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spk07: Good morning, and welcome to ORBEA's second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. As we turn to slide one, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. And should you need any assistance during the call, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. And to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please also note that this event is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Diego Echave, Orbia's Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
spk10: Thank you, Operator. Good morning and welcome to Orbia's second quarter 2024 earnings call. We appreciate your time and participation. Joining me today are Samir Baradwash, CEO, and Jim Kelly, CFO. Before we continue, a friendly reminder that some of our comments today will contain forward-looking statements based on our current view of our business, and actual future results may differ materially. Today's call should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements contained in our earnings release and in our most recent Bolsa Mexicana de Valores report. The company disclaims any obligation to update or revise any such forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Sameer.
spk04: Thank you, Diego, and good morning, everyone. Before we begin discussing this quarter's results, I would like to thank our global employees for their continued commitment to improving business performance and solving our customers' challenges in difficult market conditions. Turning to slide three, I will share a high-level overview of our second quarter 2024 performance. Revenues of $2 billion decreased 9 percent, and EBITDA of $334 million decreased 25 percent compared to the prior year period. EBITDA included $13 million of non-operating charges. Compared to the previous quarter, our results demonstrated sequential improvement across all businesses in line with anticipated trends discussed during our first quarter earnings call. While volumes have started to show a recovery in many of our businesses and geographies, compared to the prior year quarter, revenues continue to be impacted by lower prices and unfavorable product mix. However, despite these near-term headwinds, long-term fundamentals remain strong. As part of our previously stated strategy to be disciplined operators and good stewards of capital, we continue to take proactive steps to control costs and maximize efficiency across our businesses, which will enable RBI to capture benefits associated with market recovery and to continue to create value for our shareholders. During the quarter, progress continued on the engineering for the investment in U.S. PVDS capacity through a joint venture with ScienceCo. The board of directors also approved moving forward with engineering for the LIPS6 project. Our new building and infrastructure facility in Indonesia is nearing completion and is expected to begin commercial operations in the fall. The expansion of our specialty compounds joint venture plant in India for semiconductor compounds is also nearing completion. In addition, the building and infrastructure business is launching a slew of new innovative products in the fall. We also continued our focus on cost optimization, reducing year-to-date manufacturing and SG&A costs by a total of $35 million compared to last year. I will now turn the call over to James. to go over our financial performance in further detail.
spk05: Thank you, Samir, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with a discussion of our consolidated second quarter results on slide four. I'll remind you that the first half of last year was strong, so our second quarter comparisons are challenging, particularly in connectivity solutions and flora and energy materials. Net revenues of $2 billion for total orvia were down 9% year over year, with lower or flat sales across all business segments. Although volumes were up or flat year over year in most of our businesses, they were more than offset by lower prices and unfavorable product mix impacts. EBITDA was $334 million in the quarter, which represents a decrease of 25% year over year, largely driven by lower revenues across our businesses. As Samir noted, this EBITDA included $13 million of non-operating costs in the quarter. Operating cash flow of $4 million decreased by $212 million compared to the prior year quarter, primarily due to the lower EBITDA and the use of cash for working capital. Free cash flow in the quarter was negative $130 million, a decrease of $160 million year-over-year. Lower operating cash flow compared to last year was partly offset by lower capital expenditures. Our effective tax rate was negative 61% for the quarter as compared to 80% in the prior year period. The tax benefit this quarter was primarily due to the depreciation of the Mexican peso against the U.S. dollar. Excluding the foreign exchange impact, the effective tax rate would have been 22%. Net debt to EBITDA increased from 2.96 times to 3.39 times in the quarter. Net debt increased due to a lower cash balance, which was partially offset by a decrease in total debt. Additionally, the 12-month rolling EBITDA decreased since the calculation now excludes the strong EBITDA quarter of Q2 of 2023. Orbia made dividend payments of $80 million during the quarter, which consisted of the first and second installments of the $160 million ordinary dividend that was approved at the annual shareholders meeting held on April 9th, 2024. Turning to slide five, I'll review our performance by business group. In Polymer Solutions, second quarter revenue of $644 million was flat year over year, supported by higher volumes despite the temporary operational disruption at our Altamira One facility in Mexico due to the water challenges and lower prices across the portfolio. Second quarter EBITDA of $107 million was up 4% year-over-year with an EBITDA margin of 17%. The