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Ntt Inc. S/Ads
11/7/2024
We will now start the briefing session on fiscal year 2024 second quarter financial results of NTT. I am Hanaki from the IR office and will serve as the facilitator today. First, I will introduce today's attendees. Shimada, Representative Member of the Board, President and CEO. Hiroi, Representative Member of the Board, Senior Executive Vice President. Nakamura, Executive Officer, Head of Finance and Accounting. Hattori, Executive Officer, Head of Corporate Strategy and Planning. Today's briefing session is streamed live. We are planning to stream it on our website at a later date, so we seek your understanding beforehand. As for today's explanation materials, please refer to presentation materials posted on our company IR website. The first page shows the points to be noted, so please go through it as well. Now, President and CEO Shimada will explain the outline of the financial results, followed by Q&A from you. Mr. Shimada, please go ahead.
Thank you. I'd like to present to you the second quarter results for fiscal year 2024. Thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate your attendance. Please turn to page four of your material. First, operating revenue increased, operating profit decreased, and profit also decreased, but EBITDA increased year on year. Operating revenue reached new record high level as the second quarter. Also, second quarter operating profit is now in positive territory on a standalone basis. As for operating revenue, this increased 226.1 billion yen and reached 6,519.6 billion yen. Of this increase, positive impact of the currency was roughly 100 billion yen. As for operating profit, while entity data's group profit increased and smart life business expanded, fixed line communication service revenue continued to decline, and Docomo implemented measures to reinforce its customer base. So operating profit decreased 30.7 billion yen down to 120.3 billion yen year on year. but the projection for the second quarter on a certain basis was not indicated, but based on the internal plan, the performance actually exceeded our internal plan for the second quarter. Also, as a result of marketing reinforcement, net addition for fiber service increased year on year in the first half, and there are now signs of improvement in the mobile number portability performance. We will continue to reinforce customer base and improve network quality and accelerate cost efficiency improvement and expansion of the enterprise business to deliver the consolidated profit plan. Now, due to the decline in operating profit and reaction to the proceeds from sales of stock in the previous year, profit decreased 116.1 billion yen down to 554.8 billion yen. As our cash generating ability improved due to increase in revenue from growth areas such as data center, EBITDA increased 12 billion yen year on year and went up to 1,685.6 billion yen. Please turn to page 5. This shows you contribution factors per segment, starting with integrated ICT business segment. Although mobile communication service revenue declined, growth in finance and payment in smart life business enabled increase in operating profit, operating revenue year on year. Also, while smart life business profit increased, the segment open profit decrease due to customer-based reinforcement measures. As I mentioned earlier, we'll implement customer-based reinforcement measures, network quality improvement, and we'll further improve cost efficiency in order to deliver the annual plan. Turning now to regional communication business segment. Operating revenue and profit both declined due to drop in network revenue and increase in disaster recovery expense. As for net ads for fibers, this is now impassive territory because of marketing reinforcement of 10 giga plan as well as the success of bulk internet agreement. Both operating revenue and profit are in line with our expectations. We will continue to pursue business selection and focus, and actively undertake fundamental review of our cost structure, such as transformation of our operations. As for global solution business segment, operating revenue increased year on year from increase in public finance and enterprise sector in Japan, as well as the favorable impact from foreign exchange. Operating profit increased driven by increase in profit in Japan, as well as increase in overseas data center profit and drop in structural transformation cost. In other segment, operating revenue and profit both increased year-on-year due to increase in data center engineering revenue at NTD Urban Solutions. Next, I'd like to cover some topics, if I may. Let me first start with the initiatives with Toyota Motor Corporation in the mobility field, which we announced at the joint press conference in the recent. Let me talk about this particular initiative with Toyota Motor Company. Next. Initiatives to promote autonomous driving services. In November 2023, Entity acquired an investment in a company called Main Mobility in the United States. Also in August 2024, Entity was decided to invest in a company called Navy Mobility in France to promote the social implementation of autonomous driving services. We're implementing initiatives in various locations in order to achieve safer and more secure autonomous driving services, including Japan's first regular operation of autonomous vehicles on roadways in Aichi Prefecture. If you'd like to share the video of the initiative in Nagoya, please take a look at this video.
