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Good evening, this is the Coral School Conference Operator. Welcome and thank you for joining the Moncler Group Full Year 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal an operator by pressing star and zero under telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Elena Mariani, Group Strategic Planning and Investor Relations Director. Please go ahead, madam.

Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today on Moncler's full year 2025 financial results. Let me introduce you to the speakers of today's call. Mr. Remo Ruffini, Moncler Group's Chairman and CEO. Luciano Santel, Chief Corporate and Supply Officer. Roberto Eggs, Chief Business Strategy and Global Market Officer. Gina Fisanotti, Montclair Chief Brand Officer, and Robert Trefus, Sun Island CEO. Before starting, I need to remind you that this presentation may contain certain statements that are neither reported financial results nor other historical information. Any forward-looking statements are based on group current expectations and projections about future events. By their nature, forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause results to differ even materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements, many of which are beyond the ability of the group to control or estimate. I also remind you that the press has been invited to participate to this conference in a listen-only mode. Finally, I kindly ask you during the Q&A session to stick to a maximum of two questions per person to give all participants the opportunity to ask questions. Let me now hand it over to our chairman and CEO, Mr. Remo Ruffini. Mr. Ruffini, over to you.

Good evening, everyone. In 2025, even in a difficult environment, our group delivered a solid performance, 3.13 billion euros of revenues, a strong acceleration in Q4 at both brands, with Moncler DTC up 7%, Stone Island DTC up 16%. In EBIT margin of 29.2%. Net cash, 1.5 billion euros. And our sustainability effort valued by key ranking globally. Strong result that demonstrate the quality of our operating execution and the resilience of our business model. But as usual, as always, what I am mostly proud of is how we reach this result. Investing in creativity, preserving our identity, and moving forward with clarity in our long-term strategic direction. At Moncler, we are working to make the brand stronger across all seasons and all geographies, focusing on where we have room to improve our brand awareness. We also continue to build unique brand experiences and moments. After the strong success of Warmer Together, which became way more than a simple campaign, we opened 2026 with an emotional Grenoble event in Aspen. And we are back to Winter Olympics by sponsoring the Team Brazil and its athlete, Lucas Pinheiro Braten, in a relevant, unique, and meaningful way. This moment is only the beginning of a year of full initiative. At Stone Island, we keep moving with focus and discipline. We are working hard to reinforce the brand in the areas that matter most, improving our collections, elevating the customer experience, and making operation more solid and relevant. Growing with intention, rather than just scale. As we grow, we decide to make our organization even stronger. The arrival of Laurent Rongone as a group CEO in April is a natural next step in our evolution, which will bring new energy to our already solid structure. Something my leadership team And I have been considering for a while. But let me be clear, I'm not stepping down. And I'm stepping back. I will be executive chairman, continue to lead our creative direction, and set the strategist direction of the group. I will be fully involved every day with the same passion and the same commitment. Let me close with something that feels very important to me. We grow only when we stay true to who we are, to our curiosity, to our uniqueness, and to our courage to evolve. Because I believe that only companies that understand when and how to embrace change are able to succeed. Thank you. I leave the floor to Gino.

okay uh hello to everyone good afternoon i hope everyone's having a good day um i just want to take the opportunity on the back of of the message of uh mr ruffini to share how happy we are with the strength of the montclair brand uh right now i think we are not just happy because of the good and the great results we've seen and the opportunities we have but equally excited and happy about the opportunities and the potential of this brand towards the future um i think 2025 was not only a special year, it was a year where we've seen our biggest year yet, not only in terms of brand awareness and reach, but especially in terms of the brand engagement we have seen all around the globe, proving again that we are just way more than just big events and sometimes a seasonality or just a specific product. If we go to the next page, when we talk about Walmart Together, I think this was, I want to start here. This was a quarter of records. A lot of records have been broken. We're happy to share some of them. I think the first one is Walmart Together. Mr. Ruffini just mentioned that it was more than just a campaign. In that sense, it became the biggest campaign in the history of Montclair. This campaign wasn't just about product. It wasn't just about celebrities. was about sharing the values about who we are and what we stand for. And I think nobody better than representing that than Mr. Al Pacino and De Niro, who are for the very first time doing something together as a marketing campaign. I just want to say that this is the first time we even have issues to count the amount of coverage we're having and the amount of reactions we're having around the globe for this campaign including markets like in asia like in china where not necessarily the two celebrities were as known as the rest of the globe uh again last one of these on this campaign and incredible results we were able to to get i think as mr ruffini said when we started this campaign moncler never been just about buffers and winter we've always been about warmth and love since the very beginning If we go to the next page, we will talk about Grenoble. And again, in December, we were able to launch the campaign on the back of the collection we presented at the beginning of 2025 in Courchevel with a pretty spectacular event. And again, another record broken, this has been our biggest campaign in terms of Grenoble ever, and especially since we said that we started three years ago. This was a special campaign that was featuring our incredible Lucas Pinheiro-Ratan, Vincent Gassell, Mother Amber Valeta, and of course, the Moose Outwaters No Border, Chloe Kim. So again, incredible results there. And then on the back of that, I think we just mentioned, I think, was an opportunity for us to go back and celebrate our roots. We were not back into the Winter Olympics since 1968, and in December, we announced the partnership with the Brazilian Federation, something that I'm sure we will cover in the next call, but I'm sure you've seen already regarding the opening ceremony. and incredible trajectory of Lucas during this Winter Olympics just a few days ago. So again, another great season, not only for the brand, but specifically for this very important dimension of the brand, Montclair Grenoble. Last but not least, as we always talk about our three brand dimensions, Montclair Collection, covered by Warmer Together, Montclair Grenoble with this campaign, and the work done around the announcement for the Olympics. We have Montclair Juniors, Three very important drops during Q4 for us. The first one was an anticipated drop of Moncler, Genius, and Jules Sander. The second one was the reissue of a product that came a few years ago with JW Anderson, a very small capsule collection that we reissued and we dropped and was immediately sold out. And then last but not least, our partnership with ASAP Rocky, something that went way beyond the product collection we launched it. We were part of the partnership of his anticipated new music track after multiple years. And at the same time, we launched a very special Maya fur jacket in December just for a few destinations around the globe in DTC. And we were happy to see that product perform extremely well despite the limited units and the high price on that. So with that, I want to pass to Robert to share some of the great news from the Stone Island side as well.