EBITDA increase was driven by higher volumes the continued recovery in U.S. and U.K. wire and cable markets in our compounds business, and the ongoing implementation of strict cost control measures. In building and infrastructure, second quarter revenue was $665 million, a decline of 5% year over year, driven by continued market challenges across parts of Europe and Latin America, and low resin prices. Second quarter EBITDA was $78 million, an increase of 4% year over year, with an EBITDA margin of 12%. The EBITDA margin improvement was driven primarily by operational cost optimization, partially offset by an unfavorable product mix. Moving to precision agriculture, second quarter revenue was $284 million, a decrease of 2% year-over-year due to softness in Turkey, India, and the U.S., partially offset by stronger revenues in China, the Middle East, and Africa. Second quarter EBITDA was $39 million, down 3% year-over-year, with an EBITDA margin of 14%. The decrease in EBITDA was mainly driven by the lower revenues, partially offset by benefits from cost-saving efforts. In connectivity solutions, second quarter revenue was $236 million, a decline of 30% year over year. This was driven by lower volumes, weaker prices compared to last year, and an unfavorable product mix. The decrease in volumes was caused by a combination of the ongoing high interest rate environment as well as customers reducing excess levels of inventory in the supply chain. Second quarter EBITDA declined 63% to $41 million, with an EBITDA margin of 17%. This was driven by lower revenues and lower absorption of fixed costs in our manufacturing sites, partially offset by lower input costs and benefits from the implementation of cost-saving initiatives. Finally, for floor and energy materials, second quarter revenue was $230 million, a decrease of 13% year over year, largely due to softer volumes in refrigerants, due to quota phase downs in the U.S. and Europe, and high customer inventory levels in the U.S. Second quarter EBITDA was $81 million, a decrease of 30% year over year, with an EBITDA margin of 35%. The lower EBITDA was due primarily to the lower refrigerant volumes partially offset by cost optimization measures. In conclusion, we've continued to execute our operating plan for 2024 despite ongoing headwinds by driving revenues, meaningful cost optimization, and operational efficiency efforts. We have a demonstrated track record of successful navigation across all parts of the cycle and we remain confident in our continued ability to do so. With that, I'll now turn the call back over to Sunil.
spk04: Thank you, Jim. I would like to share some of the highlights from our efforts to continue advancing sustainable solutions to solve our customers' problems. We continue making progress towards the commercialization of our low-carbon medical propellants with a key long-term customer contract in place and others in process. Design and engineering of a large-scale medical propellant facility in the UK has begun. Revenue streams from our next-generation medical propellant sales will include intellectual property and licensing fees for formulations in addition to propellant sales. We are working on exciting new projects in the building and infrastructure and precision agriculture businesses that we will share in the next quarter. Turning to slide six, I will provide an update to our outlook for the current year. As we enter the second half of 2024, headwinds persist, including a higher for longer interest rate environment around the world and a weak building and construction and infrastructure environment. We also see a recovery in a couple of our businesses. Our current EBITDA estimate for full year 2024 is approximately $1.3 billion should business conditions remain stable. Total capital expenditures are expected to be in the range of $500 million to $540 million for 2024, including maintenance and strategic growth-related investments. We expect our effective tax rate for the year to be between 29% and 32%, and we expect that by the end of the year, our net debt to EBITDA ratio will decrease to between 2.7 and 2.85. Looking ahead in each of our business segments to the coming quarter and the balance of the year, beginning with polymer solutions, we expect our end markets to remain relatively flat throughout the second half of the year. However, we will continue to focus on maximizing volumes, optimizing production with a focus on profitability and strict control of expenses. In building an infrastructure, we expect an improvement in the second half of the year supported by a gradual recovery in parts of EMEA and Latin America and continued benefits from optimizing operational costs. The business will remain focused on delivering cost efficiencies, growing the profitability from new geographies, and introducing new products. In precision agriculture, market conditions are expected to remain flat in most geographies due to the prevailing interest rate environment and low crop prices. The business will continue to implement strategies to grow its market penetration in extensive crops, focus on cost management, and optimize operations. In connectivity solutions, we expect the sequential volume recovery to continue throughout the second half of the year and the initial distribution of U.S. government funds for fiber deployment towards the latter part of the year. And lastly, in fluid and energy materials, for the balance of the year, we are focused on maximizing production and optimizing value across the chain. Pricing is expected to remain stable. The business will continue to focus on cost management and optimizing operations. In closing, our focus remains on proactively navigating through market challenges, through commercial, operational, and financial discipline to meet the needs of our customers and generate long-term value for our shareholders. Operator, we are ready to take questions at this time.