The operation will start today and next March 17th. Until the next year, so March 17th, we would like to do this testing operation. Next, I would like to explain about achieving the world's first international ion-APN connection. Adding to existing IOWN AP and connections between data centers within Japan and overseas, in August 2024, we achieved the world's first international connection, connecting Japan and Taiwan across the distance of approximately 3,000 kilometers. By connecting a long distance with low latency and no jitter communication, will enable us to provide international data backup and replication services in the future. Next, I would like to explain about the land-based aquaculture initiatives. NTT Green and Food plans to begin operating one of the largest land-based shrimp aquaculture facilities in Japan in Iwata City, Shizuoka Prefecture in this December. Together with the production volume of Kaiko Yukinoya Godo Gaisha, which became a subsidiary in August, we plan to become the largest land-based shrimp aquaculture producer in Japan. Various initiatives are ongoing in each group company. Therefore, as an entity group, we will continue to solve challenges faced by the fisheries industry, improve added values, and contribute to industrial development and regional revitalization. Green and food. After the flounder aquaculture, this is going to be their second initiative. Next, as for the progress under the medium-term management strategy since this August is as shown here. Next is regarding dividend. It has been increasing continuously, as shown, however, given the amendment to the NTT Act. This April, we will move the interim dividend payment date to an earlier date. We plan the payment to start to be at November 29th. Last year, it was December 18th, so it has been moved up quite a bit. Next is regarding the share buybacks. Within up to 200 billion yen amount that was resolved, we have conducted share buyback of 88.3 billion yen as end of October, and the progress rate is approximately 40% and progressing as planned. Lastly, I would like to explain the state of shareholder count. This has been explained in our last financial results announcements. However, since then, there was a further increase, and as of the end of September, the number of shareholders has grown by 2.7 times compared to prior to the stock split to 2.44 million, setting a new record high. As shown in the right-hand pie chart, the diversification of age composition is also progressing, which means that various generations of age are holding our shares. This concludes my
Thank you, Mr. Shimada. We'd now like to go on to the Q&A session. We'd like to take questions from those of you here on site first, and then go on to take questions from those of you who are connected online. We'll take questions from those of you who are already connected to the conference system. For those who won't ask questions on site, please wait for the microphone to be brought over to you. So please raise your hand if you wish to ask questions. Those of you who are connected online, please use the raise hand button function on the web conference system if you wish to ask questions. If you wish to cancel your question, please push the raise hand button once again. When we designate to you, please state your name and affiliation. So if we ask you to switch off your mute, please unlock the mute function and ask a question. Please make sure that you remain unmuted until the response from our side is over. So we'll now take questions from those members who are here on site. Yes, let's take the first question from those of you here on site. Thank you. Masano from Nomura Securities. I'd like to ask two questions. First is about the general situation. I think you've seen very good profit for this particular quarter, and the stock prices are now increasing. Can you share with us your evaluation for the overall performance? You mentioned that the performance actually exceeded your internal plan. But compared with my own calculation, I think Global did very well. Regional communication also did very well in comparison with my performance. I was very conservative about the real estate, and so your performance did very well. Now, integrated ICT was somewhat