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Nordhealth As
11/13/2025
Hi everyone, and welcome to the NordHealth investor presentation for Q3 2025. As usual, we'll have myself, Charles McBain, the CEO of NordHealth, and my colleague Alex, our CFO, go through this presentation. So we'll start off with the company update. Then we'll go to veterinary business unit update and therapy business unit update. Then Alex will go through the financial update. And we'll leave some time at the end for questions. So please hold your questions until the Q&A session. On the company update, so the last couple of years we have grown at a CAGR of 47%. to a signed AR of 46.5 at the end of Q3 2025. As you can see, the majority of this growth has come from organic AR growth, but some as well in 2019, 2021, and 2022 from M&A. Looking at the year-over-year growth, we grew 10.6% in the ending Q3 2025. 10.7% was net upsell, primarily driven by private expansion. Then you can also see that ProVet cloud signed non-implement AR is 1.6, which does not as well include the Vets for Pets, the Merivet AR from rollout, which is around 4.5 million. Our churn rate is around 4% per annum. Looking at how we unpack growth over periods of time, you can see that this, in the last 12 months ending Q3 2025, our implemented AR growth was 10.6%. New customers accounted for 3.9%. Net upsell was 10.7%. churn rate was 4%, and this leads to a net retention rate of around 107%. And then lifetime value to CAC ratio, 16.4%. What's noticeable is that the net upsell is lower than historical, as we have not rolled out any large veterinary enterprise customers this year, like we have, for example, in 2024 and 2023. From an EBITDA monies capex perspective, We have actually been re-accelerating our investments in R&D to take advantage of the growth opportunities. There are two specific growth opportunities we'll discuss later, but the primary one is investments in building up a DACH team to be able to migrate FedFab, but also win additional new customers in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. The second is investments in adding AI capabilities to all of our practice management softwares. On the veterinary side, we signed about half a million of new customer AR in Q3. We actually implemented all of PetVet365's 35 clinics, and this was completed in Q3 2025. Our clinical AI add-on was launched in August, and we've got already 122 paying vets signed up at the end of Q3 2025. And our priorities remain, one, winning enterprise deals in growth markets. Second, continuing the implementation of large enterprise clients underway, notably Amerivet and Vets for Pets. Three, it's migrating legacy platforms, so Salomalis and VetVision. And soon, Fourth will be the DACH localization. So we've got the team in place now to be able to localize the product for the DACH region, starting with Austria, then Germany, then Switzerland. And once those are done, we'll slowly be starting the migration of Vetra. We've already migrated a few clinics already in Austria, pilot customers. And then we'll go on to Germany. There's significant interest from enterprise in Germany for a new cloud software. And last but not least, we've been investing a lot in modernizing and improving the user experience of our core product and adding AI features to be able to make workflows in Vecta Nix faster. Breaking down the growth of the last 12 months and in Q3 2025, we grew 13.3%. Our net retention rate was around 110%, and this is primarily driven by enterprise clients rolling out new clinics. Our churn remains very low, around 3%. Important to note, as I mentioned on the first few slides, is that Vets for Pets and AmeriVet post-pilot rollout AR is not included in the 1.6, and that's estimated around 4.5 million euros. Breaking down the growth? of 13.3%. New customer account for 3.4%. This is lower than previous years. But net upsell was 12.8%. Again, lower than 2024, given the fact that we haven't implemented many new enterprise customers. But our churn remains very low and has dropped to 3% from 4.8% in 2024. Our net retention rate stays strong at around 110%. And LTV discount is incredibly strong in 24.4%. Retinent profitability at the Retinary BU, we've invested a 1.3 million additional in R&D and CAC, but that's been mostly offset by 1.5 million euros in additional cash flow generated from growing our revenue base. The R&D activities have been mostly focused around AI investments and also the DACH localization. Breaking down the revenue by country over time, you can see that we have successfully been able to grow outside the Nordics, whereas the majority of our revenue in 2021 came from the Nordics, 9.4 of 10 million. Now, more than half our business is from outside the Nordics, with the UK being a very strong growth driver. Now, taking a look at the type of customers that accounts for our growth, we can see that the majority of our growth has actually been powered by enterprise. And so ProVet has a very strong value proposition for enterprise customers or consolidators in Europe, but also in the U.S., In addition, you can see that we've also built up a very strong partner ecosystem and payments infrastructure that enables us to have 3.3 million from those revenue sources. But despite the fact that we've got 12.1 million of enterprise revenue, our top three customers composed less than 22% of our AR. So we've got quite low customer concentration risks. We've discussed many times the migrations of Salomonas, VetServe, and soon VetVision this year, and soon Vetra as well. And you can see that whereas the majority of our revenue was on non-cloud in 2021, Now the vast majority is on our ProPet software. So we've successfully