Thank you, Gino. Good day to everyone. I'm pleased to give you some highlights for this quarter. It's been a quarter, as Mr. Ruffini said, that we can be pleased about. It is a quarter that demonstrates the commitment we're making to focus on the values of Stone Island, the principles of Stone Island, and the campaign on the left featuring Alessandra Borghi is a continuation of of a campaign that we've been investing in now globally for two years. It's a campaign that brings members of the Stone Island community to life to underline our commitment to product, the lab, the commitment to research, innovation, and materiality, but also the life of our community. And this campaign, I think now, as I say, in its second year, is showing the consistency and the coherence of our brand positioning strategy. In the second column, you see Dave, a musician from the United Kingdom who has also appeared in our Lab and Life campaign. We celebrated an album that he released. Dave reaches a very active part of our community. We call them the explorers, those customers who are accessing the brand for the first time. and he is a great representation. In the third column, you see a collaboration with Porter, the Japanese brand, well-known for accessories. We have a long-standing relationship with Porter. Accessories is not a large category for Stone Island, but it is a category of future potential, and both Porter and Stone Island stand for a commitment to research in our respective categories. And last but not least, Stone Island has a long association with soccer. Of course, this year with the World Cup, soccer will come under a particular spotlight. And in the fourth quarter, we continued our important strategic collaboration with New Balance, celebrating the sport of soccer. Thank you.

Thank you, Robert. Robert speaking. Happy to share the positive results of both Montclair and Stone Island for Q4. As anticipated by Mr. Ruffini, we closed the quarter very positively for our business in Montclair with a plus 6%. The growth was on both channels regarding the Americas, both for wholesale and our B2C business. In Europe, the result of the third quarter was slightly negative, but locals were positive, so we were impacted by a negative trend on tourism, especially with American, Korean, and Japanese. Regarding Asia, all the regions grew positively during the last quarter of the year, with a total result of plus 11%. I will be able to illustrate more in detail in case you will be interested later on. We move to the next chart with the results per channel. We have positive results or reverting trend on the wholesale. This was mainly due with this plus 2% on reorders for the fall winter, strong reorders. So we're happy about the end of the year results. And regarding the D2C business, it was a strong growth at plus 7%, especially thinking that, as you know, Q4 has always been a strong role for Montclair. So we had a base of comparison over the past three years that was very strong. So the plus 7% is even more meaningful in that sense. If we move to Stone Island, there are also positive double-digit results in all the region. Q4 at plus 16%. We are dealing America is going at plus 26%, also going on both channels. The results on move were strong with the plus 12%. Both channels were positive. And similarly, also, we grew plus 22% with Asia, so strong performance also in all the regions in Asia. Regarding the results by channel, we had a plus 17% on wholesale. This was also due to the fact that there were some shipments that were due to be sent in Q3 that were postponed into Q4. So this was why we had a negative result in Q3, but we recover in Q4 with this plus 17%. And you see the positive results with a strong retail KPIs that we had with this plus 16% for Q4 in our D2C channels. Regarding the opening, As you know, we try with Moncler to open most of our stores with the start of the fall winter season. So usually during Q3, we still had one opening in Korea, in Galleria Gwangju. We had four Stone Island free openings. One was a conversion in Paris with Printemps. And we had two openings in the US with Costa Mesa and Yorkdale. If we want to go quickly and swap through the picture, you see the opening of Wangyu that we illustrated here in Seoul. We put also a picture of our most important store on the Inan Island. That was where we doubled the surface at the end of the year. The opening took place in December and with very positive results for the end and for the Chinese New Year. And you see also one of the latest openings that we have had with Stone Island, with South Coast Plaza, with our OMA concept that we are now deploying in all the networks. Pass the word to Luciano.

Thank you, Roberto. Hello, everybody, and thank you again for attending our call today. We are now at page 23, where we report our profit and loss for the fiscal year 2025, with an operating profitability of 29.2%, slightly, slightly behind last year, but substantially in line with last year when we reported 29.5%, with selling expenses slightly higher than last year due to the a negative minus 1% comp, Roberto mentioned before, with a good control of G&A and with the usual 7% in marketing expenses as last year. So a quite good EBIT margin. Let me make one comment below EBIT on financial expenses. that show a increase from 6.5 to 26.2 million due to higher interest expenses on the lease liabilities by the IRS and the lower level of interest income this year as compared with last year. Let's move now to page 24 where we report the CAPEX. CAPEX is totally in line with our plan and with what we anticipated to the market in July of last year, 6.9%, higher than the 6% we reported the year before, due to a couple of important projects. One is about the new corporate headquarter, and the other one on the distribution network, the big, very important new project in New York Fifth Avenue area. uh store for the 2026 just to let you know we expect to go back to a six percent incidence of capex on on revenue page 25 networking capital 9.7 percent against the 8.2 percent we reported last year higher due to a higher level of inventory but let me say a healthy inventory, a result of a strategic decision we made about seven, eight months ago to invest in one of our most important strategic raw material, which is down due to the volatility we faced last year in that sector. So in order to be safe, we decided to buy more down than what we normally do. So everything is still totally under control as well as credit and of course payable. Page 26 now at financial position close to 1.5 billion euros against the 1.3 billion euros we reported last year after a distribution of dividends last year for about 350 million. Important to remind you, as we report in the notes on this page, we expect actually the board will propose to the shoulder meeting a distribution of 1.4 per share in May of this year on the earnings of fiscal year 20, 25% with the payout ratio of over 60 percent page 27 balance sheet nothing important to comment 20 page 28 cash flow statement that reports a free cash flow of 529 million behind the 587 million last year but of course there is an effects a translation impact of about 20 million and on the top of that important to reiterate the higher change in networking capital due to the inventory level i mentioned before and a higher significantly higher capex than last year with a total financial position again of 1.5 million and the cash generation of about 150 million Page 29, we report as usual our strong commitment on sustainability and let me say the strong results we have achieved this year. Okay, we are done with the presentation and ready now for your questions. Thank you.

Thank you, Luciano. We will pause for a few seconds to gather questions from the audience. As a reminder, I kindly ask you to stick to a maximum of two questions per person to give all participants the opportunity to ask a question.

Thank you.

Operator, over to you.

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We are ready for the first question.

So the first question is from Melania Grippo, BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Good evening, everyone. This is Melania Grippo from BNP Paribas. I've got two questions. The first one is on the current trends. If you could comment on what are you seeing year-to-date in retail compared to what you delivered in Q4. And my second question is on product diversification. I would like to understand if you're happy on how this is proceeding. And if you could please give any granularity on some of the categories, for example, shoes, knitwear, and also on spring, summer.

Thank you.

