Odyssey Semcondctr Tech

Q4 2021 Earnings Conference Call

2/10/2022

spk02: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Odyssey Semiconductor fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. At the end of today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions via a chat line. Investors can submit their questions within the meeting webcast by typing into the Q&A button on the right side of your viewing screen. Analysts who publish research may ask questions on the phone line. For analysts to ask a question on the phone line, please press star then 1, And to remove your question, please press star then two. And as a reminder that this event is being recorded, I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jeff Christensen, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk04: Jeff Christensen Thank you, operator. Joining me today are Rick Brown, co-founder, interim CEO, CTO, and board member, and John Edmonds, chairman of the board. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the fourth quarter We'll start today's call with prepared remarks from Rick and John before moving into Q&A. During our prepared remarks, we will refer to slides that are available for viewing in the webcast and posted in the investor relations section of our website at odysseysemi.com under events subheading. We hope these slides will serve as a framework for management's prepared remarks, reinforce key takeaways, and provide additional transparency and insight into our business strategy and objectives. Moving to slide two, some statements made today are forward-looking. Forward-looking statements are subject to risk, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by these statements. Additional information regarding these factors can be found in our annual, quarterly, and other reports filed with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to John Edmunds, Chairman of the Board.
spk05: Thanks, Jeff. Turning to slide three, you'll see Odyssey at a glance. We're a small semiconductor facility. We actually have a foundry. We were kind of spawned out of the Cornell Ithaca foundry or school of engineering and foundry there. One of the founders is a professor at Cornell, and Rick, who's on the call with me today, was one of his students at one time. And we're using a foundry or facility that – belonged to Ben Optics at one time and we've converted and made use of that for producing GAN material. So it's a very interesting one of the few GAN foundries in the country right now. And we're focused on GAN for high power switching technology. So we're not competitive necessarily with a Navitas or a GAN systems. We're actually complementary to them. They're mostly focused on lower power chargers and switching and We're actually focused on 1,200 volts and above sort of category. So, you know, this will be important to next-generation battery packs for electric cars, as well as solar power inverters and high-voltage industrial motors going forward. You can see that we were a product of a reverse IPO a couple years ago. We've had two rounds of private placements for financing, one in August of 29 at 2.9 million and one last year in March of 21 for 5 million. We've just filed an S-1 today to prepare to raise additional money and also to focus and couple that with uplisting on NASDAQ to become a full-fledged company trading on NASDAQ. So we have a lot of activity going on right now. We're a small group, but very seasoned engineering organization, and we're doing something that's very unique in the market that we think will be disruptive when we get there. So on slide four, you'll see the key message then is this new disruptive high-voltage capability, this vertical GAN capability as opposed to lateral or horizontal GAN that you might see from Navitas or GAN systems. Our vertical GAN is actually enabling us to scale to higher voltages And in so doing, really be in a position to compete with a costlier silicon carbide technology. And we'll go through more of that today with you and some of the challenges that we think are facing silicon carbide that present opportunities for us. This is a rapidly growing market, so we think it's as big as the low voltage side, you know, and the high voltage side will be in the same range of about 2.5 billion or so by 2025. Again, we have a seasoned team that's working in this area, a small organization. You know, it's only 15 people or so, but we think we're well-positioned with the technology to leverage it now, and, you know, we're going to be bringing in new sales and marketing, a new CEO, and orientation toward now selling the product that we're just about finished with developing. So our near-term strategy is to be able to sample product. We think We should be able to do that by the end of the quarter here, maybe as early as next week based on material that's in flight in the FAB right now. And we have additional new raw material ready to launch another flight and have that back within three weeks or so of finishing the flight that's in production right now. So that's why we're fairly confident we can get this out by the end of the quarter. And we can go into that in more depth if people want to. Our longer-term growth strategy is just to bring this technology to market and try to display silicon carbide in a lot of different areas in high voltage. We think there's significant advantages to using GaN technology that primarily focus on being more power efficient and being able to be used in a smaller form factor and be more cost-efficient overall for the people who choose to deploy with GAN. On the next slide, I think I'll turn it over to Rick here and have him take you through slide five on power conversion applications from there. Rick?
