our financial and operational achievements during this period. Firstly, I'd like to begin with the payments received. They have grown by almost 15% year over year, and they reached 22 million point 84 million US dollars. It's actually a record high quarter in terms of the payments. And as we run the business, that's exactly where the money comes from. This is an increase of 1% quarter on quarter, which is another good thing. We will go now into MRR. That's the second metric we are reporting. MRR stands for monthly recurring revenues. And we also saw an increase in terms of year-on-year increase, that's 8.2%. and monthly recurring revenues were $7,040,000. However, we did experience a 0.4% decline quarter on quarter, mainly due to the drop in the customer numbers. but it was also offset by higher average revenue per license. I'm going to talk about it on the next slides. Now, looking at LiveChat, our flagship product, We experienced some challenges this quarter with over 1,000 customers leaving the product. There were a couple of reasons for this drop. It was largely due to higher churn rates, particularly in Asian market and in terms of the months that was July when the churn was the highest. but also there were some things that we changed unsuccessfully in terms of the onboarding process. Those changes were made in June and July and as a result we had been experiencing some problems in onboarding the new customers and hence the addition of the customers was not that great. Also, those changes that we have made that have safeguarded our product against the abuses of our licenses, they also have influenced the numbers. What is important? This high number of customers churning actually did not impact MRR. That's mainly because those customers that were churning were mainly the smallest customers. Also important thing is that those customers that we were losing were outside of our core market. So the situation on the US market has been quite different to the one in Asia, for example. For the US, what is important, although the churn was quite high in July, in August and September, the churn rates were below 3%. And to comment on that, this decrease of the number of customers was a surprise to us. we were not expecting such high reaction. And it has to be said that those, numbers are partly the results of our own actions. So we have made a couple of changes in the product, in the way we were showing the pricing, in the way the clients were onboarded, and the effect we can see in the numbers. The good things are that the number of new trials and cool hot leads is increasing again because we have reverted those changes. Some of them were reverted already back in Q3, some were reverted in September. And hence we still cannot see the final effect of reverting those changes. But as I said, the main impact was on the smallest customers. In terms of the bigger customers, actually those customers were upgrading, upselling the product. the monthly recurring revenues from the enterprise clients have doubled. And also we made very good changes to the product in terms of the features that prepared our customers for the intensive in terms of e-commerce activity Q4 of the calendar year. Then we can talk about the ARPU or we actually, although we have not changed the definition, but the name average revenue per license is more accurate and we will be using this one since now on. ARPL has increased by 1.9% over the quarter. And hence this number per customer per license is almost 170 for US dollars. Year on year, it's an increase of 11%. As you can see, the high number of churning customers actually has not influenced ARPU. It's rather the opposite. The churning customers are the small ones. One thing to comment here is also the fact that last quarter, when we had our webinar, we said that we introduced new paid feature of all AI One Plus. We are no longer offering it as a separate paid product. It's added to higher plans. It used to be $30 that the clients were paying on top of the plan. The change that we have made is actually because of providing these numbers on the pricing list has, to our knowledge, impacted the client's acquisition. So the prices seemed to be higher for the product. We have reverted that. And now to... chatbot product. Here you can see that if you compare the numbers quarter on quarter, we have added just a couple of customers. But what is important in September alone, we have added 71 new customers. A couple of things are responsible for that. First of all, and the most important one is actually that In early September, we have launched a new language model for chatbot and it has significantly improved the user experience for the customers and also it boosted our conversion rates. Then, The same model is now, since the beginning of October, released to also the entire customer base, and it should further result in reduced customer churn from the existing clients. When it comes to ARPL for a chatbot product, it grew modestly by 1.3% quarter on quarter, However, the one thing that you obviously see when you look at this graph is the fact that initial ARPU has decreased. And there is one particular reason for that. We have launched in mid-September, we have launched a promotional offer. that for the customers that have paid within the first three days of the trial, by paying, they ended the trial, but then for a change, they just pay one US dollar for entire month, first month. For us, it's important to actually get the details of the credit card and to verify it. And that's exactly why you can see a drop in the initial ARPU. Here, initial ARPU, unlike the whole ARPU, is that it is calculated for the entire month. So it's average across the month. Then there is actually a second part of the fees that the Chatbot customers are paying. This is the... additional interactions, additional chats that the clients are paying for. It is when they go beyond the number of chats in the pricing plan they have, they have to pay per chat. So it's actually per usage and this number was 32 US dollars in September. And it is once again important to say that this is not included in chatbot MRR or ARPL. Also, it's not included in MRR that we presented in the KPIs. We have more and more revenues that are beyond the subscriptions, so that includes from the chatbot side those additional chats, but also the usage for API, also some payments for using some of the integrations. Then on the helpdesk side, we continue to see growth. The platform, well, the product added 29 net clients during that period, which is rather slow in terms of a client addition because it was the holiday months. Then the help desk average revenue per license increased by 11% during the quarter. And it shows, it actually reflects quite strong product development. And this one actually has an excellent revenue retention as part of the product.
