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Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. This is Jeff Raskin from IR. I'm pleased to have Gustavo Calvopas, our CEO, and Geert Peters, our CFO, with us today to present the 2024 full year results. Before that, let me remind you of the safe harbor regarding forward-looking statements. I will not read them out loud, but I will assume you will have duly noted them. You're well aware that since 2022, our P&L is based on continuing operations, which consists of our core market activities only, while the emerging markets are reported as discontinued operations. These continue to contribute to our results and to the presented debt and cash flow figures in particular. As we're close to concluding the divestment of all of the emerging activities, this should be the last year I have to say this. With that cleared up, Gustavo, over to you.

Thanks, Geoff. Looking back, On 2024, the second year of our transformation journey, we can see the delivery of our efforts in our financial results, building on the solid delivery in 2023. Let's look into them on the next page, please. 2024 marked yet again a noticeable improvement in our performance. First, with continued revenue growth of 3.5% like for like. While in 2023, this was largely thanks to price increases, this year it was entirely the result of volume growth of 6%, growing by double-digit growth in North America, in adult care category, in baby pants, and in other selective categories. Our EBITDA margin has recovered to 12%, back to our historic levels, thanks to relentless focus on the cost transformation program which allow us to gain competitiveness, thereby supporting growth and improve profitability. While we continue to make substantial investments in our growth and in our transformation efforts, we deliver a strong free cash flow of 48 million euros, a strong improvement versus 2023. Finally, thanks to the strong EBITDA improvement by 28%, we have reduced our leverage ratio further, to just below 2.5 times. This reduction in indebtedness give us greater financial flexibility. I will pass you over to Geert for more details analysis on our 2024 performance.