spk03: Okay. Thanks, John. Hello, everyone. Recently, there's been a lot of excitement and enthusiasm for GAN among public and private companies. Most of these efforts, like John has said, kind of are focused on the market served by transistors with breakdown voltages below 650 volts. And that's due to a kind of a limitation of the type of GaN transistor being used by those companies. It's mostly aimed at recharging devices for laptops, cell phones, and it does reach into some higher power applications such as There's some potential with current generations of electric vehicles, but going forward, those applications require breakdown voltages greater than 650 volts, and that's where Odyssey is focused. Our technology isn't limited below 650 volts. It can go all the way to 10,000 volts. It's a very scalable technology. We believe that we can offer a reliable solution and provide for greater power efficiency and lower cost, both in terms of the chip and surrounding platform. We've basically developed this unique way of doping gallium nitride, and we've demonstrated both vertically conducting PN junctions and transistors utilizing this technology. Our first product is targeted at 1,200 volts. There's currently no gallium nitride switching transistors with breakdown voltages above 1,000. So we're targeting 1,200 volts and beyond just to build that space not being addressed with gallium nitride at the moment. And our technology is scalable easily to that voltage and above. So that's where we're trying to introduce our first products, which would be more for industrial motor drives, high-powered solar inverters and eventually smart grid and other higher power applications where the breakdown voltage required is much higher than 650 volts. So if you want to turn to slide six, like I said, one of our first things that we want to apply our devices to are high voltage industrial motors. I always feel like it's kind of an interesting fact that around 45% of the world's energy electricity produced goes towards spinning a motor. So there's a huge opportunity there with a lot of growth. But we also hope to provide solutions for solar power inverters. That's a large growing market. And also, I feel like kind of the most exciting application here is to provide value to the electric vehicle and electric vehicle charging equipment manufacturers by supplying what we feel is going to be a good alternative to silicon carbide power transistors that are used in these systems, the electric vehicle segment will present the strongest growth rate for us with a CAGR of 38%. Longer term, we're looking to enable things like on-the-go charging. There will be probably a lot of on-the-go charging applications out there. One of them would be a special lane on the highway that allows vehicles to recharge without stopping. There's already some driverless trucks making nonstop coast-to-coast, not already, but we're seeing proposals for driverless trucks making nonstop coast-to-coast trips. You've seen an announcement for this in Detroit a couple weeks ago. You can also already see people testing this. There's an example of an application on German freeways where they use kind of like a trolley-like connection to a cable overhead to recharge cars over a small distance of the highway. And there's companies with giant warehouses and distribution centers that use robots for everything from cleaning floors to stocking inventory. But these things need to stop and recharge. And by charging on the go, a reduced fleet could accomplish the same or better results. So what the GAN parts will enable are doing that wirelessly. So as opposed to the example I kind of explained being in use in Germany, the energy could be transmitted to the vehicle from a system underneath the road wirelessly. And to do that, very high voltage and very high frequency capable transistors are needed to drive those systems. Let's go to slide seven. This is sort of a cost comparison of silicon carbide devices, which are kind of the – these are the incumbent high-performance transistors for above 1,000-volt applications. I picked a size that was an 80-amp transistor rated for a 1,200-volt breakdown. the current sizing is representative of what might be found in a large industrial motor or an electric vehicle application so you can see that six inch wafers they're the current standard for silicon carbide devices they're about 900 a wafer GAN is about 1500 a wafer so GAN is about 4x the cost of silicon carbide per unit area but gallium nitride transistors require 10 times less area to achieve the same current handling capability or on resistance as a silicon carbide wick. And you see the comparison here. A six-inch wafer of these devices would hold about 522 transistors of this size, but a four-inch gallium nitride wafer, which is the current state-of-the-art for gallium nitride that's available in any kind of commercially viable number, that will hold about, you know, a little over 2,000 devices of the same size. So kind of the takeaway here is that though GAN right now is at a 4-inch wafer size versus 6-inch silicon carbide, you know, there's talking of moving silicon carbide to 8-inch, you know, sometime in the future, a 4-inch GAN wafer foundry can now produce a 6-inch silicon carbide foundry. by about 4x per wafer, as far as how many devices can come out. So it's actually quite attractive to build these devices on the current four-inch gallium nitride that's become available. And with that, I'll kind of turn that back to John. I'm gonna go to slide eight.