So, that's my part, yeah?
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Yeah, thank you. So, to sum it up, Payments received grew by almost 15% year-on-year this quarter. MRR grew by 8.8% year-on-year this quarter. Unfortunately, there is also some small decline quarter to quarter as grew of RPL. almost, but not fully offset the loss in number of the customers. This loss of the customers was the result of a few things. One of these really demanding environment, but also it's result of our actions as we blocked as we discouraged some customers abusing our product. But more importantly, it's also unfortunately the effect of the mistakes we made during that time. We made some unfortunate changes to our onboarding process, which reflected in... in lower conversion rates in that period. One of the changes we made during that period was adding paid AI bundled. So I would say AI bundled is one of the things we think was the reason of lower conversion, as it's complicated onboarding process, as it's complicated process of buying LiveTrade and also made it much more expensive. So we reverse these changes, we are reversing those changes because that was a process for us during September. We are now going to observe the effect. We really hope that the result will be returning to match the conversion rate from the previous quarters. Saying that, of course, the customer churn rate was still very high across the board, across the geographies, but the good thing, the promising thing was The fact that during the last months, especially in September and August, we saw an improvement in our key market in the US, where actually the customer chain fell below 3%. which is one of the promising things. The next good thing during that quarter was the good results of the upselling. A lot of the customers actually moved from the team to business plans, This is really a good thing and a result of the hard work of the sales team. Actually, we almost doubled value of enterprise plan in our business. in our MRR. It's still below 5% of the whole MRR, so it's a long way ahead of us, but that's something promising. And that's actually why we even with this huge loss of the customers, in the customer numbers, actual time error is almost flat, quarter on quarter, and actually payments grew during that quarter, and the growth actually of the annual pace in the term of the payments actually sped up. Revenues of API after service grew by 16%, but it's still a very small number. It's not a huge part of the business now, but it's a really important part of the ecosystem we try to build at this moment. And so that's about the results. We just like to share some few additional things. So one of these things is context and maybe some of you had the opportunity to see that event. if not there is a link in that presentation so actually you you can see our team which to try to summarize uh new things we added a new features we will uh we will we were added to to our product during the the the last month It was the first such event organized by us. Some 1,000 customers actually signed up for this event. They have opportunity now to test this new feature for two months for free. We prepare some special offer for them. And actually, of course, we hope that the effect would be a nice upselling action at the end of the year. Nevertheless, I think that can be interesting thing to see that even for these of you who actually try to look a little deeper in our product on what will be happening, what we are doing. On this slide, you can have some of these features gathered in the one slide. And of course, what actually you can see in that slide is the fact that we prepared some new changes each of the main products. I'm especially excited about outbound messages, features in the live chat. Actually, for us, it's something really new. Because of that feature, customers are able to send an active message to end users, also via WhatsApp, so it's a very nice, very interesting new use case for LiveChat, something we are very excited about. But also you can have a lot of features that actually are not designed for the one product, but actually are common for the one product. And that's the very important part of our strategy. And I mean building a suite. So in the previous calls, we were saying a lot about building a suite. That's the reason why we changed the name of the company from LiveChat Software to TEXT. And we think that's actually the biggest growth potential for us, the biggest opportunity we have. But I have to admit, although we know that, that we never share any timetable for adding some, for building that suite with just saying that's a really important thing for us. So for the first time we're sharing some developments and plans. So you can see a crucial thing, a crucial development we actually delivered in the last time and the things we will come to the suite in the current quarter, in the next quarter. I hope that the launch of the commercial offer will be possible next year. That's something we're really excited about, that for us it's a huge change. An important part of building a suite actually is changing our technical ecosystem. We're adding new elements of the IT infrastructure to our ecosystem. That's very important because we have much more needs when we think about suite, but also even without the suite, we really think that we should be able to improve, further improve quality of our product, of our service. And that's why, and that's extremely important thing for us, we start the process of receiving certificate SOC2, which actually is something very important. I hope that in the first half of the next year we will have good news about this certificate. We want to be certified by one of the big four companies and that's crucial in trying to get some big customers, because now that's absolutely must-have when you're talking with some enterprise customers and having that change, that really new infrastructure, having CEO, C2, we will be able to be much more successful in that negotiation with potential bigger, much bigger customers. So that's all from our side. We'll be happy to answer your questions.