lower than my own expectations, so that's my personal of your performance, so can you give us your comment, evaluation for your overall performance? What type of progress did you envision for each business segment? I would appreciate your response. Yes, thank you for the question. Let me respond to your question one by one with regard to integrated ICT business, which relates to Docomo's performance. This was mentioned during the press conference earlier, but I think for this, it's important that we focus on reinforcing the customer base at Docomo, and also we need to improve the communication network quality at all costs. We need to really focus on these two issues. So that is what I have instructed to our staff, our people at Docomo as well. So in reality, If we want to reinforce our customer base, this will entail some cost. And also, if we want to improve network quality, then this does require a certain amount of investment and cost. Of course, it's important that we achieve the annual target plan. But what is more important is that we address these two issues that I mentioned earlier. We really need to focus on addressing these two very important issues and challenges. So, Mr. Maeda, I ask that you need to achieve the plan, but at the same time also address the two issues at the same time. I realize that this is a very tall order. It's very difficult for me to come around and say that we can forget the performance is just as much as possible because that's what's the reason. Oh, sorry. Now, I'm sure Tokomo will talk about the integrated ICT business later on during their meeting. But as a result of these efforts, we're beginning to see an outcome, and we have seen positive turnout, positive turn, rather, in the mobile number portability program. And also, migration from old plan is also very well. Already, we were at 60% for Eximo, but we've already exceeded 60% in terms of the customer selection rate of Eximo of 60%. In the case of Idemo, WE HAVE FOUND THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOT CHOSEN INUMO COMPARED WITH THE INITIAL EXPECTATION. SO OVERALL, WE'RE BEING TO SEE FLAT OR POOL AS A RESULT OF THESE FACTORS. LET ME TURN TO THE REGIONAL COMMUNICATION, IN PARTICULAR WITH REGARD TO NTT EAST AND WEST. WITH REGARD TO NTT EAST AND WEST, NET ADDITIONS FOR FIBER IS NOW BEGINNING TO RECOVER. We launched the cross-service. That's one reason. And also, the bulk internet arrangement for condominiums and multi-family dwellings have really produced some results. Originally, at the market, I think there was still growth in the market. So our market share was declined despite the expansion of the marketplace. So we need to revisit that. We need to rewind our performance. And I'm confident that as long as we reinforce our efforts, we'll be able to enjoy stronger sales. And that turned out to be right. Also, we want to reinforce our enterprise-related services as well as a result. And so connectivity data centers are now increasing in terms of the demand. So I think revenue and sales will continue to expand. And of course, communication. I think we'll be able to work harder so that we'll be able to capture an increase in revenue. So cost, as far as cost is concerned, this is in line with initial expectations. Overall performance is exceeding initial expectations as a result. With regard to data, I believe yesterday there was already a press conference by NTD Data. Their performance was very strong. And now they're going to exceed the full year plan. So I hope that they will continue to work as hard during the second half as well. That is my expectation for Entity Data Group. As for the other segment, again, data center sees very strong demand still for Entity Group as a whole. We're now beginning to build up data centers for clients outside our group, and the entity facilities has really picked up as a result of increased orders from non-entity group companies for data center buildup. So in the other segment, I think this is the most encouraging growth factor for us. So that's my comment on the overall performance of the company. Again, we have more or less exceeded our internal expectations for the year. So I think we did very well as the second quarter performance. Thank you. That's all.