spk00: John?
spk05: Sorry, I took myself off mute. So, on slide eight, you'll see the market size. This is for displacing silicon carbide materials. So, we're using a silicon carbide forecast that's put together by Yole Development, which is a French company, I believe, and it's commonly used in the silicon carbide market. And this just gives you an idea of the growth expected in that market through 2025. and the key focuses being electric vehicles, solar, and you'll see other motor drives a little bit down the list. But those are the key markets that we think we have an early opportunity to go play in and enjoy a lot of growth potential. And as Rick showed you earlier, there's a tremendous cost advantage that we think is available in GAN. So, you know, if you – look through the rest of the Yole report on slide nine, we pulled together some takeaways that comes with their power silicon carbide report. One of those is that this opportunity to upgrade to 800 volt batteries and electrical vehicles is a tremendous opportunity for silicon carbide to come into this game. It's already used by Tesla and I think some of Tesla's vehicles. and it's kind of in this fight with a silicon-based solution, which is this silicon IGBT. And one of the conclusions was that silicon carbide could come in and take the volume in this market, but it's going to need to reduce its cost significantly and come down by two and a half times, which would be like a 60% reduction. So earlier, I think you saw the wafer that Rick was showing you, you know, might have a sales value today of – you know, $35,000 a wafer where the equivalent GAN wafer would have a sales value of $142,000 at today's pricing. If you reduce that by 60% for GAN, that would let you have a $57,000 sales value for a cost of a GAN wafer that was $1,500. So a tremendous amount of gross margin opportunity in GAN that would begin to evaporate if silicon carbide had to come down, you know, from a $900 wafer, let's say, down to a $350 sort of cost of, you know. And they can do some of that with scaling, but they won't really see that as early as people might want to let you believe. Like 8-inch wafers might be 9% of the volume by the time we get to 25. It'll still be a relatively new technology. So the main battleground for them is in the 6-inch area. Also, the main inverter going into electric vehicles is an opportunity where GAN has an opportunity to drive volume. In those inverters used in electric vehicles, people are talking about wanting to increase the distance, the driving range that somebody can use to something greater than 400 kilometers. And a way to do that would be to add additional inverters. In fact, the idea would be to have one per axle. So that's even that much more geometric volume growth that could come if the market swings in that direction. In addition, there's another opportunity in onboard chargers, which is kind of a separate device in the vehicle, and silicon carbide looks at that as an opportunity as well. But GAN, even the 650-volt guys have gotten into that market, and so it's being recognized in the YOLA report as, offering a significantly reduced cost relative to silicon carbide. And then they point out that people should really watch this competition between silicon carbide and GaN in the coming years, you know, very closely because there's a lot of opportunity there. And so if you turn to slide 10, you'll see I borrowed this chart from the YOLO report. This just shows you graphically where On the right-hand side, they're showing how much the cost has to come down to two and a half times to try to get into this break-even zone where people will actually choose to use silicon carbide in volume. And then part of that equation is silicon carbide offers more power efficiency, so you might also get a savings in a lower-cost battery and a smaller battery, so that efficiency drives some cost savings in that direction as well. But guess what? GAN provides both of those things in greater abundance than silicon carbide, even more power efficiency than silicon carbide can provide, and is much more flexible, going to be much more flexible in terms of cost moving forward. So we think it's a great opportunity for us, and we want to get in and exploit this as quickly as we can. Obviously, you have to have a part before you can talk people into testing that technology and making use of it and Again, we're fairly close. We've run voltage through it at a given level before in the manufacturing process, before power enhances, you know, another step enhances the power capability. And that's why we're fairly confident with this latest flight coming through the lab that either this one will succeed or the next one will succeed and we'll be off to the races. And we'll certainly send a press release out when we have, when we've reached that juncture. And on slide 11, you'll see some of the interests we've seen already. This is unsolicited, really, people calling into us because they heard we were developing in this area. So we've had a Tier 1 European electric vehicle maker, a Tier 1 U.S. company call in. One of the European sub-assembly guys has called in. And we also have interest from a large voltage motor company who also was an investor in the first private offering with the company. They're