proven that we can actually migrate clinics that we've acquired historically. On the therapy side, we've migrated at the end of September 333 Aspet customers to the Unified platform. The Unified platform is a much faster and cleaner software for our users. and we continue to migrate uh aspect users every week a thousand years which is still less than five percent of practitioners have activated the ai assistant and we've delivered over 60 000 ai generated summaries over 27 000 hours of transcribed in q3 2023. And what's been really impressive is that our conversion rate from free trials has been 20%. Our sign AR in Q3 has been 307. And the priorities remain twofold. First is the aspect user migration to the Unified platform. Second, we've been continuously developing our AI products and be able to sign up new practitioners to AI product. Looking at the growth, our focus has been on migration and less so on growth beyond the AI products. We grew 6.4% year-over-year. What we can see is our net retention rate is just above 100%, at 102%, and our churn rate is decreasing at 5.6%. Breaking down that growth, you can see that As I mentioned, one is our net upsell is up versus 2023 and 2024. This is mainly driven by the fact that we have an AI product now to upsell. We haven't been focusing much on growth, which we can see from the 4.7% growth, as we're focusing mostly on migration. And our churn rate, despite the fact that we're migrating, has remained at around 5.6%. Our LTVD CAC is 9.1. Here you can see from EBITDA and CAPEX perspective that our growth generated 0.7 additional cash flow, but we spent 1.9 million in additional R&D and customer acquisition costs to be able to accelerate the migration and the growth. The reason we decided to do that is that the faster we're able to migrate, the faster we're able to get 2.8 million euros in annual savings, and the more customers we can have to be able to upsell our AI-ascribed features to. As you can see, we've started to make an event on the migration, and you can see this in Q3 2025. Now over to Alex for the financial update.
Thanks, Charles. And hello, everyone. So jumping straight into reported revenue, in Q3 2025, we did $12.9 million of revenue, which is a 15.2% increase versus the same quarter last year. Our underlying recurring revenue growth was 10.8%, going from 10.4 million in Q3 2024 to 11.5 million in Q3 2025. The Q3 year-on-year increase in other revenue comes from implementation revenue linked to current enterprise rollouts. By Q3 last year, we had completed most of the rollout of CVS, and so the largest implementation revenues related to CVS were in Q1 and Q2 in 2024. This also explains why the Q3 2025 share of recurring revenue is 80.89%, slightly below the 92.6% share in Q3 2024. For Q3 year-to-date reported revenues, The total reported revenue grew by 14% on the next slide from 33.6 million in 2024 to 33.8 million in 2025. Year to date, our implementation revenue, if we can just move on to the next slide, please. Year to date, our implementation revenue has been relatively similar between 2024 and 2025, and so our increasing base of recurring revenue has meant that our share of recurring revenue has gone up from 87.8% in 2024 to 88.4% in 2025. I'd also like to highlight that our core veterinary and therapy business units continue to outperform our smaller other businesses, So when we strip out the other businesses, recurring revenue for the two core business units has actually grown by 16.6% year on year. Now on the next slide, quarterly adjusted EBITDA minus capex. In Q3 2025, we reduced by 0.3 million year on year to an adjusted EBITDA minus capex of negative 0.2 million. Recurring revenue grew by 1.1 million year on year. Cogs and customer service also grew by 0.9 million. The growth in these direct costs is higher than proportional to the revenue growth due to the temporary need for extra client support for the early migrated therapy clients. The largest item impacting adjusted EBITDA minus capex is product development expenditure, which has grown by 0.8 million year on year. As we announced earlier this year, we've taken the decision to step up our investments in product development for AI feature development and DAC localization. Year-to-date for Q3 2025, total adjusted EBITDA minus capex was negative 2 million compared to negative 0.7 million in 2024. The year-to-date adjusted EBITDA minus capex changes are also related to increased product development spend, where we have spent 2.6 million more year-to-date in 2025 than we did in 2024. We've also increased our sales and marketing investments by 0.3 million to help accelerate growth in our target markets. Looking now at cash flow. In Q3 2025 year to date, we had a cash outflow of 1.6 million, which is an improvement of 0.5 million compared to 2024. The year-to-date improvement is primarily driven by the 1.3 million adverse movement in adjusted EBITDA minus capex, offset by 0.7 million of favourable movements in trade debtors, as we've been improving collections, and also by a 1.1 million favourable sum of other working capital movements, including other items affecting profitability, non-cash items, and improved operating working capital. Finally, looking at the September 2025 balance sheet, cash is at September is 16.5 million, of which 12.1 million is in money market funds. There were no changes to goodwill in Q3 2025, except amortization and changes due to FX. There was no external financing taken in Q3 2025. We did complete a share buyback in July, where we bought 300,000 shares for 36 NOC, so this gave us an additional 0.9 million of Treasury shares. North Health's equity balance remains healthy at 65.4 million, and the company