Thanks a lot, Gustavo. Let me start explaining the like for like revenue growth of 3.5%. This growth is driven by strong volume and mixed growth and largely upsets the anticipated lower prices. Our volumes grew in all categories, 5.7% overall. We thus outperformed the growth in the market demand in Europe and especially North America. Let's have a look at the volume development of our three product categories in Europe and then also baby care in the US. First of all, adult care in Europe. Market demand was up by mid to high single digits, supported by societal trends with an increasing and more active elderly population. Moreover, retailer brands gained market share. OnTax volumes grew by double digits, mainly thanks to market share gains in the healthcare channel. Secondly, feminine care in Europe. Demand was largely stable, but we benefited from market share gains in retailer brands. And then baby care in Europe. Market demand decreased by low single digits, reflecting the decreasing birth rate. Retailer brands, however, consolidated their market share gains made in 23. Consequently, our baby care volumes in Europe were lower as well, but we continued to strengthen in higher added value products like baby pants, where we grew volumes by double digits. And then last, baby care in North America. Demand was largely stable, but A-brands lost some market shares to retailing and lifestyle brands. Ontex grew by strong double digits, boosted by the contract gains we secured with major retailers. Let's then go to the sales prices. These were lower across the categories, down 2.2% overall, investing in competitiveness and reflecting lower raw material prices. This explains a revenue decrease in feminine care and stable performance in baby care. In adult care, volume growth was more than compensated for the price decrease. This resulted in a strong 9% like-for-like revenue growth. Let's have a look at the adjusted EBDA. we increased by 28% to reach 223 million euro. At the same time, our margin rose to 12%, up 2.3 percentage points. As explained on the revenue graph, the volume mix improved significantly, contributing 21 million euro to the EBITDA. The cost transformation program delivered 70 million euro of net operating savings. That means that the operating cost base thereby shrunk by close to 5% again, with strong initiatives in purchasing the supply chain, manufacturing and innovation. As you can see, we partially reinvested this improvement in sales price decreases. Raw material prices had 39 million euro positive impact, in particular for super absorbent polymers and for fluff. In Q4, raw material prices have been flattening out, Other operating and G&A costs were up by 38 million euro, largely due to inflation of salaries, as well as energy and distribution costs, but also include temporary inefficiencies consequent to our asset and footprint transformation. Then on the next slide, we go to the full P&L, which I compare to the previous year. Let's start first with the core markets. The increase in the adjusted EBITDA almost fully translates in an increase of adjusted profits to 76 million euro, which is close to double as compared to the last year. In this amount, depreciations were slightly up, reflecting the higher investment level, and that finance costs ended higher than in 23, despite lower indebtedness. This was due to negative forex impacts. Adjusted income taxes were stable, but the effective tax rate improved thanks to the recognition of historic impact deferred tax assets in the period. That brings the net profit in the core markets a bit lower at €21 million positive. And that's due to the important post-tax non-recurring costs of €55 million. On one hand, these non-recurring costs include €62 million restructuring provisions related to the Belgian footprint. On the other hand, also €11 million impairments on redundant assets. Then we go to the discontinued operations, what we call the emerging markets. They ended at a loss of €11 million. In this, the adjusted MBDA ended positive at €29 million, which is lower than last year due to the reduction of scope with the divestments we did and more challenging market contexts in Brazil. It also included significant one-time divestment-related costs. In total, 27 million Euro related to the divestments of Algeria, Pakistan, Brazil, and Turkey, of which main part is non-cash cumulative translation adjustments on Algeria. Adding then up those continuing and the discontinued operations, the profit of the period for the total group came at a positive of 10 million Euro. Then on the next slide, we go to the cash side. Starting from the adjusted EBITDA for the group of 25, sorry, 252 million euro, which includes a contribution of the emerging markets of 29 million. Solid working capital management contributed 9 million euro, despite higher inventories due to transformation in efficiencies and thus are temporary in nature. Net financing cash out totaled 31 million euro, substantially lower than in 23. as the interest payments decreased thanks to lower indebtedness. CAPEX amounted to 112 million euro, representing close to 6% of the core market's revenue. This reflects a step up in investments for growth and transformation of the group. One-time restructuring and divestment related cash out ended at 39 million euro, of which 29 million euro is the first payment of the restructuring of the Belgian operations. If we then add up everything, free cash flow ended at €48 million positive, which is very solid and well up compared to the €9 million in the previous year. Now we move to the balance sheet with the evolution of net debt, which reduced 8% over the year from €665 million to €612 million. Besides the €48 million free cash flow, M&H proceeds added to 10 million euro. This mainly consists of the divestment proceeds of Algeria and Pakistan netted with costs and taxes, as well as some upfront costs on the Brazilian divestment. Gross financial debt of the total group reduced even more, from 834 to 736 million euro, thanks to the continuing cash management optimization. Besides lease liabilities, our debt consists primarily of €580 million bonds at a fixed 3.5%, maturing in July 26, and €24 million drawn on the revolving credit facility. The latter was reduced end of the year and has a maximum capacity... Sorry, the latter was renewed, of course, at the end of last year, and has a maximum capacity of €270 million for a period of five years. We're currently looking into refinancing the high-yield bonds in the course of 2025. Then our leverage ratio. The leverage ratio decreased significantly from 6.4 at the end of 2022 to 3.3 at the end of 2023 to just below 2.5 at the end of 2024. That is a combination of the net financial debt reduction, which is presented as a light blue line on the graph, and mostly thanks to the divestment proceeds, but also, and that's the dark blue line at the top, due to the fast improvement of adjusted EBITDA of core markets. which more than offset the impact of the scope reduction consequent to the divestments. The available liquidity of the total group increased from €322 million to €370 million, consisting of €124 million cash and the undrawn part of the revolving credit facility. The strengthening of the balance sheet and continually improving profitability and cash flow was also recognized by the rating agencies, which both upgraded on tax in the course of the year. Let me hand you back over to Gustavo for what 25 and beyond will bring us.