all anxious to sample and, you know, willing to take parts and die for them and package them themselves, and they're willing to help us in that area as well. So, you know, the opportunity is all out there. We just need to be able to put a part in people's hands here. If you look on slide 12, we've kind of reordered the timeline for us to recognize the fact that we'll be delivering samples in the first part of 22 here. and then we want to initiate qualifications. We're already working on the JEDEC standards and being able to do that as we move through the year and just get into qualification with customers. It might take us, you know, I think in high-speed motors is probably the nearest term opportunity for us to develop revenue, and then electric vehicles is probably the farthest out because it just takes a long time to get qualified in electric vehicles. So that might still be a couple of years out for us, but we could – get into qualification this year and potentially start to drive some revenue in electric motors next year. And then somewhere in between will be solar panels. And this is where we want to bring a new CEO on board that has a sales and marketing background in this power semiconductor market, knows the customer set, and can instantly take the product we have and go impress his existing customers with a new opportunity. And we have several candidates. We have a recruiting firm on partners that we've hired. Tim Conti is doing a search for us. And, you know, we're looking for someone in the eastern United States and, you know, that would make an easy move to Ithaca or be able to commute into Ithaca pretty regularly. And then we're also, you know, executing on the uplist process and the offerings. to give us more resources to continue to invest in this market. On slide 13, again, you'll see a lot of people or investors will be curious, and I often get, which is great for me, I often get some of the marketing material from Navitas or Dan Systems passed over. And so I took one of them. This is another public and company, and when I show you the market cap down below, I think it's actually closer to $1.4 billion right now, but you'll probably recognize that, uh, that, uh, company, but just to give you a profile of them, uh, they had about a hundred, a little over a hundred million invested prior to, uh, them going public on a SPAC that took them about seven years. Um, we've only really invested 9 million in this company so far. So, um, so in that sense, we're probably undercapitalized. We don't need to invest a lot more, uh, but we, we are going to need to add to the, you know, the R and D capabilities, some sales and marketing and, uh, some GNA to scale to be a fully listed NASDAQ company. Again, I don't expect it to be a lot of people, you know, and we'll keep it down into low double digits here, but, you know, that's what we're looking at in comparison to our competitors. And in that sense, we've gotten to, you know, have a product relatively inexpensively, and we want to turn around and try to exploit that and leverage that in the market now. On slide 14, you'll just see a quick summary of our financials. You know, we have generated about $750,000 in revenues this year from providing foundry services. That's down a little bit from 2020. I think we did about $1.4 million in 2020. COVID has slowed us down a little bit here, but we do have kind of renewed vigor in that team going out to look for new opportunities. We have some that are in process, and we have more that we think we can bring in. And again, I think once we have a new CEO and you know driving and helping to market in this area we can also bring more services through the foundry itself we're also diligent managing the cash flow we're down to about 2.6 million in total cash we still are burning about 600 000 a quarter if you look at ebita we also invested about 150 000 on a deposit for some new equipment that's in prepaids right now And so if you look at $600,000 a quarter, it's the cash per quarter that is about $600,000 or about $200,000 a month. If we turn to slide 15, again, I think we're feeling as if there's strong market demand here overall for a new disruptive technology and that we have a seasoned team from a development point of view to go chase that. We have near-term growth strategies and You know, we have a longer growth runway that we can put to work here as soon as we can gain some traction with customers. So with that, I'll open it up, and Jeff, let's see if there's any questions.
spk02: At this time, we are conducting a question and answer session. Investors can submit their questions within the meeting webcast by typing them into the Q&A button on the right side of your viewing screen. Analysts who publish research may ask questions on the phone line. For analysts to ask questions on the phone line, please press star then one, and to remove your question, please press star then two. And at this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble any roster. And the first question will come from Andrew Brenner with Nat Alliance. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hey, guys. Nice presentation, but it looks like you really need cash. Are you thinking about doing an offering in the near term just to get you over the next year or so?