spk07: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. And to withdraw a question, you may press star, then 2. At this time, we will pause just momentarily to assemble our roster. And our first question today will come from Leonardo Marcondes with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk02: Well, hi everyone. Thank you for picking my questions. I have two questions here from my end. The first one is related to the guidance. It seems that the improvement is expected to come mainly from the building and infrastructure and connectivity solution segments, right? So I was wondering if you could point out what are the risks involved in these assumptions? I mean, what could impact these improvements in the second half of the year? And my second question is more related to the new projects that you guys are implementing. Could you provide some update on the PVDF and LIPFC project, please? Thank you.
spk04: Thank you, Leonardo. Let me address your question on guidance. You know, as we have talked about the outlook for the second half, you know, we demonstrated significant sequential improvement, and we want to build upon that momentum and see that momentum continue. As you rightly took away, you know, the improvements will come in the building and infrastructure business. You know, that's from seasonality. And in connectivity solutions, so we are seeing demand come back. And depending on the pace of that recovery, you know, we will see how quickly that accelerates through the course of the year. You know, as of now, you know, we have an order backlog and we are working hard to staff up the plants to meet deliveries. We are also seeing, you know, strong demand and results in our polymer solution specialty compounds business. And so, you know, that will also contribute in a significant way in the second half of the year. And now the risks to watch out for in the second half is what happens with PVC pricing. If PVC pricing remains stable where they are right now, which is in the mid to high 800s, we should be fine. And if PVC pricing goes down, that could be a downward risk. Having said that, what we have seen is today the exports from China, we are beginning to see a decline. This is partly driven by high logistics costs out of China, about $180 to $200 a ton. We have also seen Europe impose anti-dumping duties on U.S. exports of PVC, about 60% to 70%, depending on the manufacturer. So these are both factors that support a higher PVC price. And while this might, you know, put pressure on PVC exports from the U.S., you know, we have the ability to place our PVC in markets where pricing is favorable. And so, you know, we hope to manage through that situation in that manner. And then the floor and energy materials, the outlook is stable with respect to the first half of the year. Your second question was around the LIPF6 and the PVDF projects. as we had the groundbreaking ceremony for the PVDF project with our joint venture, ScienceCo, at the location in Georgia, where the polymerization facilities will be. And right now, we are in the engineering phase for that project. And we still don't have a fully developed estimate or plan for the timing of when the plant will be built. But at a high level, it should be in the 27-28 So the LIPF6 project, which is right behind the PVDF project, we presented the business case to the board earlier this week, and we have now secured the board's approval to proceed with the FEL3 level engineering for the LIPF6 project.
spk02: That's very clear. Thank you.
spk07: And our next question will come from Pablo Montevase with Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hi, Samir, Jim, and Diego. Thanks for taking my question. I have a simple question. On your optimization efforts, Samir, you mentioned that you have savings for $35 million so far. How should we see those efforts evolving for the second half of this year and how What should we expect from those for 2025? Thank you.