Thank you very much for the presentation. We'll now be moving to the Q&A part of the call. If you're dialed in via the telephone, please press star two on your keypad. That's star two on your keypad to ask a question. You may also ask a voice or a text question if you are dialed in via the web. Okay, we'll take the first question from Mr. Matias Babdik, MDS IT. We acknowledge your question in the previous call. Why does the company not start buying back shares, which are obviously undervalued at 10% free cash flow yield? The dividend payments are less appropriate to tax. to shareholders from tax perspectives, could the company reduce the share count for 15% in five years by my calculations?
I think that the response to that question is that we are continuing our dividend policy. We have paid out the dividend for the previous year and we are continuing this dividend policy currently. Currently, we do not have the corporate decisions for such buybacks. And this is at least currently not the direction that we'll be following.
At the end of the day, it's shareholders' decision. In our case, at IGM, actually a decision about putting whole profit in the dividend, I think we have one vote abstaining or against, one vote, one share. and all the other votes and shares in favor. So I would say yes, in our case, we think that's shareholder's decision.
Thank you very much. Next question comes to David Nelson from Blue Boat. With lower ARPL consumers churning, is this a net positive for profit margins?
I think on its own, yes. Definitely, yes. Saying that, of course, at the end of the day, when you look at the reports, when you look at the numbers, the margins will depend on many factors also. So, yes, we are investing in infrastructure. We also... The partner program, affiliate program is gaining more share in the total revenue and this program is relatively expensive for us. There is also some effect from the currency on margins. So the answer is yes, absolutely, you're totally right. And at this point, I'm not really sure if that really will be able to improve it. That would be enough to show the better margins at the end of the day.
Thank you very much. Next question comes from Christopher Edberg from Infinity Fund. Is there a seasonal effect in Q2 due to lower activity in the summer months?
So it's rather interesting question now because there used to be before the pandemic, there used to be a seasonal effect where July and August were lower in terms of the new customers. It has changed during the pandemic. And now I think we are back to this indeed seasonal effect, meaning that less customers should be added during the summer months. Although, This quarter, in our case, those two things were much more important in terms of the effect on the number of customers. So the optimization changes that we made in the previous months in June, that has resulted also in July, in July that the customers were churning and also those changes that we have made and have impacted the onboarding and conversion rates of the clients. So actually those two things were much more important in our case during Q2.
Thank you very much. Second question from Mr. Christopher. Do you have any plans on developing AI agents with more autonomy and agency than a regular chatbot?
I have interesting question.
So what we are doing is that not only you can use the chatbot with this all AI sources, but as a client, you have some autonomy to add different flows in the process of chatting with the bot. However, it's not exactly by developing AI agents. It's slightly different way that we are doing it.
So at least in the chatbot, in the case of chatbot, as our customer, you have actually a lot of freedom to choose how much freedom, how flow of the chatbot should looks like.
Okay, thank you very much. The third question, Christopher, I believe you have already answered. That's the third question about the stock buyback. So we'll move to the next question, EML from Ensmore. Are you going to disclose the precise customer numbers per product in the future or has that been discontinued? Thank you.
No, definitely that's... Our mistake not providing those numbers in the presentation directly. Those numbers are given in the KPI reports. We just add those and the presentation will include those. So no worries about that.
Absolutely. So these numbers are published in the source report. So definitely we're not trying to hide anything from you.
Thank you very much. We have five questions from Ben, an individual investor. We'll go through them one by one. The first question is, what drove the ARPL drop in helpdesk in September versus the five months?
Let me show this. So in case of help this actually the activity of particular customers sometimes can have a huge effect. Not sure whether that was the case now.
Not really sure about this case but You know, I really don't think that, you know, it's like the end of the good friend for Helpdesk, really. I'm not expecting that. So, of course, the mix of the customers which is coming and going is different each month. So, really, we are not expecting that really on the very long run, like each month will translate into improvement for the RPL. But still, at the end of the quarter, that's a very good result, 11% during that quarter. It's okay. It's really more than okay for us. So, no, I really think that there is definitely potential in that product.
Okay, second question from Ben. What is the MRR percentage and total payment percentage between key markets and non-key markets?
So in case of Omnivore, it's 34% are the revenues from the US. Then as other imported markets, we view English speaking markets, so UK, Canada and Australia, that be 12% and below five and below five for Canada and Australia. So the English speaking markets are definitely the most important. Non-key markets by that, what we mean mainly is Now, when we refer to that, it's actually the fact that Asian customers grew over the last quarter quite intensively, and their behavior is rather different to our much more loyal and stable customer base in those, as you call them, key markets.