Thanks, Kierke. Looking back on 2024, the second year of our transformation journey with several important milestones reached, we are confident that you will come to the same conclusion. ONTEX is growing. It's more competitive. It's more profitable. And on top of that, ONTEX carries less debt and generates a stronger cash flow while heavily investing in future growth and innovation. This success are the result of the passion of our on-text people and their unwavering focus on operational efficiencies, business expansion and sustainable innovation throughout 2024 in close partnership with many of you. Let's move to the next page, please. Looking ahead to 2025, which is the third year of our third three-year transformation journey. We expect to continue to grow our revenue by 3% to 5% like for like, with a strong volume growth in North America, but also continuing to focus on selected categories in Europe. Our cost information program will continue to deliver operational efficiencies, allowing us to drive our profitability while also invest in our competitiveness. We will manage pricing accordingly and also in function of the raw materials price evolution, which we currently expect to remain relatively stable. All in all, we thereby expect to continue to grow our core adjusted EBITDA by 4% to 7%. While we will continue to invest intensively in our transformation for one more year to finalize the three-year transformation plan and continue to invest in our growth, we expect free cash flow continue remaining strong, which brings me to the next slide. We are reaching the end of our divestment plans and should be fully done by end of year. In 2023, the Mexican business was sold, and in 24, we closed the Algerian and Pakistan divestments. We have reached binding agreement to sell Brazilian and Turkish business, which we expect to close in the first half and third quarter for this year, respectively. The net proceeds received from these investments help to reduce our indebtedness. With the portfolio transformation nearing completion, ONTEX can focus fully on its core business, retailer, and healthcare brands. This helps in becoming an even more focused performance-driven organization. Let's move to the next page. As explained before, we have three main value creation drivers. First, competitive and sustainable innovation to offer the equivalent of a brand innovation as fast as possible to our customers. Second, best-in-class operations to structurally improve our operational cost, driving up our profitability while strengthening our competitiveness. And third, business expansion where we have set clear goals to strengthen our position in Europe and grow in North America. Let's go into some highlights of these three value creation drivers. At Ontex, we believe that innovation should be accessible to everyone. This philosophy drives us to make innovation available as fast as possible and to make products smarter, safer, more affordable, and more sustainable than ever before. In 2024, we launched 13 major innovations across our product categories that cater to diverse market needs. A major focus has been leak prevention with the launch of DreamShield's baby diapers with front and back barriers, as well as DreamShield 360 baby pants with back barriers. Behind this science, everybody at Ontex takes pride in being a driving force behind our efforts to constantly improve the experience of our customers and consumers today and in the future. Protecting these efforts in our interest, and especially in our customers' interest, is an important element in our innovation strategy. In the last two years, we have filed for 28 new patent families, and as such, we are among the top 10 in Belgium. We are also proud of our sustainability progress and delighted to see this rewarded with a CDPA score for leadership in climate action. Competitive and sustainable innovation is critical to strengthening further our competitiveness for coming years. Let's move to the next value creation driver, which is best-in-class operation. We are decomplexifying our organization drastically. simplifying our product portfolio. By the end of 2025, we will have reduced the number of product combinations by 45%. We harmonized and upgraded our food production footprint, and by the end of this year, more than 50% of our lines will have been either renewed, upgraded, moved, or scrapped. We also opted further optimized our manufacturing footprint and initiated the transformation of our Belgium activities into a center of excellence for R&D and manufacturing for adult care, which would be largely done by the end of 2025. The successful implementation of our cost information initiatives has resulted in a more agile supply chain, leading to a 4% to 5% reduction of our operating costs. improving overall equipment efficiencies and reducing production and scrap. A solid 126 million cumulative net savings were delivered so far over the years, and we expect more than 200 by the end of 2025. And meanwhile, we continue to invest in the transformation of our operations through capital expenditures and restructuring spend for a total amount slightly lower than that. Best-in-class operation is key to structurally improve our competitiveness and our margins. Let's move to our third value creation driver, which is business expansion. We achieved a 7% like-for-like average revenue growth in the last two years, supported mainly by prices in 23 and volumes in 24. In Europe, we strengthened our leadership in retailers' brands across categories, We strengthened our position selectively, growing by double digits in, for example, baby pants and adult care, which has now come apart with baby care category and even slightly surpassed it. In North America, currently focused on baby care, we realized double-digit growth over the two years, and especially on the retailer brand side. where we have secured significant contract, including with top of the top five retailers. This success can be attributed to an increased focus on customer centricity and nurturing customer relationship. And we thereby expect this to continue. To support this growth, we invest in our operations and more in particular for our Stockdale plan in North Carolina. By the end of 2025, we will have more than tripled the number of lines of our stock day plan over the three years. Business expansion is key to sustain our top line growth. Next page, please. We can already see the impact of these three value creation drivers in our profitability, with our adjusted EBITDA improving year on year since 2022. The three year plan included investing more intensively to transform our operations to best in class. Requiring capital expenditure and restructuring spend represented about two to 3% of our revenue. This currently leave us with 48 million euros in free cashflow. This is a big improvement since last year. For 2025, we expect a similar picture as in 24, as we will continue investing in our transformation. However, our free cash flow should improve from 26 as for transformation investment will fade away while our three-year plan will be near completion. Before we move to the Q&A, I would like to highlight the three most important points of this presentation on the following page. First, We are starting the third year of our three-year transformation journey, and we are well-trapped to complete it successfully in the next 10 months. Teams have been working incredibly hard. It has been a real marathon, and I would like to thank all my teams for their hard work so far and for the hard work that they will continue doing this year. Second, I want to remember that we are growing and that our adjusted EBITDA margin increased significantly, reaching 12%. And finally, I would like to highlight the step change in our free cash flow generation this year, building a strong confidence for the future. Thank you all, and I'm looking forward to your questions.