spk04: Great, Pablo. So, as I've said, you know, our focus has been, you know, relentlessly to drive the top line, you know, bottom line, control spending in between, you know, work hard on working capital and, you know, super discipline and CapEx allocation so that we can definitively turn this business around, you know, independent of a market recovery. So as part of these efforts, we have rolled out extensive business optimization efforts across all of Orbia in most of our businesses. And these efforts include working on SG&A cost reductions, manufacturing cost reductions, as well as optimizing our manufacturing footprint, which should take a couple of years to execute on. You can already see that in the results. We have demonstrated a $35 million year over reduction in manufacturing and SG&A costs. And you can imagine the full year impact of that of 70 million or that order of magnitude or more. And as we continue these efforts, the goal of this exercise is to restore the baseline earnings power of Orbia closer to 1.5 billion independent of any market recovery. So without counting on any market recovery, you know, the efforts that we will execute along these lines should help us to get it to 1.45 to 1.5 billion. And then, of course, then you can layer market recovery as, you know, increased interest rates go down in September as expected and that momentum continues, then we should see a release of pent-up demand. And if that market recovery comes over the next couple of years, that would be in addition to restoring the baseline. And then beyond that, you have our growth projects. And at this point, we are super selective about which growth projects we invest in. Only the highest IRR projects will get funding from a capital allocation standpoint. And in that context, I want to reemphasize that while we are working through this challenging market situation and focusing on demonstrating you know, definitive improvement in business performance quarter over quarter, we are absolutely committed to maintaining a healthy balance sheet and our investment grade rating. And we have multiple levers to manage our leverage to a reasonable level below 3.0 as we go through the next few years.
spk08: Okay. A follow-up, if I may, on the on what you just said. The 1.5 earnings power or EBITDA that you are suggesting, do you have any similar amount for like long-term maintenance CAPEX needs?
spk04: Long-term, sorry? Maintenance CAPEX?
spk08: CAPEX, yes.
spk04: Yeah. So, you know, our maintenance CAPEX, you know, depending on the year, you know, there are some plants for which the turnaround happens only once in two years or once in three years. So depending on the year, the maintenance capex is typically between 270 and 300 million every year. And then on top of that, we have the growth capital. Now for this year, you know, we are striving to get to the low 500s in terms of total capital. So let's say the midpoint of our guidance is 520, and of which 270 will be maintenance capex and the rest is the growth capex. And then Over the next couple of years, we are going to be super disciplined with respect to growth capital, such that only the highest IRR projects are funded. And then we've already made several growth capital investments. Of course, these are smaller investments in the building and infrastructure business, in connectivity solutions, in precision agriculture, in the compound business. These have already been deployed and will begin to start contributing to results. you know, in the second half of this year and in next year. And so those should also start to contribute to the earnings meaningfully.
spk08: Perfect. Very clear. Thank you very much.
spk04: Yeah.
spk07: And our next question will come from Pablo Recalde with Santander. Please go ahead.
spk01: My question is a follow-up on Pablo's question on the topic. how much of these 520 million capex guidance should go to that energy division?
spk04: So the balance of the, it's about 250 in total that is going to growth capital this year. You know, we can get this number to you offline off the top of my head. This year, we are only focused on engineering for both of those projects. And so, you know, We can confirm the precise numbers offline, but I would imagine it would be in the tens of millions. Okay.
spk01: Okay. So we've got maybe 250 million. Everything should be close on the energy side.
spk04: Yeah, about 50 of the 250, let's say. Perfect. Yeah.
spk07: And our next question will come from Andres Tardona with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hi, good morning, Samir, Jim. I have two questions. The first one, you need a revision to the guidance range. So you talk already about the sequential improvement, but versus the initial expectations, what are the reasons that are lagging versus those ones? And the second one is, can we expect, what can we expect in terms of FDA margin for the ATACOM segment in the second half of the year? Thank you, guys.
spk04: Thank you, Andres, for your question. Now, in terms of EBITDA guidance, we had guided in the early part of the year 1.3 to 1.4 billion, with a midpoint of around 1.35. And There's a couple of reasons why we've guided that lower. First, we've had the one-off impacts of the water situation that we experienced in Mexico that impacted the polymer solutions results for this quarter. If that hadn't happened, we would have had even better performance. Then we've had a few one-offs. We've mentioned $13 million of one-off charges related to legal provisions and restructuring costs. And so, you know, just accounting for those, you know, would take it slightly below that midpoint. And then it still remains to be seen how PVC pricing will evolve for the rest of the year, okay? Now, our thesis is it should stay stable. But in case there is a, you know, slight decline, then, you know, we just want to make sure that we take that into account in our outlook, right? Now, we haven't factored in any benefits of potential interest rate reductions or increase in demand for the rest of the year. At this point, it remains to be seen what actually happens. In terms of margins for the Datacom business, Jim, in the second half, we expect connectivity solutions to have around 19% to 20% margins. As I said, we have seen significant order uptake. particularly in standard ducts. Customers, the key accounts are still working through their inventories of advanced products. You know, that should also begin to accelerate in the second half of the year. The bead infrastructure funding is taking a while to be rolled out by the states, and so we don't anticipate that to have a significant beneficial impact until late in the year, but should definitely have a very positive impact in 2025.