spk05: Well, we did file an S-1 today, so we will need cash probably by the fall sometime. But we're okay for right now, but we do want to get into that cycle. And so as part of that, we also want to raise enough capital to qualify to uplist within NASDAQ and move off of being an OTC stock. So we have an underwritten offering that we're putting together with a brokerage called Maxim. And so the Maxim group is going to help us with that, and that's all will be in the S-1. We put out a separate press release about that today, but you'll also be able to see the S-1 shortly being filed, and we're also applying with NASDAQ. We're using that initial filing to begin the process of applying with NASDAQ and FINRA to Uplist. And that process itself may take, you know, eight to ten weeks is what I'm told. You know, that would be a good result. It can take longer, but we don't think we're that complicated, and we think we can, you know, kind of get through in that time frame. And that will be within plenty of time for us to raise more cash.
spk02: Thank you. I would now like to hand the Q&A session over to Mr. Jeff Christensen to read questions submitted through the webcast. Please go ahead, sir.
spk04: Thanks, Chuck. We do have some questions that were submitted into the chat, and our first question is for John. What will be the expected capital raise amount, the number of shares, and the timing?
spk05: if you look at the, uh, NASDAQ requirement, we need to have about 15 million in, uh, uh, in free, uh, floating capital. So that's a capital float. So that's without freely traded, uh, capital. So that's without insiders. Um, and that's probably roughly a third of our, uh, our existing market cap. And then we'd have to add to that. So if you go through the math of that, you know, we'd have to add, uh, probably around, uh, you know, $5 million to $6 million. It's really going to be a function of what's happening with the stock price, you know, overall when we do get to the offering and the pricing. And there's, you know, like I say, there's probably a couple of months before that, and there should be some significant good news coming in that timeframe. So, you know, we'll see. Fundamentally, I think if we're in the range of $7 million to $9 million, that will also meet the company's corporate needs in terms of $7 million to $9 million. And, again, it's just going to be a function of the pricing, you know, when we actually get to the offering itself.
spk04: Thank you. And a question related to capital that was asked on the chat is, to reduce capital needs, will you seek partnership opportunities for the development of your prototypes?
spk05: We don't need to right now. We're pretty much through. We're almost to the point of having the prototype. You know, I think we have a foundry that's big enough to drive, you know, like one electric vehicle maker, for instance. And even one would probably want more than we have available, but we could get started with them. So I think that's where the issue comes into how would we build more manufacturing capacity when we get there. And, you know, we have time before that happens in terms of that sort of demand being put on the company. And at that stage, you know, we might look for a partnership that could enable that. The CHIPS Act, you know, coming through Congress right now is also a source of potential funding for that sort of activity. So that might be another way that we could invest in building more capacity or even better, acquiring someone else's fab that's underutilized or not being used today. So there's different paths we can go down, and we'll be exploring those. But the first thing we need to do is get our prototype in the hands of customers and create that customer demand, and then I think we'll have a lot more opportunity for partnering.
spk04: Thank you. The next question is for Rick. Why is the development of the GaN power device taking a while?
spk03: Yeah, I can answer that. Just as a guide, maybe people could turn to the first slide of the appendix. So the current device design is a little different than what we originally had conceived when we started the effort. The current design is a little different, but it has a lot of improvements over the original. We have, you know, lower gate leakage, lower on resistance, and it has actually a much wider processing window. And the development is kind of, there's like kind of two elements to the development of this. We have epi, which is, you know, the gallium nitride layers grown on top of gallium nitride wafers. And that is not something we do in-house. We get that from there's a couple different vendors who supply that for us. And that takes a few months to obtain that. But when we do obtain a batch of that, we use those wafers and the epi on them in this kind of rapid prototyping process that we have where we can kind of turn around prototype devices off of those wafers about every two weeks. And we've been doing that since mid-2021, which is when we got some good That's when we got some good experiments that showed that, hey, this new structure is actually a lot better than what we were originally trying to develop. So we put a lot of effort into that, and basically every two weeks we've been able to turn around a new batch of devices. But we've had to change the EPI a couple times, and that part of it isn't as quick as the two weeks that takes you know, two to three months to get new epi. So there's a little bit of delay in there. But even with those delays, you know, working on non-ideal epi, we are able to hone in the device processing parameters to optimize as best as we can. And we kind of recently got our what we feel is the real target epitaxial structure from our growth partner, the crystal growth partner. And right now we've got a couple iterations in progress that we feel pretty confident about returning some good results that we're targeting. Right now, pretty much the only parameter left to hit, in addition to the on resistance, low gate leakage, there's various other target device parameters that we need to achieve. The breakdown voltage is greater than 1,000 volts, and that's the last thing we're kind of tuning in with the process And we kind of expect this all to come together sometime this quarter. And like John was saying, we have people kind of hungry to get their hands on this. So we're working at that as quickly as we can so as to not disappoint. But that's to provide a little more color as to why it takes so long. I hope that helps.