Buonasera, Milania. Thank you for your question. I'm happy to answer it. I will give some highlights on Q4 first before answering to the question regarding the current trading. We had, as it was presented, a strong Q4 with an acceleration towards the very end of December. We had a good month of October, November, a month of December that started a little bit more flattish, but then an acceleration from mid of December that we have continued to see in January and also in February. To be more specific on the different region, they are all going positively with the strong performance on our Asian countries, but also on the US. for both channels, both retail and wholesale. I must say that Korea especially had a very good rebound after Q3 that was a little bit less good, and we continue to see this growth, growth in trend, also thanks to the return of the Chinese on the Korean market. So Chinese that have been missing a little bit on the Japanese markets, that we have seen them back both in APAC and in China. And they are consuming both in China mainland and outside in other regions in Asia. So very happy about the start of the year with an acceleration that we have seen in these last few weeks.

Melania, Gino here. Thank you for the second question. So a few things here. I think we already discussed this probably for the last 12 months, I think. Regarding product classification, I think there's a few things just to highlight. The first one is, of course, beyond outerwear, something I will come back later. We have been doing specific efforts regarding everything that is knitwear and cotton sewn, something that we are really happy to see the progression of this business, especially on the knitwear side. We're seeing a really strong consumer reaction for the past 12 to 18 months. And then, of course, we're seeing good, positive, as well, results regarding the efforts that we're starting to put around foodware, specifically in the last quarter with the new launch of the new Altiv meat boot, as well as some of the work that we're doing on soft accessories. I think, as we always mention, of course, I think the other aspect that is important to keep in mind is when we talk about outerwear, we're talking about the evolution of a business that that now has a strong impact, especially in everything that is more about lightweight and something that we call seasonless. It's more like lightweight solutions and lighter versions of our product as well, which is performing very well as well. So I will say we will continue on the diversification of the weight of outerwear as has been growing over the past two, three years, and we will see that continue as we go into the next seasons. Regarding spring summer, I think if you ask us, we're happy with the results of spring summer 25, despite all the, I would say, the macro environment of the industry as a whole. That said, I think what you will see as we discuss is spring summer specifically more on the back of spring and summer per se. We always said over the past probably two years that we were working relentlessly in terms of improving the product offering before we were moving to do any type of a specific even bolder communication. The only thing I will just probably slightly anticipate before we discuss not to share much is that you will see an evolution in terms of the efforts that we'll be putting specifically from 2026 onwards. We are very proud of the efforts that the team have been doing over the past two years, especially from design and product development. And we believe that we are ready to go to the next level when we talk about spring, summer. So more to come in the next probably few months. But this is an important aspect as well that we wanted to highlight to your question.

Just maybe one last point on my side regarding the current trend and the current trading. I've commented on Moncler, but just to confirm that we are seeing a continuous momentum as the one you have seen on Stone Island in Q4. Also, at the start of Q1.

Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from Ed Aubin, Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Okay. Hi, guys. I will stick to two questions, I promise, Elena. But before I do so, ask my question, if you can allow me to wish good luck to Roberto in his new adventures. So, Roberto, it was a very enjoyable experience. to hear you and you share your views on Moncler. So you're living on the high. Congratulations. And I'm sure we're going to hear from you soon. So moving on to the questions, I guess the first one is for Gino. And an apology because it's a bit of a big picture question. So it might be difficult to answer in a short time frame. But Gino, what makes you confident that the brand desirability will continue to increase? I guess it's multi-dimensional in terms of advertising campaign, events, shows, collaboration and retail excellence and all of that. So I know that you don't have much time, but if you could comment on that, I'd be curious to have your view. So that would be question number one. And then question number two to Luciano, I guess, is on the margin sensitivity. So I guess Montclair Retail was up 4% for the full year at constant effects and you had a 30 basis point kind of EBIT margin. dilution. Is that a good rule of thumb to keep in mind for the future? And then what would make you translate to kind of a neutral margin trajectory going forward? And just related to that, Luciano, if you could update us on the FX impact you have in mind, assuming obviously FX would not change up until the end of the year for 2026. Thank you so much.

Ed, thank you so much for the question.

I think, again, as you mentioned, probably it's a longer answer that we can potentially, hopefully, we see each other and take it. But I think there's a lot of aspects for us to think why we believe that we have almost, we always say this about this idea that this is a brand that has unlimited potential with always, as every company, specific resources. So we are always trying to be very focused on the few things we really want to be really good at as next steps. If we think about this, I think the things that make us super confident is not only seeing the results we're getting, we are sharing with you today and sharing more importantly the reaction from customers around the brand is, first of all, is we have opportunities when we think about Grenoble. I think we strongly believe that there is a big opportunity for the brand to go further and deeper on that. We believe that there is, as we always discuss, and I just mentioned the answer before, an incredible opportunity for us, awaiting us to become a more all-year-round brand with spring-summer. We believe, as you know, and you start seeing the efforts in 2025, and Luciano mentioned some of the investments we're doing in the U.S. specifically as we go into this mid- to long-term approach into this market, and that makes us believe in all this. On the back of that, again, I think the opportunity regarding product is real. I think when we talk about there's two aspects on product that is working in a way for us, which is in one way we keep elevating the proposition we have in terms of product offering while we are protecting the core as well. I think these two things make us relevant at the very mid-high end part of the luxury industry while we are able to connect with the aspirational customer as well. again and these allow us what i believe is the other big part for us is we still have a lot of opportunity for acquisition for customer acquisition that they are at the very end the ones who allow us to to keep investing and keep growing as a brand so of course we can elaborate way more but i hopefully give you five to six uh answers to that question and some of those especially the ones i mentioned ron renovo spring summer the us and the opportunity to keep better on park and the way we connect emotionally with customers are the things that we're obsessing every single day as we keep moving forward and allowing us to showcase today the results that we're showcasing with you.

Hi, Ed. Thank you for your question. About margins. In 2025, we reported, let me say, better than what our rule of thumb, as you said, would expect, about 29.2%. this was uh because uh um q4 after q2 and q3 that was uh were both quite disappointing before was a very good for both brands as roberto said and also because in the middle of last year when the business trend was not particularly strong as you may remember we decided of course we needed to react to that that business trend, implementing some cost-saving initiatives that allowed us to control and to report quite good G&A and also selling expenses without touching, of course, marketing that is, let me say, the blood for our brand and for our business. Talking about effects for this year, for 2026, based on what we know today, that may be different from what may happen tomorrow. Based on the current effects, we expect a 4% impact on the top line, a decline of the top line due to effects. Talking about the margins, you know, of course, we try to do whatever we can we can, to protect our margins, reacting to the FX trend, the negative trend, right now with a pricing policy that is expected to offset the FX trend. So for margin-wise, the impact on FX on margin is expected to be, let me say, negligible. And this is what I can tell you right now. Of course, there are many other impacts, but your question was about effects.