spk06: Thank you, Samir and Jim.
spk07: And our next question will come from Caso Vasconcelos with UBS. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hey, Samir. Hi, Jim. Thanks for taking my questions here. I think I have two questions for Samir. Samir, first, I think it would be great to hear from you your thoughts on what are you seeing as potential impacts following the elections, either in Mexico or the one to be hosted later on the United States. What are the main impacts? potentially challenge or issues or opportunities that you see, I don't know, maybe in terms of potential benefits, increasing or reducing taxes, import taxes, and so on. So just to get your thoughts here on the main challenge and opportunities on these bulk elections. A second question, you guys did provide this guidance of the net debt ratio by the year end. but in case this scenario doesn't improve or if this challenging environment persists for longer, is there any alternatives on the table, eventually portfolio evaluation and so on? What would be the main alternatives for Orbia? Those are my two main questions. Thank you.
spk04: Excellent questions, Gonzales. So let me first talk about the impact of both elections. Let's take the Mexico election first. Orbea is very proud of its deep roots and long history in Mexico and is committed to operating and investing in Mexico for the long term. We believe that Mexico represents an exceptional opportunity for business and investment and is uniquely positioned to succeed in the global economy. We are grateful to the communities where we operate and to our large and extremely capable team in Mexico. With this outlook, we take our responsibilities to our many Mexican shareholders extremely seriously and look forward to productive engagement with the new administration. We are optimistic that it will support fair, clear, and balanced regulation that respects the interests of various stakeholders involved and creates a favorable environment for continued investment in growth. And we continue to believe in the nearshoring story. You know, it's very clear that for critical industries such as batteries and semiconductors. The United States wants to decouple from China, and that is independent of whether we have a Democratic president or a Republican president in the United States. Mexico will play a very important role in the nearshoring of critical materials and minerals for both the battery and semiconductor industries, and I think we are very well positioned to play an important role there. As far as the U.S. elections are concerned, it's not clear at this point. It's pretty balanced in terms of outlook. We are prepared for either scenario. We don't see any material impact to our businesses in the U.S. for the long term because both sides are committed to investing in long-term growth in the U.S. And all of our U.S. investments should benefit from that outlook. On your second question on net debt to EBITDA, and, you know, we've provided a range of 2.7 to 2.85, right? I mean, and that range is in line with our guidance, you know, for EBITDA for the year. And, you know, And that range basically takes into account some uncertainties that you might see with respect to earnings or cash generation, timing of cash generation. And so we feel quite comfortable about that. And you asked about what are our levers. And in terms of levers, we are focused on creating shareholder value, including through regularly assessing our portfolio of businesses, and ensuring that we are maximizing synergies and operating efficiencies. Where we identify concrete opportunities to increase shareholder value, for example, by sharpening a strategic focus and strengthening a balance sheet, we will pursue those opportunities. But it's too early to discuss that at this point.
spk07: And our next question will come from Till Mullins with Schroeders. Please go ahead. Thank you.
spk03: Hello, and thanks for taking my question. It is about anything that you might be planning to do in the debt capture markets, perhaps with a view on 2025 after the U.S. elections are done and the world is, at least, to be expected in a bit of a more stable environment. What are your thoughts there? What debts would you be tackling, and what other factors are you looking at?
spk05: Hello, Tim. This is Jim. I'll address that. So in terms of our desire to be in the capital markets or debt markets in the near term, I wouldn't say that there is anything that is planned for the immediate term, other than the fact that in 2025, we do have some of our Mexican Saboris notes, about $300 million that are coming due. So we will be looking to address the possible refinancing of those going forward. And then, you know, in the following years, we do have about 600 million coming due in 26, another 500 in 27. So we'll be, you know, looking strategically at where rates are going and where there may be the best opportunities available to us to begin to look at how we refinance those. And we'll be looking certainly well in advance of when those maturities are taking place. But I wouldn't say that there's anything planned for the immediate term in terms of accessing the markets. You know, as Samir has been talking about, we are committed to maintaining our investment grade ratings on our debt and working on the optimization of our results and making sure that we maintain a reasonable leverage level here going forward.