Thank you very much. Third question. What are the plans to drive MRR and payments received dollars growth in subsequent quarters? Are there any new products that are expected to be introduced?
So, yeah, we're working on the new products. Actually, yes, we have some advanced works on two projects which should be new products in the future. And saying that, Don't expect very strong effect from this product. Don't expect too much from this product from the very beginning. We work on this project because we believe that it can have some potential. We think that that would be a very, that it should really be completely mandatory for our suite. So they like puzzle which pieces which just fits in that picture we creating. but we don't have a strong, very huge teams assigned for this project at this moment. I've calculated very small teams and we don't plan to not market too much launch of this project. From us, it's like starting with some So let's say soft launch, we start with checking the business idea, the flows of this project. So don't be overexcited about the fact that we're working with this new product because that won't be a huge impact like overnight for our financial results. Also from the cost side, it's not like we have a huge team assigned for this product.
Thank you very much. How many customers signed up for all four products during the quarter?
That number is stable between the quarters. We have roughly 60 customers that use all four products.
So, yes, I would say a few answering exactly that question. Not a huge success. And actually, why is that? Why is it not going so well even in the quarter, which was really good for the sales team? The answer is here. If you look at this slide, global billing, we plan to release global global billing in current quarter, which means as for today, we can't offer you a single billing for different products. That's not something we are proud of. because that's really not a good thing, but that also shows why we are not able to fulfill the potential we have at this moment, because we don't have a flow which help us to sell the products together. That's something we're improving, that's part of the strategy, that's part of the sweet strategy, but for us it's just we're not helping ourselves in that matter.
Thank you. Fifth question from Ben. I understand that there is a new workflow feature in tech platforms. Are there any plans to monetize this feature as part of the suite strategy?
I think that this is something that imagine has indicated that we will be starting new products and this might be one of the new ideas that we will be going with however such such things will be initially on a very small scale and i mean You cannot expect that suddenly one of our products will be a huge addition to our revenues. We are developing a couple of things inside the company. Some are tested with some of the customers. But I mean, from the financial perspective, this won't change the picture. However, indeed, that's a part of the whole suite strategy. So we are doing a couple of things in terms of creating the whole environment ecosystem. And that also includes activities like that.
And workflows, actually interesting thing, workflow will be monetized, can be monetized through actually API as a service platform. So you can see that this puzzle starts to fit to each other.
Perfect. Perhaps Perhaps a related question from Ben. Is the suite strategy an indicator that the company will be targeting large enterprise customers in the future as a primary strategy? Will there be a consideration to build a sales team to target those customers?
Indication that by our suite strategy, we want to solve all the communication challenges or issues that the clients have and we want to have a whole offer. And that will be definitely very important for the bigger customers. So we will be changing things as part of the suite that is in terms of infrastructure, also in terms of like the steps that you see on this slide are all aiming at creating a better value for customers. That also means that we will be, and we already started, to cover the steps to get SOC to certification, that will be definitely something of a value for the enterprise customers. But for smaller customers, this will simply mean that there will be an improved quality and efficiency of our products. So there is one goal for regardless of the size of the customers, to provide a very well-functioning, top-notch product. And as a suite, that will fit more into larger customers.
Okay, thank you very much. Next question is from Mr. Klaus Leitner. How do you see net income in this quarter? You want to build a suite, meaning this is a larger investment, How will this affect your results? Do you think there will be changes in the payment of dividends?
No, so the first thing, we can uphold dividend policy. Today we don't plan to change that. We can, of course, we invest in infrastructure, especially in the IT infrastructure. We made some investment. Maybe we will have to... to keep some, we will have to be cautious about looking at our financial position because of course we will have to be able to cover higher bills at some point because we start to use some additional solutions from different providers. That doesn't mean that the level of the cost will be significantly higher than what we have today. because that depends on the usage from our customers. But of course, we will have to be cautious and be ready to spend more. We need some financial results. But I don't think that will affect advance toward dividend and definitely not the dividend policy. So, really, I don't think that will be a huge impact on the current quarter results or the H1 results from this point. Of course, some costs related to the IT infrastructure is already taken, is already higher at this point from some two quarters. So probably we will stay at at this level. And then that will depend on how we use that infrastructure, how our business will be growing. So no, really, I'm not worried at this point.
Perfect. The next question is about M&A. Do you actively seek any potential M&A which could perhaps help with retaining and expanding your customer base? or is there 100% focus on organic growth?