And, Edgar, let me allow you to add one small thing. When he talks about the impact of effects on top line, he said four percentage points for the full year. Keep in mind that for the first quarter, it will be bigger than that. It will be around six percentage points of impact on the top line. So it will be bigger in the first half of the year and a little bit less starting from Q2.

Okay, great, thank you.

The next question is from Erwan Ramburg, HSBC. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi, good evening, everyone. I hope you can hear me. Congratulations on a very impressive 2025. And yeah, specifically for Roberto, congrats on a great track record over the past 11 years and all the best for what's next. So the two questions, First of all, on China, I think you're one of the first companies to report during this Chinese New Year. So I was wondering if you had any initial take on this Chinese New Year and possibly if you can share the split of sales to Chinese citizens onshore versus offshore and how you see this evolve this year and in the future. And then secondly, just wondering if you could give us a few metrics. I'm thinking about the average selling space, sales per square meter, UPT, anything worth looking at in terms of 25 versus 24? Thank you so much.

Thanks. Thank you for your comments. It was a pleasure working with you over these past 11 years. Regarding your question on China and Chinese New Year, I think we are still in the middle of the Chinese New Year, so we rather prefer to comment on the general trend with Chinese inside and outside China. And what I can comment is that we have been going double digit both inside and outside China. Maybe, Ojo, you usually don't report data on, and I see our team getting a little bit nervous now, but on the like for like we usually don't comment per quarter but I wanted to restate that Q4 was positive for us so we start seeing again like for like growth towards the end of the year and this is confirmed for the time being for the start of Q1 so Chinese positive inside and outside double digit the rate of the share of consumption of Chinese inside and outside China is roughly the same that what we have seen in the second half of 2025, so 70% internal consumption and 30% outside of China. I think that this trend, it could vary, it could become one-third, two-thirds, but we are not going to get back, as you can imagine, to the 50-50 that we had pre-COVID because for a very simple reason, there is a repatriation of consumption in China. And on top of that, a lot of brands, Montclair included, Stone Island included, have been doing dramatic efforts to increase the footprint on the China market, even if we see still potential to have better looking location, larger stores, and we're working already for this year on some relocation and expansion on the market. But there is this willingness also of the Chinese government to repatriate part of the consumption. So we have been working on both. We take advantage of the Chinese traveling. Japan is probably the country that has been suffering the most, but this is more linked to political tension than anything else. We have seen Aynan performing well. We have seen Korea performing extremely well. Hong Kong has been performing well also. And we have seen positive results in Europe, even if we are not at all at the same level of Chinese consumption in Europe compared to the pre-COVID. So this is something that has been confirmed. Regarding the metrics and also what we have in the plan for 2026, we have a similar number of openings than back in 2025. So you can expect a similar impact. This is what we usually say meet single digit impact in terms of additional square meters that are going to drive additional sales on the market. And the other metrics on on the retail excellence, they have been positive. So we have seen some traffic back in the stores, good conversion. UPT is not the name of the game usually towards the end of the year because we tend to push more on the high price value items, especially with Grenoble. And UPT is more the battle that we are having in Q2 and Q3, especially for men. But the metrics have been good at the start of the year.

Thank you. Best of luck.

The next question is from Chris Huang, UBS. Please go ahead.

Hello. Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on the results. The first one may be just a clarification on the cluster. So I think, Roberto, you commented that European locals in the quarter were positive. I'm just wondering if you can give a little bit more color in terms of Is it more low single-digit, mid single-digit, and also other nationalities? I think you said that American tourism is a bit softer in Europe, but if we take the whole American cluster, how is the performance in Q4? And on Chinese, I think last quarter, you already had a very positive trend with the Chinese consumers. So just looking at the quarterly trends in Asia, it does seem like Chinese is growing around mid-teens, if you can confirm my calculations. um secondly on the moving parts of 2026 i mean if you can get us give us an update on the pricing you plan for both brands um i think space already comment but also if you can provide a refresh wholesale guidance um i know there's some timing um impact for some item for example but just wanted to hear your latest um thoughts on those metrics thank you very much

Okay, let me clarify on Europe, and thank you for your question, Chris. Regarding the European nationalities, they have been flattish. We have had a positive impact of Chinese tourism, but on the low single-digit part for Europe, and we have been negatively impacted in Europe by Americans that were down, by Koreans that were down, and Japanese that were down. So this is for the global context. And we have seen also positive growth with, even if it's not as important as from some other brands, but we have the Middle East that has been growing. So our clientele in the Middle East and our business is developing well there. And also when they are traveling to Europe. Regarding the other nationalities you were asking regarding the Americans, there have been the high single digit positive cluster overall. but their performance has been mainly a local performance. So the result that we have seen in Q4, they are confirmed also at the start of the year, so positive performance locally, less when they are traveling outside. And regarding the other nationalities, we have seen at the end of the year, Korean, going back to positive single digit result after a negative negative q3 so this was something that was very positive for us and japanese locally have been positive also so the performance that we see on japan is mostly driven by the good performance of the locals to a lesser extent on on the chinese because we have seen a decrease in the chinese what we have seen is if i may say the Chinese that are coming to Japan are there. They're spending more than before, but they are much less than before. So you have seen probably the trend that have been published also by duty-free data that are showing a minus 40% on flights. But we see an impact on the business that is much lower than that because the ones that are coming are really wanting to spend. So it has been in a way counterbalanced. Maybe something on the wholesale, you were asking on some of the trends that we are seeing for the wholesale. I think most of the clearing for both brands have been done in these past couple of years. So we see a business for Moncler that is going to stay flattish for 2026. And we see an improvement on the results for the wholesale with Western Ireland. I'm not saying positive, but clearly an improvement compared to what we have had in 2025.

Hi, Christian. No, sorry. I just wanted to comment on the Chinese comment in Q4, if that's possible. Thank you.

No, the performance on the Chinese, as I mentioned, was positive double digits both in China and outside of China. So this is, generally speaking, the way we have seen the results. The cluster has been growing double digits both inside and outside China.

Hi, Chris. Back to your last question on pricing for 2026. We expect a price increase for both brands in the region of low single-digit, let me say 3% more or less for both brands, Moncler and Stone Island.