spk07: Great. Thank you, James.
spk05: You're welcome.
spk07: And our next question will come from Alexandra Obregon with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk00: Hi, good morning. Thank you, Orbitim, for taking my question. I guess I wanted to dive a little bit more into CODA, especially on the volume dynamics. So you did mention that you're seeing some disruptions because of the HFC phase out, but I was hoping to get more color on the volume of the ROC itself. Are you seeing any changes on the dynamics of the exports of the ROC to the U.S.? For example, Samir, you did mention that some commodities might become critical for the U.S. agenda. So anything on the volume dynamics for MedSpar and AssetSpar, that would be fantastic. Thank you.
spk04: So, Alexandra, as you know, our approach in floor is to – I mean, we are always in a sold-out state. So we are production limited at the mine. And so whatever we produce, we can sell. And what I can tell you is if you look at globally the supply and demand for floor spar, it's getting tighter and tighter. You can go look at the China IOL prices for floor spar, both asset spar and net spar, and they have continuously gone up. So one of the challenges we faced in Q2 is during the dry season when we didn't have enough water, you know, and it impacted our ability to produce as a spar. And after the rains, you know, we have significantly ramped up production and are hoping to catch up in the second half of the year. But the philosophy on volumes there is we will be able to place and sell every time we produce, and the pricing is stable to increase. The negative volume impact is on refrigerants. And now it's not a disruption. This is a planned phase down of HFCs over time. And so 2024 is a year in which the quota stepped down. And so we fully anticipated and expected the volume impact of refrigerants going down. Now, typically what happens in a quota environment, when volumes go down, you expect prices to go up. But that typically takes a lag of nine months, 12 months, 15 months. We've seen this play out in Europe. And you can see that, you know, with the pricing in Europe today, you know, pricing for refrigerants in Europe is more than $25 a kg. Pricing in the U.S. is around $10 a kg. Typically, in the year before the quota goes down, customers build up inventories in anticipation of the quota going down. And it takes a while for them to work through those inventories. which is why there is a lag on when the pricing goes up. The pricing has to go up because eventually, you know, the prices of the next generation refrigerant, which is one, two, three, four YF, that's around $60 a kg. So the customer has a choice of using the current generation refrigerant and paying for the quota or using the new generation refrigerant. So the design of the whole quota scheme is to let those prices converge over time. So the, The price of the next-generation refrigerant should come down. The price of the current-generation refrigerant goes up, and then they match. This is what's happening in Europe as we speak. So we expect this to happen sometime next year. And until then, our focus is on maximizing the value of our quota for this year and placing our volumes and quota and maximizing value in that process. So we will sell every ton we produce, yeah, and we will place every ton of quota that we have.
spk00: Gotcha. That was very clear. Thank you very much, Samir.
spk04: Thank you all again.
spk07: Again, if you have a question, you may press star to join the queue. Please stand by while we assemble a roster.
spk01: Okay.
spk07: And with no remaining questions, this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Sameer Bharadwaj for any closing remarks.
spk04: Thank you, Joe. So I'd like to emphasize that our focus right now is a relentless focus on improving the current business performance and definitively turning it around independent of the timing of a market recovery. And we have demonstrated significant sequential improvement. We want to maintain and build upon that momentum. We have lost extensive business optimization efforts across the company, which will have a significant impact over the next two years and restore the baseline closer to 1.45 to 1.5 billion without any market recovery. And then as you see the markets recover, with interest rates coming down and business activity picking up, you know, that should provide a significant boost. Simultaneously, as I've said before, and I'll repeat this, you know, we will be very disciplined towards our capital and only invest in the highest return growth projects, 100% committed to a very strong balance sheet and an investment grade rating, and we have multiple levers to manage that. With that, I'd like to thank everybody for your interest in Orbia and for being investors, and look forward to the next update at the end of next quarter.
spk07: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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