For the Q&A, can I ask you to limit your question to two? And if time is allowed, we'll do a second round of questions. If not, IR will happily take your questions offline. Operator, over to you.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question or make a contribution on today's call, please press star 1 now on your telephone keypad and to redraw your question, hit star 2. Also, ensure your line remains unmuted locally. You will be advised when to ask your question. The first question comes from the line of Charles Edden calling from UBS. Please go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Two from me. First, the only EBITDA guidance for 25. If I take the midpoint of your guidance, so 5.5% EBITDA growth, then you're expecting about 12 million of additional EBITDA year on year. That's on a sales increase of 4%. at the midpoint or 74 million. So the incremental margin is sort of 16 and a half percent, which feels quite low, especially as I would imagine there's some additional cost savings still coming through in 2025. So are there some additional cost headwinds we need to be aware of for this year, or really is this a case of early year prudence with regards to the 25 EBITDA growth expectations? And then my second question, On your guidance for free cash flow in 25 and for it to be similar to the 48 million you did in 24, can you remind us what restructuring costs will be in the cash flow that impacts free cash flow in 25, please? I'm trying to understand what a clean free cash flow might look like, excluding any one-off restructuring charges. I think on my calculations, that's sort of 100 million plus. Is that fair? And could we expect that to be the run rate level of free cash flow of 26 onwards? Thank you.

Thank you, George, for your questions. I'm going to take the first one. I believe that here we'll take the second one. On the EBITDA growth expected in our outlook for 25, I would say that, yeah, you used the word, I appreciate that you used the word prudent, And you can imagine that under the economic, social, political circumstances that, you know, all of us, we are facing at this point in time, we believe that it has been a prudent way to continue showing our growth in our plans and in our plans as a pool in terms of delivering the growth, delivering the EBITDA growth. and delivering also our cash flow. So, yeah, we are confirming that range that we have set up in the outlook.

And Charles, for the free cash flow, the way we look at it is, first of all, we guide on, again, a solid, strong free cash flow generation in 2025. Now, as components, Gustavo explained on his slides, that for us, a normal CAPEX level would be 3.5% to 4%. And we intensified our CAPEX investments in that three-year transformation journey. So that means we continue doing that in 2025. So we will have an extra amount on CAPEX, which is fading away at the end of the year. And on the other hand, we have, of course, our restructuring costs. There I want to refer to the fact that in the P&L, we have the full accrual for it. So there will be hardly any more accrual impact in 2025. But the expense is partially spread over 2024 and 2025. That means that out of the €60 million, which we have as an accrual, for the Belgian footprint. About half has been expensed in 24. The other half will be in 25 and early 26, because then we're finalizing the program of building the center of excellence in Bruggenhout.

Okay, thanks. That's clear. So just to clarify, if you take 50 million round numbers, three cash flows for 24, there's 30 million still related to You're sort of saying you're running at a run rate of around 80 million of underlying free cash flow, and then obviously it depends where CapEx goes from that. Is that correct?