Okay, thank you.

The next question is from Daria Nazlej-Gievam from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Good evening, everyone. Congratulations on very strong results. This is Daria from Bank of America and thank you for taking my questions. I have two. Can I please ask about your thinking on the cost base into next year? You exhibited very careful cost control in the second half, as you already elaborated on, but how are you thinking about your marketing spend next year's percentage of sales? And if you can share with us the pipeline of activations for the coming year, that would be very helpful. And the second one is on Stone Island. Really a nice progressive improvement has continued that started realistically in Q3. How are you thinking about growth opportunities from here, given it feels like efforts on product and communication are really having an impact? What is the focus for you at the brand now? Thanks.

Okay. Hi, Daria. Let me start, and then I will – let Gino to elaborate better the answer about overall our cost base of course we try and we tend as much as we can to be more and more efficient year after year and this has allowed us and I hope we will allow us to be flexible reactive and to develop a lean organization of course with the help of the technology automation, artificial intelligence, and whatever. Talking about marketing, of course, our effort on the marketing budget is totally unchanged. You saw that in 2025, we spent exactly what we have spent in the past and what is, let me say, our golden rule, that is 7%. And so for this year, for sure, we don't expect to spend less, no more, but not less than than the 7% and on which I let Gino to elaborate better how we will spend this money.

I love the no less from Luciano. Mario, thank you for the question. Again, I think if we follow a bit in history over the past three, four years, I think we have been evolving very much the way we're approaching I would say our marketing team and our brand organization in terms of not only depending on big picks or big moments once or twice a year, but being the continual orchestration of a calendar that allow us to have real impact on both the brand and the business, right? And I think within that, of course, we are the ones who became extremely famous, not only for the creativity we bring to the market, but even for these big experiences or events, as you call them. I think 2025, for us was a very important year to prove ourselves that we are not only dependent on that but sometimes like think about this I just mentioned incredible results we got this year in terms of reach engagement Etc and we were coming from company a year we were doing two big events like we did in San Luis and in China with genius therefore I think the campaign we did with warmer together was as big or more impactful than some of those moments so in a nutshell, without giving much of the details, because I can right now, I think trust us that we will keep evolving the way we work that we are focusing on, on incredible orchestration that allow us to not only have big moments, but have the in between moments, powerful as well to make sure that we keep building this brand. And I think now I can say that we are a testament that we are able to, to do that and to push things forward, as we did in the past few years, and especially in 2025, as well.

uh daria thank you this is robert treatise thank you for the question as uh you correctly highlighted the momentum that we're beginning to see for stone island uh first emerged in q3 uh has obviously picked up more steam in q4 but this is really the result of a long-term strategy a couple of years ago this month i presented the key pillars of the stone island strategy which are focused on product, the architecture of our collection to make sure not only that Stone Island is recognized for what it is always been recognized for product innovation, material research, particularly in the categories of outerwear and knitwear. I'm very happy to say that that is being recognized by our customers as we see in our retail KPIs. In addition, We want to make sure that that product architecture is reaching a broad community. Stone Island has always been known for a broad community, both in terms of generations, but also geographies. So again, I'm very happy to see that we're seeing dynamism across customer segments and across geographies, which shows that Stone Island continues to have this broad appeal. In terms of the second pillar, which is distribution, we said that we would focus on DTC, not in terms of a dramatic expansion of our footprint, but instead a focus on the organic growth of the existing footprint. I'm happy to say that the results are beginning to be seen. That focus has been manifested in relocations of key stores in what we consider to be our lighthouse cities, for example, in New York, in Paris, but also in improving the way that we're seen in wholesale. We've done this through the selective distribution approach that Roberta referred to, that obviously Montclair has followed. And in terms of that selective distribution approach, I'm happy to say that we have developed very strong partnerships with key wholesale partners. Of course, it goes without saying that wholesale has played a very important part in the history of Stone Island, particularly in European markets. But it is through those partnerships, that we're now able to show up also with the Omar store concept that we're rolling out in our own stores, but also strategically in partner stores. You made a reference to marketing having an impact. I'm a great believer in building brands over time. Rome wasn't built in a day and great brands weren't built in a day either. What we're beginning to see are the fruits of all the efforts that have been made in terms of building greater awareness of Stone Island, but awareness that is also built on deepening the engagement with our customers. That comes from an implementation of retail excellence, where our client advisors are doing a better job of storytelling around the brand. And again, that is being seen to have impact across regions. And of course the metrics you might ask, how do we measure the impact of our marketing activities? We are seeing greater traction in terms of search. We're seeing greater traction in terms of engagement on social media. We have just been recognized in the last two quarters within the list index, which I think underlines how that traction is building momentum. Of course, We are very pragmatic. These are the early signs of brand momentum, business momentum, gaining traction, and we are very committed to carry that forward into 2026 and beyond.

Thank you all for your answers. Thanks.

The next question is from Luca Solka Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Yes, good evening. One question about your strategic vision on retail. If we look back, we see that the retail development of Montclair and now Montclair and Stone Island has changed quite significantly in the early days. You had relatively small stores. The size of the average store has continued to go up. You will probably reach a peak with your new store in New York. I wonder, and at the same time, the retail network has been continuing to expand. I wonder how productivity has been playing out on a per square meter sense and how you see the future of this retail growth driver. If you feel that from a number of stores viewpoint, you're more or less where you should be and if the average size can continue to go up. productively. A similar question, which is on dynamics of how you see volume, price, and mix going forward. We've seen quite a significant improvement in mix and like-for-like pricing. We've seen the wonders of Grenoble. But I wonder, going forward, if you feel that there's going to be a continuing push on mix and price Or if you believe instead that there's a need and a focus to recapture some of the volume and grow through volume as well as the other two elements and how you see the interplay of these three. Thank you very much.