spk04: Great. That was Rick. Thanks a lot. Another question that, well, before I ask the next question is, so if you have any questions, you can, on the right-hand side of the webcast, there's an ask a question. You can submit your question in there, and we'll ask management the question. Another question that came in via that is regarding patents. Any comments about patents and whether you have a moat? Yes, I can take that.
spk03: Oh, John, go ahead. No, go ahead. So, yeah, we've been working, you know, very diligently to kind of shore up, you know, kind of protect ourselves, you know, with a moat here of patents. One of our board members, Richard Ogawa, is an expert in, you know, dealing with patents, writing patents, and He's worked very hard with myself and the other founder, Dick Scheele, to, you know, really make sure that we have this well protected and we continue to write, you know, patents expanding on the patents that we have that we feel are important to protect kind of what we view as the trajectory that this technology is going to take.
spk05: I was going to add that Richard Algala is actually pretty well known in the in the patent world. He used to work for a firm in San Francisco, but by the name of Townsend Townsend was a partner there. And he has both a solid understanding. He worked in the semiconductor industry before he went to law school. So he has a pretty solid understanding of the technology and the process. And and he's worked for years as a patent litigator. So he's kind of the highest form of the, of the species. And he's our, I work with Richard at N5. I think I was there 13 years, and Richard was there about eight of those. So that's why we're pretty confident in the positions that we're taking in protecting the technology, and we're continuing to make sure those patent applications and the novelties get documented and filed. We've had one patent issue already, I believe. And another, we've been told another's approved. It just hasn't quite come out yet.
spk04: Go ahead, Jeff. Okay. Thanks to both of you. Our next question is about the CEO search. John, you made some comments about it. You mentioned about sales. You know, you're looking for sales and marketing expertise of the new CEO. Any other comments about the skill sets that you want?
spk05: No, I don't think we're hard and fast in particular. We do want somebody out of the industry. I think that's something we've been lacking. And so somebody who can come in and plug and play with our technology right away knows exactly, you know, who the customers are and where to go, where to take the technology. You know, we want somebody who's got passion for the business. And it's a startup, so, you know, it's a small company. A number of people, I often tell people, you know, look at the fingers at the end of your hands. Those are the only 10 you got, so make them count. And, you know, in a startup world, you have to be willing to roll your shirt sleeves up and go make things happen. And I think finding the right chemistry here for Rick and Dick as the founders of the company, you know, is going to be critical to the process as well. But, you know, you know, this is not sales and marketing is not their end of the stick. They're, they're very good on the R and D side, but what we need is somebody to come in and help us lead that, that dimension of our business. And that's what we're hoping to, uh, to bring in, uh, as well as somebody, you know, if they have experience in as a general manager and managing development as well, um, you know, that, that would be helpful, but not necessary. And there's a lot of other things they could have. Uh, and there's a lot of other things we have enough talent in the company to come teach them. Um, but that's the primary, uh, you know, talent that we're looking to add and that we're looking for somebody to bring to the table.
spk04: Well, thank you. It looks like we're out of time. Rick, do you have any closing remarks?
spk03: Yeah. Basically, I'd just like to thank everyone for, you know, hearing us out today. And I hope that we – Hopefully you can sense our confidence and excitement coming through as we, you know, focus on getting this over what we feel is the last technological verdict and hopefully getting this out into the world. And we look forward to the next update call like this. And thank you.
spk05: Thanks, everybody.
spk02: Thank you. This concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect and have a great day.
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