Charles, those are your numbers. We cannot confirm, nor deny any numbers that you are running. We are trying to be as much as transparent possible in terms of our outlook and also how we are running the business. So yeah, I'm good for you to do the numbers.

Steve, I thought I'd try. Thanks both. Speak to you soon. Thanks.

Yeah. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Wim Ost calling from KBCS. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you and good morning. I also would like to ask two questions then on Mexico and North America, basically. Can you maybe first elaborate a bit more in detail about your production footprint in the slides you showed that there's a more than tripling of capacity in Stokesdale by the end of 2025 over the strategic planning period? But, yeah, can you put that a bit more into numbers? My knowledge, I think there are 12 production lines in the Mexican facility and at the moment three production lines in Stokesdale. So can you maybe update on those numbers, what that will be in the end of 25 and how much capacity would then be split between the two plants? So that's the first question. And the second question is on the contract structures you have in North America. I'm not sure you can elaborate on that, but I'm going to ask the question anyway. I assume that prices are just fixed, excluding tariffs or VAT or anything like that. So I was wondering if there's any change in the regulatory environment. How does that affect the pricing structures you have in the contracts with clients? If you can elaborate on that, that would also be interesting. Thank you.

Okay, thank you, Wim. I will try to address your questions. First of all, on the footprint that we have in North America, Stockdale is growing in capacity, and as I mentioned before, we have tripled the capacity in terms of tripled the assets base by the end of this year, A little bit even more than triple, and at the same time, the output of those machines has also been increased significantly. The total output of the plant in Stockdale, it's increasing radically, I would say. That is by the plants up to 25, but those plants will be continuous in the years to come. And yes, we still have our footprint in Mexico, supplying our customers in the West Coast of US, which delivering a significant benefit in terms of supply chain, in terms of transportation for the customers and for us. So it's a unique competitive position there. Talking about the contracts that you were asking, it's a little bit in detail that we cannot disclose those contracts, as you can imagine. But I can tell you that the contracts today with the retailers are going very well. We have an excellent relationship with the customers, strategic relationships that go beyond specific contract. And we have signed also new contracts that will kick off, you know, more in the second half of the year. And we definitely will absolutely, you know, is in our plans to continue growth in North America business. The opportunities are fantastic there and nothing has changed in terms of that. And we have a strong partnership with the retailers in North America.

But if there would be an introduction of a 25% tariff on anything that is imported in the U.S. from Mexico, would that be a significant challenge to your business, in your opinion, or not?

So we all know that the tariff situation is highly fluid at this point in time, right? And we are monitoring very close all the situation and we're adjusting our actions and plans accordingly. with a lot of agility and as much as needed. But let me emphasize again that nothing has changed in terms of our growth ambitions in U.S. We will continue to support our customers' plans with sustainable innovation, with quality, and with the service levels as we are committed to do with all our customers. Nothing has changed in terms of that. And we are assessing this tariff situation and implications. And it's not just for the finished goods, but also we need to understand the whole landscape, right? As I was mentioning, the supply chain, the freight and the distribution. Tariffs is a cost for us. It could be a cost. It's not different than any other cost that we have to address and we will address. At the same time, we need to understand that today, 85% of our sales in Europe, around 15% sales are in US, and we have two plants sourced in North America. Just to give a magnitude on this. In partnership with our customers today and with partnership with suppliers, and also thanks to the hard work that our supply chain team are doing, we have developed robust plans to mitigate all these potential challenges that we could have in the cost front. All that said, I am very confident that in our EBITDA cash flow growth plans as presented in our outlook, I can confirm those. No changes on that outlook at all.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, no, no, it's clear. Thank you. Thank you.