has no interest-bearing debt. The full detailed financial statements for Q3 2025, including the P&L, the balance sheet and the cash flow, are all included in the appendices. So now onto guidance. We're reiterating our full year 2025 guidance on VET plus therapy recurring revenue based on December 2024 constant currency and excluding acquisitions of 12 to 17% growth. Our Q3 year to date 2025 actual is 16.6% growth. Similarly, for adjusted EBITDA minus CAPEX, we're again reiterating our full year guidance of between negative 4 million and negative 2 million, excluding acquisitions. Our Q3 year-to-date 2025 actual is negative 2 million, and we will be presenting guidance for 2026 at the Q4 2025 results presentation. Lastly, regarding the financial calendar, the Q4 and full year 2025 results will be presented on the 3rd of March, 2026, and we'll publish the full financial calendar for 2026 on the website before the 31st of December. I'll now turn back to Charles for Q&A.
Thank you very much, Alex. Now, after Q&A, so feel free to ask questions by raising your hand or just asking questions in the chat. as well that we can answer. So we got one question now. I'll repeat the question and then I'll either answer it or have Alex answer it on my behalf. The first question is, can you quantify the current revenue contributions from your newly launched AI features, even if it's small at this stage? And looking ahead to 2026, how material do you expect AI related upselling to be for overall AR? We haven't broken down the AR revenue yet by business units. As it comes more substantial, we might look to do that. Currently, if we look at the pricing of the AI Scribe loan relative to the pricing of the practice management software, it can be 50% higher. It can add 50% more to our AR. That means if someone pays, for example, $100, they could pay $150 for including the AI features. And that's just for the AI Scribe. In addition, We're looking at expanding beyond that into an AI receptionist where you'll be able to pay their tickets, but we see a significant opportunity to be able to grow average revenue per user over the coming years. Adoption. will over time increase, and we don't see any reason why the vast majority of our users should not be using our AI tools. The only risk to that is that we've seen over time the price for AI squads in the market going down. where they used to be at 129 euros per user. Now we're seeing the average price go down a bit. It's somewhat stabilized, but it's between 50 and 75 now for standalone AI. Next question is, there have been reports of increased downtime with Provec in Europe recently, which has negatively impacted your customers' ability to run their operations. What have the issues been, and what are you doing to address them? Yes, AWS has had issues, which is our provider that we use for hosting on the ProVet side. So there were two separate issues that happened. One was AWS East going down, which affected some of our integrations. And the second one was an AWS error. So AWS took responsibility for those. What we've done is working with them to try to make sure that does not happen anymore. We've also, in addition, we split the database into multiple different smaller environments so that if ever there is an error again, it doesn't affect all environments. The next is regarding your 2023 capital markets day targets. You guided around 20% EBITDA on these capex margins by 2027. Are you still confident in reaching that goal? And what are the main drivers supporting that confidence? Our targets that we set in the capital markets day, we have not updated those, and those are still the current targets. Given the There's always a trade-off between growth and profitability. And with our investment AI, we could be able to not only have more revenue, but also can have a huge impact in terms of operations as well. So, for example, customer service costs as a percentage of revenue could go down. The amount of people we need to be able to develop the same amount of code is not as much, so we don't have to hire as many net new people. There's huge opportunities as well in implementation to be able to automate a lot of the work there. So, yes, these are still valid targets. So question on, are you considering any measures to improve liquidity of the Nord Health Share? For instance, through increased investor outreach, changing investing vetting, or other initiatives? We did mention during the IPO and we reiterated it during the capital market date that we are looking to do an upmarket listing. Step one of that will be to shift from the region gap to IFRS. And step two will be to actually migrate and uplist. We haven't made a final decision yet on the market and that we would uplist. And we have not yet given timing on the uplisting. But that is still our intentions. There's, you own and control more than 50% of Nord Health. Given the potential role conflicts impact on board competition, why would you accept 2.4 million shares option to be incentivized on share price? There is a... I do not control 50%. I control around 40% of the Nord Health shares. I'm not sure what the conflict is there. The... I'm not on, actually, the board at Nord Health. The board is made up of, intentionally, Yana, who's a major shareholder, Philippe Binmar, and also Didier Breton. And there are two independent board members, in addition to Yana, who works at the company. And they make decisions on compensation costs. In terms of why share-based, given that I've had liquidity, I prefer to shift most of my compensation to shares, not to cash, so that I'm fully aligned with the shareholders. Next is a question from Torian on quite a large sequential step-down in gross