I just wanted to confirm. So other than integrated ICT business segment, they are exceeding the plan. And Docomo right now is enhancing their marketing activities. And the competition is becoming severe. But for the other segments, there performing so with overall, it's going to be okay. Well, please ask President and CEO, Mr. Maeda. I want them to generate the profit. The second question is Japan domestic CapEx. The overseas data center was explained, and at the press conference today, there were questions regarding the domestic Japan data centers, looking at the future AI demand or the investments towards the generative AI? NTT, are you going towards the direction of increasing CapEx according to the media? It seems that you are going to work on the large-scale data center. Well, basically, in Japan, we will be looking at how the demand will trend. For example, it's like the computation platform, something that's public. We have no intention of developing such a thing. It's more by each industry. And the other day, we announced the collaboration project with Toyota. Like that, we like to create a platform that has a certain demand. So the same way of thinking applies to the data center as well. So there's the needs and demand. And as I said at the press conference, In the Kanto region of Japan or in the suburbs of that area, constructing a data center is probably highly efficient and will match the needs of the hyperscalers is what we think. So around there, securing the power and if we can find appropriate land, For the ones that we are sure that customers will be there, we will be making investments. And basically, for the global side, in advance, there's not much that we're making investments in. Basically, it's where we see the demand and we can secure the customers are the data centers that we are making investments. So in that sense, It's not a business deployment that we're making a lot of advance investments. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Next question, please. Thank you. Tokunaga from Daiwa Securities. I'd like to ask two questions. My first is with regard to Entity.com. They did quite well in terms of customer subscriber acquisition. And I think you have been successful in trying to capture as many subscriptions as possible. What are you going to give a passing grade to Docomo's performance? At what point are you going to allow Docomo to decelerate in their efforts to acquire customers? Can you give us some indicators? Maybe you're not yet at the stage where you can talk about the ending of this effort, but I think investors are concerned as to whether or not this effort will continue, can be sustained. Okay, thank you for the question. We will continue as long as there's a party that is willing to do the business. We find that I think we want to continue with this measure until we reach a point where we can do no more. Again, it depends on the other parties. It could be one year. Who knows? It could be six months. We have to wait for the other players that are involved. Now, the mobile number portability itself will continue for some time. If we find that we're able, I think we need to work with these measures until we're able to see some sort of outcome. Maintaining market share of 35% is absolutely essential. Okay, let me ask a follow-up question. To support such efforts, I think regional communication data segment needs to generate profits in order to cover such cost, right? The entity is holding up in favor to take those measures. Again, we're doing business as the entity group. That is the reason why group structure seems to be implemented. Now the customer base protocol needs to be sustained. Why do we need to sustain customer base at Docomo? Because we need to further evolve smart life business down the road. And the customer base is essential if we want to further evolve our smart life business because we are able to deliver new services because we have sufficient customer base to begin with. So if the customer base is eroding, we cannot be successful. So it's important that we secure sufficient customer base in order to allow for further expansion growth. Thank you for that. My second question is about the universal services. I think you held a meeting to explain the situation. You mentioned that this will have an impact on cost efficiency. So I think over the long term, this is going to be quite good. Now, you talk about entity East and West and the entity IRD. Will this be an upside to the revenue going forward? Are you going to use the cost saved to invest in other sectors of your business? We talked about NTD East and West at NTDR Day the other day. They talked about the scenario to recover the situation. But that recovery scenario does not include scenarios pertaining to fixed-time business. So the upside to the change in universal service, it has not been factored in the numbers for NTD East and West. Nothing has been decided at that time, so we have not factored in such upside in the project when we took the floor at NTDIR day. Okay, thank you. We're looking forward to the performance. Thank you very much. That is all for me.
Thank you very much. We'd like to take the next question. So on that side, the very front row, please. SMBC Nikko Securities. I am Kikuchi. Thank you very much for today. I have two questions. The first question is a slightly conceptual question, maybe. The second quarter, you have increased the profit due to the global business profit increase. But the global business is listed, and so it's probably the minimum level of increase. And for retained earnings, because they're a listed company, you cannot bring it over here. So as an entity itself, are they experiencing an increase in profit? I don't think it's increasing. It's actually declining, meaning that you're part of the pie. So thinking about that, on the other hand, this year, Docomo and entities in West had a decline in profit. And if your policy is to make this year the bottom and starting next fiscal year, it's going to turn around and grow. But having said that, how much of a growth of a profit can you do? I can only see that a little bit will suffice. And to a while ago, a little while ago, NTT the dynamic group, organizational reforms, or through that, I thought that it's going to change. But the day before the working report for DOCOMO, for the fair competition, something that is subjected to have an impact in a fair competition is only subjected to that. So, but if it remains like this, the NTT's growth, even though it is the bottom this year, where is it going to go to? It seems that the situation is at a point that with each company's effort, it's not going to be enough. The management efforts or the structural