The next question comes from the line of Usama Tariq calling from ABN Amro, OdoBHS. Please go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon, team. Thank you for the opportunity. I have just two small set of questions. Number one being, could you give slight ballpark with regards to your net debt ratio going forward what do you see by the end of 2025 i believe it's not in the guidance and secondly if you could provide a ballpark figure of how much do you expect from the brazilian and turkish sale combined if you expect any any ballpark figure in in that regard would be like net inflow if possible that would be really nice thank you yeah

I will start with the second one because that's an easy one. We mentioned it even in the press release that for Brazil and Turkey, we still expect around 100 million euro of proceeds. So that's what we can confirm. On that debt, indeed, we don't have a specific guidance on that. but you, yeah, we confirmed the solid cash flow that we foresee. From a leverage point of view, I can reconfirm what we said before. First of all, as a company, we believe that all we do below a leverage ratio of three, it's healthy as a company, but we have the intention that the level two, two to two and a half, it's a good level for the coming periods for which we have the intention to go. Okay. Thank you. Very helpful. Thank you.

The next question comes from the line of Ferdinand Deboe, calling from DeGroof. Peter Cam, please go ahead.

Yes, good morning. Ferdinand Deboe from South Peter Cam. Thank you for taking my questions. The first is on North America. Previous quarter, actually, you had to lower your guidance because of hiccups in the U.S. production. Now you have very strong volume growth delivered in North America. So does it mean that the problems are more or less behind, also given the confidence you have in the volume growth going forward? That's the first question. And then on the second one, you renewed your revolving credit facility, actually stepping up a little bit. But you also have to refinance, I think, 580 million bond in 2026. Does it mean that actually you will use part of the credit facility to refinance part of this bond refinancing?

Fernando, I will take the... Hi, hello, how are you? And I appreciate your question. I'm going to take the first one, and here it's going to take the second question in terms of the... expectations in growth in North America. Last year we grew strong double-digit growth and we have already plans and contracts that it will, you know, we continue with ourselves now with existing contracts and And then we have some new contracts that are kicking off more in the second half of the year. So we are going to show continued volume, strong double-digit volume growth in North America in baby care. So our growth aspirations in North America, I can tell you that we are very solid. Of course, there's not lack of huge work from our supply chain teams. especially, but our relationship with the customers are getting stronger quarter by quarter.

And then, Ferdinand, on the high-yield bonds, as you rightly said, we already refinanced at the end of November the revolving credit line. We will now look into the high-yield bonds. We're, as I said, working on it. We're confident on refinancing it in the course of 25. For the RCF, it was also expiring six months before the Heil Bond, so we have somewhat more time. And as to the size, we will decide at that moment what size we will take on that refinancing. But of course, with all the cash flows we generate and the proceeds, it will be likely lower than the 580 million.

Okay, I think maybe... Yeah?

Sorry. Go ahead, go ahead, Fernando.

I had one other question. In baby care, we have strong growth in North America, but in Europe, I think you are still moving away from the lower end of the market. But how far will it go? Will it continue in 2025 that you still see lower volumes in that part of the market? Or could that stabilize and at the end of the day have also higher volumes than in Europe?

So in Europe, And as well as in North America, I want to support also the answer that I gave you before. I want to emphasize in the point about innovation, sustainable innovation that we are bringing into market, and the fact that we are building very strong strategic relationship with customers. So the innovation and our pipeline is very, very strong. and helping building those relationships. In Europe, on this follow-up question that you asked, the market, baby care market, it is declining. The birth rate is declining, so it has an impact on the total market. But retailers' brands continue to grow, lower than perhaps in years before, but continues to grow. And retail brands, in many cases, are getting very, very strong as a brand in the marketplace in some countries. And we are, in our forecast, we contemplate continue to grow double digit in those trendy subcategories within the baby care as baby pants. and including also gaining new contracts in open diapers due to our strong innovation and great performance of product as they are seen by customers. So we are confident on our volume expectations also in Europe.

Okay, thanks a lot.

You're welcome. The next question comes from the line of Reg. Watson calling from ING. Please go ahead.

Afternoon. It's a little bit of a follow-up to Fernanda's question, and it's prompted by your observation that adult care is, for the first time ever, the largest revenue contributor for the business. So given your expectations for double-digit growth in North America, how do you see the revenue share evolving between adult care and baby care as we go forward?