Good evening, Luca. Thank you for the first question on the strategic vision on the retail side. I think Robert just clearly mentioned the current focus on Stone Island that is very much on improving the productivity and fixing the model and we have seen that this has been starting to really play positively on our results. Regarding Montclair, we are clearly compared to Stone Island in a way that it's a different one. When we see our projects, the one we are managing, we have something that is very much balanced today between relocation, expansion, and new openings. We have this year a focus on the US. We started this focus in the US already a couple of years ago. We have seen events in Aspen that will be the big event of the opening of SAC Fleet Avenue. You mentioned this is the, if Fleet Avenue would be the peak in terms of size, most probably yes. Our intention has never been to start building big stores everywhere. I think there are a few capital cities in the world where having a larger space allows you to show and showcase the brand and the experience we want to convey in our store in a much richer way. So I'm thinking about cities like Paris, like London, Milano, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong. I think those cities the uh they deserve tokyo they deserve uh to have this type of flagship but the the let's say the format that is fitting the best uh the performance and the rick api retail kpis of von claire they are more around 300 square meter which is not huge compared to what you see with the other player on the on the market and i believe that with this type of of format and we don't have yet all our stores are that format because our average size worldwide is roughly around a little bit more than 200 square meters so we still have some stores that are that are smaller that we would like to uh let's say elevate uh in terms of install experience for our clients in terms of retention and so on and we have seen that this format around 300 square meter is working well so The ambition that we mentioned a few years ago on where we want to drive the sales density is still there. We said at the time that we would like to see, due to the importance of Europe, the Chinese back at the same level of 2019, so pre-COVID, which is not yet the case. So we are balancing out, but the metrics that we have currently seen, they are there and they are improving. This year, we are going to have a similar number of projects than in the past. Clearly, in the future, we'll have much more relocation and expansion rather than new openings. But this is going to be seen year after year.

Luca, this is Luciano. Hi. About your question, volume price mix in 2025, Needless to say, volume is somewhere down, but let me say that in Q4, they have been getting closer and closer to flattish, so quite encouraging quarter also from the volume point of view. Talking about the future price mix, I mean, our strategy will still be what we said in the past, And I'm sure you know very well, I mean, to keep elevating the brand, increasing our collection, increasing the high end of the collection, exploring higher prices. Right now, let me say that our top prices are in the region of 2,500 euros. We see opportunities with our current customer base to increase the offer over that period. But we also believe that we can generate more volume by expanding the base of our collection, introducing a larger offer in the enterprise. Of course, enterprise for our outdoor category is expected to be in the region of 1,200 or less euros. So, of course, it's an enterprise consistent with our pricing position. But this is the strategy. Of course, for 2026, it's still too early to anticipate what the volumes may be, even if the beginning of the year, as Roberto said before, was quite, and is still quite, encouraging.

Thank you very much indeed, Luciano and Roberto. Roberto, I look forward to seeing you here in Switzerland and learn about your next step in the meantime. Congratulations on a great chapter at Moncler.

Thank you, Luca. Thank you, Luca.

The next question is from Oriana Cardani in Tiso San Paolo. Please go ahead.

Yes, good evening. Thank you for taking my two questions. The first one is on the evolution of the gross margin. Do you expect it to stabilize at the level of last year, or do you see room for expansion? And my second question is on the price gap level between Europe, America, and China. if you can give us an update.

Thank you. Yes, thank you, Oriana. About your first question, talking about gross margin expansion, I hope there will be an expansion. But seriously, our gross margin and our gross margin expansion has been driven since the beginning mostly by the channel mix. Of course, right now, I mean, our VTC business is way higher than the wholesale, and so any expansion of the VTC business is not expected to be so important as it was in the past. But since we expect for 2026, let me say, we'll sell a solid will say in the business, but not in expansion. In an expansion of our DTC business, for sure from the space point of view, but hopefully also from the organic point of view, we do expect, based on this mathematics, the gross margin to expand a little bit. Please consider that we are now over 78%. And let me say that the maximum gross margin I can expect right now, not for this year, but should we go 100% DTC, is about 80%. So at this level of development of our gross margin is becoming, let me say, more difficult to keep expanding the gross margin as much as we did in the past.

Regarding the price gap between the region, as you know, we are working on a bimonthly basis with Pucano on our pricing committee, and we've been working together for the past 11 years to reduce the price gap between Europe and the other region. I must say that currently it's probably the lowest price gap we have ever had between the region, not completely where we would like to be, but getting very close to that. so we have uh our american uh the price gap with the americas that is below 30 percent this uh we have china around 30 depending on the fluctuation of the currency between 28 and 30 percent and we have today china korea that are more around 20 26 27 so there is a small price gap between uh between china and korea to favor also The travelers inside of Asia also, regarding Hong Kong, the same. We try to favor this 5% price gap, 6% price gap between China and the neighboring countries. So just to favor and push sales for travelers, Chinese travelers.

Understood. Thank you very much.

The next question is from Thomas Chauvet, CT. Please go ahead.

Good evening. I have two questions. The first one on Could you comment on the performance of Montclair brand down jacket business relative to other category last year? What was its share of total business now? And maybe could you take this opportunity to give your thoughts on the broader down jacket market dynamics, which seen a fair amount of competition at the entry level, at the high end, great progress on technology, sustainability-led products. um any uh color and that would be useful and and secondly um on inventories and the the 15 increase or or 70 million euro if i understand correctly that's largely due to advanced purchase of raw material of down are you um seeing any kind of uh unusual inflation in the sourcing of top quality down and what is down typically as a percentage of cost of goods. And just finally, congrats to Roberto for a great career, for a decade at Montclair, and all the best in your future projects in Switzerland or abroad.

Thank you. Okay, Tommaso, how are you? Good afternoon.

Thank you for the first question. I will take it. normally uh we we don't share again the the the performance of the different segments i think i will uh go back and and repeat a few things we shared before i think of course outerwear is uh part of course of the core of our offering our business i think what you will see specifically there just to give a bit more context is the diversification we have been doing especially in the past three years in terms of the offering right it's like not just uh the traditional outerwear, but all the different segments between seasonless, lightweight versions for travel, retail, et cetera, and the demand we're seeing, especially on overshirts and that kind of style. So the outerwear business is way larger than it was before. And I think we are seeing specific traction in certain markets. We always talk about the Sunbelt of the US, where average temperature is around 18 to 22 degrees. We're seeing some markets in Asia where these perform extremely well. So I would say what we think about outerwear and the size of it, despite that we're growing other segments and other classifications within the business, there was an expansion over the past few years. I think the other aspect that you are discussing is on one end, outerwear as the same of the different product proposition is going through this process of elevation on one side in terms of how much value we can put in design and in the fabrics we use for certain products. On the other side, there is an innovation place that, of course, we know will take central place for this. I think, I don't know, but we can look at what just happened in Aspen literally 15 days ago in the latest collection we present for winter 2026, or we can go into for winter 25, or the now two-year spring-summer evolution of Grenoble, and you will see a lot of different innovation apply choose keyword choose no word to upper ski and even to some of our summer propositions regarding shells or three layering systems so i think there is a real evolution i would say especially on materials applications on grenoble but we will keep uh we will keep fostering this idea of high style and high performance as we keep doing this segment of the business but again uh just to round this this answer out of where is is bigger as a classification that just a traditional view on a winter jacket only, and this is something that has been helping us to not only grow that part of the business, at the same time as we keep growing other classifications within.