reform breakthrough type of measures, that needs to generate the growth, is what I think. Because looking at the global solutions, you're not gaining a lot. Maybe you need to further work on the cost reduction or maybe something drastic like a disruptive resolvement. I just wonder if we think of five years from now, there's difficulty for us to have expectations. So I wonder what the situation is. First of all, related to NTT law, First thing is that the entity East and West, the regulation on their businesses scope is going to be deregulated and that's going to be a major impact. Up till now, we had to make the companies a subsidiary company, which means that the corporate functions and the sales force line, we had to have a duplication of each function. And moving forward, the corporate side, the headquarters can take care of that. So to deploy new businesses, this is going to work in favor for us. And within the group, reorganization, the regulations towards that, actually, for NTT East and West, under the NTT law, they were already imposed by strict regulations. Therefore, I don't think that it is going to be more than what it is right now. And as for NTT Dokomo, probably, I don't think that there's much that is going to impact them either. So it is strengthening the regulation. However, in fact, in reality, it's not something that we feel additional large burden imposed on us. So the regulation regarding the business scope, Other than the broadcast-related type of business, we were able to do any business. And by sorting out the universal service, that has a major positive impact. And so for the global side of the business, there are various issues that exist. So as a major shareholder, maybe request for a larger dividend payout, I believe that there are various methods that we can use. So we'd like to think about that. And regarding the new businesses, right now we are planting the seeds. So within the group, we are taking on various challenges and by reorganizing all that and then starting to consolidate those attempts and growing it to a large scale is what is important. So we would like to work on that as well. Thank you very much. My second question is regarding ION 2.0. in 2025 is coming right there. And before I thought that with this Ion 2.0, there's computing there, so the company will change a lot is what I thought, but 2025 is next year. And Ion, are you seeing some elements that Ion is going to contribute to your company's performance? And several years ago, There is expectation that you'll take part of becoming a technology leader in the global arena, and we have that expectation still now. However, what's the progress, or are there any numerical targets? We would like to hear of them. So ION 2.0 targets or goals is what I would like to know. I would like to quote the numbers, however, but we have not reached that level yet, honestly speaking. Regarding ION 2.0, something that we can show physically as a product. We are thinking of, within the communications service, have the photoelectric convergent device product at the expo. And also, there are things that are embedded in the server. There's a possibility that we'll be able to showcase that as well. However, in reality, when we can launch that as a project, we'll be a year from then. So next year, we will actually see the product. Till now, it was just a concept, but we will see the actual physical product. And what we are assuming right now is that compared to the conventional devices, as I mentioned from before, the energy consumption or power consumption will be one-tenth. So once they can see that there will be customers that would want to use it and right now. The hyper a scalar type of customers are involved from the designing stage of the server, so having the photonics electronics conversions device in there. is something that we are starting discussions with. I cannot name the company specifically, but as a service, we do have visibility that that is going to be launched. So showing the actual physical product and seeing the actual equipment or machine, will have a large impact to society. So we'd like you to wait till then. And when that day comes, then of course, we will have solid response from the customers. And at that time, we'll be able to project numbers as well. So just wait for a little bit longer, please. Thank you very much. That's all.
Thank you. I'd like to go on to other questions. Next question, please. from Morgan Stanley. Entity shareholders and entity investors, for these two groups, the current general portfolio will be perceived as this. When we take a look at the general portfolio, it's very difficult for investors and shareholders to understand why it is that they need to hang on to this investment in NTT to begin with, because with this financial representation, NTT data is the driver of the performance and profit. Next year, If we place the moving parts, I think Entity Data will probably make even greater contribution to the increase of operating profit. That is the general consensus, I believe. Entity Data is a listed company in its own right. So that being the case, including NTT data, for example, regional communication, structurally, regional communication is not facing a very easy situation. That was very clear in your presentation at the NTT IRDA. You also have NTT DOCOMO. doesn't have edge in all aspects of their competition. And also because of the fixation of market share, profit cannot be expected to increase. So that's the outlook for Docomo. So for the two-year outlook for Docomo, I think that's how we should assess the possibility of performance at Docomo. So if you're going to invest in NTT, maybe you need to return 100% of the cash you absorbed from your group companies. Because unless you take the bold initiative, there's no reason for shareholders that you need to continue to hang on to their investment. That's one of the reasons why you're underperforming compared to your competition in the telecom market. And what are the options available? Maybe one thing, one possible option is that you make a change, a shift to total return to shareholders, or you invest only internally within an entity group. So that's one other option available to you, I believe. Consumer business is no longer that profitable. It's quite clear. So structurally, fixed-line communication is faced with a difficult environment. So maybe it's time for you to make a very bold initiative. You're not coming at a time when you need to take bold actions and decisions. Any response to my comment? Thank you. Thank you for your proposal. We'll certainly take note of your comment and we'll use that as a point of reference and consider policy options going forward. Thank you.