All right. I'm not sure if I understood correctly your question, but our focus in North America today is in baby care, as mentioned before. The adult care is a very, very important category for us, and we are growing significantly in adult care. We have a very a competitive, a strategic competitive position in which we are, you know, we have strong network in two channels, a strong position in two channels, in the institutional channel and in the retailer channel. So in Europe, that gave us a very strategic good position. And we are growing double digit growth in those trendy channels. categories in lighting continents, in some categories lighting in moderating continents. So that's why the recent incontinence is growing significantly in the total core business that we have. Although, of course, that while we are growing faster in double digit growth in the total baby gear in North America, the mix of the two categories In one category, it's stronger in one region. In the other one, it's growing significantly. It's compensating. I don't see a major change towards the future in terms of the mix of the categories. I don't see also as well that in those terms, how we are doing the things, how we are approaching the markets, Currently in North America and in Europe, it's based on our plans for investments for the future. That does not mean that we will not do investments in the future in incontinence in North America when the time comes.

Okay. Okay. Thanks, Gustavo. So if we look into 2025, do you expect light for the light growth to be higher in adult care or higher in baby care in aggregates?

Based on the categories, I see no even. If we analyze this from a total core, we see even, because baby care will grow coming from North America, and adult care, as it is a very big business today in Europe, will continue to grow. It's going to compensate one and the other.

it's really helpful thank you gustavo you're welcome the next question comes from the line of marcus smith calling from auto bhf please go ahead yeah hello thanks for taking the questions and congrats to the progress in 24. um firstly on the on the asset sales um you spoke of a weaker brazilian market in in q4 um so just as a quick confirmation for me Is that in any way jeopardizing the sale process or do you still expect this will be completed in Q2? I think the period you mentioned. And in terms of the new RCF, could you disclose the margin over Euribor on the new RCF? That would be helpful. Thank you.

Okay, Markus. Two questions for me. First of all, on the Brazilian sale, This is more related now to antitrust authorities looking at it. So the fact what's happening in the Brazilian market, that there's some more competitive pressure in the market, it doesn't matter for the deal. So the deal is continuing, and we expect it to close in Q2 of this year. On the RCF, the conditions, this will be very similar than the current RCF that we have, but for a period of five years.

Good, great. Thank you very much.

Yeah, another question, ladies and gentlemen. So as a final reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one now on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from the line of Karel Zot calling from Kepler Showroom. Please go ahead.

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I have a follow-up question on Mexico and about the tariff risk. Any help here in terms of quantification would be useful, I guess, like what would be the impact in case tariffs go through? Because if I look to the business today, we know the lion's share of the things sold in the U.S. are still manufactured in the U.S. So how will you act in case there's a... 25 tariff is that raising prices or or working on efficiencies and the second question is is a follow-up one on the outlook you guide for four to seven percent ebda growth which is more or less where you see volumes probably ending up as well um i i expected a bit more operating margin expansion given the big restructuring we had in belgium with the um with big step on the fixed cost side so Are these savings still to be expected a bit later? Are they partly reinvested? Those are the questions. Thank you.

Thank you, Karel. I will take again the tariff questions and try to address it. Again, I'm going to say that this situation is, you know, that it's very fluid, right? So there are several things that are unknown yet, But for us is as any other cost that we have in our product. So with that philosophy, that is a cost, we are treating in all the ways that you have mentioned before. So we will treat a challenge in the cost as it were from a raw material. So we partner with customers. We partner with suppliers. We work hard in our operation efficiencies. But again, you're asking for an amount of money. That would be impossible to say that because it can take me hours to explain to you all the different implications and potential ways to mitigate. you have to believe that we have several ways to mitigate that impact, and that's why we are confirming our outlook on our growth and in our EBITDA growth, as it says in this announcement. We are not changing that.

Okay, so if tariffs do come, then the margins will at least be at the 12% level you generated this year.

Cargo, on your second question, of course, it's also a dynamic of different impacts on our results. But first of all, the savings we expect from the footprint restructuring, of course, they are coming. Of course, there's a timing impact, as you say. You know that at the same time, we're completely reorientating Brigham Out, which comes with a lot of work, also with some costs that will be ongoing until Q1 26th. So that means some of the savings currently, they're still a bit hidden because of all the costs we do to do that transformation. So the full saving, we'll see that more in 26 and, of course, in 27. And at the same time, you also know what we did exactly the same in 24. Part of our savings, we also reinvest. in the company. So that's also continuing in order to make the company more competitive and grow the volumes.