Okay, Thomas, hi. About your question about inventory, first of all, let me say it again because it's very important, nothing unusual on our inventory level. nothing unusual means that our inventory is all a good inventory current season inventory and everything that is to be considered obsolete has already been written off so what you see in our networking capital is only good inventory it is higher this year because we decided to invest more than usual in down last year due to the volatility of the price in that moment. And of course, I mean, when we perceived a price increase trend in the market, we decided to anticipate and to buy more down than what was needed normally. Of course, let me say something obvious, and I'm sure that is very clear for you, but we only buy top quality down. We never may decide to buy lower quality down in order to save money. And so just to make it clear for everyone. And so the top quality down last year saw a peak in price, fortunately, We bought down when the prices were still lower, but of course this was not at all for speculative reasons, but simply because down is the essence of our DNA, and so we needed and we wanted to be safe and to have even more down than needed to run the risk to have a shortage of down. About the contribution of down, I don't have a number. Honestly, it's not meaningful in quantity, not meaningful in percent of our cost of goods sold. But again, it's the essence of our DNA.

Tomaso, I forgot. I think one thing, Tomaso, I forgot too. I think you mentioned about competition. I just want to give one second of an answer because I realized I didn't answer about that. Again, regarding competition, I think we always, every year or every two, three years, we talk about different aspects of competitors and things like that. We are, of course, in a segment where there's different players. I think the only thing I will tell you is, of course, we always remain very humble enough to look at what competition is doing, what the customers are doing, and what's working, what's not working. I think at the same time we do that, and we see, of course, when you talk about outerwear and you talk about different innovation solutions, there's a lot of different players, even a lot of luxury brands trying to play there. We always observe and try to learn, but more importantly, become better. I think on the other side, we always, and I think Mr. Ruffini mentioned this at the opening speech, remaining true to who we are and our DNA, and more importantly, to deliver strong product solutions for customers that looks for a very authentic and meaningful brand. I think Renovo, again, is a perfect example on top of what we can say about Montclair Collection, about a segment of the brand that is delivering incredible product. And we strongly believe that despite competition as well, there's no other luxury brand as authentic as we are in terms of coming from the outdoors and delivering incredible, innovative solutions for customers.

Thank you.

The next question is from Charles-Louis Scotti. Please go ahead.

Yes, good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two. The first one on the U.S., where you are still relatively underpenetrated. Have the Warmer Together campaign and the Aspen event increased your confidence in the brand's growth potential in the U.S.? And today, Moncler generates confidence 1.5 billion in APAC, nearly 1 billion in EMEA. Do you see a similar 1 billion revenue opportunity in the U.S. over time? Second question, could you please comment on the recent trends in the e-commerce channel and remind us your exposure to online across both brands? And some of your peers have pointed to an improvement recently, suggesting for them a gradual return of the aspirational customers. Do you see similar trends in your business? Thank you.

Charles, how are you? Thank you for the question. I think regarding the first one in terms of the U.S., I mentioned this before. This is one of the areas where we strongly believe we have an opportunity to do better. Of course, I will mention in a second about Warmer Together or Aspen, but this is just singular aspects of a bigger plan. I think we strongly believe in this idea of an end-to-end approach towards the markets. I think Moncler's proven case from Europe to China in the past few years about it's not about just retail, it's not about just marketing, it's not about just CRM, it's about everything we're trying to do together and the orchestration of those efforts. I think what you started to see in 2025 between some specific launches we did with Genius, with Mercedes Benz and Mego, campaigns regarding Moncler Collection with Penn Bagley, U.S. ambassadors into Grenoble campaign, going to the Met Gala for the first time, Aspen, Warmer Together, all these things are the beginning of something that we believe is a journey, right? I think this will not, I think Robert just talked about building brands, right? And this is not about something that will have a silver bullet that will work overnight. We believe that that journey already started in 2025. 2026 is a major year for us to keep building towards that potential we have in the US. We only have just did Aspen. I think we're going to open Fifth Avenue later in the year and many other things that will come that will help us to start bringing that potential we see. I think you mentioned something regarding revenues. I will not comment on the size of our revenue. The only thing I will always comment is on the philosophy we have where we always say that revenue is a consequence of what we do. So we strongly believe that we're able to do the efforts that we believe we're putting in place for the U.S. and we drive this end-to-end offense. We strongly believe that the revenue as a consequence will come and we'll build long-lasting growth in that market as we're able to do on other geographies as well.

Just to complement the answer of Gino on the U.S., we never set targets. that we are never driven by purely on turnover and additional business. We always believe that if we do the right things for the brand, results will be a consequence of it. So clearly, now in terms of attention, we are fully focused on the US. I think the elements that you just mentioned, as well mentioned by Gino, the Fifth Avenue is going to be one of the key elements. The campaign War More Together helps. The fact that we had an event on Aspen also, we opened also a very successful, already very successful store, second store in Aspen, dedicated to Montclair Grenoble. We had a fantastic receipt with clients before, just before and after the show. So we believe that we are currently doing the right things. We need to elevate also the level of operational excellence and the Fifth Avenue will be a catalyst of this new energy we want to bring also in our team locally. So I think you need to give us a little bit of time. It's going to be a journey that already started, but we're confident.

Charles, I think your second question was regarding the online business. Again, I think here, again, regarding online, I strongly, we believe in this idea that the online experience has been evolving, at least for us in the past two years. And this is why one of the reasons that we set our .com in terms of the experience and the look and feel on the second half of 2025, I think, We are leveraging more and more dot com to attract customers and to more importantly, educate us a more product centric experience. This is something that took us a bit of time to to evolve, but we are we are happy to see that evolution and see how how we can engage product to that front. I think clearly the online channel have been underperforming to the physical part of the BTC and Q4. I will say within that EMEA was the one that we were struggling a bit the most compared to the rest of the markets. But again, we believe that there is a kind of an evolution, not to use the word revolution in terms of how customers today are searching, how the searching engines that they're using and how they interact and they leverage platforms not only to just to purchase, but to interact with brands. And this is something that we will keep evolving as we just did in September this year.

uh just a couple of words uh in answer to the e-commerce question for stone island you may recall that around 18 months ago we internalized the site from wine app we took advantage of that moment to launch a new front end and equally to be able to launch omni-channel services through localized warehouses All in all, these actions have been very productive for the brand in terms of visibility, storytelling, product, narration. And we've seen and we are seeing a very strong trend in organic traffic to the website. So the e-commerce channel is a channel that we see with great potential.