Organic growth is by far the most important, is and always was our way of doing things, so that's absolutely a priority. But we never actually excluded the possibility of some takeovers. We just never did that, but we never excluded. So at least today, I can say that that's excluded. Sometimes we like to see what is happening in an environment. We definitely don't plan to buy users and we don't plan to buy customers. But if there will be some which could be a really great addition to our suite, it's possible. It's not excluded. It's not impossible.
Thank you very much. We have two questions about AI. The first one comes from Mr. Eric Altman from Addington. There are many innovative ideas being developed within the AI front, such as AI Dr. Chatbot. Is text looking to develop custom support applications for such niche markets? If so, how do you expect text to adopt here? Or is this something that live chat apps marketplace
is text not looking at this at all and the second question perhaps related is how do you think about chat gpt and other lns at competition in terms of the first question we are not actively looking into particular cases however with our chatbot it's ai based so you can use it for any application that you need and you can also make it like custom either additions or you can add like different flows that will best suit you. So as of now, we are not looking into such solutions. In terms of ChatGPT and LLMs as competition, I think we have already, maybe not every quarter, but once in a while we talk about the usage of chat GPT and other LLMs. I mean, they are the technology. Definitely the benefits of using a service like ours, like our chatbot, is the fact that you have entire control over the sources of the data for the bot to rely on. And you are in control of the input actually you are putting into the bot. So, I mean, you can rely on chat GPT. We've seen cases like that in the past, but definitely there are also some restrictions that you have to be aware of if you use those only. And those are mainly the regulatory or the question of responsibility for things that can be made up.
Okay, thank you very much. We have a follow-up question from Matthias Babdek. Are you able to provide us with the estimates of the number of live chat clients at the end of 2024? Do you stay the same level as last?
So we do not give such predictions. That's simply because there are so many things that can influence those. So even the numbers that we have seen And this quarter, they were surprised to us and that's partly because of the changes we've made within the product by ourselves and we had to correct for those. So, no, we will not provide such numbers.
Maybe about outlook for the current quarter. Of course, we cannot promise anything. So, of course, We now look at the effect of the reverse of the changes we made and we know it's definitely... We now checking the data, looking at what's happening. It's definitely not... We will cover that. So it's very difficult for us. Definitely we don't want, we can't and we don't want to promise anything. Definitely environment is still very demanding. That's the one thing. From the other hand, this seasonability we discussed earlier, which was working against us in the previous quarter, we should help us in the current quarter. And there is some Some good things in the last things, much better customer churn in lower customer churn in the US, for example, also higher number of the trails and what's more important on qualified lead and we will register in September. So that's some optimistic signs. Saying that in that environment is very, very difficult to promise anything. A quarter ago at this call I was saying that I think that October can be a month from the moment when we can really start to fight for the positive net additions because then I was even obviously I wasn't aware that we actually making at that time, we're making some unfortunate changes to our onboarding process. But even then, We were very cautious and not really optimistic about net addition for the Q2 and now starting Q3 we are, I would say, more cautious. But I think, yes, we can work on that. That's something which should be possible, should be achievable to have net positive addition, the number of live chat customers for this quarter.
OK, thank you very much. Perhaps we'll give another 15, 20 seconds for any additional questions. Okay, it looks like there are no further questions at this point. I'll pass the line back to the text investigation team for their concluding remarks.
So, first of all, thank you for your time. Thank you for your attention. Thank you for the questions. Thank you for all the feedback we're getting. Definitely, the result we published, especially when we discussed number of the customers, this result, loss of more than 1,000 customers in that quarter is partly effect of mistake we made. So that should be said and we can say sorry that that was our fault, that the result is much worse from what you should see. from what you should expect from us in that quarter, so we're definitely not happy. Also, definitely looking at the whole picture of this quarter, let me return to the opening slide. Definitely, when you look at the whole picture, especially at the payments, which really show how much money we earn in that quarter, I really don't think it's as bad as some of the analysts and some of the investors think. So we are working very hard. We have very clear vision, we have very clear task for us. Priority is building a suite, is improve quality, is to not repeat the mistakes we made. We learn a lot during that time. Sorry for our mistakes, sorry for disappointments in that quarter. We're working very hard on improving our products, on delivering a suite, on delivering SOC2 certificate, which should help us a lot. I will leave you with this slide, which I really think is proving that it's not as bad as some of you may think. Wojciech, do you like to add something for that?
No, just thank you for listening to us and listening to the presentation. Thank you for your questions. We're there for you. We'll update the presentation of the numbers of the clients. And if you have any more questions, please get back to us. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a nice evening.
Thank you very much. This concludes today's conference call. We'll now be closing all the lines. Thank you and goodbye.
Thank you.