If I can build on that as well here, I think that to clarify to Carol, our investments in restructuring the payback as any other investment, it needs to be paid back in less than three years. And I can tell you that this one is in line with that policy that we have within us, three years payback. But then if I put together, as I mentioned in the presentation before, if we put together all our investments in efficiencies that we have done in the last couple of years and in restructuring, if I put all that money together, the cost of information net improvement that we have done it's more than the investment that we have done. So in the same period of time. So, yeah, very strong paybacks.

Okay. And I think the factory in Aiklo has been closed, right? So those fixed savings and those have been all, those are in the base by the end of 24, right?

Has been closed, yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you. The next question comes from, again, Wim Horst from CBS. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you for taking the second round of questions. Firstly, on the like-for-like growth guidance top line, 3% to 5% growth, can you elaborate or split up between volumes and pricing? I think that... you suggested that there will be further price investments. Does that mean that volume growth will be above that 3% to 5% range and then partly compensated by lower prices? Can you maybe elaborate on that? That's the first question. And the second one would be on the North American supply chain for not only you, but the entire industry. Can you give us an idea about how much of the current products that are sold in the U.S. are manufactured in the US and how much is then produced elsewhere, like Canada and Mexico. Is the bulk of the industry capacity in the US or not? That's basically the question.

Okay, Wim, you ask difficult questions, because on the guidance, we give guidance on the overall of the revenue. What I can say on the volumes, Gustavo explained on the positive dynamic we have in adult care, we have in the US, so you can assume that that continues the trend that you have seen over the last year. The same for the pricing. There's no reason to believe it will be completely different, except for the fact that with all the geopolitical uncertainties, it might be the pricing will also follow what's happening in the market from a cost point of view. So that's, we will see how it materializes in the coming months and quarters.

Very good. And regarding your, you specifically asked about our capacity in North America, if we can search, we are searching two coasts from North America. And that, I see that it's a little bit difficult to get it, but Having a West Coast sourcing and an East Coast sourcing with the stock day plan, we are having a competitive advantage in terms of freights that for this type of category is a significantly impact on the cost. Again, freights are part of the cost of the delivery. balancing those things, production tariff or not, balancing production in the different setup on the West and East is what we are doing. And also it grants, it gives supply guarantees and assurance to the customers. So that is another addition to the competitive advantage. Tariffs are gonna be one more cost for us. increase in production in Stockdale will continue. And our plans, we have strong plans to continue to grow in capacity in Stockdale. And that has not changed anything in our plans. It has been from the beginning, from the starting of the strategy, and it will continue to do like that. So I won't be able to give you exactly as you're asking. Imagine that those are very strategic data.

My question was more on the industry as a whole. If you look both private label and A-brands that are being sold in North America, is the vast majority of production serving that market in both private label and A-label brands, is that coming or produced in the U.S., or is there also a significant chunk being imported in the U.S. from either Mexico or Canada as main sources? Can you just give us a bit of a feel on that, whether you're the only one producing outside U.S. or not?

No, no, we are not the only one. And it goes to depends on the different subcategories in all this sector, in baby, feminine and adult. There are different type of products and there are different sourcing. But if you ask the question about, generally speaking, is U.S. capable to source their demand? Generally speaking, yes, majority is sourced from U.S. So, yeah, I don't think that there are going to be a lack of products in any time in the US. No.

Okay. Understood. Thank you.

You're welcome. There are no further questions, so I will hand you back to your host to conclude today's conference. Thank you.

So, thank you very much for the questions and for this time invested by you to understand our business. And as I mentioned before, we are starting our third year of our three years transformation journey. And we are ready to go for this year. It's very, very strong. Teams have been working incredibly hard and they will continue and we will continue to work very hard. And I want to remember that we're growing on our top line. and driven by volume growth this time, and we are expecting the same for 2025. Our adjusted EBITDA margin increased significantly, reaching 12% in 2024, and we have made a significant step change in our free cash flow generation, which builds a strong confidence on all of us for the future. So thank you very much, and talk soon.

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