Thank you.

The next question is from Andrea Randone, Intermonta. Please go ahead.

Good evening, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one is about a recent interview held by Mr. Ruffini. He talked about the increasing attention of Chinese people towards outdoor activities as a possible tailwind for Montclair. Can you elaborate on the level of maturity of this trend? And the second question is about the internal production. I mean, what is the contribution of internal production on your current business? Is this a possible driver to make your products even more unique in the future? It is not. Thank you.

Ciao, Andrea. Gino here. Thank you for the first question. I will take that one. Again, regarding the attention specifically from the Chinese people, as you said, of market regarding outdoor activities, I think we have been saying over the past probably two years that we have seen kind of a momentum towards outdoor activities, especially in Asia after COVID, especially 22, 23, and especially the buildup of Gorka Puente, First resort for the outdoors both summer and winter, this is something that is always happening in the US, but God reinforce, especially in the past in the past three years as well. Gorka Puente, We already is that we're seeing is definitely the opportunity, we believe that opportunities being started to be captured by. Gorka Puente, Moncler renovo Moncler renovo is performing pretty well across markets, but I will say has a really strong reception. in the Asian markets or in China, but not only just in fall winter, especially with the spring-summer collection. So this is something that is a testament a bit of what you were saying, and I think what you were alluding when Mr. Ruffini was mentioning about the more avid potential participation or activities of Asian markets, specifically in China, regarding the outdoors. So this is something, as you can imagine, that we're monitoring uh as as we go we are looking we're looking um for not only in terms of the winter results but the activities that are happening to our uh customer during summer and we are trying to of course make sure that grenoble is at the at the center of this conversation thank you yes andrea about your second question on our internal production internal production for this year is expected to be in the region of 30

30% of our total production. Of course, most of this production is made in Romania, in our big industrial hub in Macau, where we have two big buildings to produce outerwear. But we also produce outerwear ourselves in Italy. in two different buildings in the region of Trebizeg, where we have our headquarters. Furthermore, as you probably know, I'm sure you do, last year, actually end of the year before, we opened a brand new building for the production of knitwear only, quite a big building that allows us to make the weaving of all our nitro production for more than 50% of our needs. Why we did that? Why in 2015 we made the decision to open our own production in Romania? Because we realized, and of course it was extremely important, that we needed to own our technology. and by owning our technology is the most important the essential way to develop and improve the quality of our product and not only improving the quality of the existing product because in romania as much as in italy in trebizeg but i didn't mention milan but also here in milan we have a small industrial laboratory not for production but to develop prototypes thanks to the proximity with our design team. This is the only way to improve not only the quality but to keep developing and researching new technologies for our product. So again, this is strategically very important. It was strategic in the past and it is becoming more and more important also as a way to emerge in the market.

Thank you, thank you, and congratulations.

The next question is from Chris Gao, CLSA. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Congrats on the great results. This is Chris Gao from CLSA. I have two questions. So the first question is regarding Chinese consumers, especially the aspirational consumer spending trends. So basically in the past few quarters, we're very happy to see Qs coming back for Montclair and also for some other luxury peers, though we reckon that the general middle class will take some time to recover, right? We are also very happy to see that you are both exploring higher price segmentation and also introducing more entry-level products at the same time together. So my question is, in the past few quarters, from a number of perspectives, do you see aspirational customers of Chinese having been sequentially contributing more to a growth than before? And how would you see the outlook of Chinese aspirational customers sending to Moncler Brands? Do you expect to gradually come back a little bit more as a growth driver? The second question from me is a follow-up on e-commerce. So basically right now we see some luxury peers introduce the AI-empowered e-commerce platform. I'm just wondering how would AI impact your omni-channel consumer experience in the future in the medium? Do you have any plans on the front? Thank you very much.

good evening chris and thank you for the the question we'll answer on the the the first one regarding our chinese consumer um we haven't seen uh um big differences between uh in terms of you know uh recruitment and and percentage of younger more aspirational customer or the top hand of the of the pyramid for montclair basically in china we have been going with with birth and does and i believe that is very much linked to the strong momentum that the brand is experiencing on the market since a lot of quarters or a lot of years because it's three years in a row that we have been performing well. You remember we had also a Genius event a couple of years ago in Shanghai and this was back in 2024 and we were afraid that in The year after not having this event, we'll see a slowdown in the momentum in China, which has not at all been the case. I know it's a little bit abnormal because some of the peers are suffering on the market, but we haven't seen a slowdown both on the aspiration and the top of the pyramid. Clearly, Grenoble is helping us also to grow on that part and what we call the edit collection, so the one with less logos. both growing on the very technical part of Grenoble, but at the same time also with products that are less logo-driven and that are more, let's say, sophisticated. At the same time, our best sellers, the ones that we usually don't have on display, the Maya and so on, continue to perform extremely well. And the transitional products,

uh like the network it's also a category that has been driving a lot of new customers to the brand and and as you you know those clients that entering for this category they usually upload themselves into outerwear later on chris thank you again just last comment on what i was saying i think you mentioned this i think it's important we said it before i think for us it's important that as we keep elevating our product proposition we keep protecting the core so while we acquire new customers on the more high end. We keep protecting and providing access to our customers. So this is a very important part of our product strategy. Regarding, you mentioned about online and AI, I will give you a short answer there because this is something we communicated when we launched the new dot com in early September. When we launched the new dot com, we announced our partnership with Google that we have been using as a partner that using the voai platform with them and and what we are trying to leverage there is on the.com experience on part of the recommendation we do with customers based on their journey we have been leveraging of course part of content and then uh the last part is we're leveraging that as part of the service in terms of leveraging product as a system address so there are certain areas today that if you go for for example into moncler guernobo Part of the comm you can see and understand how the different parts of the product connect to each other for a better performance from mid layers to under layers to to top layer. So again, all the things are trying to be more effective and more efficient in the usage of of our partnership with with Google and their AI platform.

Thank you so helpful.

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I turn the conference back to you for any closing remarks.

Thank you very much for participating in this call. Let me just give you a quick reminder of the next release. Our Q1 2025 interim management statement will be released on April 21st, post-market close, and our quiet period will start on March 23rd. Thank you again for any follow-up. Feel free to contact me or the IR team anytime. And of course, I will see many of you on Monday. Thank you again. Have a great evening.