Thank you very much. At this point, we would like to receive questions for participating online. For those of you participating online and have a question through the web conference system, please press the raise your hand button. No questions? Just a moment, please. City group securities, Mr. Tsuruo, please unmute and ask your question. Hello. Please go ahead. Important questions already came out through the Q&A session, so I'm very sorry that I'm asking detailed questions. First of all, regarding the regional communication segment, the first half, various cost reduction investments are made, and it will recover in the second half is what you have mentioned. And looking at this disclosed numbers, how are these numbers changing? And how much investment are you going to make? And how much of improvement are you going to see as a result of the cost reduction in the second half? I would like to know the status of that. This is Ahiroi speaking. Regarding the cost reduction measures within the regional communications business segment, of course, at the first half stage, they started to implement the measures and they're making investments. So as an effect of that, it is still small. So you will see it heavily in the second half is how I would like you to understand. Yes. Well, specifically speaking here, the expense moved this way or that way. If not, I understood the overall picture. Well, the items for the cost reductions. is within the other expenses, well, other expenses, items, specifically speaking, consignment fees, outsourcing fees, and we are doing a lot of consolidations, so the related expenses to those are going to be reduced. Okay, understood. Thank you very much. And my second question is something that's already discussed before. In order to protect the market share of entity Docomo, how much can you tolerate in terms of the expense you will spend and investment that you'll be making? Specific numbers or the way of thinking? No, you already mentioned the way of thinking, but if you have any specific numbers, I would like to know. Especially at this point, M&A with banks was mentioned, but that was not realized. And the outlook may be not clear at times like this. How much of a buffer are you thinking of? Can you share your thoughts? In the first half, how well was the profit, and do you have a buffer because of that, is a related question. So if you can comment on that, that would be appreciated. This is Shimada speaking now. Basically, even though we spend I told NTT DOCOMO to protect their customer base, but it's not just simply spending the cost is good, meaning that the cost efficiency improvement needs to be done elsewhere, and that's the request I'm making to DOCOMO. So with that, how much they can cover the cost, or can they do more than what we're asking, will all depend on the management of NTT DOCOMO. However, having said that, They have to protect profit. So the quality improvement that they're doing right now and maintaining the customer base that you're working on right now, I don't want them to relax on what they're doing right now is the way of thinking. if you can understand our thoughts with this. The finance business expansion, regarding that, I've been talking about that all this time, and the President and CEO, Mr. Maeda, has been speaking of that all this time as well. And I believe that it is steadily moving forward. So at some appropriate timing, I believe that there will be things that we can share with you. Thank you. Thank you very much. That concludes my question. If I may add, the full-year plan and Docomoza full-year plan is maintained. So if there's a misunderstanding that the Docomoza profit level is going to decline, I just wanted to correct that. reinforcing the selling and protecting the profit is something the area or something that was not able to be done right till now. But at the end, there was a decision made as Mr. Shimada shared. And so whether the profit is going to protect it by relaxing on the marketing activities, or are we going to continue strengthening the marketing activities by relaxing on the protecting the profit? That's not the case either. We need to do both and have a thorough management of the business is what I would like you to understand. Understood. Thank you very much. I conclude the endless meeting at this juncture. Thank you for your joining us today. Thank you.