margin. Is this solely driven by aspect migrations, or are there other contributing factors? How many customers remain on aspects, and how should we think about timing with regard to finalization of migration? On the first one, there are two things affecting gross margins. One has been on Aspit. The legacy solution is increasingly more expensive to maintain, as the costs to host it on Citrix, for example, and Microsoft's license fees cost have increased quite substantially. The second has been on the Vetra side. We've also been increasing the amount that we're spending on customer service to be able to improve the quality of customer service. On how many customers remain on Aspects, we have migrated, as we said, 333, and there's around over 7,000 users on Aspects. So there's still a significant amount of users still on the legacy platform. Our strategy for migration is to break up the customers into different user segments and migrate one segment at a time, ensuring that each segment that we migrate are happy. We have not provided a final time on migration, as it's really hard for us to assess exactly when each of these segments will be happy. Also, it's intentional that we don't set an end of life until we've got clear visibility and a full product market fit for each of the segments. Otherwise, it does worry the market, where word of mouth is incredibly powerful. Why are vets for pets and a mare vet not yet included in the signed ARR? So for Vets for Pets and AmeriVets and all other enterprises, we only add them to sign the AR when we have a pilot completion and we've got a rollout plan agreed with them, just to be conservative. The next question is, what is your progress and status on the multi-year effort of making ProVet best in class on user experience and efficiency in terms of number of clicks and for the most common operations? Our goal for ProVets is to make it the best software in terms of the speed at which a workflow is completing. And there are two levers we have for this. I'll give you a good example. One is improving UX, so figuring out what is the most efficient path that a user can take to complete an action. And second, with the new lever that we have in AI, we can also think about can we completely rethink this path. A good example is a consultation page where historically at the open consultation page, add clinical notes, add the weights, add vitals, add a diagnosis, and all typing into different fields and so on. Now, you can just press one button, activate DEI Scribe. It not only writes all your text, which is what's currently out now for customers, but the next version coming out that it figures out if you're adding medicines, adding diagnosis, vitals, and so on, and that can fully automate that process. So it would be one-click consultation. So it's a very exciting time, and the ability for PIMS to be able to dramatically improve efficiency is heightened now. Great. Yes, so there's a question on, and you could also comment on the current competitive landscape, both from new AI native applications and from other EHR providers across your veterinary and therapy segments. So in terms of AI-native applications, there are two different types. There's AI scribes, and there's hundreds of AI scribes in the markets. In the end, they're just a wrapper over an AI model. They do have some good functionalities to make it specific for their specialties. But I do not believe that these AI scribes in the end will become a standard part of practice management softwares. They won't be a separate software. We've seen this again and again historically. For example, online booking used to be a separate add-on with separate priorities. Now it's a core part of any practice management software. Given the data lives in the practice management software, an AI scribe only has the history that it sees from this one consultation. We've got the full view of that patient's history. And so not only for the AI scribe, but also for, for example, patient history summarization, we're in a prime position to be able to win. However, there are some AI-native practice management software which are popping up. We're seeing some in the UK. for example, and another one in continental Europe on the veterinary side. On the therapy side, there is a lot of regulation and a lot more regulation on veterinary, and so we're not seeing as much AI-native practice management software in the markets we operate in. There's a question, when do we plan to reignite the growth in the therapy segment? So I've learned the hard way to focus on one thing at a time to get that done. So when I first started the business, we were focusing on we went in too many countries at the same time. And so it diluted our efforts. And diluting your efforts means when you face a localization means that you have to go after one user segment. and make sure you're localized in the next one, the next one, and so on. And so if you spread yourself too thin, the pace at which you can fulfill a problem that you encounter is much slowed down because you're working on multiple fronts. So on therapy, we want to make sure we nail this migration. Then once the migration is done, right, from a product perspective, we can focus on the next growth market. This is a very similar path that we took on the veterinary side as well. We're going into that new market one after the next. The issue we have in therapy is that instead of spending sales and marketing dollars to actually acquire those customers, we pre-acquired them by the acquisition, and now we're rolling them out. Great. Any other questions? Perfect. Well, thank you very much. And thank you for the engaging questions. And we will see you all next quarter. Thank you.